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Offline chimera15

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« Reply #300 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:37:00 »
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=315&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=5

Found some benchmarks with 260's and 4890s in it.  Looks close...  Looks like in certain scenarios the 260 outperforms by a large amount, but in most the 4890 wins.
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« Reply #301 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:39:01 »
That's why I say the 5830 is ATI's worst card in years. It performs worse than the card it's replacing and costs more (even after the price cut when the GTX460 came out), has the power consumption and heat of the card two tiers above it, and is utterly stomped by Nvidia's competition to it, the GTX460. ATI really screwed up there, $200 is a crucial price point and if you aren't strong there you're going to have a lot of trouble. They started out strong with the 5770, but now that's at $150, and the 5830 just can't take up that mantle.
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« Reply #302 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:41:51 »
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I think most of them know a lot more than me in theory, but most of them lack real world experience.  The lack of theory knowledge on my part is temporary until I have time to come back up to speed.


Okay mate... let's give you a bit of real world experience.

Started on an 8088

Recently specced and built a 250 node Renderfarm with 48 cores per node.

I rock an X4 620 in my main rig, and am building myself one of the afortermentioned 48 core servers (Just the 1 node).

Oh, and build/repair/spec/upgrade a whole variety of systems, every day, because it's how I make my living.

My "real world experience" sorted and out of the way.

For pure performance, go i7.
For performance/cost ratio, go quad or hex from AMD.

That, my friend, sums it up, in it's entirety. If you won't go for AMD, given your stated goal of a cost-effective Gaming Rig, then it's nothing but pure fanboyism. It will play games, as good, if not slightly better, given the rest of they system is the same.

Personally, I don't care what name is on the box, as long as it fills the criteria I set out when building the thing. I ran Intel's throughout the C2D/C2Q era, and AMD stomped intel into the curb with the Athlon XP series. Both have highs and lows. Thus is life... deal with it.
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Offline gr1m

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« Reply #303 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:42:01 »
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Take the 3DMark06 tests at face value (as you should any synthetic benchmark), because in our next section we begin real-world testing on a cadre of popular video games known for taxing the graphics processor, and the performance curve is expected change.
Quote from the review you linked, you should really stop depending too much on synthetic benchmarks.

Check the next pages (real games) and the 4890s superiority becomes clearer.

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« Reply #304 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:45:17 »
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,689039/Evga-GTX-285-FTW-vs-Sapphire-HD-4890-Atomic-Battle-of-the-OC-giants/Reviews/?page=8

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All in all this is a more than respectable performance delivered by the Radeon - in matters of pure fps power it can get extremely close to the Geforce, which is noticeably more expensive, and in some cases the Atomic can even beat the Nvidia card.

And that's with a GTX 285. Overclock a 4890 to anything above 950MHz core (highly possible and safe and easy with Afterburner) and you'll be more than set.

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« Reply #305 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:46:16 »
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Okay mate... let's give you a bit of real world experience.

Started on an 8088

Recently specced and built a 250 node Renderfarm with 48 cores per node.

I rock an X4 620 in my main rig, and am building myself one of the afortermentioned 48 core servers (Just the 1 node).

Oh, and build/repair/spec/upgrade a whole variety of systems, every day, because it's how I make my living.

My "real world experience" sorted and out of the way.

For pure performance, go i7.
For performance/cost ratio, go quad or hex from AMD.

That, my friend, sums it up, in it's entirety. If you won't go for AMD, given your stated goal of a cost-effective Gaming Rig, then it's nothing but pure fanboyism. It will play games, as good, if not slightly better, given the rest of they system is the same.

Personally, I don't care what name is on the box, as long as it fills the criteria I set out when building the thing. I ran Intel's throughout the C2D/C2Q era, and AMD stomped intel into the curb with the Athlon XP series. Both have highs and lows. Thus is life... deal with it.

