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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #150 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 04:29:07 »
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So quite possibly the craziest person (not in a good way) I've ever seen in the world has deemed that I have a psychological problem.

This is not good.


The funny thing was that it was predicated on this -

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The more watts you're dealing with, the more components you need to control the higher current.


If you have a PC AT, yeah. Actually, if you have cheap PSUs, you could end with that sort of design...
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« Reply #151 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 09:21:41 »
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Crazy people use these:
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I bought one of those at a thrift store like 5 years ago for like $20.  It had a non functioning drive.  They used some crap brand that was prone to failure. I replaced the hd and rebuilt the system from scratch.  Put osx Jaguar on it.   It had all kinds of problems, way worse than any pc I've ever had. It's the most advanced mac I have. lol  It was useful to learn osx and mac had some games and stuff from the early days that I played that were pretty interesting and addicting.
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #152 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 17:29:33 »
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I bought one of those at a thrift store like 5 years ago for like $20.  It had a non functioning drive.  They used some crap brand that was prone to failure. I replaced the hd and rebuilt the system from scratch.  Put osx Jaguar on it.   It had all kinds of problems, way worse than any pc I've ever had. It's the most advanced mac I have. lol  It was useful to learn osx and mac had some games and stuff from the early days that I played that were pretty interesting and addicting.


The only reason I'd get Mac OS9 is to play Caesar 3, Warcraft 2, and a few other oddities. The reason being is those versions were released later and supported more stuff. Although... I'm NOT using an apple hockey puck mouse. The keyboard is nothing special, but for games & arrow keys, you don't need nothing fancy.

My school I believe is throwing out some iMac G3s... might pick them up and see what I can do.

I hate OSX, it's the defining product of incompatibility. I had to use that thing for 3 years. I didn't used to get so angry at macs (I was neutral and actually used Mac OS6/7 back in the day), but using OSX after being spoiled by IBM is like... sitting on a velvet throne in contrast to a garbage can.
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« Reply #153 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 17:35:46 »
Yeah, the name of the dead drives that came oem on those systems was called a Fireball.  Who names a drive fireball?  It's like just asking for your drive to suck. lol
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #154 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 17:38:08 »
Quantum, apparently.

Any of the Mac IDE hard drives I've seen were Maxtors.

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« Reply #155 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 17:41:03 »
I have a purple one of those <3
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« Reply #156 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 17:53:36 »
Complete with what looks like an AZERTY 4th-gen SGI keyboard.

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« Reply #157 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 17:53:56 »
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I have a purple one of those <3

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Did you have to do anything special to get that keyboard & mouse to work with them?
My teacher has two of them, and, I said I'd format them with OS9 or something.

My school has one of the graphite coloured ones, and a standard "bondi blue". I might take the graphite one if they're throwing it out. It could be worth money some day cause I read they're more rare.
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« Reply #158 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 18:11:52 »
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I have a purple one of those <3

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Hmm, yer in Virginia and into anime, and have one of those? We could be brothers or something. lol  Where are you in Virginia? Did I ask you before?  Is that Iori or someone else?
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #159 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 18:14:55 »
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Fireballs, at least of the age you'd find in a gen-1 iMac, aren't bad drives.

Later Quantums and pretty much any Bigfoot are supposed to be the bad ones.

Yeah mine's actually a later gen one with a slot loading cd instead of the tray on those I guess, better processor, but worse everything else.
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #160 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 18:29:51 »
Mine is the 333 or the last of the tray-loaders or laptop-ram users haha.  You can use any USB keyboard or mouse with them as well, don't use the stock imac ones...please...

Graphites are the later models, probably 500MHz or faster (with firewire aka "DV") and aren't rare at all...actually the only ones which are "rare" are the weird coloured 1st gen models (like tangerine or the bright green (lime?)) and the weird graphic last-gen models.

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« Reply #161 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 18:39:28 »
There weren't a any colored versions in the 1st gen iMacs. They were all Bondi Blue. Tangerine iMacs apparently were the only models that were widely available for a while because nobody wanted them except in cities where the local sports franchise had orange as one of their main colors. There aren't a lot of teams that fit that bill. Denver comes to mind... not sure what else.
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« Reply #162 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 18:43:33 »
I sort them into laptop-sticks vs desktop sticks (1st and 2nd generation) which also correspond to tray-load vs slot-load...I think most other do this to but yes the first 233mhz model was only available in one colour

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« Reply #163 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 18:47:36 »
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Fireballs, at least of the age you'd find in a gen-1 iMac, aren't bad drives.

