Author Topic: Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED) (Read 390569 times)

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #1000 on:** Tue, 24 January 2012, 16:59:38 »

Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;497853

Not sure if this was already suggested or not but what about a thinner aluminum case for this similar to the Vortex Pure?

I think this would be an excellent suggestion for Vortex. The case they're making for the pure is generic to both the Poker and the Pure, and there would be a much larger market to produce a generic tenkeyless case for.

There's a steel TKL case interest check, but no final prototypes yet. Still hard to say if it will take off, but its worth keeping an eye on:
Interest-check-Metal-case-for-TKL-Filcos/page14

litster · « **Reply #1001 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 02:08:55 »

I tried to put on a marketing hat, and see what feature list I could come up with. Some of the features of Phantom are new since we started the project.

Supports vintage Cherry double shot, laser, and dye sub keycaps

1.5x Ctrl and Alt vintage Cherry keycaps (PHANSI and PHISO plate options)
With 1.5x modifiers, you can also use Cherry’s 7x spacebars
Supports centered-stem and offset-stem Capslock (also from vintage Cherry Keyboards)
Also support modern keyboard layout with 1.25x Ctrl and Alt modifiers (PHANSIWIN and PHISOWIN plate options)

Supports both Costar and Cherry stabilizers
Supports in-switch LED at Capslock and Scroll Lock locations, as well as Filco style LED locations between PrintScrn-ScrollLock-Break and Insert-Home-PageUp
Plate design allows Cherry MX switch top removal without de-soldering the switch first

Perfect for easy switch lubing, repair, or modding
Excluding switches with in-switch LED

Supports 5 extra keys between 6-pack and arrow keys (case modification required)
Supports 6KRO over USB with current Teensy firmware

potentially NKRO over USB in the future with new Teensy firmware

All keys can be remapped via firmware source code changes (currently a recompile of source is required)
LED brightness adjustable in firmware source code
Fits inside Filco Tenkeyless cases

PLU cases could also work

Community support on Geekhack.org and Deskthority.net

Am I missing anything?

riffautae · « **Reply #1002 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 11:06:27 »

Other potentials with the new firmware

Multiple layouts via switching
Fn style extra keys
Media/power keys
Virtual mouse!

Macros are something I am looking at. Some sort of key intercept framework to make it easier to add features. Also we have plenty of eeprom so it wouldn't be that hard to load the layouts from that instead of hard coding them.

As a side note, the only thing I think that would make this even cooler would be a more egro layout. Even just moving the top alpha keys so they are half offset from the next row down rather then 1/4 offset. Not for this group buy of course, but it would be cool if there was enough interest later for an ergo phantom

TheProfosist · « **Reply #1003 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 11:41:32 »

as I need the special plate when I find someone to make it what thickness do I ask for again was it 1/16" ?

litster · « **Reply #1004 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 12:14:31 »

Yes, 1/16 inch.

7bit · « **Reply #1005 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 12:25:00 »

Quote from: hazeluff;497701

If you're talking about R4 GB, that ones just a mess. This ones moving on properly.

What makes you thing I'm incapable of messing the this up too?

hazeluff · « **Reply #1006 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 12:46:23 »

Quote from: 7bit;498758

What makes you thing I'm incapable of messing the this up too?

Its always possible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy's_law

litster · « **Reply #1007 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 13:46:01 »

A new invoice has been sent to your email address. You should be getting it very shortly if you haven't received it already. If you don't receive it later today, please check that you did include an email address in your order PM to PHANTOM. If you didn't, please PM PHANTOM with your email address in the message body. If you did include your email address in your order but don't receive your invoice later today, please let me know.

In the invoice, there is instruction to submit your snail mail mailing address for shipment. Please follow the instruction to submit your mailing address.

