Soulfree914, I have no previous problems with you, but from what you have said so far (and this has nothing what so-ever to do with me) I really do not like you. I considered writing a lot here, but decided against it. There is no need for the anger you have brought here, please take it to this alternative forum you speak off.
That's exactly what I was trying to do. No anger, no negativity, before Krogenar came in and reignited something that was already settled.
Maybe my approach was wrong with some bad choice of words? I don't know, please enlighten me. I was just trying to make a simple discussion. Most ppl were reasonable on how they replied to my post, and it really helped me understand where other folks are coming from.
But that guy was intolerable as to what he was saying and how he was insulting me, period.
Don't know why u wouldn't like me from what I said. Please send me (PM) that long writing of yours that u were planning to write here.
I would love to discuss things with you, share my perspectives on various communities and group buys, etc. and listen from u too.
Thanks for defending me jdcarpe, but I don't even think this is a Western or non-Western issue; I was just trying to define (or have someone explain) the boundaries of so-called "gifts" given to the group buy leaders. And to be totally honest, I initially took the $6 GH keys, $2 gupgup key, and the sorting fee as "extra stuff" (either working costs or partial donations with suspicious intentions). So, yes I was being a bit over-cautious after receiving that unclear invoice (the sorting fee was quite clear, but were the rest really that clear to everyone?), since there are many other fellow Koreans (some are newbies) ordering here too. After some clarification, I understood the situation and was asssured that there was nothing much to worry about since they would get rid of the $6 GH key cost if u request for it.
But then I saw how many orders there were and as you multiply that number by $4, it became a big number although maybe still not that huge of an amount. So I thought if this becomes a trend in GH, where folks keep increase the gift little by little, it can become out of control and all that extra cost falls down to the newbies that want keycaps badly and the group buy leaders that can charge however much they want for their effort.
But then, one person mentioned even THAT is OK since ppl can stay away if they don't agree to the gift amount. His point was well taken and I thought I would respect those rules (or one of the rules) that have been established here through many trials, discussions, and debates. Based on the assumptions that such rule will be well monitored by folks, especially older members around here, I thought it will be fine.
So, what's left to talk about?
Please move on with the paypal payments.
If anyone has remaining issues with me or what I've said, please PM me. We can talk, make a heated discussion or whatever but I want to stop posting on here where they need to continue with the group buy proceedings.