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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #350 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 04:46:04 »
How does a man get in on this?

Wait for regack to finish the universal layout PCB, we might host another protoype for that PCB and design.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #351 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 06:56:58 »
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?

For the purple LEDs, they are $0.58 each so $2.32 for a set of 4. The green LEDs are $0.36 each so $1.44 for a set of 4.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #353 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:12:25 »
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?

For the purple LEDs, they are $0.58 each so $2.32 for a set of 4. The green LEDs are $0.36 each so $1.44 for a set of 4.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-2x3x4mm-Purple-400-405nm-Water-Clear-LED-Lamp-With-Free-Resistor-234PL-amy-/321089669408?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac26f8920

$0.40 each after shipping for purple.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-2x3x4mm-Rectangle-Green-Water-Clear-LED-Light-Leds-/320999090387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abd0968d3

$0.055 each for green.

But that assumes that you want him to buy a certain quantity (10 or 100), and sell them at per unit cost. That's fine if he can sell or use the rest, but if not, he's out of pocket. Vendors are normally about making money, not losing it. :)
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #354 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:41:54 »
But that assumes that you want him to buy a certain quantity (10 or 100), and sell them at per unit cost. That's fine if he can sell or use the rest, but if not, he's out of pocket. Vendors are normally about making money, not losing it. :)

I was just posting a link for cheaper LEDs... I wasn't trying to imply anything. I didn't know if it would help anyone or not, I just thought I'd show whoever might be interested.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #355 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:46:24 »
Well I appreciated it pixel5 ;-)

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #356 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:47:36 »
Did you ever get the quote for the LEDs?

For the purple LEDs, they are $0.58 each so $2.32 for a set of 4. The green LEDs are $0.36 each so $1.44 for a set of 4.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-2x3x4mm-Purple-400-405nm-Water-Clear-LED-Lamp-With-Free-Resistor-234PL-amy-/321089669408?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ac26f8920

$0.40 each after shipping for purple.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-2x3x4mm-Rectangle-Green-Water-Clear-LED-Light-Leds-/320999090387?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abd0968d3

$0.055 each for green.

But that assumes that you want him to buy a certain quantity (10 or 100), and sell them at per unit cost. That's fine if he can sell or use the rest, but if not, he's out of pocket. Vendors are normally about making money, not losing it. :)

Exactly. Only 3 people wanted purple LEDs and 1 person wanted green LEDs. I will be purchasing 4 green LEDs along with the Digikey order here. Since Digikey is so expensive for purple LEDs, I will be purchasing 12 purple LEDs from Ebay here. The problem is I am purchasing small amounts so quantity and shipping is a problem.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #357 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 10:57:01 »
Well, I always say you can't have too many LED's lying around.  :p
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #358 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:01:38 »
if you buy the purple from the link pixel5 posted, you can get 20 purple in the more desirable 2x3x4 size for only about $0.50 more after combined shipping for two 10-packs. If you do this, I will buy the remaining 8 leds from you as well.

Edit: Or, I will buy them and have them shipped to you, then you can give the other two people their LEDs (free) and send me the rest. How does that sound?
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #359 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:02:52 »
I have green 2x3x4 I can send you TFR for free.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #360 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:18:10 »
I have green 2x3x4 I can send you TFR for free.

There we go! I like this option much better.  :p
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #361 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 11:20:01 »
I have green 2x3x4 I can send you TFR for free.

There we go! I like this option much better.  :p

And I will buy the purple from china and have it shipped to you if you would like.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #362 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 12:21:51 »
Full 'breakaway' version updated...

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #363 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 12:29:43 »
Woohoo!


regack, can this board utilize the expansion capability of the GH60, so:
1. No separate USB connector is required
2. No controller is required.


If I remember correctly, only 20 switches could be connected? Can we use I/O expander to increase this number or something similar? My electronic knowledge is highly limited as evident.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #364 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 13:28:50 »
Woohoo!


regack, can this board utilize the expansion capability of the GH60, so:
1. No separate USB connector is required
2. No controller is required.


