60% boards - what's the attraction?

[Air tree]

60% means more room on the desk for a mouse.

Nothing worse than trying to spin around to the left, and the mouse hits the side of the larger keyboard.

If you're stuck on a tiny desk with little to no available space than a 60% sized keyboard makes sense.  If you have a 3 x 6 meter desk then it's ludicrous to have a tiny 60%, instead any 104 key is highly desired.

I would say 87 key is the way to go even then. Unless you use the num pad ALOT.

Even though i have quite a large desk i'm getting a HHKB just because i like 60% keyboards.

[Linkbane]

60% means more room on the desk for a mouse.

Nothing worse than trying to spin around to the left, and the mouse hits the side of the larger keyboard.

If you're stuck on a tiny desk with little to no available space than a 60% sized keyboard makes sense.  If you have a 3 x 6 meter desk then it's ludicrous to have a tiny 60%, instead any 104 key is highly desired.

I would say 87 key is the way to go even then. Unless you use the num pad ALOT.

Even though i have quite a large desk i'm getting a HHKB just because i like 60% keyboards.

Yeah, I would say that it's not using the largest possible keyboard that you can, it's using one that you're comfortable with. I'd actually be pretty interested in trying a 60% to be honest, but so far TKL is serving as a good form factor for me.

[Fullcream]

I Just got my first 60% and I'm very attracted to it. Because it is small.

[bhtooefr]

So, um, guys... I just reactivated my Geekhack account to reply here. (Even though Matias is on Deskthority, everything talking about the 60% pointed over here, so...)

Consider this a vote for Univers 57 Condensed Oblique. And, if you can get the keycap profile right, go for the Apple //c and IIGS aesthetic (not the L-shaped enter, but the general aesthetic works IMO):



So, I'm guessing based on it having a big right shift and all the arrow keys accessible without Fn, it's got horizontal arrow keys? Fine by me, I grew up with that and am used to them (I actually do a fair bit of writing on my //c with AppleWorks), but I could see other people having problems. I'm hoping it's not the approach the Apple ///, the Mac Plus, and the ISO PowerBooks used of an L-shaped arrow block, or widened by having an inverted T like the Laptop Pro or the Leopold FC660 series (because that defeats the point of a 60%).

[hasu]

Cassie prototype keyboard looks great, want to get my hands on it.

[bhtooefr]

The problem with the Cassie design is that the edge keys, especially the corner ones, are fixed in layout, no moving keys around.

[TacticalCoder]

If you're stuck on a tiny desk with little to no available space than a 60% sized keyboard makes sense.  If you have a 3 x 6 meter desk then it's ludicrous to have a tiny 60%, instead any 104 key is highly desired.

It certainly doesn't make much sense for right-handed people who have a regular mouse and a regular keyboard to have to skip the arrows cluster and then skip the numpad to reach for the mouse, no matter if they have a 18 x 12 meter desk in a 100000 square meter house or not 

Not to mention that "mod / fn" key + ijkl or wasd or esdf beats having to move your hands to the arrows cluster any day, no matter how "close" it is.

It's precisely these kind of things that make a big part of the attraction for 60% boards: it's about minimizing hand movements, not about maximizing space.

All you need to do is look at all the people posting their (physical) desktops in the various threads on the subject: there are a lot of (right-handed) people with big desks and 60% keyboards.

[ktownhero]

Been trying to get my head around why people like 60% keyboards so much.

Is it more than just the size?

Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End.

Are they more popular with PC users than Mac?  Or are they more a Linux thing?

What makes a great 60% keyboard?

I like them because I use vi for the majority of my work day, so I have little need for the extra keys and having the escape key closer is nicer.  I do like having arrow keys if I have the option though, which is why I really like my Leopold 66 key Topre board.

[Britney Spears]

It's precisely these kind of things that make a big part of the attraction for 60% boards: it's about minimizing hand movements, not about maximizing space.