Please also double check your ordered items. Thanks.

demik · « **Reply #1008 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 14:17:27 »

Got mine, will pm info when I get home

digitalleftovers · « **Reply #1009 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 17:35:50 »

So, in this latest mail, my request for MX Greens came back with a pretty reasonable figure (in euros). Does that mean a source was found?

litster · « **Reply #1010 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 17:57:47 »

Quote from: digitalleftovers;499016

So, in this latest mail, my request for MX Greens came back with a pretty reasonable figure (in euros). Does that mean a source was found?

It all depends on 7bit's switch-Fu. Availability and pricing could still be changed. No news is good news for now.

Forin · « **Reply #1011 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 18:20:43 »

As I recently bought Filco and keycaps for it, I can't afford this Phantom, but I don't need a crystal ball to know that I will regret this in the future.

It is possible to make a keyboard with right ALT placed more in the center than ISO, with PH7BIT, isn't it?(narrower space).

litster · « **Reply #1012 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 19:02:10 »

Added higher res picture of the front and back of PCB to the first post. It is shrunk down to 1/16 of its original size, but it is still pretty high res :-) It is pretty amazing to look at, in that it can support so many variations. Look at all the holes...

riffautae · « **Reply #1013 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 19:07:41 »

It looks like you put the extra function key special holes in after all! This means any stem could break and its an easy repair right?

[edit] are you sure you have enough holes around the right alt?

litster · « **Reply #1014 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 19:24:17 »

Quote from: riffautae;499071

It looks like you put the extra function key special holes in after all! This means any stem could break and its an easy repair right?

[edit] are you sure you have enough holes around the right alt?

The 4 holes on the PCB to allow for unclipping the top switch case for each switch wasn't necessary after all. See this youtube video on how to open up the switch with PrinsValium's Special Phantom Mounting Plate design(TM). The magic is all on the mounting plate. The holes on the PCB was the extra insurance.

[video=youtube;HysRQnJiupQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HysRQnJiupQ[/video]

mtl · « **Reply #1015 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 20:50:16 »

Are MXDARKBLUE switches available?

litster · « **Reply #1016 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 21:16:20 »

Quote from: mtl;499174

Are MXDARKBLUE switches available?

I believe it was mystical and not available for order, and it has been removed from the price list.

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom

mtl · « **Reply #1017 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 22:28:51 »

Thanks litster.. Still chasing the dream.

F u r u y á · « **Reply #1018 on:** Wed, 25 January 2012, 22:51:06 »

Quote from: 7bit;448105

Get the 7BIT layout and never ever worry about stabilisers again!

The advantages:
- You don't have a rediculously large anachronistic space bar, just a modern 1.5 units space bar at the position of your choice!

haha. that's true and I have never thought about it.

F u r u y á · « **Reply #1019 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 03:22:18 »

Will you provide this: adapter for Filco cable?

It would be nice if you provide it so that we wouldn't need to buy the parts and build it on our own.

litster · « **Reply #1020 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 03:49:46 »

Quote from: F u r u y á;499388

Will you provide this: adapter for Filco cable?

It would be nice if you provide it so that we wouldn't need to buy the parts and build it on our own.

Hi Furuya. Sorry, no plan to make this available at this time. Not sure how much demand it would have. If there is a lot of demand, and if the parts are easy to find on digikey (probably, as PrinsValium got his part from mouser I think) we could add that to our big order to digikey. I would also love to be able to find some place to buy a Filco-like cable.

bpiphany · « **Reply #1021 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:41:22 »

It would be really sweet if there are receptacles that fit the Molex/Filco plug, that is possible to just crimp onto a cable instead of the through hole solder ones I got. But there are 10000's different receptacles/plugs at mouser and I don't really know where to start looking... But those receptacles are from mouser, and the strip board is nothing fancy. The pitch on the strip board is 2.54mm and the receptacle is 2mm so a little bit of bending is required but it's not a lot with only five leads.

alaricljs · « **Reply #1022 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 08:33:38 »

Quote from: PrinsValium;499422

It would be really sweet if there are receptacles that fit the Molex/Filco plug,

When I went through the JST catalog of matching parts the only receptacles were PCB mount. I expect the Molex version to have the same limitation. Here's the PDF.

litster · « **Reply #1023 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 03:21:23 »

Kits include the following:
1 PCB (includes 2 white LEDs and2 resistors)
1 Plate
1 Teensy (includes 1 40-pin pin header)
100 switches
100 diodes
4 2x stabilizers for ANSI or 3 2x stabilizers for ISO or 0 for PH7BIT
1 7x or 1 6.25x stabilizer set for spacebar or 0 for PH7BIT

Pricing will be the same as if you order them separately. Finally pricing is not completely locked yet. 7bit will adjust pricing in his script later when we finalize it.

