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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #300 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 00:55:46 »
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.

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Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!


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« Reply #301 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 12:00:07 »
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.

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Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!

Looking forward to this moving forward. Best wishes with your school and new position.

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« Reply #302 on: Tue, 19 May 2020, 15:43:26 »
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.

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Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!
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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #303 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 08:07:49 »
I can't wait for this to go into GB! The Hiragana Kit looks amazing.

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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #304 on: Wed, 20 May 2020, 09:26:50 »
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.

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Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!

Would it be too late to make legend changes to the hiragana kit that GMK Sumi and GMK Oni recently made? These changes are outlined and explained here. In short, they make the kit more friendly to Japanese layout users (here's a “testimonial”). Also, it should be a legend-only change that doesn't involve adding new keys.

Totally understandable if it's too late.

Edit: Reference image. The concrete changes that you would need to make to Shoko's hiragana kit are:
  • R1 mod-colored → R1 mod-colored (I believe the current legend is an error to begin with, since the mod-colored key is supposed to be a `~, not a \|)
  • either R1 → R1 (the simplest way to do it), or R4 → R1 (involves replacing the extra B), or straight up add R1 (involves adding a key)
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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #305 on: Sat, 23 May 2020, 03:42:39 »
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.

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Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!

Would it be too late to make legend changes to the hiragana kit that GMK Sumi and GMK Oni recently made? These changes are outlined and explained here. In short, they make the kit more friendly to Japanese layout users (here's a “testimonial”). Also, it should be a legend-only change that doesn't involve adding new keys.

Totally understandable if it's too late.

Edit: Reference image. The concrete changes that you would need to make to Shoko's hiragana kit are:
  • R1 mod-colored → R1 mod-colored (I believe the current legend is an error to begin with, since the mod-colored key is supposed to be a `~, not a \|)
  • either R1 → R1 (the simplest way to do it), or R4 → R1 (involves replacing the extra B), or straight up add R1 (involves adding a key)

Lemme ask Kono if they can ask for the change, after all quotes are still being requested. But just to make sure, it should look like this?


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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #306 on: Sat, 23 May 2020, 09:33:37 »

Lemme ask Kono if they can ask for the change, after all quotes are still being requested. But just to make sure, it should look like this?
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Yep, that looks good.

If you have the chance to ask for the R1 1u alpha む as well (1 extra key, circled in orange in the reference pic I linked), that would make the kit absolutely perfect, but it's not a must and what you posted is already good enough. That extra key is used if you use split backspace and want to have a む instead of ー, which is more correct in a split backspace setup, if you really care about legend correctness.
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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #307 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 03:20:02 »

Lemme ask Kono if they can ask for the change, after all quotes are still being requested. But just to make sure, it should look like this?
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Yep, that looks good.

If you have the chance to ask for the R1 1u alpha む as well (1 extra key, circled in orange in the reference pic I linked), that would make the kit absolutely perfect, but it's not a must and what you posted is already good enough. That extra key is used if you use split backspace and want to have a む instead of ー, which is more correct in a split backspace setup, if you really care about legend correctness.

I couldn't get in the kit changes in the quotes, but I do have news. Just got the quotes, Kono gave me the prices they plan and they are based on 250 MOQ on the base kit and 100 MOQ on everything else for reference.

$119.99 Base kit
$54.99 Numpad
$49.99 40's Kit
$77.99 Hiragana/Kobe kit
$29.99 Spacebar kit

The base kit is for sure pricier than what I anticipated, so I am going to see if I can increase the MOQ in order to make it cheaper. If not then I'll see if I can requote them with the combined base kit and numpad, since I do think $120 is a bit pricey for a more minimal base kit in my opinion. Hope I can get everyone else's thoughts on this!
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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #308 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 07:28:19 »
Yeah that pricing seems quite high for a base kit plus numpad, especially when you consider that there have been several other sets which include all of those caps in the base kit for at or below your current base kit price (however probably at 500+ MOQ instead).

I’m all for throwing the numpad back into the base kit in that case.
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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #309 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 09:24:14 »
Ooof!
That hiragana/Kobe kit is expensive af!

It’s kono after all 😭

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« Reply #310 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 09:46:18 »

I couldn't get in the kit changes in the quotes, but I do have news. Just got the quotes, Kono gave me the prices they plan and they are based on 250 MOQ on the base kit and 100 MOQ on everything else for reference.

$119.99 Base kit
$54.99 Numpad
$49.99 40's Kit
$77.99 Hiragana/Kobe kit
$29.99 Spacebar kit

The base kit is for sure pricier than what I anticipated, so I am going to see if I can increase the MOQ in order to make it cheaper. If not then I'll see if I can requote them with the combined base kit and numpad, since I do think $120 is a bit pricey for a more minimal base kit in my opinion. Hope I can get everyone else's thoughts on this!

120 seems pretty steep for a base kit without a numpad.

Given the anticipation for this set, i think its quite possible to go for a 500 MOQ, that should hopefully make things better.

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« Reply #311 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:10:35 »
I couldn't get all of the vendors to entirely agree on making the MOQ 500 or a 1000 for the base kit, so I am going to get a requote with a combined base kit with the base kit and numpad. I'm still trying to make the kits as affordable as they can be, so unfortunately I still have to cut a few keys from the base kit with everything combined. But I just want everyone to see the proposed changes and see if these are all reasonable, I am going to try to aim at around $130 for the base kit.

