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Offline Koniotaur

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 31 May 2020, 23:03:06 »
It's just a little bit pity that it's not regular KAT font as it will create inconsistency in font if someone would want to mix it with other KAT sets, GLWGB
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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 31 May 2020, 23:17:32 »
Colevrak for WoB and BoW please
My man. +1 for colevrak+ in both WoB and BoW.

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Offline vsrnth

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 31 May 2020, 23:26:30 »
Colevrak for WoB and BoW please
My man. +1 for colevrak+ in both WoB and BoW.

Dvorcol's excellent reference:
https://imgur.com/gallery/4Sy4ph1
+1 for colevrak support

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Offline Joaquox

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 00:29:08 »
Any plans for a ortho kit? Needs enough buttons for a Preonic at least.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 00:37:54 »
Getting me to but anything that isn't gmk is no small feat! Good work 🙏

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 01:20:38 »
Is a french kit doable ? With classic colorway like these you would sell some (not hundreds tho). I think I would buy two full sets, especially if you put the third legend like you did in NorDe kit. This third legend is missing in all KAT sets because of centered legends.
You would make some dudes like me very happy !
I second this, also North and South kits would make a lot of sense for this kind of set. Please think about it!

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 01:27:06 »
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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 01:40:30 »
Would be an instant buy if the HHKB kit used control not a stepped capslock. Having to buy an extra mods kit for a single key isn’t something I’d personally do.

Offline GaNeBaL

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 01:43:20 »
You sonuva *****, I'm in.
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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 01:49:20 »
Made an account here just to comment on this.

Would love it if you could find a Canadian vendor for the GB (maybe deskhero.ca?). Either way I'm in for at least one set, and more likely one each of WoB and BoW.

Offline maoam

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 01:56:53 »
Love this! I also second others about a non-stepped HHKB capslock.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 02:24:54 »
Cannot have enough BoW set. Plus love the attention to details.

I especially like the left aligned icon mods. Definitely in!

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 02:25:10 »
yep, beauty

Offline octol

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 02:30:43 »
Looks amazing!

What's missing for me to be able to use on my ortho boards are:
- 1u R2 enter
- another 1u R1 shift for shift on both sides

I will probably get 2x the "Extra mods" kit to have symmetric alt/super/ctrl

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 02:38:18 »
Hi, I just want to repeat:

please add R2 1.75u Control in mod kit.
please replace stepped Casplock in HHKB kit with R2 1.75u Control.

do you think a separate spacebar kit is possible?
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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 02:46:02 »
There are further refinements to go but as a set goes both WoB and BoW look impressive.  I think that such a good set needs to have everyone's additional key's added and this would make it a must have standard set for everyone.  If you are going this far, then take the time to do everything and it will be around for many years and sell many more times.  Go big baby.  I am in for both sets for sure.
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Offline Tom_Kazansky

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 02:48:19 »
is it possible for a vertical function keys kit?  :D


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Offline Scucka

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 03:16:33 »
Good job! Very nice set

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 03:22:59 »
Are you going to do any novelties? Looking at the 40s kit, the only option for the left side R2 in a 1u size is Tab or Esc. Control would be a nice third option, but I generally prefer to have a novelty there so it can be anything, e.g., Ctrl, Caps, bkspc for Colemak users, etc.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #69 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 03:32:17 »
Hot!

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Offline Vireca

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 03:35:44 »
I like it, but there some things it should be changed imo

F row not on mods kits... I dont get the point. Even if I dont use them I prefer to have a full base kit and KAT prices are not that important to separate them. This way you will save few dollars per kit, not worth it imo

The 40s kit should have more mirror spacebars to cover split keyboards. At least another 2u and x2 1.5u. Maybe you want to separate then in 40s and ortho kit, so people take whatever they want

About other languages or layouts I dont care because I dont use them, but KAT its cool enough to add them to the GB without increasing much the prices

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 03:55:37 »
I have to agree that base sets in general should be more encompassing. ISO, Function and Numpad should always be in base in my opinion.  I don't know about the rest of you guys but I normally buy all parts of any set in case I decide to put it on a different board and maybe one that has not even been designed yet.
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Offline Olivierko

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 04:07:01 »
Love these sets.

My only preference would be a non stepped caps lock within the HHKB set.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 04:52:11 »
nice design!
hope that bow can cheaper than wob!

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 05:20:53 »
Yes

Offline bobdenard

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 05:26:54 »
Beautiful work on the legends, looks way classier than usual KAT sets!