7bit · « **Reply #1024 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 03:52:25 »

If someone experienced that he sent an order but got something totally different, please contact me!

mtl · « **Reply #1025 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 06:18:36 »

Does the Phantom fit Filco v1 cases, v2 cases or both? Not sure if there's a difference. Thanks.

alaricljs · « **Reply #1026 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 08:15:16 »

There's no difference in the cases between revs of Filco

byFd · « **Reply #1027 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:09:55 »

about how much is a total kit?
also i don't need anything extra if i order a kit right? (besides case and caps)

also is there someone who can/will do assembly in EU?

alaricljs · « **Reply #1028 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:13:40 »

According to the OP Half-Saint is in EU willing to do assembly. And the kit contains everything you need except caps and case, correct.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #1029 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:19:51 »

I can do Assembly and ship to the EU contact me in my subforum or via pm if interested.

Sojik · « **Reply #1030 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 11:20:08 »

I want to buy but I'm still trying to figure out how fancy I want to go. The 7bit layout seems like a good idea but is it too extreme? Is anyone else going to use this layout and have their own ideas on how they're going to layout their keys other than the example in the wiki?

TheProfosist · « **Reply #1031 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 11:42:26 »

Quote from: Sojik;500698

I want to buy but I'm still trying to figure out how fancy I want to go. The 7bit layout seems like a good idea but is it too extreme? Is anyone else going to use this layout and have their own ideas on how they're going to layout their keys other than the example in the wiki?

I have a layout that took me a bit to work out take a look at the thread in my subforum.

hazeluff · « **Reply #1032 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 11:48:02 »

I'm going to be using a Ansi layout, but use the "7bit" right side.

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litster · « **Reply #1033 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 16:28:03 »

Great idea to have the media keys there!!!

litster · « **Reply #1034 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 16:30:46 »

Here is picture of the backside of the PCB, with interesting areas highlighted. I also highlighted diode locations that are no the same as the majority ones. Need to make sure your diodes are at the right polarity. Check it out.

Bandwidth warning! Giant 2MB picture!

hashbaz · « **Reply #1035 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 17:39:18 »

At least one of my extra 7bit keys will be middle mouse button, so I can paste-click under Linux without touching the mouse.

hazeluff · « **Reply #1036 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:00:29 »

Quote from: litster;500983

Here is picture of the backside of the PCB, with interesting areas highlighted. I also highlighted diode locations that are no the same as the majority ones. Need to make sure your diodes are at the right polarity. Check it out.

Bandwidth warning! Giant 2MB picture!

Oh hmm... There are two LED_A and LED_B. Are they in parallel?

tsangan · « **Reply #1037 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:08:22 »

love the layout hazeluff, but I'm waiting for litster's acrylic case so gotta stick with 1.5x WIN version

hazeluff · « **Reply #1038 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:16:33 »

Quote from: tsangan;501060

love the layout hazeluff, but I'm waiting for litster's acrylic case so gotta stick with 1.5x WIN version

I Love those cases too. The look so beautiful. But it's a bit expensive for a case to me. Also I like my number pad. The only reason I went for the phantom board was cos you could do 7Bit layout. I may get one of his cases for the hell of it if it weren't over say $50-60.

Or

I may DYI my own one.

Or

I may check out some Acrylic crafters back in Hong Kong. I'm pretty sure they can slap me together something similar for a good price. My mom had a store for a while and had Acrylic display shelves and they were pretty nice. So I'll see.

