JTK Sophomore GB - 100% shipped - Form in OP for any missing or damaged keys

[BunnyLake]

Hey Bunny, quick question. I've recently compared the sliders on the HHKB vs Type-S and discovered that the Type-S sliders are a bit longer, probably to compensate for the foam ring. I guess the JTK sliders are based on the standard HHKB, right?

That is correct they are based on standard hhkb sliders


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[polentA]

Hi all, I just received my orange mods. Hooray!

First of all, thank you Bunnylake for the grind getting these out at this time of year. Again, props.

But to be honest, unfortunately I'm rather... underwhelmed.

Lettering is pretty inconsistent in thickness and the keys have a green haze around the letters. Also greenish ink swirls and dots on the caps. My old JTK white/purple set was of a much better quality tbh...

I've included some pics but these are very potatoe, I can only take pictures with a 6 year old 8mp camera at the moment. Let's just say it's much more visible with the naked eye.

Black / grey ones are GMK for comparison sake.

Am I nitpicking here or is this truly not very good at all?

I think a similar issue was brought up in an r/mk post the other day. See the picture below, specifically comparing the "C" and "N" keys.



I have been satisfied with my JTK BoW and WoB sets, even though there were some legend issues with those sets too. Even on GMK sets, there are sometimes thickness issues with some of the letters, most notably on the "B" key.  The only thing that bothers me is that (with this particular colorway) this set came out pink when the preview was more magenta. I was really hoping for a black and magenta set, however, the set I paid for was clearly listed as"Pink and Black" on the order form, so it's actually my fault 

This still going to be a great set, and thanks again for all the hard work Bunny What a great way to start off the new year.

[BunnyLake]

Hi all, I just received my orange mods. Hooray!

First of all, thank you Bunnylake for the grind getting these out at this time of year. Again, props.

But to be honest, unfortunately I'm rather... underwhelmed.

Lettering is pretty inconsistent in thickness and the keys have a green haze around the letters. Also greenish ink swirls and dots on the caps. My old JTK white/purple set was of a much better quality tbh...

I've included some pics but these are very potatoe, I can only take pictures with a 6 year old 8mp camera at the moment. Let's just say it's much more visible with the naked eye.

Black / grey ones are GMK for comparison sake.

Am I nitpicking here or is this truly not very good at all?

I think a similar issue was brought up in an r/mk post the other day. See the picture below, specifically comparing the "C" and "N" keys.

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I have been satisfied with my JTK BoW and WoB sets, even though there were some legend issues with those sets too. Even on GMK sets, there are sometimes thickness issues with some of the letters, most notably on the "B" key.  The only thing that bothers me is that (with this particular colorway) this set came out pink when the preview was more magenta. I was really hoping for a black and magenta set, however, the set I paid for was clearly listed as"Pink and Black" on the order form, so it's actually my fault  :)

This still going to be a great set, and thanks again for all the hard work Bunny :thumb: What a great way to start off the new year.

Thank you for the feedback

To address a couple of the concerns mentioned

As jtk is new to manufacturing he is learning as he goes, one of the things he has taken from doing these recent sets is the difference between seeing a colour chip, and how those colours then look when actually manufactured particularly when they are then paired with other colours, and as a result he has said for all future sets he will make colour samples before gb period

With regards to some legend irregularities, each moulds contains many keys, by making changes to one legend, it has a knock on effect across all the others, he took changes this round as far as he could before risking pushing it to the point of damaging or wasting the entire moulds

This round there have been very drastic changes to the profile of the keys, the underside of the caps have been completely reworked and a big update was made to the overall feeling of the set and typing experience

Finishing off the last few irregularities in the legends will be done before next round starts but there comes a time where you have to make a decision to produce, and we were log past that time with this set

When making comparisons with these sets please remember this is the second ever production run for jtk, it is a brand new manufacturer at a price point considerably below that of the keys people are comparing them to, there are some minor issues still being worked out, but as someone currently using these keys on his daily driver, some very minor legend irregularities aside, the price to quality ratio right now I think is outstanding, and I know it is being worked on and improved further as we speak, so in future changes are ready prior to starting a buy, rather than during it


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[Suembeaux]

I have been satisfied with my JTK BoW and WoB sets, even though there were some legend issues with those sets too. Even on GMK sets, there are sometimes thickness issues with some of the letters, most notably on the "B" key.  The only thing that bothers me is that (with this particular colorway) this set came out pink when the preview was more magenta. I was really hoping for a black and magenta set, however, the set I paid for was clearly listed as"Pink and Black" on the order form, so it's actually my fault 

This still going to be a great set, and thanks again for all the hard work Bunny What a great way to start off the new year.