Professional experience isn't exactly the same as what I do, and isn't really germane to the conversation.  The facts are that new you may have a point, or building a server that has to be there for customers.  I said earlier if I was doing this I would have a completely different thought process, and would be concerned more about details.   Putting together a unit from used/refurbed/open box parts off ebay it's a completely different world.  The fact is that I'm not seeing the price advantage, and so why should I worry about AMD?
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Offline gr1m

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« Reply #306 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:48:08 »
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That's why I say the 5830 is ATI's worst card in years. It performs worse than the card it's replacing and costs more (even after the price cut when the GTX460 came out), has the power consumption and heat of the card two tiers above it, and is utterly stomped by Nvidia's competition to it, the GTX460. ATI really screwed up there, $200 is a crucial price point and if you aren't strong there you're going to have a lot of trouble. They started out strong with the 5770, but now that's at $150, and the 5830 just can't take up that mantle.

I know right. ATI cards can grab the power consumption, heat output, performance/price ball and run with it when compared to everything except a 460, in which case they fumble the ball completely. As you said, the 460 is in too crucial of a price point to ignore.

Heck, even I'm gonna buy one. Afrodisiac. THE fanboy.

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« Reply #307 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:50:04 »
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Professional experience isn't exactly the same as what I do, and isn't really germane to the conversation.  The facts are that new you may have a point, or building a server that has to be there for customers.  I said earlier if I was doing this I would have a completely different thought process, and would be concerned more about details.   Putting together a unit from used/refurbed/open box parts off ebay it's a completely different world.  The fact is that I'm not seeing the price advantage, and so why should I worry about AMD?

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-X4-955-3-2GHZ-USED-/120598867230?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item1c1440ad1e#ht_500wt_1154

Sup Mr. Ebay. The very same CPU that was seen beating the i7s in games not only in the German benchmark I linked but the other two that you seem to have ignored. $110 buy it now. Surely you can't get a 920 for that cheap?

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« Reply #308 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:55:56 »
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http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-X4-955-3-2GHZ-USED-/120598867230?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item1c1440ad1e#ht_500wt_1154

Sup Mr. Ebay. The very same CPU that was seen beating the i7s in games not only in the German benchmark I linked but the other two that you seem to have ignored. $110 buy it now. Surely you can't get a 920 for that cheap?


Well, that's what I was looking for except for the fact it's from a 0 feedback user which I don't buy from.
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« Reply #309 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:57:25 »
Speaking of eBay, don't you just hate it when a computer you really want is on eBay for a very good price, and no one has been bidding on it since it first went up around January...

... BUT ITS IN AUSTRALIA!



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« Reply #310 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:57:35 »
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Professional experience isn't exactly the same as what I do, and isn't really germane to the conversation.  The facts are that new you may have a point, but putting together a unit from used/refurbed/open box parts off ebay it's a completely different world.  The fact is that I'm not seeing the price advantage, and so why should I worry about AMD?

I should have put it a bit clearer.

In the last 20 years I have built literally thousands of systems, ranging from charity builds from my spares pile, through to the monster renderfarm. the bulk of my work is "normal" systems (Your falls squarely into that category).

My current machine is largely 2nd hand, bought from Forum's off of early adopters. What I am saying is very germane to what you are trying to do, because I do it 320+ days a year. The server/farm builds happen on average once or twice a year.

Last week I built a system, with an identical purpose to yours. Quality gaming, without spending silly money. PhenomII, 5770, 8GB, Intel X25M SSD+2TB, 600W Seasonic PSU. Job Done. All the parts were used bar the PSU. It came in about 20% cheaper than I could source an i7 rig that would perform in the same manner. the facts are, I simply could not build an i7 rig for the same money and keep performance on par.
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« Reply #311 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 19:58:25 »
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http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-X4-955-3-2GHZ-USED-/120598867230?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item1c1440ad1e#ht_500wt_1154

Sup Mr. Ebay. The very same CPU that was seen beating the i7s in games not only in the German benchmark I linked but the other two that you seem to have ignored. $110 buy it now. Surely you can't get a 920 for that cheap?