Later Quantums and pretty much any Bigfoot are supposed to be the bad ones.


No, the Fireballs are the ones that died a lot. The Bigfoots were great, I have a 19.2GB that still works fine, one of the best hard drives of its day. But there was one series of Fireball drives that had a near-100% failure rate, and that killed Quantum's reputation.
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« Reply #164 on: Mon, 19 July 2010, 18:48:24 »
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There weren't a any colored versions in the 1st gen iMacs. They were all Bondi Blue. Tangerine iMacs apparently were the only models that were widely available for a while because nobody wanted them except in cities where the local sports franchise had orange as one of their main colors. There aren't a lot of teams that fit that bill. Denver comes to mind... not sure what else.


Cincinnati Bengals perhaps?
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« Reply #165 on: Tue, 20 July 2010, 07:24:27 »
Think I'm going to go with this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MSI-N260GTX-2D896-OCv2-NVIDIA-896MB-PCI-Express-VGA-/120587946384?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item1c139a0990

$120.  It's not super powerful, but it's still 2 or 3 times as good as a 9800, better than two 9800 sli'd in most real world situations.   That should bring the price down for the entire unit to a more affordable level.  Still way exceeds most game requirements.  Not sure it'll get me to 300k crystal marks, but should put me way above 200k.

So that leaves me with:

MSI N260GTX-2D896 OCv2 NVIDIA 896MB PCI Express VGA $120
X58B-A3 SLI $145
Corsair XMS3 4gb DDR3 $100
intel i7 quad core i7-920 i7 920 1366 2.66/8m/4.8 CPU $200

Subtotal:
$665

OCZ OCZSSD2-1VTX60G 60GB SATA SSD solid state drive $135

500gb hd $50

$750
+psu
$800

Still pretty high with the drives counted in there.  Need to see if I can find the chip for a lower price somewhere, cause that's the killer right now.
« Last Edit: Tue, 20 July 2010, 07:43:31 by chimera15 »
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #166 on: Tue, 20 July 2010, 07:42:58 »
Found one for $200.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Core-i7-920-2-66-GHz-Processor-/250669489932?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item3a5d10df0c

A new oem for $222.
  That's the key, need to search for oem I think.

Yup! New Oem $210

http://cgi.ebay.com/Intel-Core-i7-920-2-66Ghz-LGA1366-CPU-Processor-New-/190421170149?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item2c55fc77e5

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001H5T7LK/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used


Of course that adds the cost of a aftermarket cooler, which I had always planned on anyway, but still much better.  Brings the single lump cost down quite a bit.

Still looking at over a grand with all the extras like a case figured in..... pretty high.

That's coming close to the cost of a ticket to Japan.  It's a toss up if I want to get a new i7 or go to Japan. lol


http://www.asaptickets.com/cheap-tickets/economic/finnair/2010-07-20/2010-08-03/roundtrip/1/0/0/910.60/ORF/asia/japan/TYO.html?line=%28800%29+315-3517&clientsource=MFS%3AJapanKorea_countries

lol $1000 round trip ticket.  Probably doesn't include all the extra junk they'll throw in though.  I need to get a new passport too since mine was stolen like 10 years ago.
« Last Edit: Tue, 20 July 2010, 08:02:22 by chimera15 »
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #167 on: Tue, 20 July 2010, 08:27:29 »
1000 watt? That's like running a dryer!
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« Reply #168 on: Tue, 20 July 2010, 08:30:20 »
It's only like 8 amps pulling max load, which it'll likely never do.  That's like a small angle grinder. lol
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #169 on: Tue, 20 July 2010, 12:05:52 »
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1000 watt? That's like running a dryer!


1KW? I have an unused OCZ 1KW GameXtreme here, This is it's replacement.
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« Reply #170 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 11:43:52 »
The power supply came today, fast shipper! Like, 3 days.  Came in the original box.  The cables are all still tie wrapped. There's some scuff marks, so obviously it's been installed but maybe not actually used, but looks good.  All cables there, and no burnt smell or anything. lol

Looks like a really good deal.



