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[IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:38:26 »
Hello everyone,

So I've been working on my dream keyboard.
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(And already made a Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gcrb5k/the_rabelius/ ). But I want to get more serious about it.
It's a 105 key ANSI/ISO supporting board. (See the PCB and layout here: https://github.com/LordRabel/Rabelius/tree/master ).
Like the DISCIPLINE 65 by coseyfannitutti the top window allows sight on the components of the keyboard (which all have to be soldered).
More pictures are available on my imgur account: https://imgur.com/user/LordRabel/posts

I feel like 1800s and compact full size boards are so hard to find. Maybe there is not a huge demand for them, but I really need the numpad.
If you got any suggestions or things you would like to see feel free to tell me! Either here at Rabel#9414 trough Discord or trough Reddit u/Lord_Rabel.

I made a Google form too, which you can fill out here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSelQexONaXlF7qsbUTCsPeE1AouoGurZSPbyXEojNDGr0N1WQ/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1

I would love to see your feedback!

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:40:12 »
Looks clean

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:43:28 »
This is really cool, a compact full size like this looks really nice. would a southpaw variant be a realistic option?

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:46:25 »
This looks v clean, I'm in.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:58:59 »
I dont get it, the case its going to be of aluminum? Or its a case like the Disciple, Plaid, etc?

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 12:59:34 »
I'll be watching this. Still looking for a decent full sized custom. This is a contender

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:00:55 »
I dont get it, the case its going to be of aluminum? Or its a case like the Disciple, Plaid, etc?

I have to say I thought about it, but the top aluminum piece, the plate and the pcb/firmware would have to be redone. Maybe in a future version, but not in this one sorry.

I dont get it, the case its going to be of aluminum? Or its a case like the Disciple, Plaid, etc?

It's going to be aluminum, my google form lists all parts

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:14:04 »
I need this in my life!!! Really nice looking.



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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:20:26 »
Looks clean


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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:20:53 »
What purpose will the top window serve?


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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:21:52 »
What purpose will the top window serve?
To see the components and such.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:08:07 »
Interesting layout and design. A few observations:

1) Top row looks very busy. Can probably remove a key and add indicator lights.
2) Sandwich mount is not bad but can be kind of very stiff with SS/brass plates. Making it a simple top mount would open up different plate materials like CF and can also push the design to a seamless look.
3) Components being displayed at the top look good but I think the board has enough going for it to not make the forehead larger. Okay with it either ways.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 14:22:30 »
Interesting layout and design. A few observations:

1) Top row looks very busy. Can probably remove a key and add indicator lights.
2) Sandwich mount is not bad but can be kind of very stiff with SS/brass plates. Making it a simple top mount would open up different plate materials like CF and can also push the design to a seamless look.
3) Components being displayed at the top look good but I think the board has enough going for it to not make the forehead larger. Okay with it either ways.

Thanks for your respons!
1.: Good idea, but I wanted to keep the all key layout (rotary encoder was an idea too), but LEDs would add more components to solder a therefor more crammed space. I don't really like that idea.
2.: Yeah I've heard of it, maybe I can add more holes in the Plate to make it more flexible, because I wanted the color accent of the plate on the side as a feature.
3.: I love soldering and I really wanted to solder my own keyboard once, that's why I made it this way.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:41:53 »
your kicad pcbnew file seems to be corrupted. when you click on a diode to route it every diode lights up. i don't know of any way to save a file like that, you generally have to start again from scratch, often needing to do the schematic too.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 17:00:56 »
This is the same width as the Austin - it trades the 2u numpad 0 key for a better looking layout without the funny gap next to the right arrow on Austin.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 03:05:52 »
The look is amazing. Like the sandwich look and also the top window. I am interested, depending on price point...