If I remember correctly, only 20 switches could be connected? Can we use I/O expander to increase this number or something similar? My electronic knowledge is highly limited as evident.

Ahh, uhh, you know, I hadn't really thought of that.  I'll have to evaluate how it would be connected.  Honestly, I haven't really paid much attention to how the expansion pads on the GH60 are supposed to function.  Is that info buried in the thread somewhere?  Otherwise I can look at the schematic again and figure out what it's doing.

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I looked at the GH60, and I see only 4 IO pins on the expansion, which isn't going to net 20 keys.   I must be missing something, but putting an IO expander on the keypad, that's an idea.   There's an SOIC package for the MCP23018 that might fit somewhere, I'll look at it.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #365 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 13:55:44 »
Woohoo!


regack, can this board utilize the expansion capability of the GH60, so:
1. No separate USB connector is required
2. No controller is required.


If I remember correctly, only 20 switches could be connected? Can we use I/O expander to increase this number or something similar? My electronic knowledge is highly limited as evident.

Ahh, uhh, you know, I hadn't really thought of that.  I'll have to evaluate how it would be connected.  Honestly, I haven't really paid much attention to how the expansion pads on the GH60 are supposed to function.  Is that info buried in the thread somewhere?  Otherwise I can look at the schematic again and figure out what it's doing.

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I looked at the GH60, and I see only 4 IO pins on the expansion, which isn't going to net 20 keys.   I must be missing something, but putting an IO expander on the keypad, that's an idea.   There's an SOIC package for the MCP23018 that might fit somewhere, I'll look at it.

I think its an extension of the row-column matrix at the top between the number switches on the GH60. Allowing the numpad to use the controller on the GH60 rather than its own.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #366 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 14:01:48 »

I looked at the GH60, and I see only 4 IO pins on the expansion, which isn't going to net 20 keys.   I must be missing something, but putting an IO expander on the keypad, that's an idea.   There's an SOIC package for the MCP23018 that might fit somewhere, I'll look at it.
I think its an extension of the row-column matrix at the top between the number switches on the GH60. Allowing the numpad to use the controller on the GH60 rather than its own.
Oh, I see that now, I missed those pins.  The rows are brought out to P11-15.  The the additional 4 columns would be the other 4 IO pins, although those other IO pins are all driving LEDs.  I'm not sure how that works exactly.




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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #367 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 14:23:59 »
I am a PCB noob, but I think I read somewhere that komar said you have to choose between using the extra I/O pins to drive leds or add more switches but that you cannot do both

Edit: I think that is what he is saying in this post
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #368 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 15:08:07 »
I am a PCB noob, but I think I read somewhere that komar said you have to choose between using the extra I/O pins to drive leds or add more switches but that you cannot do both

Edit: I think that is what he is saying in this post

That would make sense and would solve the problems I was having in my head.    On that note, I've just made more work for myself as I plan around the serial expander idea in the keypad and SmallFry 40% board.


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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #369 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 15:49:00 »
I am a PCB noob, but I think I read somewhere that komar said you have to choose between using the extra I/O pins to drive leds or add more switches but that you cannot do both

Edit: I think that is what he is saying in this post

That would make sense and would solve the problems I was having in my head.    On that note, I've just made more work for myself as I plan around the serial expander idea in the keypad and SmallFry 40% board.

Essentially you are saying we can have:
GH60 + Keypad (In 5/6 row)
40% + Keypad (In 5/6 row)
Keypad only (In 5/6 row)

And the keypad itself can have *I can't permute this, there are way too many options, have a look at the image I posted some pages ago* layouts.

Wow!

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #370 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:12:37 »
I have been sitting here looking at my keyboard imagining all the different possibilities. You could also use the keypad for a future 75% board add on and utilize all 6 rows.

I also just realized, if the four columns of the keypad used all four extra I/O spots on the gh60, then you can't also control the numlock LED can you?
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #371 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:30:05 »
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #372 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:39:52 »
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.

Agreed, and we need a keycap set for the SmallFry board.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #373 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 16:42:53 »
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.