All you need to do is look at all the people posting their (physical) desktops in the various threads on the subject: there are a lot of (right-handed) people with big desks and 60% keyboards.

My sentiments exactly. I have a big desk at work and I went from full size to TKL to a 60% layout.

[domoaligato]

For me it is better for gaming because my mouse is closer to the keyboard. I use a qck+ and it takes up a lot of space.

[Canious]

I never really understood the attraction myself, personally I would take the TKL over the 60% any day

[Linkbane]

I never really understood the attraction myself, personally I would take the TKL over the 60% any day

Doesn't really make too much sense to have a 60% in my opinion, a TKL is already pretty small, enough to fit in a small backpack easily.
If you can't bring a TKL, you probably can't bring a laptop..

[BlackWidowMan777]

I never really understood the attraction myself, personally I would take the TKL over the 60% any day

Doesn't really make too much sense to have a 60% in my opinion, a TKL is already pretty small, enough to fit in a small backpack easily.
If you can't bring a TKL, you probably can't bring a laptop..

'If you can't bring a TKL, you probably can't bring a laptop'

+1

T-shirt worthy

[Pacifist]

I never really understood the attraction myself, personally I would take the TKL over the 60% any day

Doesn't really make too much sense to have a 60% in my opinion, a TKL is already pretty small, enough to fit in a small backpack easily.
If you can't bring a TKL, you probably can't bring a laptop..

what if you need to bring both?

[Linkbane]

'If you can't bring a TKL, you probably can't bring a laptop'

+1

T-shirt worthy

 

Doesn't really make too much sense to have a 60% in my opinion, a TKL is already pretty small, enough to fit in a small backpack easily.
If you can't bring a TKL, you probably can't bring a laptop..

what if you need to bring both?

Both should fit in my experiences. My 15 inch laptop is a tiny bit longer than my TK (1 key wider than TKL), and in my (not large) backpack I can fit my keyboard (even in box), laptop, mice, etc. together without issue.

[BlackWidowMan777]

I never really understood the attraction myself, personally I would take the TKL over the 60% any day

Doesn't really make too much sense to have a 60% in my opinion, a TKL is already pretty small, enough to fit in a small backpack easily.
If you can't bring a TKL, you probably can't bring a laptop..

what if you need to bring both?

That's his point: people bring 60% to put on top of laptop. But any bag that can fit a laptop can mostly fit a TKL.

Hence 60% - what's the attraction? as tenkeyless you at least have arrow keys.

So, if you're gonna have to muck around with F-layers you might as well have 40%. Smallfry plus space-Fn.

[Oobly]

A lot of laptops nowadays are smaller than a TKL, at least mine is, so a 60% board makes sense.

Also, a 60% is the same as a full size board for most typing, everything is in the same place, including numbers and symbols. When you have to really reach for other keys (F-keys) or move your hand position (Arrows, edit and numpad) you may as well use a layer and keep your home row position (F-keys on top row, embedded numpad on right, edit and arrows on left perhaps), so 60% is ideal, IMO.

I am starting to like smaller and smaller boards and would love to try a 40%, but I suspect it will be a little too much work on the function layers to be really productive for me, although I love using my 48-key ergo board, so who knows?

As an aside, although I am very used to the normal arrows and edits area on a full size or TKL, I quite like the idea of using ESDF as arrows, W as home, R as end, T as PgUp, G as PgDn, maybe A as del on a 60%.

[Linkbane]

A lot of laptops nowadays are smaller than a TKL, at least mine is, so a 60% board makes sense.

Also, a 60% is the same as a full size board for most typing, everything is in the same place, including numbers and symbols. When you have to really reach for other keys (F-keys) or move your hand position (Arrows, edit and numpad) you may as well use a layer and keep your home row position (F-keys on top row, embedded numpad on right, edit and arrows on left perhaps), so 60% is ideal, IMO.