« Last Edit: Wed, 21 July 2010, 11:52:24 by chimera15 »
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #171 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 11:53:05 »
I think you should be perfectly happy with that setup.
Get a good cooler and that i7 will OC like a monster.
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« Reply #172 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 12:45:41 »
Seems to test ok.


I had to cut the some of the plastic of the connectors, they wouldn't fit.  They had the wrong triangle square pattern. Maybe they were for a different modular supply or something?  Not sure.
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #173 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 12:57:52 »
If you burn your house down, can I have your keyboards?

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« Reply #174 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 13:09:24 »
This looks like a possible good deal on a motherboard:

No standard pci slots...kinda sucks.


http://cgi.ebay.com/gateway-fx6800-01e-motherboard-ddr3-i7-dvr-/170516590245?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item27b394aea5

Been burnt before buying used mobos though.

It's interesting these units for about the same specs sell for around $700..yet I can't build one from parts for less than that.. sigh

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gateway-FX6800-01E-Intel-i7-Vista-ATI-HD-4850-3G-750G-/250641121213?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3a5b5fffbd
« Last Edit: Wed, 21 July 2010, 13:12:41 by chimera15 »
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #175 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 13:10:05 »
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If you burn your house down, can I have your keyboards?


lol
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #176 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 13:42:53 »
Well, since you don't overclock and don't see the merit of getting a decent power supply, honestly that pre-built Gateway doesn't seem like a bad idea. Normally I'd never let anyone buy pre-built rigs but it's not like you're listening to my custom part recommendations anyway so it'll probably be easier for you just to get that.

Can you return the parts you already bought for the i7 build?

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« Reply #177 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 13:52:35 »
I've only bought a powersupply, which can act as a backup for my existing ones.  It's a very good powersupply, it has great reviews.  I haven't comitted at all, and still deciding if I want to use the money to go to Japan, pay off debts, or build this.  

It's not crappy at all.  It's like a $160 retail psu that I got for $50.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-3781184418395547705&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=RF-900WPS&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960

  I don't really want to buy a prebuilt.  It has a lot of things like an ati card and 3 gigs that I don't want either.  I was just complaining that it's roughly the same cost and that I can't build one for that price even though I'm putting all the work into assembling it.  I normally am able to put together a unit for less than half the price of what a similar built unit is.  It seems like with this i7 though, the processor is the main cost, and there's only a $50 difference between a oem and retail, and it's a big hunk of change at $200 just for that.  I mean the mobo and the processor together are more than 50% of the cost of the whole unit, with a c2d, or any unit I've built previously they'd be at most 30%.
« Last Edit: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:30:30 by chimera15 »
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #178 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:14:24 »
Alps boards:
white real complicated: 1x modified siiig minitouch kb1903,  hhkb light2 english steampunk hack, wireless siig minitouch hack
white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx


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« Reply #179 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:29:41 »
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I  It seems like with this i7 though, the processor is the main cost,


so build with an amd x6... I know, you have already shot that idea down. Bang for buck dude.
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« Reply #180 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:33:36 »
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It's not crappy at all.  It's like a $160 retail psu that I got for $50.


Oh dear.

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« Reply #181 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:42:57 »
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Well, since you don't overclock and don't see the merit of getting a decent power supply, honestly that pre-built Gateway doesn't seem like a bad idea. Normally I'd never let anyone buy pre-built rigs but it's not like you're listening to my custom part recommendations anyway so it'll probably be easier for you just to get that.

Can you return the parts you already bought for the i7 build?


Since i7's are one of the first systems meant to be overclocked I probably will overclock the i7 at least to some degree, but probably not past a reasonable safe zone.
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« Reply #182 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:46:57 »
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so build with an amd x6... I know, you have already shot that idea down. Bang for buck dude.

Like I said, show me an amd system that comes anywhere near an i7 and isn't oc'd with water coolers and junk and I might do that, but until I see one I'm not even going to consider it.

Here's an amd phenom and it only has 150k crystalmarks that I'm sure I could get with one of my c2ds if I overclocked them, and got a newer graphics card.

http://crystalrank.info/CrystalMark/09/ranking.php?ID=132716

The highest phenom seems to be around 250k, which is where i7's start with the crappiest stuff.



They're just nowhere near i7 levels.

It does have a pretty crappy graphics card on that one though.