I am now realizing the same thing with the lighter color pink. I hope it matches the Miami Nights Fugu I have (literally the only reason I bought the set hahah)

[pinkeyedcyclops]

I just ran and pulled 3 sets out for curiosities sake and couldn't find any keys under the standard lighting here where I could see anything like what you are experiencing there, however you are clearly experiencing it, I'd be happy to send you another set for cost of shipping and will also look at a bigger sample size tonight




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Bunnylake, thanks for taking the time to address this for me!

Yeah, that would be nice because the greening is defo there around and inside my letters. Too bad I can't get a better picture for you. Font thickness variation I can live with.
Also don't forget the extra orange spacebars I ordered please (made a ticket on ctrl io about that). :-p

I'll send you my paypal in a pm so you can invoice me shipping costs.

[pr0ximity]

the price to quality ratio right now I think is outstanding

QFT, I bought into this instead of switching to one of the numerous orange GMK buys because the plastics and molds JTK used on the Debut sets were totally on-par or surpassing GMK in terms of the keyfeel I was looking for at like a third of the price. Recent GMK sets have had too much texture on the caps for me, and JTK debut was buttery smooth. Pretty good deal, and a fair compromise trading perfect legends for price+performance.

[ArchDill]

That black and orange set is soooo tempting...

[Elrick]

That black and orange set is soooo tempting...

YES they are  .

BunnyLake is the Larry Flynt of Key-caps.  Every new discovery of fresh colour-ways gets every geekhacker hot under the collar for them.

True purveyor of Plastic delights that excites anyone on this Planet  .

[Suembeaux]

Got my first set in today. There are some things I have noticed. A few caps had scratches on them, not a big deal. The 2nd and 4th row caps do not play nice with the large LED's on my Ducky Shine 3. There are some legend thickness differences, I notice my "C" and "X" are thicker than most of the other legends. There is a bit of shine through inside the legends, but I am not concerned with that.

Fitment is perfect on Cherry stems, no worries about them falling off. The color is rich and beautiful. This accommodates every board I anticipate on owning. The spacebar is the dankest thing I've ever owned.

Overall this set is an incredible value and I can't wait to get the second set I ordered. Thanks Bunny for all your hard work, I think JTK will become a major player in the near future. I will be ready to buy more colorways as well.

Here are a couple pictures, none of which focus on the few faults of the set.

[iamtootallforthis]

Got my first set in today. There are some things I have noticed. A few caps had scratches on them, not a big deal. The 2nd and 4th row caps do not play nice with the large LED's on my Ducky Shine 3. There are some legend thickness differences, I notice my "C" and "X" are thicker than most of the other legends. There is a bit of shine through inside the legends, but I am not concerned with that.

Fitment is perfect on Cherry stems, no worries about them falling off. The color is rich and beautiful. This accommodates every board I anticipate on owning. The spacebar is the dankest thing I've ever owned.

Overall this set is an incredible value and I can't wait to get the second set I ordered. Thanks Bunny for all your hard work, I think JTK will become a major player in the near future. I will be ready to buy more colorways as well.

Here are a couple pictures, none of which focus on the few faults of the set.

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Damn that Keywok pairs perfectly with the set!

[fanman888]

Hey Bunny! I realize you're probably swamped with PMs right now. I messaged you before the break asking if you could hold my shipment until I message you again. I sent you a couple PMs but I'm assuming they're lost in your mailbox right now. Just wanted to let you know that you can ship my order now. Lemme know if you need my transaction ID number. Thanks! The pictures of people's sets look awesome 

[Elrick]

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They actually look like an authentic GMK set, can't really tell the difference between the two companies now they make the same keys in finish and colour.

If I was in Germany I would be freakin worried about JTK because there is now real competition here and that is always worrying for specialist manufacturers.

[maximm]

I just wish JTK would implement a 1,25 shift and ISO Enter =(

[kawasaki161]

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They actually look like an authentic GMK set, can't really tell the difference between the two companies now they make the same keys in finish and colour.

If I was in Germany I would be freakin worried about JTK because there is now real competition here and that is always worrying for specialist manufacturers.

What has being in Germany got to do with being worried about that? As long as you are a consumer and not the CEO of GMK there is nothing to worry about. In fact I'm glad that there finally is some competition that tries to break the GMK monopoly, this will lead to both parties improving their product and maybe even adjusting their prices.