Also, +1 for French kit and Ergo kit

Offline bobaboy

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 06:03:14 »
The font legends look amazing, but is there any chance to have them centered? I think that would be a fresh look that's better than the current state of both GMK and KAT legends.

Offline MacSurfy

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 06:04:24 »
Thank you all for your feedback and comments. I'm having a computer free day today but I will get back on kit suggestions etc later, but I can already say now that regular caps lock will be added to the HHKB kit.

Offline Slayer77

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 06:47:06 »
Love this! I also second others about a non-stepped HHKB capslock.
It's in the to do list! Hyped for this, hhkb kit is a godsend

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Offline Slayer77

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 06:48:38 »
Thank you all for your feedback and comments. I'm having a computer free day today but I will get back on kit suggestions etc later, but I can already say now that regular caps lock will be added to the HHKB kit.
Nice. In for both hhkb sets!

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Offline stoffelduss

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 06:55:45 »
Wanna consider Colevrak+ support? A strong 13 out of 613 Alphas orders for KAT Arctic came with Colevrak+ orders, for example :P
Okay I know the numbers are not strong, but a few of us do exist and would appreciate it!

/edit: Everyone's talking about 1.75u Control, but I'd like to see a 1u Ctrl in the HHKB set. When using CapsLock, you still want a Ctrl key, and I personally place it on the 1u key on the right of the bottom row.
« Last Edit: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:01:04 by stoffelduss »

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:17:00 »
HHKB kits updated (I couldn't resist)

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:18:42 »
HHKB kits updated (I couldn't resist)
Nice.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #83 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:24:22 »
So now, what kinda white is this? As I've learned from buying many sets, black can be black, but white seems to have many forms.

I learned the hard way from other GB's that black can very different from what I consider black too. I will be checking out color samples before I decide on both but I do want to aim for a neutral black/white as far as possible. It's a bit hard to say what KAT Alpha looks like apart from the photos, but it goes from something even colder than WS2 to a white that looks far too warm. So definitely need to see samples IRL.


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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #84 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:40:57 »
Are there any black KAT keycaps out in the wild right now? I am curious to see how the dyesub will look for WoB. Otherwise, count me interested in this set.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:42:54 »
1. the gutters look a little too small? i agree gmk gutters are really inconsistent (oblivion git rip) but it looks strange being that close to the edge
2. some of the numrow symbols look really large, like the %
3. im not sold on the font. it looks a little too plain? maybe it's just renders, where everything looks sharp, or i'm just used to the ibm style font when talking about less rounded legends.

Thank you for your feedback!

1. I believe they are quite sufficient but I do want to make tests to make sure that we're good.
2. Agreed. It will be updated
3. Plain is OK in this case imho. Sharp & clear characteristics while being somewhat close to the Cherry font was what I was going for rather than something unique looking.


After your introduction I was really curious, but in the end I'm pretty disappointed. You obviously did a good job on the refinement, but in the end it just follows the same rules every cherry set is following and apply them to KAT. The same icons, off centered legends and uninspired font.

Sorry you didn't like it but I think you might have missed the point with this set when you read the intro  :)


a little surprised by the hhkb set. even though kat moqs are different, more kits are still a logistical sorting issue and the hhkb one feels a little superfluous. and i use an hhkb layout at times, but without the stepped caps since I prefer a regular ctrl there.

I haven't seen complete layouts offered before (maybe they exist?) so I decided to include one that is popular and has the least amount of variations. We will see how many kits I will offer in the end. I don't want to end up with too many.


This is gorgeous, exactly what I needed to make me purchase a set. Any eta?

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Aiming for August. But it depends on vendors and their availability too.


You're missing 1.75u Control for HHKB

Yes I am aware  :). I wanted to offer a full layout as a bit of an experiment if it would work or not. I was expecting people to have opinions on it and want extra keys in there, but then the whole idea of it is sort of gone if people have to pay for keys they don't need. I have already added a regular Caps Locks so we're already stretching it. But I will take your suggestion in to account.


ne purse caps lock avail?

That's a hard no unfortunately  ;D


It appears you are missing kits for Ergodox.  I'd be happy to help you sort those out.

The guide I've written is a good starting point:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105714.0
Thank you for reaching out. I will consider it.



do you want to elaborate on why you chose to have an hhkb kit rather than a "tsangan 60%" kit?
at bare minimum, 2 more keys (2x 1.5u ctrl) would give you a 7u bottom row.

Thank you for your suggestion! I have answered the same question above. But I might add Tsangan 60%, replace the HHKB one or take them both out to keep the kit count low. It depends a bit on feedback the coming weeks.
« Last Edit: Mon, 01 June 2020, 16:12:26 by MacSurfy »

Offline Khers

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #86 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:46:00 »
Looks very good! Great work, surfy!