Agreed, and we need a keycap set for the SmallFry board.

Other than 'nathan's set'?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #374 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 17:12:52 »
I love that the renders are purple. We need to standardize on purple PCB soldermask for this and the SmallFry 40% keyboard.

Agreed, and we need a keycap set for the SmallFry board.

Other than 'nathan's set'?

Will it fit the SmallFry board, as long as the caps are correct, no, we don't need it. I don't know how far whoever is handling the Nathan set is with making it real.

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« Reply #375 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:50:45 »
What is Nathan's set?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #377 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:55:29 »
What is Nathan's set?

It is going to be the first full set produced by SP with the new Cherry replica font legends. The legends will be orange polycarbonate on white. It would be awesome if the GB organizers would include keycaps designed to fit the SmallFry keyboard and possibly this keypad.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #378 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 22:56:14 »
Oh that's still going? cool.  I'll be there.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #379 on: Tue, 24 September 2013, 23:40:23 »
It the Nathan set really happening, or is the progress just so slow it seems dorment?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #380 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 00:14:09 »
What is Nathan's set?

It is going to be the first full set produced by SP with the new Cherry replica font legends. The legends will be orange polycarbonate on white. It would be awesome if the GB organizers would include keycaps designed to fit the SmallFry keyboard and possibly this keypad.

I really hope this would he possible to do. There would only have to be a extra caps included.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #381 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 13:34:25 »
It the Nathan set really happening, or is the progress just so slow it seems dorment?

It's still ongoing. Last I heard is that they were editing a few of the remaining legends.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #382 on: Wed, 25 September 2013, 13:42:31 »
It the Nathan set really happening, or is the progress just so slow it seems dorment?

It's still ongoing. Last I heard is that they were editing a few of the remaining legends.

I read that in the Toxic GB too.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #383 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 23:21:51 »
PCBs are finished and on the way from Seeedstudio! I will begin invoicing tomorrow.
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« Reply #384 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 23:25:04 »
That was quick!

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« Reply #385 on: Thu, 26 September 2013, 23:36:26 »
That was quick!

I know right? At the price paid I expected much slower service. Shipping might take awhile though. I'll make sure to let you know when they arrive.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #386 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 02:12:44 »
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« Reply #388 on: Sun, 29 September 2013, 11:31:19 »
Thank you! Looking forward to putting it all together. =)

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #390 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:27:53 »
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
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« Reply #391 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:31:02 »
Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
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That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #392 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:38:05 »
Love the matching cable

Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
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That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

Since this is the beta run, and we only have 10 total orders, we were thinking to do only one color scheme. Translucent blue top and bottom, milky (translucent) white middle portion.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #393 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:39:17 »
That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

I have no idea. Hopefully Moz can chime in and answer your question.

EDIT: That was fast Moz  :))
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #394 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:41:34 »
Love the matching cable

Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
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That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

Since this is the beta run, and we only have 10 total orders, we were thinking to do only one color scheme. Translucent blue top and bottom, milky (translucent) white middle portion.

Sounds good to me.
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« Reply #395 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:44:21 »
Hooray, that's the color scheme I wanted :D.
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« Reply #396 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:48:52 »
Love the matching cable

Received the case in the mail today! I feel there are a few small things that need to be changed but overall it looks great.
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That is freaking awesome!!!!

Do we get to pick the color of these when the rest ship out or how does that work?

Since this is the beta run, and we only have 10 total orders, we were thinking to do only one color scheme. Translucent blue top and bottom, milky (translucent) white middle portion.

Oh ok. I'll send you a PM moz!

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #397 on: Mon, 30 September 2013, 17:11:56 »
AH darn, I was hoping for a purple case (to match my cable) or maybe black (to match my QFR). Any way this would be possible?
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #398 on: Tue, 01 October 2013, 20:11:43 »
If possible.. I'd prefer a red-white case like Raccoon's :)

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #399 on: Tue, 01 October 2013, 20:28:29 »
I don't care what color the prototype case is, I just want it NAO! :))
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