[xondat]

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They actually look like an authentic GMK set, can't really tell the difference between the two companies now they make the same keys in finish and colour.

If I was in Germany I would be freakin worried about JTK because there is now real competition here and that is always worrying for specialist manufacturers.

What has being in Germany got to do with being worried about that? As long as you are a consumer and not the CEO of GMK there is nothing to worry about. In fact I'm glad that there finally is some competition that tries to break the GMK monopoly, this will lead to both parties improving their product and maybe even adjusting their prices.

It means if you're GMK (who are in Germany), you should be worried.

I agree with both of you though, I personally think it's better than GMK, so hopefully they keep pushing each others products up in quality.

[crj3012]

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They actually look like an authentic GMK set, can't really tell the difference between the two companies now they make the same keys in finish and colour.

If I was in Germany I would be freakin worried about JTK because there is now real competition here and that is always worrying for specialist manufacturers.

What has being in Germany got to do with being worried about that? As long as you are a consumer and not the CEO of GMK there is nothing to worry about. In fact I'm glad that there finally is some competition that tries to break the GMK monopoly, this will lead to both parties improving their product and maybe even adjusting their prices.

It means if you're GMK (who are in Germany), you should be worried.

I agree with both of you though, I personally think it's better than GMK, so hopefully they keep pushing each others products up in quality.

These are decent looking sets, but they are far from being close to GMK quality.

For one, some of the color mocks are no where near what the final products look like. Since JTK is still very new to the game, they do not have color chips to choose from, so it's kind of crap shoot as to what the final color of the set will be.

The legends on the JTK set appear to have gotten worse on this run as well.The thickness inconsistencies are extremely noticable and the "Q" caps that I have seen look really bad.

Given the price and stage of product development, I would say that these sets are still worth their price, but they are not close to GMK quality at this point IMO.

[kawasaki161]

It means if you're GMK (who are in Germany), you should be worried.

I agree with both of you though, I personally think it's better than GMK, so hopefully they keep pushing each others products up in quality.

These are decent looking sets, but they are far from being close to GMK quality.

For one, some of the color mocks are no where near what the final products look like. Since JTK is still very new to the game, they do not have color chips to choose from, so it's kind of crap shoot as to what the final color of the set will be.

The legends on the JTK set appear to have gotten worse on this run as well.The thickness inconsistencies are extremely noticable and the "Q" caps that I have seen look really bad.

Given the price and stage of product development, I would say that these sets are still worth their price, but they are not close to GMK quality at this point IMO.

Well, GMK also isn't exactly known for making great color mockups *cough* Sky Dolch *cough* Skeletor *cough*. But I can agree that especially the Pink and Black looked way different in the mockup.

The legends are really not great from what I've seen this run, but... did you see how clean the undersides of the caps are? That's insanely clean compared to GMKs stuff.
Imo if they fix the legend issues and get into an acceptable production rhythm this will beat GMK by a landslide.

The problems I've seen in the pics so far are:
F10-F12 too thin
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1u Fn janky looking
fraying on the Delete key
[{ too thick
] of the }] key seems to have pointy ends
E not rounded enough
W too thick
Q too thick and fraying
G very slightly too thick
F and J with bars too thick
fraying on K
Z X C B and M too thick
V a tad too thin and N a lot too thin

Seems like a lot, but the base is looking pretty strong right now, fix the legends and you have a huuuuuge GMK killer.

[crj3012]

It means if you're GMK (who are in Germany), you should be worried.

I agree with both of you though, I personally think it's better than GMK, so hopefully they keep pushing each others products up in quality.

These are decent looking sets, but they are far from being close to GMK quality.

For one, some of the color mocks are no where near what the final products look like. Since JTK is still very new to the game, they do not have color chips to choose from, so it's kind of crap shoot as to what the final color of the set will be.

The legends on the JTK set appear to have gotten worse on this run as well.The thickness inconsistencies are extremely noticable and the "Q" caps that I have seen look really bad.

Given the price and stage of product development, I would say that these sets are still worth their price, but they are not close to GMK quality at this point IMO.

Well, GMK also isn't exactly known for making great color mockups *cough* Sky Dolch *cough* Skeletor *cough*. But I can agree that especially the Pink and Black looked way different in the mockup.

The legends are really not great from what I've seen this run, but... did you see how clean the undersides of the caps are? That's insanely clean compared to GMKs stuff.
Imo if they fix the legend issues and get into an acceptable production rhythm this will beat GMK by a landslide.

