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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #250 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:55:23 »
$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.

Just to break down the prices:

Price of case: $7.50 (Minor Price drop)
Bolts/Nuts: $2.00
Shipping: $2.5 (Since I will now bulk ship to Flying Racoon)
My Fees: $0.00 (I thought since it is a prototype, it isn't fair to ask for my fees since everyone is taking a minor risk)
Total: 12
After Paypal Fees: $12.77

Might as well call it $13 ;)

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #251 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:59:26 »
$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.

Just to break down the prices:

Price of case: $7.50 (Minor Price drop)
Bolts/Nuts: $2.00
Shipping: $2.5 (Since I will now bulk ship to Flying Racoon)
My Fees: $0.00 (I thought since it is a prototype, it isn't fair to ask for my fees since everyone is taking a minor risk)
Total: 12
After Paypal Fees: $12.77

Might as well call it $13 ;)

And $6 for the PCB. So we are up to $19 not including shipping or parts. Not bad!
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #252 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:01:49 »
$11 for upto 4, $8 thereafter. Remember, I still have to add cost of bolts and nuts, PayPal and shipping fees, along with compensation for my time, total comes out to be $20 for less than 4 and $17.5 for more than that.

Just to break down the prices:

Price of case: $7.50 (Minor Price drop)
Bolts/Nuts: $2.00
Shipping: $2.5 (Since I will now bulk ship to Flying Racoon)
My Fees: $0.00 (I thought since it is a prototype, it isn't fair to ask for my fees since everyone is taking a minor risk)
Total: 12
After Paypal Fees: $12.77

Might as well call it $13 ;)

And $6 for the PCB. So we are up to $19 not including shipping or parts. Not bad!

Shipping from you to the rest. ;)

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #253 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:05:04 »
And the parts list is on Github. If anyone wants to help me deceiver it and possible make a Mouser parts list, that would be  very helpful.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #254 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:31:16 »
Got the proto for TFR cut today and nuts/bolts packed as well.

The case with the feet:
36013-0 36015-1 36017-2

The case without the feet:
36019-3 36021-4 36025-5

I love these dome nuts:
36023-6

The layers:
36027-7

All nuts/bolts packed:
36029-8

Contents of each pack:
36031-9
7 M3 dome nuts
7 M3x16mm socket hex bolts
5 M3x25mm socket hex bolts
So you can choose to have the feet or not and 2 extras of each, so just incase the threads go bad on any of them.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #255 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:35:37 »
^^ does having those domed nuts as feet make it slide really easy?

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #256 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:35:48 »
Got the proto for TFR cut today and nuts/bolts packed as well.

The case with the feet:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

The case without the feet:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

I love these dome nuts:
(Attachment Link)

The layers:
(Attachment Link)

All nuts/bolts packed:
(Attachment Link)

Contents of each pack:
(Attachment Link)
7 M3 dome nuts
7 M3x16mm socket hex bolts
5 M3x25mm socket hex bolts
So you can choose to have the feet or not and 2 extras of each, so just incase the threads go bad on any of them.

The case kit:
(Attachment Link)

Oh snap, this looks awesome! Thanks for all the pics
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #257 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:42:47 »
^^ does having those domed nuts as feet make it slide really easy?

Depends on the table top surface. On a smooth one I suppose it would, I use a giant razer mousepad on my table, so I couldn't tell.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #258 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 17:19:41 »
Wow that price is awesome. When these go to production, or if you need someone to test them out I'm in for at least one now or later.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #259 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 17:26:38 »
Wow, so we're making this sub $30 which is really awesome.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #260 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:07:25 »
Wow, so we're making this sub $30 which is really awesome.

Maybe. :)

The ATmega32U4 alone is about $8.
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« Reply #261 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:09:33 »
Dang, now I really wish I was in on this first test group!
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #262 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:13:32 »
Wow, so we're making this sub $30 which is really awesome.

Maybe. :)

The ATmega32U4 alone is about $8.

Yeah the controller is $6 and the other parts could be up to $15. So we are looking at $6 PCB + $13 case + $6 controller + $15 parts + $5 shipping. So ~$45. Of course that is just an estimate, it could be cheaper.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #263 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:19:07 »
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #264 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:21:49 »
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.

Here is what I have so far from Digikey. Not sure if it's 100% correct though.

I couldn't find or need clarification on DC1, DF2, DF3, R4, RF1, RF2, RF3, S0, and X1
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #265 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:03:26 »
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.

Here is what I have so far from Digikey. Not sure if it's 100% correct though.
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I couldn't find or need clarification on DC1, DF2, DF3, R4, RF1, RF2, RF3, S0, and X1

R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine
X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014
S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #266 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:19:14 »
I will try to compile a parts list for you tonight. I'm not 100% sure you can get all the parts from Mouser, but I'll see what they have.

Here is what I have so far from Digikey. Not sure if it's 100% correct though.
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I couldn't find or need clarification on DC1, DF2, DF3, R4, RF1, RF2, RF3, S0, and X1

R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine
X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014
S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206

Looks like those should work.