This is what I'm looking at:  This has similar components to my design:

http://crystalrank.info/CrystalMark/09/ranking.php?ID=132658

500k!!

God that was with a 1156 mobo and a non 920 as well...how was that possible, geesh..

Maybe I should just go for a 1156, they seem to be a lot less costly.
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« Reply #183 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:47:49 »
You won't get far with a $100 motherboard though. You can overclock a Phenom II on a $100 motherboard (heck my board, bought for $120, the 790XT-UD4P, is still one of the better boards on the market) but i7 will not go too far on a cheap board. You'd also need to spend a decent amount on cooling ($60 or more) whereas you can get away with a $30 cooler on a Phenom II.

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« Reply #184 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:49:07 »
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Like I said, show me an amd system that comes anywhere near an i7 and isn't oc'd with water coolers and junk and I might do that, but until I see one I'm not even going to consider it.

Here's an amd phenom and it only has 150k crystalmarks that I'm sure I could get with one of my c2ds if I overclocked them, and got a newer graphics card.

http://crystalrank.info/CrystalMark/09/ranking.php?ID=132716


They're just nowhere near i7 levels.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

That's a triple-core for ****'s sake. Why are you comparing a $100 triple-core to a $240 i7?

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« Reply #185 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:49:23 »
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Since i7's are one of the first systems meant to be overclocked I probably will overclock the i7 at least to some degree, but probably not past a reasonable safe zone.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah?

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« Reply #186 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:53:25 »
Again:


And you can overclock the **** out of Phenom IIs without spending a fortune on a motherboard and cooling.

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« Reply #187 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:55:49 »
And those are all synthetic benchmarks which mean ****-all and which i7s are supposed to dominate. I'll dig up the gaming ones in a second but why do you think the people recommending AMD are lying to you? Do you think instantkamera or I get commission from every AMD CPU sold?

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« Reply #188 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 14:58:10 »
http://hardware-infos.com/tests.php?test=64&seite=6

Look at the benchmarks done at higher resolutions (bottom of the page).

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« Reply #189 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:03:39 »

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« Reply #190 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:06:28 »

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« Reply #191 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:25:44 »
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And those are all synthetic benchmarks which mean ****-all and which i7s are supposed to dominate. I'll dig up the gaming ones in a second but why do you think the people recommending AMD are lying to you? Do you think instantkamera or I get commission from every AMD CPU sold?

No 920's or 940's though.

the ecs motherboard I want is $145, which is a solid board, and the 1156 boards are robust and very inexpensive.   That one 500k crystalmark was on a $100 asus board.   Motherboards have been really cheap since c2d's.  I think I paid like $50 for my 570 slit-a's and asus mobos that I've been using for like 2 or 3 years now.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-P7P55D-PRO-Motherboard-Supports-Intel-Turbo-boost-/120579279704?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item1c1315cb58http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-P7P55D-PRO-Motherboard-Supports-Intel-Turbo-boost-/120579279704?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item1c1315cb58
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« Reply #192 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:31:32 »
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http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii_965/

 I would think that the crysis tests have more to do with the graphics card than the cpu...  crystalmark is more intensive  cpu test which is why I would use it for selecting a cpu, and 3dmark for selecting a graphics card.

What's the name of the one you would suggest would compete with an i7? Do they cost less than $200?

This is probably a bit more like it:

http://hardware-infos.com/tests.php?test=64&seite=10

They're still around the same price as the i7, so I don't really see it helping that much:

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-PHENOM-II-X4-920-2-8GHZ-AM2-RETAIL-HDX920XCGIBOX-/370191322484?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item56311f4d74
« Last Edit: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:35:56 by chimera15 »
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« Reply #193 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:33:00 »
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And those are all synthetic benchmarks which mean ****-all and which i7s are supposed to dominate. I'll dig up the gaming ones in a second but why do you think the people recommending AMD are lying to you? Do you think instantkamera or I get commission from every AMD CPU sold?


The thing that seals it for me is price, period. I cant get ANY cor i7 for less than I can get the best cpu AMD makes, period. Intel have the better CPUs for sure, especialy comparing stock to stock. The minute you start talking price though, changes matters a bit.

Basically, here in Canada at least, you are talking either getting an i5 for the price of the x6, or stretching the budget a bit just to get the i7 920/930.
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« Reply #194 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:33:46 »
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No 920's or 940's though.