The problems I've seen in the pics so far are:
F10-F12 too thin
Enter text too thin
1u Fn janky looking
fraying on the Delete key
[{ too thick
] of the }] key seems to have pointy ends
E not rounded enough
W too thick
Q too thick and fraying
G very slightly too thick
F and J with bars too thick
fraying on K
Z X C B and M too thick
V a tad too thin and N a lot too thin

Seems like a lot, but the base is looking pretty strong right now, fix the legends and you have a huuuuuge GMK killer.

Based on the little I know about doubleshot manufacturing, I believe getting consistent legends is a tougher task than you may realize. I guess we will see how JTK progresses during their third try.

While the GMK renders can be a little weird when it comes to colors, at least we have actual color chips for all their colors. That way you will know the true color of the caps. It sounds like JTK will be doing this in the future as well, so that's good.

The last, and may be most important thing, is GMK has a very structured production time. Their manufacturing processes are well defined and they they always make their deadlines (with the exception of Carbon which had a huge amount of orders). Once JTK makes their deadlines, then I think we can seriously talk about the two manufactures being on the same level.

[kawasaki161]

Well, GMK also isn't exactly known for making great color mockups *cough* Sky Dolch *cough* Skeletor *cough*. But I can agree that especially the Pink and Black looked way different in the mockup.

The legends are really not great from what I've seen this run, but... did you see how clean the undersides of the caps are? That's insanely clean compared to GMKs stuff.
Imo if they fix the legend issues and get into an acceptable production rhythm this will beat GMK by a landslide.

The problems I've seen in the pics so far are:
F10-F12 too thin
Enter text too thin
1u Fn janky looking
fraying on the Delete key
[{ too thick
] of the }] key seems to have pointy ends
E not rounded enough
W too thick
Q too thick and fraying
G very slightly too thick
F and J with bars too thick
fraying on K
Z X C B and M too thick
V a tad too thin and N a lot too thin

Seems like a lot, but the base is looking pretty strong right now, fix the legends and you have a huuuuuge GMK killer.

Based on the little I know about doubleshot manufacturing, I believe getting consistent legends is a tougher task than you may realize. I guess we will see how JTK progresses during their third try.

While the GMK renders can be a little weird when it comes to colors, at least we have actual color chips for all their colors. That way you will know the true color of the caps. It sounds like JTK will be doing this in the future as well, so that's good.

The last, and may be most important thing, is GMK has a very structured production time. Their manufacturing processes are well defined and they they always make their deadlines (with the exception of Carbon which had a huge amount of orders). Once JTK makes their deadlines, then I think we can seriously talk about the two manufactures being on the same level.

Oh, sorry, I never wanted to make it sound like that I think that it is an easy fix, doubleshot manufacturing is no easy process at these tolerances. I think the current level of JTK is impressive, especially considering SP and GMK both are built on the base of an old manufacturer whose tooling was made in a time where these products where a lot more important than they are now which made it a lot easier for them to spend a lot more time and money on R&D.

I completely agree on the production times and schedules part.

[Suembeaux]

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They actually look like an authentic GMK set, can't really tell the difference between the two companies now they make the same keys in finish and colour.

If I was in Germany I would be freakin worried about JTK because there is now real competition here and that is always worrying for specialist manufacturers.

What has being in Germany got to do with being worried about that? As long as you are a consumer and not the CEO of GMK there is nothing to worry about. In fact I'm glad that there finally is some competition that tries to break the GMK monopoly, this will lead to both parties improving their product and maybe even adjusting their prices.

It means if you're GMK (who are in Germany), you should be worried.

I agree with both of you though, I personally think it's better than GMK, so hopefully they keep pushing each others products up in quality.

These are decent looking sets, but they are far from being close to GMK quality.

For one, some of the color mocks are no where near what the final products look like. Since JTK is still very new to the game, they do not have color chips to choose from, so it's kind of crap shoot as to what the final color of the set will be.

The legends on the JTK set appear to have gotten worse on this run as well.The thickness inconsistencies are extremely noticable and the "Q" caps that I have seen look really bad.

Given the price and stage of product development, I would say that these sets are still worth their price, but they are not close to GMK quality at this point IMO.

This is my opinion as well. Correcting the legends on this set would put it side by side with GMK. The other factors are not as much of a concern for me. I can be very patient, as long as the product is high quality.