TFR, the only thing on your list I'm not sure of is the diodes. Are those size 0805?
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #267 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:58:12 »
R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine
X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014
S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206

I have a bunch of 100ohm resistors and some red LEDs, will that work? I have enough for all 10 PCBs. I'm not certain on the crystal, regack will have to confirm that. I'm pretty sure that button wouldn't work though, the footprint isn't the right size. Also, they're expensive, something cheaper should work the same.

Looks like those should work.

TFR, the only thing on your list I'm not sure of is the diodes. Are those size 0805?

I don't know to be honest, there were so many options! Here is the diode I used. Digikey link
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #268 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:12:36 »
UPDATE
MOZ is willing to include cheap MX Blue switches from a TVS Gold for people who got in on the first 10 PCBs. They are ~$0.35 each so $7.70 for a set of switches. Post here if you are interested!
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #269 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:15:20 »
I have a bunch of 100ohm resistors and some red LEDs, will that work? I have enough for all 10 PCBs. I'm not certain on the crystal, regack will have to confirm that. I'm pretty sure that button wouldn't work though, the footprint isn't the right size. Also, they're expensive, something cheaper should work the same.
What is the power rating on the LEDs? Footprint is the correct size, I just double-checked. Agreed on the pricing.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #270 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:17:27 »
Wow.. This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks MOZ! Please put me down for some blues. =D

UPDATE
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #271 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:22:54 »
What is the power rating on the LEDs? Footprint is the correct size, I just double-checked. Agreed on the pricing.

No idea, but they are from my QF TK.

Wow.. This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks MOZ! Please put me down for some blues. =D

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #272 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:25:06 »
Hmm, I don't think the red would go nice on the blue board, white is best, and LEDs are cheap anyway.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #273 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:30:39 »
Hmm, I don't think the red would go nice on the blue board, white is best, and LEDs are cheap anyway.

In for blue switches:
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- olaph

Well yes, we could order white too. Is there other colors anyone would like?
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #274 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:41:04 »
I'm in for some switches, please.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #275 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:48:45 »
I feel we'll be reaching 10 orders on the switches too, damn you raccoon :P

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« Reply #276 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:03:46 »
I feel we'll be reaching 10 orders on the switches too, damn you raccoon :P
Maybe not.. I'm considering it. I have over 100 MX Blue switches laying around... not sure if I need them lol.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #277 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:07:19 »
Maybe not.. I'm considering it. I have over 100 MX Blue switches laying around... not sure if I need them lol.

It's all good! I personally will be going with white switches.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #278 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:32:14 »
I've already got switches and LEDs

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #279 on: Thu, 19 September 2013, 22:26:06 »
I don't need switches either. Dudes, this is all very cool. Can't believe how fast you put it all together.

Edit: MOZ, on second thought, I will take some switches if you don't mind. I just realized I had already made plans for the switches I have already. You can add me to the switches list.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #280 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 00:49:02 »
I'm going to put some black springs from a tg3 into the blues. =D

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #281 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 09:54:36 »
Maybe not.. I'm considering it. I have over 100 MX Blue switches laying around... not sure if I need them lol.

It's all good! I personally will be going with white switches.

What colour LEDs are you ordering for the set? I might be thinking of picking up my own LEDs as I might want a different colour.

Hmm, I don't think the red would go nice on the blue board, white is best, and LEDs are cheap anyway.

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I'll be in for a set of blues as well.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #282 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 10:23:14 »
I've put you down for switches. I should get them by tomorrow.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #283 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 11:01:50 »
I was looking and don't see yet where to order these! Praying I am not missing this yet. I am interested in 6 of them cases and all. Don't forget me!  :eek:
Or am I early and this is just the test group? Sorry RL has been busy! :-[
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« Reply #284 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 11:04:12 »
I was looking and don't see yet where to order these! Praying I am not missing this yet. I am interested in 6 of them cases and all. Don't forget me!  :eek:
Or am I early and this is just the test group? Sorry RL has been busy! :-[
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« Reply #285 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 11:15:43 »
Ok cool. I'll sit down and shut up then. :) watching as intently as possible - really want this for my GH60s. :D
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #286 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:43:57 »
R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 - Resistance for LEDs - R4, RF1, RF2, RF3
DC1, DF2, DF3 - Any ~1.8V LED around 3mm would be fine

X1 - This I think? Someone can confirm: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/7M-16.000MAAJ-T/887-1125-1-ND/2119014

S0: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADTSMW69NVTR/679-2392-6-ND/2344206

I was looking for that ASX3F crystal and found komar's response earlier this year:


EDIT: Where did you source your ASX3F?  I'm having issues finding a supplier.
Unfortunately in a local shop.
Please try to find anything of similar size and footprint.
I'm attaching the datasheet: (Attachment Link) .

EDIT: I think these should be fine.

There was a datasheet in there to compare, and so...