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-955-3-2-GHz-CPU-AM3-Black-Edition-[URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-955-3-2-GHz-CPU-AM3-Black-Edition-DDR3-/300434452166?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item45f349eec6]DDR3-/300434452166?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item45f349eec6[/URL]

Looks like this is the lowest at all reputable seller..  Still not bad at $150 if it indeed will compete with an i7.
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« Reply #313 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:02:01 »
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http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-955-3-2-GHz-CPU-AM3-Black-Edition-[URL=http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-955-3-2-GHz-CPU-AM3-Black-Edition-DDR3-/300434452166?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item45f349eec6]DDR3-/300434452166?cmd=ViewItem&pt=CPUs&hash=item45f349eec6[/URL]

Looks like this is the lowest at all reputable seller..  Still not bad at $150 if it indeed will compete with an i7.

For $10 more you can get one from Newegg.com new. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=955-_-19-103-808-_-Product
C3 stepping too.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.448292
Combo deal with an SSD, might be worth your while to look into. Don't know too much about SSDs. Both $270 after mail-in-rebate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.430449
Combo deal with an 890GX motherboard. $30 off, $40 off with mail-in-rebates. Come on. A CPU+decent mobo that can beat an i7 for the same price as an i7 CPU alone?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.430451
Combo deal with a better motherboard (890FX, essentially the cream of the crop of AMD motherboards, has broken the world Phenom II overclock record). Mighty attractive for $270 and you don't have to deal with shoddy Ebay crap. You can also run Crossfire with two ATI cards. 2x4890s anyone?
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Offline chimera15

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« Reply #314 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:04:04 »
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I should have put it a bit clearer.

In the last 20 years I have built literally thousands of systems, ranging from charity builds from my spares pile, through to the monster renderfarm. the bulk of my work is "normal" systems (Your falls squarely into that category).

My current machine is largely 2nd hand, bought from Forum's off of early adopters. What I am saying is very germane to what you are trying to do, because I do it 320+ days a year. The server/farm builds happen on average once or twice a year.

Last week I built a system, with an identical purpose to yours. Quality gaming, without spending silly money. PhenomII, 5770, 8GB, Intel X25M SSD+2TB, 600W Seasonic PSU. Job Done. All the parts were used bar the PSU. It came in about 20% cheaper than I could source an i7 rig that would perform in the same manner. the facts are, I simply could not build an i7 rig for the same money and keep performance on par.



Well now that I have a more solid idea of what the amd competitor is, it may be that I could save about $100...

Part of the problem I've had with AMD's is that they have like 80 processors from different generations and lines all named exactly alike.
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« Reply #315 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:05:03 »
AMD's current lineup is very consistent.

Opteron - Server
Phenom - High end Desktop
Athlon - Mainstream
Sempron - Budget

Are you sure you are not thinking of Intel?

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« Reply #316 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:07:22 »
All you have to look at are Athlon II and Phenom II.
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« Reply #317 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:07:40 »
The easiest AMD guide:

Phenom II - good
Athlon II - good
Anything else, don't bother.

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« Reply #318 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:07:59 »
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Well now that I have a more solid idea of what the amd competitor is, it may be that I could save about $100...

Part of the problem I've had with AMD's is that they have like 80 processors from different generations and lines all named exactly alike.

Their naming scheme does indeed suck huge balls until you are used to it. Once you are, it's very easy. Athlon II or Phenom II, forget the rest.

Phenom II's, either 4 or 6 core are going to be fine. The aforementioned 955BE is a great chip, and trivial to overclock for further gains. That, with an 890 based motherboard, and whatever recent graphics card you choose are going to play pretty much anything you throw at it for the next few years.
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« Reply #319 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:09:18 »
As far as I know, you can't find any previous gen AMDs in retail channels any more. Same can't be said for Intel...

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« Reply #320 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:10:56 »
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As far as I know, you can't find any previous gen AMDs in retail channels any more. Same can't be said for Intel...

You still see occasional Brisbanes, but for the most part yes.
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« Reply #321 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:12:10 »
They still sell Phenom 1 9950s on Newegg, lol. I'll try to do a little summary thing here:

Phenom II X# ###
The first # following the X is the number of cores it has. There are the following:
2 cores: Phenom II X2, can be unlocked into 3 or 4-cores since to meet demand, working chips are disabled and can be re-enabled
3 cores: Phenom II X3, can be unlocked into 4-cores
4 cores: Phenom II X4, if it is a low-end 8**, the missing cache can be unlocked to turn it into a 9** proper quad. The 960T however, and any new quad that will have a "T" following the 3 digit model number, is a crippled 6-core and can unlock to a full 6-core.
6 cores: Phenom II X6, the big cheese. 6 mother****ing cores.