I am starting to like smaller and smaller boards and would love to try a 40%, but I suspect it will be a little too much work on the function layers to be really productive for me, although I love using my 48-key ergo board, so who knows?

As an aside, although I am very used to the normal arrows and edits area on a full size or TKL, I quite like the idea of using ESDF as arrows, W as home, R as end, T as PgUp, G as PgDn, maybe A as del on a 60%.

Could you show me which 60% you use? Because 60% is the furthest departure from standard layout that exists other than 40%, and I'd be surprised to find one having everything in the same place. It couldn't have arrows, but perhaps it's just a block shape with all the base keys?

[spiceBar]

A lot of laptops nowadays are smaller than a TKL, at least mine is, so a 60% board makes sense.

Also, a 60% is the same as a full size board for most typing, everything is in the same place, including numbers and symbols. When you have to really reach for other keys (F-keys) or move your hand position (Arrows, edit and numpad) you may as well use a layer and keep your home row position (F-keys on top row, embedded numpad on right, edit and arrows on left perhaps), so 60% is ideal, IMO.

I am starting to like smaller and smaller boards and would love to try a 40%, but I suspect it will be a little too much work on the function layers to be really productive for me, although I love using my 48-key ergo board, so who knows?

As an aside, although I am very used to the normal arrows and edits area on a full size or TKL, I quite like the idea of using ESDF as arrows, W as home, R as end, T as PgUp, G as PgDn, maybe A as del on a 60%.

Could you show me which 60% you use? Because 60% is the furthest departure from standard layout that exists other than 40%, and I'd be surprised to find one having everything in the same place. It couldn't have arrows, but perhaps it's just a block shape with all the base keys?

I cannot answer for him, but right now I'm using an HHKB with the SpaceFN layout. It's a 60% (actually it's a little bit less) and it does all that a full size keyboard can do. I may not be able to type numbers as fast as on a full size, but for anything else I'm not slower.

The HHKB is on top of my Macbook Air and I'm drinking a Cappuccino in a MacDonald's as I write this.

[yjfknt]

I use 60% to save space so my desk feels cleaner. I can still get all the functions that I need. I picked KBT Pure Pro instead of Poker because I needed the arrow key and I'm loving the layout after I got used to all these 1.0 modifiers.

[epzy]

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

[Linkbane]

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

wat

[ctbear]

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

That is a bold statement. I can imagine the 6 pack, but the arrow keys? Not even once in your life (coupled with the fact that you own multiple keyboards with those keys)?
I try to use vim mode in pretty much everything I use (IDEs, browser, shell) and it's more natural to me than arrow keys. But still I have to use the arrow keys from time to time for different things.

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

wat

+1

[hasu]

The HHKB is on top of my Macbook Air and I'm drinking a Cappuccino in a MacDonald's as I write this.

Nice. You no doubt look like a geek there
And I can predict you need this hack or Bluetooth mod!

[epzy]

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

That is a bold statement. I can imagine the 6 pack, but the arrow keys? Not even once in your life (coupled with the fact that you own multiple keyboards with those keys)?
I try to use vim mode in pretty much everything I use (IDEs, browser, shell) and it's more natural to me than arrow keys. But still I have to use the arrow keys from time to time for different things.

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

wat

+1

Wut? What on earth should I use my arrow keys for and F-keys for? I have a mouse.

[adhoc]

What I'm really liking is the fact I don't need to move my entire arm to switch from mouse to keyboard, but only my wrist.

[epzy]

Oh, and the reason why I have some TKL keyboards, and not just 60% keyboards is because there isn't exactly a lot of keyboards to choose from in the 60% nordic layout market. Ansi doesn't feel right for me and actually let me correct myself; I've used F1, F2, F3 for WoW. Not that I need to bind them on my F-keys though.

[ctbear]

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

That is a bold statement. I can imagine the 6 pack, but the arrow keys? Not even once in your life (coupled with the fact that you own multiple keyboards with those keys)?
I try to use vim mode in pretty much everything I use (IDEs, browser, shell) and it's more natural to me than arrow keys. But still I have to use the arrow keys from time to time for different things.