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 03:44:06 »
3.: I love soldering and I really wanted to solder my own keyboard once, that's why I made it this way.
Having the display window at the top is what draws me to this board.
But I really do not like those sentences at the top of the PCB. Would prefer it clean.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 03:45:41 »
Why oh why are there so many decent full size boards.  I love this and am interested but I am going to need to get a 2nd mortgage to cope with all the great boards that are being designed at the minute.
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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 04 May 2020, 04:17:09 »
Looks really nice

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 05 May 2020, 05:12:30 »
clean design with the clear part at the top

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:25:56 »
Custom text PCB? Hell yeah. Love it.


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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 06 May 2020, 01:23:31 »
Small update:
Thanks to everyone, giving me support and helping me with this project!!!
I'm currently in the phase of gathering all the components and making a price estimate. All small bits (screws, standoffs, electrical components) are pretty much in the range of $20-25.
The PCB is another big part. 50% of you (so far) like the idea of custom PCB text. I will talk with a supplier and  probably will get a custom silk version for $20-25 too. Ones who don't like the idea of custom text can leave it empty and get a small decrease in price (am not quite sure how much, but it's probably around $2-$5).
I really want to get this project up and running for less than $380. At the time of posting I only talked to one CNC supplier, who offers me a kit of 25 for like $330 each, however that's only for the Black version. Silver, gray and e-white where loved options too, that's why I have to try my best offering you the best I can. The problem is, that I don't know how much of which kind I can sell, making the estimate hard, because I want to give you the most accurate and less expensive option, so we can all be happy.

Hope you have a great week,
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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 06:49:26 »
-New plate
-PCB updated
-First render with components
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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 07:50:15 »
That PCB so sick man!!

Love this design

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 08:23:56 »
absolutely love this, the plate layer looks amazing from the sides too

any idea as far as timeline goes? Want one.

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 10:11:27 »
Looks very nice

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:03:49 »
absolutely love this, the plate layer looks amazing from the sides too

any idea as far as timeline goes? Want one.

Me too xD
The files are all done and Õ only make small improvements. I'm currently in the process of pushing the costs down. We'll see how good I do on that

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 11:13:09 »
Looks clean. Everything I was looking for in a compact full size. All the best!

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 19:46:51 »
Following this, please offer add-on additional PCB's for those of us likely to mess up something soldering thru-hole components. Thanks!

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 10 May 2020, 21:33:26 »
I really love this! Austin was the only other compact full size I've ever seen but the price and very limited run put it out of my reach. I actually like the look of this better, with the component window up top. A nice clean look and and a definite buy for me!  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 11 May 2020, 06:37:31 »
This looks amazing, definitely interested!

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 11 May 2020, 11:34:59 »
I'm so sorry to say, that my idea of having a top glass windows probably isn't coming around. The problem is, that the factories I contacted don't make such small pieces with holes for a reasonable price. I've already figured out a way to sick with the 4 Standoffs and having no sag. But sadly it's probably going to be acrylic.
I hope you understand, however if you know a glass factory, that would do something this special feel free for letting me know.

With that said, have a great week!
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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 11 May 2020, 15:23:02 »
I'm so sorry to say, that my idea of having a top glass windows probably isn't coming around. The problem is, that the factories I contacted don't make such small pieces with holes for a reasonable price. I've already figured out a way to sick with the 4 Standoffs and having no sag. But sadly it's probably going to be acrylic.
I hope you understand, however if you know a glass factory, that would do something this special feel free for letting me know.

With that said, have a great week!
Lord_Rabel


So just to confirm, we'll still have a small window, it's just now going to be made of acrylic instead of glass?

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 11 May 2020, 23:17:58 »
So just to confirm, we'll still have a small window, it's just now going to be made of acrylic instead of glass?
Correct the window will still be there just acrylic instead of glass

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 11 May 2020, 23:20:42 »
if i'm gonna have that giant forehead i want a whole nav cluster

the only time i use a fullsize is when i'm using excel for work, for which i do use the nav cluster
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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 11 May 2020, 23:31:59 »
You could get around the glass issue by having it slide into place through a slot in one of the sides. Bonus is that the glass could be standard rectangular which would be WAY cheaper to cut.