The following 3 ###s are the model number. The first number almost corresponds to the number of cores. I say almost because of one exception:
All 2-cores are 5, so for example, Phenom II X2 550 or 555.
All 3-cores are 7, so for example, Phenom II X3 720 or 710.
Low-end 4-cores are 8 and high-end 4-cores are 9.
Phenom II X4 810 is a low-end 4-core that is missing some cache. This cache can be unlocked to turn it into a 910.

The second two numbers are a bit more random. For example, the highest end triple core is a 720 whereas the highest end quad core is a 965.

Phenom II CPUs to avoid:
Phenom II X4 920, 940 - these are AM2 chips and can only work with AM2 DDR2 motherboards. They are fully fledged quads but they are not AM3. However, all AM2 boards can accept AM3 processors because AM3 processors can work with both DDR2 and DDR3

Steppings:
The older stepping is the C2. C2s have ****ty IMCs (integrated memory controllers) and did not overclock very well. The CPU itself was fine but to gain overall system stability, sacrifices had to be made. My CPU is like that. The CPU itself can do 3.9GHz at 1.5V Prime95 Small-FFT stable (Small-FFT is CPU-only). The memory passes memtest at 6-5-6-17 timings, 1333MHz (which means it should work fine). However, to pass Prime95 Blend, which stresses your RAM and CPU and motherboard, I have to run my 720 at 3.7GHz with 1.55V and my memory at 7-8-7-22 timings because of the weak IMC.

The newer one is a C3. Some chips are guaranteed C3s. Phenom II X4 965s are C3s as are Phenom II X2 555s. The Phenom II X2 550 has two versions. The C3 with a locked multiplier (so, not a black edition), or a C2 with an unlocked multiplier (which used to be the flagship dual core until the 555). The only X4 955 left on Newegg is a C3.

Hope this helps.

Take all unlocking information with a grain of salt. I'm an unlock advocate but my 720 cannot boot unlocked. My sister's 720 can boot but is not stable enough to run the Start Menu, so the 4th core is truly unstable.
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« Reply #322 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:12:13 »
Alright, having trouble finding a mobo...


Is this one? It looks just like my slit-a's lol Purple!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECS-nforce-6-Phenom-Core-16X-PCI-Express-8GB-DDR2-/150412691057?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item23054b8671

They use ddr2?

Oh ok, it has to be a phenom 2?
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« Reply #323 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:18:23 »
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$110 on Ebay.

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$110 on Ebay (safer for your power supply).

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/charts/cpu.php?pid=69,70,71,76,77&tid=2

$110 on Ebay with a trivial overclock that can be done on the stock cooler unlike i7s (that I can walk you through via PMs).

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/charts/cpu.php?pid=69,70,71,76,77&tid=4

$110 on Ebay with that same overclock.

http://www.modreactor.com/english/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920/Page-4-Performance-Crysis-Warhead.html

$110 on Ebay, look at that mmmmm.

http://www.modreactor.com/english/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920/Page-5-Performance-S.T.A.L.K.E.R.-Clear-Sky.html

$110 on Ebay.

http://www.modreactor.com/english/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920/Page-7-Performance-Devil-May-Cry-4.html

$110 on Ebay.



I have to wonder that they show the c2q outperforming the i7 in this case?  I think I'd almost rather buy a c2q for my current systems than buy a whole new amd system.  These games tests are more about graphics cards again I would think, and the Phenoms seem to be more about competing with the c2q's than the i7.s..

I could upgrade my systems to c2q's for a couple hundred.
« Last Edit: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:21:24 by chimera15 »
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white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
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black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
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« Reply #324 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:18:54 »
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Alright, having trouble finding a mobo...


Is this one?


It'll do the job, but it's AM2+ rather than AM3. It will work, but not as well as an AM3 board, and you lose DDR3 support. If you have a pile of DDR2 this may be ok... personally, I'd sell the DDR2 (Prices are high at the moment), and invest in an AM3 board and some DDR3 RAM.
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« Reply #325 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:20:37 »
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I think I'd almost rather buy a c2q for my current systems than buy a whole new amd system.


