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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #650 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 22:37:59 »
Any sort of definite list of what we should be expecting in the package?
Case
LEDs
Switches (if purchased from MOZ)
Diodes
PCB

That's all I can get off the top of my head.


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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #651 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 22:42:36 »
Any sort of definite list of what we should be expecting in the package?
Case
LEDs
Switches (if purchased from MOZ)
Diodes
PCB

That's all I can get off the top of my head.


love

Yes it comes with love, but also a few other important things.  :p
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From left to right, top to bottom.
-Bag of 22 blue switches
-Bag of resistors and capacitors, each individually bagged and labeled with their part number
-Bag of other parts including diodes, usb connector, microcontroller, button, and crystal
-Bag of 5 brass standoffs
-Bag of 4 LEDs
-PCB wrapped in foam
(Not pictured) Acrylic case if Moz didn't send yours directly
Does it come with an instruction manual for construction? :P
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #652 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:02:23 »
Does it come with an instruction manual for construction? :P

Nope, it's pretty self explanatory. Each component has a label. For example, R4 is resistor 4. On the PCB, there will be a spot that is labeled R4. Solder the resistor in the outline and you're all good! This is how it works for all the components. Just remember to start with the smallest components then work your way up.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #653 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:22:22 »
Does it come with an instruction manual for construction? :P

Nope, it's pretty self explanatory. Each component has a label. For example, R4 is resistor 4. On the PCB, there will be a spot that is labeled R4. Solder the resistor in the outline and you're all good! This is how it works for all the components. Just remember to start with the smallest components then work your way up.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #654 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 05:11:27 »
Can't wait for a GB. Will it be complete kits only or will the cases be sold separately (acrylic assembly only, sans the pcb etc.)?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #655 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 06:20:27 »
Can't wait for a GB. Will it be complete kits only or will the cases be sold separately (acrylic assembly only, sans the pcb etc.)?

There will probably be a case option available to order when the group buy begins.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #656 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 19:13:09 »
Got mine today. IT'S PURPLE!!! Pictures can be found here.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #657 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 20:42:15 »
Got mine today. IT'S PURPLE!!! Pictures can be found here.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #658 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 23:33:06 »
got my package today. looking forward to building it this weekend when I have the time. MOZ, this case is beautiful. I am truly impressed. And TFR, I love your ingenious packaging skills. You really went above and beyond in putting this kit together. Pics when I build it, I promise

TFR, where did you get those rubber feet? nevermind, I see your answer above. I am thinking this will be the way I want to go.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #659 on: Fri, 08 November 2013, 00:00:48 »
Mine is still somewhere in "THE WOODLANDS" according to Canada post...
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #660 on: Fri, 08 November 2013, 05:58:44 »
That was the price we figured out just to get the parts for the 10 prototype testers. Not to mention, in reality, the amount spent was far higher than the anticipated and TFR actually ended up losing quite a lot of money. The estimated cost is subject to change and in a GB setting it depends wildly on the amount of interest and the discount achieved through bulk ordering.

Ya, we will see what the pricing works out to.  I think it will remain reasonable and it is going to be kick ass, so can't wait...  :)
Even for upwards of $60 I believe it would be a fair price, considering what the final product will be able to do.

$60 without switches, stabs, and caps? So just the PCB+case?
I want one!!!
Get my money, please, pleaseeeEEE!!!
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #661 on: Fri, 08 November 2013, 13:44:56 »
I want one!!!
Get my money, please, pleaseeeEEE!!!

Hopefully soon, just getting this initial prototype tested.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #662 on: Fri, 08 November 2013, 19:37:25 »
Can't wait for the group buy to start. Can someone PM me when it does?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #663 on: Fri, 08 November 2013, 22:04:35 »
Can't wait for the group buy to start. Can someone PM me when it does?