I'd also love to see some open through-hole slots to add optional LED lighting to the component window... just a circuit with resistor and LED, bonus points if it can be driven off the MCU.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 12 May 2020, 09:29:51 »
You could get around the glass issue by having it slide into place through a slot in one of the sides. Bonus is that the glass could be standard rectangular which would be WAY cheaper to cut.

I'd also love to see some open through-hole slots to add optional LED lighting to the component window... just a circuit with resistor and LED, bonus points if it can be driven off the MCU.

But with a slide in solution I would destroy the seamless look. Lighting in the Top compartment would, in my eyes, destroy the minimal look too. But you should be able to mod it to your liking, there would be enough space

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #37 on: Sat, 16 May 2020, 12:22:06 »
Don't set the quantity limit too low plz.
I can find lots of gb running less than 100, too hard to get one :confused:
Also the price no more than $450 will be great.

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« Reply #38 on: Sat, 16 May 2020, 12:43:49 »
Just missed out on the Austin R2, though I think this board is more my style. Hopefully I will be able to jump in on this one it looks fantastic!

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« Reply #39 on: Sat, 16 May 2020, 13:20:33 »
Based on how fast Austin sold out, I donít think you should be concerned about the demand for a custom full size.

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« Reply #40 on: Sat, 16 May 2020, 14:52:59 »
Based on how fast Austin sold out, I donít think you should be concerned about the demand for a custom full size.
I have a feeling it sold out so fast because there are so few choices so those who want one will really jump on a GB fast.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 17 May 2020, 01:02:30 »
pretty dope, if feel the top bit might make the keyboard feel really large on the desk.
But if you can pull it off and make the keyboard some what affordable,
that... would be a pretty nice aesthetic touch to something that wouldn't normally have that top glass/acylic area (forgive me for not knowing the exact terminology for this see through area, seems to be more common on smaller boards but i have no idea what its for other than looking cool).

I do have one criticism tho, is there anyway to refine the logo for the brass weight?
so that it looks less ... 'texty' ? Or slightly more minimal branding if u know what i mean

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 17 May 2020, 03:36:42 »
I too find 1800s and compact full boards hard to find. Definitely watching.

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 17 May 2020, 05:33:10 »
Alps compatible?


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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 10:39:59 »
Hey,
The last week and a half weren't that great, that's why I have to submit, that I am not able to fulfill a GB on my own.
On the one hand because of my lack of knowing how to do a GB and on the other hand because of personal stuff.
If somehow there is one wanting to work with me on releasing it, I would be happy to collaborate. However as it is now, I'm not able to.
I'm really sorry, I would have wanted the board too.

Have a nice weekend
Lord_Rabel

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 12:35:03 »
Hey,
The last week and a half weren't that great, that's why I have to submit, that I am not able to fulfill a GB on my own.
On the one hand because of my lack of knowing how to do a GB and on the other hand because of personal stuff.
If somehow there is one wanting to work with me on releasing it, I would be happy to collaborate. However as it is now, I'm not able to.
I'm really sorry, I would have wanted the board too.

Have a nice weekend
Lord_Rabel

Sad to hear this I was looking forward to this.
I hope you can get things together and run this in the future.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 21:37:54 »
Will there be support for split backspace and/or split right shift?
Looking forward to seeing how this progresses, have been wanting a nice looking fullsize for a while now, this looks like it would be it!  ;D

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 22 May 2020, 22:26:11 »
Hey,
The last week and a half weren't that great, that's why I have to submit, that I am not able to fulfill a GB on my own.
On the one hand because of my lack of knowing how to do a GB and on the other hand because of personal stuff.
If somehow there is one wanting to work with me on releasing it, I would be happy to collaborate. However as it is now, I'm not able to.
I'm really sorry, I would have wanted the board too.

Have a nice weekend
Lord_Rabel


Hey I'm not sure if I'd be of help but I'd love to see this board actually go through to GB so if you'd like please PM me with the help you'd need and I'll let you know if I could be of help or at least point you in the right direction of someone who can.

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Re: [IC] The Rabelius - a compact full size
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 23 May 2020, 17:44:50 »
+1 would love to see this turn live too!