LGA775 is a dead end. AM3 is likely to support the next generation of AMD chips as well as any future iterations of the current generation.

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« Reply #326 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:25:16 »
What motherboard and RAM do you have? If you can get your hands on a used Q9650 for cheap enough, that would probably be better than a Phenom II and i7 for gaming purposes. Q9650s are badass chips period. AM3 does have the longevity advantage over LGA775 (which is currently dead) and especially over the new boards because Intel are pricks, but hey, if a Q9650 can last you another 2 years if you throw it into your current PC, why not get that.

Keep in mind not all LGA775 motherboards can support 45nm C2Qs.

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« Reply #327 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:28:28 »
http://cgi.ebay.com/GIGABYTE-GA-MA790XT-UD4P-Motherboard-AMD-790X-AM3-DDR3-/170491257032?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item27b21220c8#ht_640wt_911

That's my motherboard. People hate on Gigabyte but in my opinion and in the opinions of everyone who owns one, it's a flagship AM3 motherboard. FSB beasts (although with black editions, FSBs don't matter).

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« Reply #328 on: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:45:01 »
It looks like what I'll try to do is get a 4890 or 260 and pop that into my current c2ds and see if that'll solve my current warrock problems or make any difference at all.   Hopefully in a few months, or keep watching for deals I'll go with an i7.   I also plan to work on getting the keyboard I'm making produced.   Hopefully by then I can either get a deal that equals phenom prices or I'll go with a phenom.  In the meantime I'll try to get my crap together and try to produce a portfolio that will get me hired as an illustrator, or some kind of designer. If I think it's good enough I'll say screw the computer and I'll try to go to Japan.
« Last Edit: Wed, 21 July 2010, 20:53:00 by chimera15 »
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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« Reply #329 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:26:27 »
I ended up going with this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120587946384&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

I've had some luck with refurbs lately, and looks like a reputable seller that sells a lot.

I didn't want to go with ati even if it meant a slightly better performance for the price cause I know from my laptops, and from the ati cards I had before I switched to nvidia that their drivers are always crap and usually they stop supporting anything they sell really quickly.
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
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« Reply #330 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:32:43 »
Did you have the ATI card in the same AMD machine that sucked 15 years ago? 2010 and my 2-year-old ATI card is still well supported and beats many of the new generation video cards. Too bad, you could have had the same. Also, it's not slightly better. Did you not read the reviews I linked, or the real-world experience I talked from? The 4890 is a viable high-end card today that rivals a GTX 285.

Whatever, the GTX 260 isn't a bad card. Do you know if the one you bought is the one with 192 cores or the updated one with 216?

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« Reply #331 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:35:17 »
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Did you have the ATI card in the same AMD machine that sucked 15 years ago? 2010 and my 2-year-old ATI card is still well supported and beats many of the new generation video cards. Too bad, you could have had the same. Also, it's not slightly better. Did you not read the reviews I linked, or the real-world experience I talked from? The 4890 is a viable high-end card today that rivals a GTX 285.

Whatever, the GTX 260 isn't a bad card. Do you know if the one you bought is the one with 192 cores or the updated one with 216?

It's the 192 one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127361


I have ati's in my laptops and it's a pain in the ass to get drivers for them.  I have a 2300hd in my gateway c-142xl  that was unsupported basically like a month after I bought it brand new, and a 2400hd in my tx2500z that I had to get hacked drivers for to get them to work at all with windows 7.

Yes I stopped buying ati like 10 years ago after the same thing happened to me.  A brand new card I bought from Compusa was unsupported a month or two after I bought it.
« Last Edit: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:38:59 by chimera15 »
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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« Reply #332 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:36:19 »
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http://cgi.ebay.com/GIGABYTE-GA-MA790XT-UD4P-Motherboard-AMD-790X-AM3-DDR3-/170491257032?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item27b21220c8#ht_640wt_911

That's my motherboard. People hate on Gigabyte but in my opinion and in the opinions of everyone who owns one, it's a flagship AM3 motherboard. FSB beasts (although with black editions, FSBs don't matter).