X1: Basically, it looks like MOZ has found something that will work just fine.  The footprint is essentially the same (maybe .02mm difference)

S0: I used an ADTSJW65RV from mouser on a differnt board, the footprint isn't exact, but it's close enough.  Looking at footprint in the spec sheet for the one MOZ found should work fine, it fits within the pad locations.


DC1, DF1, DF2, DF3 are all 3mm LEDs, preferably with no lip.  I have quite a few varieties at home already, I dunno, this is kind of up to each person...
R4, RF1, RF2, RF3 are all through-hole resistors that need to be sized based on the LEDs.

If you've got 1mA, 1.8v LEDs, you'll want like a .25w 330Ohm resistors...

This calculator is a great resource: http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #287 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:50:16 »
Good, so we are on track as far as components are concerned. I think we can omit the resistors and LEDs, since it is a personal choice and completely optional. I've put you up for those switches regack.

If I understand correctly, from your post on the 40% threads, we are testing both this and that together? So we can essentially double our order (Based on how many protos we do for the 40%), and I want , in, please!

Do we need a case for that, if yes, I can without a doubt help, I actually do have a case ready, the "Pencil Case", I got the magnets (For keeping KB and cover attached while in transit) already, they arrived a couple of days back.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #288 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 13:54:05 »
Can someone confirm if we can use this switch: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MJTPSMWBTR/679-2461-1-ND/2344177

Should save each one a dollar.

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #289 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 14:32:27 »
Can someone confirm if we can use this switch: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MJTPSMWBTR/679-2461-1-ND/2344177

Should save each one a dollar.

It looks ok.  As long as the leads fit on the PCB pads - which are: length 6-12mm / width 3-5mm

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #290 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 14:43:47 »
So where do the four LEDs go on this prototype? I am assuming one will be for numlock, but I'm unsure about the other three...?

I see that you have four LEDs at the top for you universal version... I just wondered where they go specifically on this first version that TFR has already ordered. Thanks
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #291 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 14:59:57 »
So where do the four LEDs go on this prototype? I am assuming one will be for numlock, but I'm unsure about the other three...?

I see that you have four LEDs at the top for you universal version... I just wondered where they go specifically on this first version that TFR has already ordered. Thanks

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #292 on: Fri, 20 September 2013, 15:07:48 »
... and I just noticed this morning that I have three of the through-hole resistors for the LEDs on the top of the board instead of the bottom... at least I don't have to move any of the traces to fix that.  The one pin on switch 5 and 21 is kind of hosed...    :'(

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #293 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:03:50 »
Does someone want to double check the parts list?

Shipping is $5.32 so total cost is $10.22 a set. This does not include diodes or LEDs. If you don't have them already, I have plenty of red LEDs and various resistors.

Rough Cost Estimate
$6 - PCB
$13 - case
$10.22 - parts
$5 - shipping
= $35 estimated total
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #294 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:10:11 »
Does someone want to double check the parts list?
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Shipping is $5.32 so total cost is $10.22 a set. This does not include diodes or LEDs. If you don't have them already, I have plenty of red LEDs and various resistors.
I'd probably need the diodes as I don't have a ready supply of electronics components. What size LEDs would you need? I might need to look around to see if I can find purple LEDs...
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #295 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:12:35 »
I'd probably need the diodes as I don't have a ready supply of electronics components. What size LEDs would you need? I might need to look around to see if I can find purple LEDs...

You would need 3mm round LEDs or 2x3x4mm square LEDs.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #296 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:16:58 »
Does someone want to double check the parts list?
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Shipping is $5.32 so total cost is $10.22 a set. This does not include diodes or LEDs. If you don't have them already, I have plenty of red LEDs and various resistors.

Rough Cost Estimate
$6 - PCB
$13 - case
$10.22 - parts
$5 - shipping
= $35 estimated total
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #297 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:23:27 »
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

Ok, here's what we'll do. Everyone in the first round needs to tell me what color LEDs they want. If you already have LEDs, you can opt out. I can order the LEDs and resistors then ship them with the rest of the parts.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #298 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:26:38 »
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

Ok, here's what we'll do. Everyone in the first round needs to tell me what color LEDs they want. If you already have LEDs, you can opt out. I can order the LEDs and resistors then ship them with the rest of the parts.
I'm confused. Are you talking about diodes, or resistors? Cause in the post with the part info, you say how there is no diodes included, but in the screenshot, I see 500 diodes. No resistors/LED's.  :-\

I could be really dumb right now and not know what I'm talking about.. I'm tired.

also if it's still wanted, I'd like white LED's.
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Re: GHpad FTW (10-Key Pad for GH60)
« Reply #299 on: Sat, 21 September 2013, 00:28:32 »
I don't really have any diodes laying around.. :(

Ok, here's what we'll do. Everyone in the first round needs to tell me what color LEDs they want. If you already have LEDs, you can opt out. I can order the LEDs and resistors then ship them with the rest of the parts.
Purple LEDs. Just thought I'd put it in here just for reference.
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