[Loft]

Extras still available via PM to Bunny?

[KetchyKech]

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Got a very limited amount of this set available

Black and deep red

Comes with 6 spacebars, 1800 support, full ansi + tsangan, lots of extras etc

Set is $ 70 and available to anyone with a sophomore order

Drop me a pm if you would like one

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I saw this wayyy to late --- Are there any left, Bunny ? / has anyone that secured one that they want to part with ?   PM me if so.

Got shipping notification a couple days ago! Excited!  :thumb:

edit: seems like theres not anymore on Bunnys side, le sigh

[Tobi45]

Those pics can't be real. After all that wait the legends look like THAT?
If this was MD I'd send them back, no doubt about it.
In addition to what has been said, the pg dn key looks like it's not centered and that E and N just can't pass QC. This is the quality I'd expect from a 20$ DS Vortex PBT set, but even that had better legends, even with the limitations of PBT.

After all the QC you did on the sliders, you're sending these out like that?

Yes, I'm freaking mad and if there is any way to get my money back I want to take it. Nearly 250$ and the keycaps look worse than the cheapest dyesubs on Taobao. This is beyond ridiculous. Imo. it's nothing short of an insult to compare GMK to this complete trainwreck.
Goddamn and I was actually looking forward to these.

[BunnyLake]

Those pics can't be real. After all that wait the legends look like THAT?
If this was MD I'd send them back, no doubt about it.
In addition to what has been said, the pg dn key looks like it's not centered and that E and N just can't pass QC. This is the quality I'd expect from a 20$ DS Vortex PBT set, but even that had better legends, even with the limitations of PBT.

After all the QC you did on the sliders, you're sending these out like that?

Yes, I'm freaking mad and if there is any way to get my money back I want to take it. Nearly 250$ and the keycaps look worse than the cheapest dyesubs on Taobao. This is beyond ridiculous. Imo. it's nothing short of an insult to compare GMK to this complete trainwreck.
Goddamn and I was actually looking forward to these.

Firstly I've never compared them to gmk, secondly I think you should see the keys yourself in person before passing judgement

At the time the gb went live it was stated clearly that these sets are a work in progress and we even posted pics of the previous sets for people to see real world legends

In the time that has passed huge improvements have been made to the set, and whilst I appreciate the feedback of others in this thread, I've had basically every set of jtk come through my hands, literally thousands and these new sets are drastically improved from the original, in feeling, usability, quality control and appearance

Whilst some may feel different based on a picture here or there, I have a huge basis for comparison and have got every set in person


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[BunnyLake]

As for a main update, I'm on the packing grind all night, a ton of sets I managed to drop off today, and I'll have either all or the majority dropped off tomorrow, if there are any I don't manage by tomorrow they will go out Saturday


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[xondat]

Those pics can't be real. After all that wait the legends look like THAT?
If this was MD I'd send them back, no doubt about it.
In addition to what has been said, the pg dn key looks like it's not centered and that E and N just can't pass QC. This is the quality I'd expect from a 20$ DS Vortex PBT set, but even that had better legends, even with the limitations of PBT.

After all the QC you did on the sliders, you're sending these out like that?

Yes, I'm freaking mad and if there is any way to get my money back I want to take it. Nearly 250$ and the keycaps look worse than the cheapest dyesubs on Taobao. This is beyond ridiculous. Imo. it's nothing short of an insult to compare GMK to this complete trainwreck.
Goddamn and I was actually looking forward to these.

did someone forget to put their contact lenses in this morning?

can you show us those cheap dyesubs you bought instead of these, so we can see what you have to compare to?

get them in person first, you're jumping to conclusions.

[Saiph]

if there is any way to get my money back I want to take it.

I'm sure you'll be able to find a buyer on mechmarket. You'll have to do some work but that's the risk with group buys.

[Tobi45]

Please take a look at that C and E key and tell me that the difference isn't HUGE, huge enough to see even without contact lenses. Pretty sure you can't find a single set on Taobao that has worse lettering issues.

But of course the legends thickness nearly doubling won't be a problem once I get this set in person.
Work in progress? The legends look way, way worse than in R1. A step back is not to be expected from a work in progress and they sure as fk should never get sent out like this.
Why am I, why is anyone, buying doubleshot keycaps? Because of the high contrast, low fray and the consistency. Failing that bad at this seems like a major mistake to me.

Yes, I'll probably have to sell these, which sucks. I expected way more and to be honest, I expected CTRLALT to not sent out a product as faulty as this.