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

wat

+1

Wut? What on earth should I use my arrow keys for and F-keys for? I have a mouse.

If you point and click 100% of the time even in text editors, then I apologize for making any assumptions about your usage pattern. But if that's the case then I would strongly recommend using your keyboard more, and you can thank me later.

[epzy]

Thanks, but no thanks

[Linkbane]

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

That is a bold statement. I can imagine the 6 pack, but the arrow keys? Not even once in your life (coupled with the fact that you own multiple keyboards with those keys)?
I try to use vim mode in pretty much everything I use (IDEs, browser, shell) and it's more natural to me than arrow keys. But still I have to use the arrow keys from time to time for different things.

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

wat

+1

Wut? What on earth should I use my arrow keys for and F-keys for? I have a mouse.

If you point and click 100% of the time even in text editors, then I apologize for making any assumptions about your usage pattern. But if that's the case then I would strongly recommend using your keyboard more, and you can thank me later.

This in its entirety. I don't know what you're thinking if you're attempting to use your mouse to select things. but you obviously don't use keyboards much if you don't even use the nav keys.

[yjfknt]

The HHKB is on top of my Macbook Air and I'm drinking a Cappuccino in a MacDonald's as I write this.

Nice. You no doubt look like a geek there
And I can predict you need this hack or Bluetooth mod!

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Is there a guide on switching the location of the usb port?

[epzy]

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

That is a bold statement. I can imagine the 6 pack, but the arrow keys? Not even once in your life (coupled with the fact that you own multiple keyboards with those keys)?
I try to use vim mode in pretty much everything I use (IDEs, browser, shell) and it's more natural to me than arrow keys. But still I have to use the arrow keys from time to time for different things.

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

wat

+1

Wut? What on earth should I use my arrow keys for and F-keys for? I have a mouse.

If you point and click 100% of the time even in text editors, then I apologize for making any assumptions about your usage pattern. But if that's the case then I would strongly recommend using your keyboard more, and you can thank me later.

This in its entirety. I don't know what you're thinking if you're attempting to use your mouse to select things. but you obviously don't use keyboards much if you don't even use the nav keys.

Using your keyboard a lot =/= using nav keys. What would i use those keys for? Typing, gaming, browsing, neither requires those keys, at all.

[spiceBar]

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

That is a bold statement. I can imagine the 6 pack, but the arrow keys? Not even once in your life (coupled with the fact that you own multiple keyboards with those keys)?
I try to use vim mode in pretty much everything I use (IDEs, browser, shell) and it's more natural to me than arrow keys. But still I have to use the arrow keys from time to time for different things.

"Arrow keys would seem to be a problem, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.  You also sacrifice PgUp, PgDn, Home, and End."

I've never used any of those keys in my life, hence why I got myself a 60% board. It's not something that is optimal for everything imo, like MMOs for example, but the fact that the keyboard is so small makes it a really cool keyboard for me at least.

wat

+1

Wut? What on earth should I use my arrow keys for and F-keys for? I have a mouse.

If you point and click 100% of the time even in text editors, then I apologize for making any assumptions about your usage pattern. But if that's the case then I would strongly recommend using your keyboard more, and you can thank me later.

This in its entirety. I don't know what you're thinking if you're attempting to use your mouse to select things. but you obviously don't use keyboards much if you don't even use the nav keys.

Leave him alone. In the first week when people learn to use a computer, they generally do not use these keys. Home, End, PgUp and PgDn are for advanced users.

[epzy]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

[spiceBar]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

I think you understand it was irony.

You are on a keyboard enthusiasts forum and you are almost bragging that you have never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in your entire life? Seriously?

It's like posting on a sports cars forum that you only use the first and second gears and have never felt any need for the other ones.  )

[epzy]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

I think you understand it was irony.