Every kit got a change except for the spacebar kit.
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I really thank everyone for being so patient with me.
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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #312 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:21:20 »
I couldn't get all of the vendors to entirely agree on making the MOQ 500 or a 1000 for the base kit, so I am going to get a requote with a combined base kit with the base kit and numpad. I'm still trying to make the kits as affordable as they can be, so unfortunately I still have to cut a few keys from the base kit with everything combined. But I just want everyone to see the proposed changes and see if these are all reasonable, I am going to try to aim at around $130 for the base kit.

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I really thank everyone for being so patient with me.

Looking good, thanks!

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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #313 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 14:02:55 »
already spending damn near 200 for the set with 40s, ill gladly pay the extra 5 for accents.

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« Reply #314 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 14:31:37 »
Looks amazing. Any estimate date for the GB?

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« Reply #315 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:45:19 »
Looks amazing. Any estimate date for the GB?

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After requotes I'll probably have a firm group buy date.

already spending damn near 200 for the set with 40s, ill gladly pay the extra 5 for accents.

Yeah I couldn't think of anything else to slim out. They will probably stay in, but I just thought the base kit+40's might've been too pricey.


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« Reply #316 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:49:58 »


Looks amazing. Any estimate date for the GB?

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After requotes I'll probably have a firm group buy date.

Great! Thanks for the reply. Can't wait!

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« Reply #317 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:50:40 »


Looks amazing. Any estimate date for the GB?

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After requotes I'll probably have a firm group buy date.

Great! Thanks for the reply. Can't wait!

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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #318 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:52:01 »
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likely


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« Reply #319 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 20:15:37 »
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likely

Noel had accent bars but not accent arrows with a fairly similar kit and got to 135. I think that's gotta be the goal. Sandstorm cut some keys and tossed them in an ortho/40s/iso extension, no accent spacebars or arrows, and on day 1 on switchmod was 122$ with numpad, 127 normally. Both of those were 250 MOQ kits.

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« Reply #320 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:06:02 »
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likely
It's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.

I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.

EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.

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« Reply #321 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:09:51 »
I have a feeling that separating the Numpad will sell much better at a lower price, given the large number of nice keycap GBs coming out in the coming months.

But I will of course be in nonetheless.

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« Reply #322 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:29:13 »
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likely
It's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.

I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.

EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.

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The kitting looks pretty good to me. I'm mostly on board with your sentiment about the split spacebars. The one issue I see currently is that if you are an Alice layout user who doesn't want to accented spacebars you now have to buy both the 40s and spacebars kits.  I feel it makes more sense in the 40s kit or maybe the base even?
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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #323 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:32:36 »
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likely
It's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.

I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.

EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.

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I was planning on using R3/R4 PgUp/Down but this isn't a deal breaker. I would prefer you to keep it if possible.

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« Reply #324 on: Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:36:38 »
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likely
It's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.

I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.

EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.

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The kitting looks pretty good to me. I'm mostly on board with your sentiment about the split spacebars. The one issue I see currently is that if you are an Alice layout user who doesn't want to accented spacebars you now have to buy both the 40s and spacebars kits.  I feel it makes more sense in the 40s kit or maybe the base even?
Yeah this is rather tough, the 40's kit is already around $50 as is, so adding the accented spacebar keys there and extra B might make the 40's kit way too expensive in my eyes. Then adding those non accented spacebars into the base kit would make the base kit pricier than I'd hope most likely.

I could swap the accented smaller spacebars from the spacebar kit to the 40's kit and their non accented to the spacebar kit. In any case it is difficult to make the right decisions here.


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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #325 on: Thu, 28 May 2020, 01:08:25 »
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« Reply #326 on: Tue, 02 June 2020, 16:19:55 »
EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.
I was planning on using R3/R4 PgUp/Down but this isn't a deal breaker. I would prefer you to keep it if possible.

Please, please keep them :D
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« Reply #327 on: Tue, 02 June 2020, 16:42:29 »
when will the gb be live?

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Re: [IC] GMK Shoko 2nd Style「Almost in Group Buy hopefully」
« Reply #328 on: Tue, 02 June 2020, 16:43:10 »
I couldn't get in the kit changes in the quotes, but I do have news. Just got the quotes, Kono gave me the prices they plan and they are based on 250 MOQ on the base kit and 100 MOQ on everything else for reference.

$119.99 Base kit
$54.99 Numpad
$49.99 40's Kit
$77.99 Hiragana/Kobe kit
$29.99 Spacebar kit

The base kit is for sure pricier than what I anticipated, so I am going to see if I can increase the MOQ in order to make it cheaper. If not then I'll see if I can requote them with the combined base kit and numpad, since I do think $120 is a bit pricey for a more minimal base kit in my opinion. Hope I can get everyone else's thoughts on this!

Agree on the pricing comments. I intended to get numpad for some future 1800s and such, but at the current MOQ and pricing, it seems like there isn't a lot being 'gained' compared to recent set pricing by taking the numpad out.

That said, I think there is a lot of interest in this set following R1. As a newbie to this community, it seemed like I came across discussions on this set very quickly due to buzz/interest. I think a higher moq can easily be hit if that helps the pricing. Sets overall lately have been showing good numbers, especially if you slot this in with a quiet month (e.g. May was clearly "blue month" with its 3+ sets...doing it then would've been harder due to split interest).

Also r3/4 PgUp/Down is super valuable for my 65%/75% columns :)
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