No.  Just put a notification on the group buys section and you will get an email for all new group buys.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #664 on: Fri, 08 November 2013, 22:54:58 »
No actual soldering done or anything yet, but I played with the case a bit. Sneak peek:

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #665 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 00:41:25 »
No actual soldering done or anything yet, but I played with the case a bit. Sneak peek:

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Did you try using the flathead screws too?
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #666 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 08:58:22 »
Yes, but I couldn't make a couple of the holes line up because the engraving was a little off. On one hole the engraving wasn't deep enough to allow both screws to grab the brass standoff. I have a plan to open those holes up a bit until the flat head screws fit flush but this setup will do for now. I like it if I can figure out a good way to keep it from sliding.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #667 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 09:08:23 »
The sliding is one other reason, I like the flathead setup since it allows to use generic, even smaller rubber feet.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #668 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 12:02:06 »
Yes, but I couldn't make a couple of the holes line up because the engraving was a little off. On one hole the engraving wasn't deep enough to allow both screws to grab the brass standoff. I have a plan to open those holes up a bit until the flat head screws fit flush but this setup will do for now. I like it if I can figure out a good way to keep it from sliding.

They are long enough. You just have to position the brass standoff evenly between the three middle layers. Then do not tighten the top screw, tighten the bottom screws.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #669 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 14:51:02 »
They are long enough. You just have to position the brass standoff evenly between the three middle layers. Then do not tighten the top screw, tighten the bottom screws.

I understand what you're saying, but what I was saying is that on just one of the holes on my case, the engraving on one hole is off just enough so that it makes this difficult. It's not a problem with the screw. I am going to cleanup the engraved countersink holes and it will not be a problem at all. I do so love the screw-standoff-screw design
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #670 on: Sat, 09 November 2013, 22:17:02 »
I understand what you're saying, but what I was saying is that on just one of the holes on my case, the engraving on one hole is off just enough so that it makes this difficult. It's not a problem with the screw. I am going to cleanup the engraved countersink holes and it will not be a problem at all. I do so love the screw-standoff-screw design

Perfect! Make sure to post pics when you're done.  ;)
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #671 on: Sun, 10 November 2013, 12:59:19 »
Sooo, can't see the silkscreen here on this revision of the board, so I labeled C4 and R5 in this pic...

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #672 on: Sun, 10 November 2013, 13:02:15 »
regack, since you have seen quality of seeedstudio, PCBWing and OSHPark, what are your views on them and comparisons.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #673 on: Sun, 10 November 2013, 14:12:04 »
regack, since you have seen quality of seeedstudio, PCBWing and OSHPark, what are your views on them and comparisons.

I think PCBwing would be my preferred way to go based on what I've seen.  That said, I really like the boards from OSHPark (dat purple & gold), but you don't have any customization options and you probably wouldn't want to order large quantities from there.  I would like to find out who they use to get their panels made.   Seeeeedstudio seems to be very similar to Gold Phoenix.    I should note, I'm no kind of expert on this, but there is a Holiday Inn Express a few miles from here, and I rode past it the other day... :D

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #674 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 09:40:51 »
I should note, I'm no kind of expert on this, but there is a Holiday Inn Express a few miles from here, and I rode past it the other day... :D


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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #675 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:56:07 »
Will this be completely programmable? I'd like the pad for macro commands in some programs of mine.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #676 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:59:13 »
Yes, it will be.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #677 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 12:11:56 »
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #679 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:08:57 »
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Edit: Just tried fitting a cap sideways. SP DCS caps fit since I think the cross on the bottom of them is symmetrical. My OEM filco caps don't fit rotated though, and neither do the OEM profile keys from my WASD tester. So it might be possible with the right caps.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #680 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:10:26 »
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #681 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:14:44 »
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.

Just edited my post above with what I just tested, to repeat it here:

Edit: Just tried fitting a cap sideways. SP DCS caps fit since I think the cross on the bottom of them is symmetrical. My OEM filco caps don't fit rotated though, and neither do the OEM profile keys from my WASD tester. So it might be possible with the right caps.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #682 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:15:07 »
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.

chook is correct, the "+" mounting's vertical hands are thinner than the horizontal hands. However, when forced on, you can mount the keycaps at 90 degress rotation, damagign the keycaps stem or slider or both.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #683 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:19:04 »
To quote Photekq from the CAD resources thread:

Measurement for a stem on a MX keycap. I used this for my latest brass cap and it fit very well. You could maybe make it a little smaller, and I would definitely recommend making it smaller if using plastic/acrylic.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #684 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:19:40 »
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Are you sure? One time i put on blank spherical caps the wrong way, and it still worked.

chook is correct, the "+" mounting's vertical hands are thinner than the horizontal hands. However, when forced on, you can mount the keycaps at 90 degress rotation, damagign the keycaps stem or slider or both.

yes, except the DCS caps I just put on sideways didn't require any forcing, they just went on normally.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #685 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:40:47 »
It depends on the tolerance and how the hollow + shape is modeled on the cap.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #686 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:42:01 »
A 4x6 macro pad would be really cool to use in 'portrait' configuration above the main keyboard :)

Cherry sliders aren't symmetrical though so keycaps won't fit on them rotated 90 degrees.