Usually, when a CPU beats an i7 960, logic dictates it can beat 920s and 940s.

Quote from: chimera15;204903
the ecs motherboard I want is $145, which is a solid board,

How do you know it's solid? $145 isn't cheap. More expensive than a good 890FX board.

Quote from: chimera15;204903
and the 1156 boards are robust and very inexpensive.   That one 500k crystalmark was on a $100 asus board.

Yes because the CPU wasn't overclocked. You don't need an expensive motherboard to run stock. If you're gaming, why do you care about Crystalmark? What the **** is Crystalmark anyway? I've only ever seen you use it.

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Motherboards have been really cheap since c2d's.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=X58&x=0&y=0



Quote from: chimera15;204903
I think I paid like $50 for my 570 slit-a's and asus mobos that I've been using for like 2 or 3 years now.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-P7P55D-PRO-Motherboard-Supports-Intel-Turbo-boost-/120579279704?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item1c1315cb58http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-P7P55D-PRO-Motherboard-Supports-Intel-Turbo-boost-/120579279704?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item1c1315cb58

Another option is i5. You can get an i5 750 with a P55 board instead of i7.


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I would think that the crysis tests have more to do with the graphics card than the cpu...  crystalmark is more intensive  cpu test which is why I would use it for selecting a cpu, and 3dmark for selecting a graphics card.

What's the name of the one you would suggest would compete with an i7? Do they cost less than $200?

This is probably a bit more like it:

http://hardware-infos.com/tests.php?test=64&seite=10

So you linked the part where i7s beat Phenom IIs in a synthetic benchmark, and I linked the part where Phenom IIs beat i7 in gaming which is what you will be using the computer for. Lolwut?
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« Reply #195 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:42:37 »
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Usually, when a CPU beats an i7 960, logic dictates it can beat 920s and 940s.



How do you know it's solid? $145 isn't cheap. More expensive than a good 890FX board.



Yes because the CPU wasn't overclocked. You don't need an expensive motherboard to run stock. If you're gaming, why do you care about Crystalmark? What the **** is Crystalmark anyway? I've only ever seen you use it.



http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=X58&x=0&y=0

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Another option is i5. You can get an i5 750 with a P55 board instead of i7.




So you linked the part where i7s beat Phenom IIs in a synthetic benchmark, and I linked the part where Phenom IIs beat i7 in gaming which is what you will be using the computer for. Lolwut?


You can't bench a system based on a game, when we're talking about cpu, when the majority of the games benchmark is coming from the gpu.
  If you want to talk graphics cards, we can talk crysis ratings all you want, it doesn't have that much bearing on the quality of the cpu.  You're trying to compare apples with oranges.

Crystalmark is a Japanese benchmark software.
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« Reply #196 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:50:39 »
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You can't bench a system based on a game, when we're talking about cpu, when the majority of the games benchmark is coming from the gpu.
  If you want to talk graphics cards, we can talk crysis ratings all you want, it doesn't have that much bearing on the quality of the cpu.  You're trying to compare apples with oranges.

Crystalmark is a Japanese benchmark software.


OK, let's break this down:

- You want a PC to play games on
- There is proof that buying a cheaper CPU/platform makes no difference in game performance
- I have provided this proof
- With the money you save from the cheaper CPU, you can buy a better GPU and end up with a system that does better at what you want it to do, which is play games, or you can put the money in your pocket and have the same game performance as the more expensive CPU
- You are ignoring this proof because even though you want to play games on your computer, you want to spend more money because...???

What am I missing here? Fill me in.

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« Reply #197 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:52:38 »
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Since i7's are one of the first systems meant to be overclocked I probably will overclock the i7 at least to some degree, but probably not past a reasonable safe zone.


Seriously, can anyone explain what's going on here?

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« Reply #198 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:54:41 »
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Seriously, can anyone explain what's going on here?

Intel invented good performance, overclocking and "not sucking". AMD is still behind. Never mind that real overclocking came from that legendary DFI Lanparty NF4 SLI-D board

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« Reply #199 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 15:57:44 »
Wow. So those Athlon 64s with unlocked multipliers that were touted as a feature of the chip, and the extreme ease of overclocking computers made before the late 90s was just something I was imagining?

I think I need to see a doctor.