What's wrong with Gigabyte? I don't bother buying anything else.

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« Reply #333 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:38:57 »
1.) Ask question like you're actually curious
2.) See what everyone thinks is good
3.) Say that what everyone else thinks is good is actually garbage because of stupid reason X
4.) ?????????
5.) trollprofit
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« Reply #334 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:45:58 »
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What's wrong with Gigabyte? I don't bother buying anything else.


RMA problems as of late. They're on the OCN boycott list next to EVGA and XFX now (and MSI too for some reason) (I haven't used EVGA and I support the XFX boycott, in fact I led the damn thing). I'd still buy a Gigabyte board over anything. Asus? Don't make me laugh. Overrated. People who use Asus boards are the same people that think Nvidia is better than ATI and AMD is a third-world company that makes Intel knockoffs. MSI? Maybe. DFI? The only board maker I actually liked before it closed down.

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« Reply #335 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:46:13 »
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1.) Ask question like you're actually curious
2.) See what everyone thinks is good
3.) Say that what everyone else thinks is good is actually garbage because of stupid reason X
4.) ?????????
5.) trollprofit

I was seriously considering this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MSI-ATI-Radeon-HD-4890-HD4890-1-GB-R4890-Mint-Condition-/290455035307?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item43a0781dab



But the fact it's a lot less reputable seller, and the driver issues I've had in the past made me decide to stick to nvidia.  It was a toss up really.

I may still end up building a phenom in a month or two which I may decided to go with an ati if I can find some good deals.

This thread really helped me to see what's out there and bring me up to speed on what the options are.  Had I been left to my own and not started this thread I probably would have done 2x 9800gt's cause it's what I know.
« Last Edit: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:50:32 by chimera15 »
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white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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« Reply #336 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:52:52 »
So you seriously passed up a reference 4890 for $5 more than you bought a 192 GTX 260 for?

Sorry man but there's fanboyism and then there's outright idiocy. Really. I'll put it in simpler terms since you seem to blank out when the word "ATI" is mentioned: you passed up a GTX 285 to save $5 and go with a 192-core GTX 260.

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« Reply #337 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:55:28 »
I wouldn't compare the 4890 to a GTX285. It gets close in some comparisons, but it's closest to the GTX275.

But yeah, imagine passing up to a GTX275 1GB for $5 more than a GTX260 192 896MB.
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« Reply #338 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:57:12 »
Quote from: gr1m;205323
So you seriously passed up a reference 4890 for $5 more than you bought a 192 GTX 260 for?

Sorry man but there's fanboyism and then there's outright idiocy. Really. I'll put it in simpler terms since you seem to blank out when the word "ATI" is mentioned: you passed up a GTX 285 to save $5 and go with a 192-core GTX 260.

Yeah, a gtx 285 with crappy drivers, from a less reputable seller in used unknown condition.
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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« Reply #339 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 13:57:32 »
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RMA problems as of late. They're on the OCN boycott list next to EVGA and XFX now (and MSI too for some reason) (I haven't used EVGA and I support the XFX boycott, in fact I led the damn thing). I'd still buy a Gigabyte board over anything. Asus? Don't make me laugh. Overrated. People who use Asus boards are the same people that think Nvidia is better than ATI and AMD is a third-world company that makes Intel knockoffs. MSI? Maybe. DFI? The only board maker I actually liked before it closed down.


I had two different model ASUS motherboards that died on me in the same way. What ****e.

Never had any issues with Gigabyte boards. And they're usually well priced and have good features/build quality.

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« Reply #340 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:01:41 »
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I wouldn't compare the 4890 to a GTX285. It gets close in some comparisons, but it's closest to the GTX275.

But yeah, imagine passing up to a GTX275 1GB for $5 more than a GTX260 192 896MB.


I've taken a chance tons of times on ati and always been unhappy with my decision, so it's going to take a lot for me to decide to buy one of their cards again.  I still put up with them in laptops because they're still better than intel graphics, and that's the only reason.
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
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black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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« Reply #341 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:03:47 »
Quote from: gr1m;204955
"AMD is from the same people who make GeForce and Asus mother boards. So they make A lot of money to begin with so they don't need more. Don't worry."