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 07:53:13 »
May I ask the reason for no full icon mods?

Offline Mekberg

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #88 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 09:13:18 »
I have to agree that base sets in general should be more encompassing. ISO, Function and Numpad should always be in base in my opinion.  I don't know about the rest of you guys but I normally buy all parts of any set in case I decide to put it on a different board and maybe one that has not even been designed yet.

If it was a GMK set, I'd agree, but as I understand it it is much easier to have multiple kits with KAT manufacturers. It makes sense to keep the base being roughly 60/65% focused, and then add the numpad and F-row as separate kits. That way it saves money for those who know they won't ever put it on a fullsize (like me), and those who want all the keys can still get the extra kits without it being more expensive than it would have been anyway. I might get the F-row kit regardless so I can use it on a TKL, but as for numpad, I will never have a fullsize keyboard so having to pay for all those keys I never use feels... wasteful.

That's the thing: if they're included in the base kit, I can't opt out, but regardless of whether they're base or extra, you can always opt in.

Offline sartarelli

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 09:21:11 »
This looks like the first KAT keycaps GB I'll join, especially if the white will be closer to WS2 than WS1 from GMK.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 09:34:02 »
Would it be possible to have a small accent kit? Something like mr sleeves on Minimal. Would be very nice!

Offline Slayer77

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 09:54:48 »
This looks like the first KAT keycaps GB I'll join, especially if the white will be closer to WS2 than WS1 from GMK.
Personally prefer WS1. WS2 is for people who can't decide between CP or WS1

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #92 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 09:58:18 »
There are further refinements to go but as a set goes both WoB and BoW look impressive.  I think that such a good set needs to have everyone's additional key's added and this would make it a must have standard set for everyone.  If you are going this far, then take the time to do everything and it will be around for many years and sell many more times.  Go big baby.  I am in for both sets for sure.

To wit, please consider adding the following keys (from the first image, "JIS-alphas-kit.png", below) to your International Kit, providing support for JIS-layout alphas.

I've also attached both Japanese- and English-language version of the extra JIS mods--personally I think the English version works better with this kit but they're both there for your consideration.

Please note that the question of JIS-layout alphas and extra JIS mods can be considered separately; you may choose to add the alphas and not the mods, or vice versa, and both would be reasonable decisions.  That said, I would prioritise the alphas over the mods, personally.  And if you want to make this a truly universal set with full JIS support, both would be best (you only need to pick one of English-language mods and Japanese-language mods though).

I know this is a big ask, but for a set like this which stands a chance to be a universal baseline, it would be really great to see JIS support in there.  Please let me know if you have any questions!

EDIT: Clarifying which keys I meant in the first sentence
« Last Edit: Mon, 01 June 2020, 09:59:56 by kidviddy »

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 10:09:21 »
Reverse dye sub black rarely looks black. Part of me wishes the WoB were double-shot ABS.

However, the BoW should rock and will definitely get a set!

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 10:16:48 »
Great job! Any chance of adding a "Delete" on the F row?

Offline vaf1en

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 10:36:57 »
Very interested in a black-on-white set.
I have been waiting for something like this to roll around in KAT profile.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 11:02:32 »
Wish there was a BoW option for Dvorak (or Colevrak, or Typist, etc.).

Edit: I'm down for any Filco-compatible JIS kits too. At a minimum that means 4.5u space.
« Last Edit: Mon, 01 June 2020, 11:04:21 by equalunique »

Offline Acoipat

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 11:22:33 »
Wow, WoB/BoW with a clean font and modular sets?? Must-buy, count me in for sets in both colours. Would love to see more KAT sets with non-centered legends

Looks great! Super clean and love the aesthetic, interested in proxying it. Pming you in a bit :)))

I'd love for there to be a Canada proxy, Vince does an amazing job!

- The F row kits seem to be the only ones with R5 keys. If keeping with that, they need to add keys like Insert and Delete (for 75% keyboards) and move the R4 End and PgDn there (for 1800 and 1800-like layouts).

+1 for R5 Del & Insert for 75% compat if keeping the F row R5.


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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 12:50:11 »
The 40s kit is super weak for KAT. I suggest taking a look at KAT Explosion or KAT Space Cadet.

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Re: [IC] KAT Refined
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 01 June 2020, 13:32:35 »
Usually I am a person that likes the font used on SA and KAT. But I'm not against GMK's font or this refined one. I especially can't pass up the fact that I can get white mods with black keys; not a lot of others give that option.