You are on a keyboard enthusiasts forum and you are almost bragging that you have never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in your entire life? Seriously?

It's like posting on a sports cars forum that you only use the first and second gears and have never felt any need for the other ones.  )

Almost bragging that I've never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in my entire life? Are you out of your mind? It's the reason I like 60% keyboards, because I don't feel the need to have those keys. Not gonna have this "discussion" LOL, actually the dumbest **** I've ever seen.

[Linkbane]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

I think you understand it was irony.

You are on a keyboard enthusiasts forum and you are almost bragging that you have never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in your entire life? Seriously?

It's like posting on a sports cars forum that you only use the first and second gears and have never felt any need for the other ones.  )

Almost bragging that I've never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in my entire life? Are you out of your mind? It's the reason I like 60% keyboards, because I don't feel the need to have those keys. Not gonna have this "discussion" LOL, actually the dumbest **** I've ever seen.

Trash talking members who are pointing out your behavior which is distasteful to almost everyone is a poor idea, I must say. Please calm yourself and realize that his point is entirely valid. Bragging about not doing anything just makes you seem incredibly full of it.

Leave him alone. In the first week when people learn to use a computer, they generally do not use these keys. Home, End, PgUp and PgDn are for advanced users.

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

[BlackWidowMan777]

Not once in my entire life have I ever used the 'a' key so my perfect board would have 86-keys.

edit: not once in my 'a'-key break-key life.

[terran5992]

Not once in my entire life have I ever used the 'a' key so my perfect board would have 86-keys.

edit: not once in my 'a'-key break-key life.

Not once did a key break on me

[SpAmRaY]

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

Don't be too hard on yourself then...

[BlackWidowMan777]

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

Don't be too hard on yourself then...

Don't be to harsh on your hard on?

I suggest MechLube for the space bar calling the shift squeaky.

[demik]

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

Don't be too hard on yourself then...

oh, i get it! nice one.

[Linkbane]

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

Don't be too hard on yourself then...

Touche.

[Nixietube]

switching to a 60% actually made me use the six pack keys more. sounds dumb but i used one of my bottom switches to convert the win key into another fn key and so my left pinky uses that fn key and my right hand stays where it is to use the fn layer six pack. i dont know why the fn layer turns me more on than the actual keys but be it one way or another i would never want to miss those keyfunctions on a keyboard.

[terran5992]

switching to a 60% actually made me use the six pack keys more. sounds dumb but i used one of my bottom switches to convert the win key into another fn key and so my left pinky uses that fn key and my right hand stays where it is to use the fn layer six pack. i dont know why the fn layer turns me more on than the actual keys but be it one way or another i would never want to miss those keyfunctions on a keyboard.

Six pack Keys?

[adhoc]

Well I honestly do not use home and end buttons on windows a whole lot either. In terminal, however it's very useful.

[epzy]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

I think you understand it was irony.

You are on a keyboard enthusiasts forum and you are almost bragging that you have never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in your entire life? Seriously?

It's like posting on a sports cars forum that you only use the first and second gears and have never felt any need for the other ones.  )

Almost bragging that I've never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in my entire life? Are you out of your mind? It's the reason I like 60% keyboards, because I don't feel the need to have those keys. Not gonna have this "discussion" LOL, actually the dumbest **** I've ever seen.

Trash talking members who are pointing out your behavior which is distasteful to almost everyone is a poor idea, I must say. Please calm yourself and realize that his point is entirely valid. Bragging about not doing anything just makes you seem incredibly full of it.

Leave him alone. In the first week when people learn to use a computer, they generally do not use these keys. Home, End, PgUp and PgDn are for advanced users.

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

You know you're the one being obnoxious right? Maybe you can't see it because of your ignorance, hell do I know.

So here's some of your posts.