The sad reality is that AMD has been losing too much money to even be able to compete with a pimple on Intel's ass. Intel, by contrast, is expanding. So much so that when I'm done with my EE degree, I'm definitely going to try and get a job at Intel.

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« Reply #342 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:06:28 »
So at the end of the day:

You still bought a shoddy power supply
You still bought a GTX 260
You're still going to buy i7

I'm really wondering why I bother. I suppose I can blame a bit of it on you too. Why bother making a help thread if you know everything?

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« Reply #343 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:09:58 »
Quote from: gr1m;205335
So at the end of the day:

You still bought a shoddy power supply
You still bought a GTX 260
You're still going to buy i7

I'm really wondering why I bother. I suppose I can blame a bit of it on you too. Why bother making a help thread if you know everything?

Sides it wasn't $5, it was $15 with shipping.

I didn't buy a shoddy power supply, it's really excellent,
I would have bought sli'd 9800's instead got a 260
And I probably will buy an i7 unless I get a really really good deal on a phen2 if I decide to build a full computer at all, which probably won't happen cause I'll probably use the money to go to Japan after I graduate.
« Last Edit: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:12:57 by chimera15 »
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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« Reply #344 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:13:17 »
X7 900W isn't excellent, just solid.
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« Reply #345 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:16:44 »
Quote from: gr1m;205320
RMA problems as of late. They're on the OCN boycott list next to EVGA and XFX now (and MSI too for some reason) (I haven't used EVGA and I support the XFX boycott, in fact I led the damn thing). I'd still buy a Gigabyte board over anything. Asus? Don't make me laugh. Overrated. People who use Asus boards are the same people that think Nvidia is better than ATI and AMD is a third-world company that makes Intel knockoffs. MSI? Maybe. DFI? The only board maker I actually liked before it closed down.


Really? Jesus, what the hell is left out there to buy?? Good call on asus, over-rated is the right term. Not that I would avoid them like the plague (I have run asus boards with no issues) but their satisfaction among the communities I have frequented (granted, Im not really into the hardware scene these days) is luke warm at best. They just seem to have their name out there everywhere.
I recall when I built my old x2 system, asus boards with nforce (cant recall the series) had tonnes of issues with RAM support. I think I ended up with a biostar in that one (has been solid, actually).
For my upcoming build (phenom II), all I have been looking at are gigabyte. Seem well received at ncix based on real users comments.
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« Reply #346 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:18:56 »
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;205341
X7 900W isn't excellent, just solid.

Well it's excellent for me, especially for the price I paid. It's my first modular and over 750w psu. But like you said, it's not shoddy which is what he was saying.
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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« Reply #347 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:21:24 »
Quote from: gr1m;205335


I'm really wondering why I bother. I suppose I can blame a bit of it on you too. Why bother making a help thread if you know everything?


meh, I learned a thing or two (I don't game, so notice how I didn't chime in with my two cents on video cards. I care more about 2d than 3d, and haven't run windows in god knows how long) about the latest in overpriced graphics cards ;)
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« Reply #348 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:41:56 »
Quote from: gr1m;205335
So at the end of the day:

You still bought a shoddy power supply
You still bought a GTX 260
You're still going to buy i7

I'm really wondering why I bother. I suppose I can blame a bit of it on you too. Why bother making a help thread if you know everything?


Okay first of all, you need to learn manners and stop criticizing products when someone says it works well for them. Just because YOU think it's bad or not "the best", doesn't mean you have to enforce it.

BECAUSE the product works well for whomever is using it, they can say it's excellent as it gets the job done well.
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« Reply #349 on: Thu, 22 July 2010, 14:48:23 »
Quote from: EverythingIBM;205331
Intel sacks employees over 50. Really horrible company to work with -- it's easy to tell from their business structure.

Almost every company does that.  It's so they don't have to pay benefits. It's total age discrimination. In Japan they don't even care, they simply don't hire anyone after 35, and it's accepted as the norm.
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white with rubber damper(cream)+clicky springs: 2x modified siig minitouch kb1903 1x modified siig minitouch kb1948
white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
rainbow test boards:  mck-84sx