Edit: Just tried fitting a cap sideways. SP DCS caps fit since I think the cross on the bottom of them is symmetrical. My OEM filco caps don't fit rotated though, and neither do the OEM profile keys from my WASD tester. So it might be possible with the right caps.

I think you could probably use Row 3 SA keys as well (like the current Round 5 GB), but I am not positive about that...

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #687 on: Mon, 11 November 2013, 20:51:08 »
must   have   two

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #688 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 11:45:33 »
So with the prototype A, the pads for the diodes are sized incorrectly.  SOD-323 or SOD-523 would fit, but SOD-123 is too big... you can glob on a bunch of solder, but it's terribly ugly. 

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #689 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 12:15:15 »
Can you post a picture?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #690 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 13:45:52 »
So with the prototype A, the pads for the diodes are sized incorrectly.  SOD-323 or SOD-523 would fit, but SOD-123 is too big... you can glob on a bunch of solder, but it's terribly ugly.

What are you going for?  I size mine rather large as well. It allows you to fit SOD-123 (mostly) but it also allows 1206 and 1008 SMD parts to fit, which is nice.  I personally prefer those :)
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #691 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:06:01 »
So with the prototype A, the pads for the diodes are sized incorrectly.  SOD-323 or SOD-523 would fit, but SOD-123 is too big... you can glob on a bunch of solder, but it's terribly ugly.

What are you going for?  I size mine rather large as well. It allows you to fit SOD-123 (mostly) but it also allows 1206 and 1008 SMD parts to fit, which is nice.  I personally prefer those :)

Should have been SOD-123, price is nice on those as well vs the others... basically I placed the wrong footprint :'(

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #692 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:11:49 »
I wouldn't blame you, I should have ordered the right diodes based on the current footprints. Did you complete building your GHpad regack?
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #693 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:43:11 »
I would blame you, I should have ordered the right diodes based on the current footprints. Did you complete building your GHpad regack?

Not entirely, enough to get FLIP to work, then it occurred to me that I need some kind of firmware

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #694 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:51:46 »
IIRC the latest version of qaz's epsilon tool supports mapping for GHPad.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #695 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 15:51:45 »
IIRC the latest version of qaz's epsilon tool supports mapping for GHPad.

Yes, be the first to test and give me feedback :)

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #696 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 15:55:29 »
IIRC the latest version of qaz's epsilon tool supports mapping for GHPad.

I think it's a different revision of the GHpad, which was from... a while ago?  Either way, it's a FANTASTIC application/tool!  I was wading through TMK trying to figure out what the heck I'm doing.

So I tried the GHpad one and got some wacky results, so I loaded up the GH60 profile because I know there are a lot of things in common with that.

My test keys worked fine (though I really was just shorting with wire) so I'll finish it up, and then continue trying to muddle my way through TMK.   Or maybe metalliqaz can add a profile for this one (hint hint :D) because I'd much rather use that fancy application... which is really FANTASTIC, if I hadn't mentioned that before...

R1 = PD0
R2 = PD1
R3 = PD2
R4 = PD3
R5 = PD4
R6 = PD5
C1=PF0
C2=PF1
C3=PE6
C4=PC7
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FNLED2=PF6
FNLED3=PF5

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #697 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 16:28:18 »
I only looked at the 6x4 design. The prelim board might be different.  Like I said I didn't test it yet but I'll take another look tonight.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #698 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:59:56 »
I think I found the issue, although I didn't really look into it to deep.  I fired off a quick test build (attached).  See if it works, pretty please? :)
Contains this simple test map:


Offline dragonxx21

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #699 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 18:13:22 »
Just double checking, but the plate has the tabs for allowing the switch top to come off, right?
Keyboards Owned:

Realforce Topre 91 Key JIS Profile - Main
CM Quickfire Rapid Blue Switches
IBM Model M in Industrial Shell