Or

Cardboard case!

Just one thing I wanna ask, It doens't have to be 1.5x Win does it to work with litsters case, does it? It should fit any as long as you dont have those 5 keys above the arrows?

litster · « **Reply #1039 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:19:12 »

Quote from: hashbaz;501031

At least one of my extra 7bit keys will be middle mouse button, so I can paste-click under Linux without touching the mouse.

Paste-click? Does Ctrl-V not work in Linux?

litster · « **Reply #1040 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:21:57 »

Quote from: tsangan;501060

love the layout hazeluff, but I'm waiting for litster's acrylic case so gotta stick with 1.5x WIN version

1.5x WIN version? PHANSI uses 1.5x modifiers. PHANSIWIN uses 1.25x modifiers. Terminologies overloaded. :-)

litster · « **Reply #1041 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:25:19 »

Quote from: hazeluff;501067

Just one thing I wanna ask, It doens't have to be 1.5x Win does it to work with litsters case, does it? It should fit any as long as you dont have those 5 keys above the arrows?

Right. It is just a rectangular cut out for the main cluster. What's on the front row doesn't matter as long as you have switches and keycaps to fill up the whole row.

tsangan · « **Reply #1042 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:29:54 »

Quote from: litster;501073

1.5x WIN version? PHANSI uses 1.5x modifiers. PHANSIWIN uses 1.25x modifiers. Terminologies overloaded. :-)

The old terminology was easier haha whenever I see PHANSIWIN I think 1.5x WIN, but yes I meant the PHANSI version

Can I technically get the PH7BIT but make the PHANSI layout and just keep all the other spots switchless?

hazeluff · « **Reply #1043 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:37:03 »

Quote from: tsangan;501083

The old terminology was easier haha whenever I see PHANSIWIN I think 1.5x WIN, but yes I meant the PHANSI version

Can I technically get the PH7BIT but make the PHANSI layout and just keep all the other spots switchless?

I don't see why not.

But the one the thing I've wondered is, is it still possible to put in a long spacebar like the one for PHANSI.

hashbaz · « **Reply #1044 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:41:52 »

What I'm wondering is if the bottom row of the 7bit plate is compatible (or near-compatible) with any other layouts. Could I fit a standard 1.25x-modifier bottom row on a 7bit Phantom?

hazeluff · « **Reply #1045 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:44:33 »

Quote from: hashbaz;501099

What I'm wondering is if the bottom row of the 7bit plate is compatible (or near-compatible) with any other layouts. Could I fit a standard 1.25x-modifier bottom row on a 7bit Phantom?

TheProfosist is doing that.

You can but it'll leave a small gap right at the ends of the row.

Also 1000!

tsangan · « **Reply #1046 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:45:33 »

Quote from: hashbaz;501099

What I'm wondering is if the bottom row of the 7bit plate is compatible (or near-compatible) with any other layouts. Could I fit a standard 1.25x-modifier bottom row on a 7bit Phantom?

I think they fit 1.5x and not 1.25x from looking at the image

RiGS · « **Reply #1047 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 18:48:31 »

@litster, any chance you can take a high def picture of a single switch mounted in that plate? I wonder if there is any visible gap near the switch what leaves the pcb exposed.

hazeluff · « **Reply #1048 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:02:06 »

Oh I want to ask you for some feedback on my layout.

I have that Fn key on the bottom Mod row. But I don't really need it since I'll be using numlock to swap between the layers of my "numpad".

What should I replace it with (image and function)?

litster · « **Reply #1049 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 19:06:15 »

Quote from: RiGS;501104

@litster, any chance you can take a high def picture of a single switch mounted in that plate? I wonder if there is any visible gap near the switch what leaves the pcb exposed.

I can take a picture. I have a yet-to-be-mounted PH7BIT plate. But I am not sure if I understand what you want me to shoot. Can you give me more description?

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Author Topic: Phantom Custom Keyboard Group Buy (CLOSED) (Read 390569 times)