"My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do." Thinking you are better than anyone evidence and admitting to being obnoxious.
"This in its entirety. I don't know what you're thinking if you're attempting to use your mouse to select things. but you obviously don't use keyboards much if you don't even use the nav keys" Implying that I don't use my keyboard a lot because I don't use the nav keys. Your logic is flawed.
"wat" That's what you said when I explained why I like 60% kb's because I said I never use the 6-pack keys etc.
"I'm assuming you would know, you pathetic little wanker. Paying $5 of your parents' hard earned money must be really difficult for you, good thing that we can be nice to people far less fortunate and hoping to afford a $10 keyboard rather than $250 by making them work at a school instead of learning" Calling him a "pathetic little wanker", really? Oh well, I know you're only 16 so you have time to grow.

You seem like a likeable guy. New to mechanical keyboards but knows everything about them none the less. :^)

Now, stop posting if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic at hand. Not sure why you love to derail threads so much.

[spiceBar]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

I think you understand it was irony.

You are on a keyboard enthusiasts forum and you are almost bragging that you have never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in your entire life? Seriously?

It's like posting on a sports cars forum that you only use the first and second gears and have never felt any need for the other ones.  )

Almost bragging that I've never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in my entire life? Are you out of your mind? It's the reason I like 60% keyboards, because I don't feel the need to have those keys. Not gonna have this "discussion" LOL, actually the dumbest **** I've ever seen.

Trash talking members who are pointing out your behavior which is distasteful to almost everyone is a poor idea, I must say. Please calm yourself and realize that his point is entirely valid. Bragging about not doing anything just makes you seem incredibly full of it.

Leave him alone. In the first week when people learn to use a computer, they generally do not use these keys. Home, End, PgUp and PgDn are for advanced users.

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

You know you're the one being obnoxious right? Maybe you can't see it because of your ignorance, hell do I know.

So here's some of your posts.

"My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do." Thinking you are better than anyone evidence and admitting to being obnoxious.
"This in its entirety. I don't know what you're thinking if you're attempting to use your mouse to select things. but you obviously don't use keyboards much if you don't even use the nav keys" Implying that I don't use my keyboard a lot because I don't use the nav keys. Your logic is flawed.
"wat" That's what you said when I explained why I like 60% kb's because I said I never use the 6-pack keys etc.
"I'm assuming you would know, you pathetic little wanker. Paying $5 of your parents' hard earned money must be really difficult for you, good thing that we can be nice to people far less fortunate and hoping to afford a $10 keyboard rather than $250 by making them work at a school instead of learning" Calling him a "pathetic little wanker", really? Oh well, I know you're only 16 so you have time to grow.

You seem like a likeable guy. New to mechanical keyboards but knows everything about them none the less. :^)

Now, stop posting if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic at hand. Not sure why you love to derail threads so much.

OK, so back to the topic.

Maybe it's just a misunderstanding.

When you are in the middle of a line of text and you want to fix a typo at the beginning of the line, how do you move the cursor there?

Do you use the mouse? Do you keep the left arrow key pressed? Do you use another trick?

[epzy]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

I think you understand it was irony.

You are on a keyboard enthusiasts forum and you are almost bragging that you have never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in your entire life? Seriously?

It's like posting on a sports cars forum that you only use the first and second gears and have never felt any need for the other ones.  )

Almost bragging that I've never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in my entire life? Are you out of your mind? It's the reason I like 60% keyboards, because I don't feel the need to have those keys. Not gonna have this "discussion" LOL, actually the dumbest **** I've ever seen.

Trash talking members who are pointing out your behavior which is distasteful to almost everyone is a poor idea, I must say. Please calm yourself and realize that his point is entirely valid. Bragging about not doing anything just makes you seem incredibly full of it.

Leave him alone. In the first week when people learn to use a computer, they generally do not use these keys. Home, End, PgUp and PgDn are for advanced users.

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

You know you're the one being obnoxious right? Maybe you can't see it because of your ignorance, hell do I know.

So here's some of your posts.

