There is a high likelihood that the board may not sell out so preemptively requesting an unlimited groupbuy seems rather premature.
Uhh... I can tell you with full confidence the board will not last longer than 3 seconds.
Would love to get this too but agree with others that this board will disappear in seconds as soon as GB starts. Please consider upping the limits or perhaps unlimited GB if possible...
Especially for EU.
Would love to get this too but agree with others that this board will disappear in seconds as soon as GB starts. Please consider upping the limits or perhaps unlimited GB if possible...
Especially for EU.
I second that, please increase the quantity for EU please.
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I agree: after all these months there is an exaggerated hype for this board. Especially for us in the EU it would be better to considerably increase the expected quantities or even opt for an unlimited GB
Thanks for the support, we truly appreciate it. We personally feel like the allocated quantities are large enough as is; if we were to do it again, we would probably run a lower quantity. We've reiterated our stance on the groupbuy format and quantities multiple times. Here are some of the more recent instances on geekhack:
Really looking forward to this keyboard, only reason I joined this group. Any potential release date for a GB since it's now being revised for a third time? Completely understand the want to have a perfect product before it goes out.
Thanks for the support! We're going to hold off on announcements regarding a timeline until we're confident in the prototype and are ready to proceed to the groupbuy. Tentatively, I'd expect a groupbuy closer to the end of the year barring any major setbacks.
Did the IC also have a vote on where the purchases might come from? I hope there’s enough in every location. I don’t mind waiting for a well QC board. But just have enough for all the interested parties to get one… I’d love the eWhite Paragon for my new hobby.
The IC did have a vote and it is how we selected the quantity allocation. Please see the attached image:
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I agree, 300 allotment for the US may just encourage scalpers. With how many are currently interested in this, why not make it an unlimited buy for a set amount of time? Couldn't hurt to let everyone who wants one get one.
The image attached above shows the interest distribution. It's how we arrived at 300 for the US.
given the hype can you maybe consider increasing the cap?
75 for SEA sounds very, very low. jelly epoch had 150 quota for SEA and it literally crashed the vendors' servers.
i really, really want to get this. Please!!
yes please!! increase the cap for EU too! since it takes longer to get the group buy ready... it's a great idea!
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I'm not sure how delays before the groupbuy warrant an increase in quantity as the two seem quite unrelated to me. As first time groupbuy runners, we don't want to overextend ourselves with a larger quantity. We also want to build trust with the community and that means proving that we can deliver a quality product within a reasonable time frame after the groupbuy runs. There is a high likelihood that the board may not sell out so preemptively requesting an unlimited groupbuy seems rather premature.
Cool! Thanks for the update! Looking forward to perhaps an e-white version! Or whatever colour options we might get at GB!
You're welcome, the colors as per the main post are E-white, Black, Deep Navy, & Gunmetal. The colors haven't changed over the past few months and we don't anticipate any changes in colors before the gb.
I suck at FCFS, was really hoping this would be unlimited.
Unfortunately, an unlimited gb is currently infeasible. We feel comfortable with the quantity and format of the GB.
Regarding the issue surrounding hype, I'd like to point out that the geekhack thread was dead for the duration between updates. If anything, we believe that the prolonged delays reduce hype and interest. The quantities are fixed and will not change.
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I have been preferring the Paragon over the quite well-known Glorious GMMK pro because I believe it will be customized more towards preferences of the community.
I just realized the mounting points of Paragon are indeed quite similar to that of the Glorious GMMK Pro (75%) - there are also mounting points on the side. On the contrary, I found most of the mounting points of builds - even as big as 75% and TKL (iirc e.g. RAMA U80, Zenith, TGR Jane) are mostly just mounted at the top edge and the bottom edge for more uniform flex across the board. This is one major reason I hesitate about getting the Glorious GMMK Pro.
I know this question is raised relatively late in the prototyping progress. I just want to point it out and let Op to have the chance to elaborate the rationale behind such design decision.
By the way, I like the manufacturer - hope this will make those in the EU enjoy better VAT rate.
Thanks for the interest. If you refer to the latest update on the main post (9/06), you will notice that the side gasket tabs have been removed and the plate thickness has been reduced to 1.5 mm. The following, however, was the original reasoning (copy pasted from a previous geekhack reply):
"Keebwerk ran some plate analysis and determined that it was ideal to use the 3mm plate with the gasket implementation as shown right now. Our gasket implementation is not as focused on plate flex as we have a 3 mm plate which already reduces plate flex substantially. We thought about it and decided that the side gaskets can be optional (you don't have to insert them if you don't want to) but the option exists."
I would like to add that we found the 3 mm pc and pom plates to be surprisingly flexible. However, we decided to standardize the plate for increased flex due to the recent trends regarding flex. For full transparency, I personally prefer a stiffer typing experience whereas my partner prefers a softer typing experience so we hope to provide both options with a variety of gasket and plate options during the groupbuy.
On a side note, I would also like to point out that I found the final sentence of the inquiry regarding the 3 mm plate rather loaded. The plate design has been addressed in virtually each iteration and this exact question has already been answered. I can understand citing other popular boards as references to substantiate the claim but I personally felt like the question was biased in assuming that side tabs were necessarily inferior while also affording me a "chance to elaborate the rationale behind such design decision". While I agree with your opinion, I disagree with the phrasing of your inquiry. On a more general note, I implore everyone to read through this thread before asking questions. All of the information that I've reiterated in this response can be found in this thread.