"My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do." Thinking you are better than anyone evidence and admitting to being obnoxious.
"This in its entirety. I don't know what you're thinking if you're attempting to use your mouse to select things. but you obviously don't use keyboards much if you don't even use the nav keys" Implying that I don't use my keyboard a lot because I don't use the nav keys. Your logic is flawed.
"wat" That's what you said when I explained why I like 60% kb's because I said I never use the 6-pack keys etc.
"I'm assuming you would know, you pathetic little wanker. Paying $5 of your parents' hard earned money must be really difficult for you, good thing that we can be nice to people far less fortunate and hoping to afford a $10 keyboard rather than $250 by making them work at a school instead of learning" Calling him a "pathetic little wanker", really? Oh well, I know you're only 16 so you have time to grow.

You seem like a likeable guy. New to mechanical keyboards but knows everything about them none the less. :^)

Now, stop posting if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic at hand. Not sure why you love to derail threads so much.

OK, so back to the topic.

Maybe it's just a misunderstanding.

When you are in the middle of a line of text and you want to fix a typo at the beginning of the line, how do you move the cursor there?

Do you use the mouse? Do you keep the left arrow key pressed? Do you use another trick?

Yeah, I've always used the mouse in those situations.

[mooswa]

I've had a PC for 11 years, but ok - you know best. =DDD

I think you understand it was irony.

You are on a keyboard enthusiasts forum and you are almost bragging that you have never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in your entire life? Seriously?

It's like posting on a sports cars forum that you only use the first and second gears and have never felt any need for the other ones.  )

Almost bragging that I've never used Home, End, PgUp and PgDn in my entire life? Are you out of your mind? It's the reason I like 60% keyboards, because I don't feel the need to have those keys. Not gonna have this "discussion" LOL, actually the dumbest **** I've ever seen.

Trash talking members who are pointing out your behavior which is distasteful to almost everyone is a poor idea, I must say. Please calm yourself and realize that his point is entirely valid. Bragging about not doing anything just makes you seem incredibly full of it.

Leave him alone. In the first week when people learn to use a computer, they generally do not use these keys. Home, End, PgUp and PgDn are for advanced users.

My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do.

You know you're the one being obnoxious right? Maybe you can't see it because of your ignorance, hell do I know.

So here's some of your posts.

"My bad, spicebar. Sometimes I get too harsh toward people who have no idea what they're doing but think they do." Thinking you are better than anyone evidence and admitting to being obnoxious.
"This in its entirety. I don't know what you're thinking if you're attempting to use your mouse to select things. but you obviously don't use keyboards much if you don't even use the nav keys" Implying that I don't use my keyboard a lot because I don't use the nav keys. Your logic is flawed.
"wat" That's what you said when I explained why I like 60% kb's because I said I never use the 6-pack keys etc.
"I'm assuming you would know, you pathetic little wanker. Paying $5 of your parents' hard earned money must be really difficult for you, good thing that we can be nice to people far less fortunate and hoping to afford a $10 keyboard rather than $250 by making them work at a school instead of learning" Calling him a "pathetic little wanker", really? Oh well, I know you're only 16 so you have time to grow.

You seem like a likeable guy. New to mechanical keyboards but knows everything about them none the less. :^)

Now, stop posting if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic at hand. Not sure why you love to derail threads so much.

OK, so back to the topic.

Maybe it's just a misunderstanding.

When you are in the middle of a line of text and you want to fix a typo at the beginning of the line, how do you move the cursor there?

Do you use the mouse? Do you keep the left arrow key pressed? Do you use another trick?

Yeah, I've always used the mouse in those situations.

I must say you are pretty unique, at least I haven't met people who do it this way.  But there is no need to argue about personal preferences.  What would be interesting is to understand why you are using your mouse in this situation.  Have you tried to analyse your preference?  How did it come to be?  I am sure you have noticed people around you used different technique.  Again to each it's own, but it would be nice to understand you better.