Well, lesson learned I guess.

[BunnyLake]

Please take a look at that C and E key and tell me that the difference isn't HUGE, huge enough to see even without contact lenses. Pretty sure you can't find a single set on Taobao that has worse lettering issues.

But of course the legends thickness nearly doubling won't be a problem once I get this set in person.
Work in progress? The legends look way, way worse than in R1. A step back is not to be expected from a work in progress and they sure as fk should never get sent out like this.
Why am I, why is anyone, buying doubleshot keycaps? Because of the high contrast, low fray and the consistency. Failing that bad at this seems like a major mistake to me.

Yes, I'll probably have to sell these, which sucks. I expected way more and to be honest, I expected CTRLALT to not sent out a product as faulty as this.

Well, lesson learned I guess.

The legends are flat out not worse, there is nothing subjective or discussion about that, I know as a fact they aren't, so if they appear that way to you, then there is an issue with the picture or your point of reference

I want to be very clear in stating there are indeed legend issues, and that you have every right to not be satisfied with any purchase you make, however your opinion based on very limited evidence in this case I know to be factually inaccurate

These sets will be supported by jtk and issues will be rectified, but the vitriol you are speaking with is not necessary prior to you seeing the keys in person, and at that point I'd be more than happy to discuss with you issues you have with the set, which I'm sure you will still have, I'm not suggesting seeing them in person will be a magic fix, but I do know they aren't even close to the level you making out

I guess I should state, I really don't have a horse in this race, I do not take any money from jtk on these sets, I'm no more bias towards working with jtk than I am towards any other manufacturer I have dealt with, with the exception of I found is after care support to be outstanding and he is always very open and communicative to me, something I've found severely lacking with other manufacturers, but I have no more incentive to praise jtk than I do anyone else

Given the circumstances and the stage he's at, I'm very happy with the results, people are of course entitled to their opinions, but it's very hard to take criticism seriously from people that don't have the keys on hand yet, once they do, I can gather feedback, take that collectively to jtk, and look at options and resolutions moving forward


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[BunnyLake]

Packing progress so far tonight


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[Tobi45]

To me the C looks much, much worse than even the G of the old set. It looks so out of place, even more so than the E. But one thing I got to admit, the Pg Dn key wasn't centered in R1 either. In fact it looked exactly the same. But well, I guess work didn't progress fast enough to take care of such unnecessary things.

Anyway, I'll stop here, wait for my parcel and I bet you all of my order that I'll still wonder how JTK and CTRLALT thought it'd be okay to send out that C in the first place.

[BunnyLake]

To me the C looks much, much worse than even the G of the old set. It looks so out of place, even more so than the E. But one thing I got to admit, the Pg Dn key wasn't centered in R1 either. In fact it looked exactly the same. But well, I guess work didn't progress fast enough to take care of such unnecessary things.

Anyway, I'll stop here, wait for my parcel and I bet you all of my order that I'll still wonder how JTK and CTRLALT thought it'd be okay to send out that C in the first place.

You keep referencing my choice to send these out, what exactly is it you would have me do, refuse to send the sets out because the c legend is fractionally too thick

In person it really isn't nearly as bad as you are making out, and I'm not sure what you would have me do

If you think a legend or multiple legends need to be fixed, the best course of action would still be for me to fulfill the orders, and then requests fixes based on the feedback of the buyers

The alternative you seem to be suggesting is that I should refuse to fulfill orders at this stage

My role in leading this gb much like any other gb is to collect funds, order from the manufacturer, fulfill orders and then do my best to support the sets once that is complete

I'm not the manufacturer nor the quality control for them, if when I received the keys they weren't functional in anyway, obviously I would at that point elect to deal with the manufacturer prior to shipping to buyers, but I extensively tested these sets and they function beautifully, there are some small aesthetic issues with a few legends but I hardly think it would be justified for me to refuse to ship peoples orders because of that

I have a ton of keysets, from a huge range of manufacturers, and right now I have jtk on my daily driver, people aren't seeing that, that is my choice based on the quality, feel and appearance of the keys


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[Tobi45]

So why didn't you send out the sliders?
Because you found issues.
You communicated with JTK and ordered new, fixed versions.

For whatever reason though, you decided to deal differently with this issue.

But you sending out this stuff is only part of the issue. JTK actually thinking that this bloody mess would be acceptable sounds unbelievable to me.
Didn't he even send you samples halfway through? Did they cherrypick the caps back then? Or did they change the process later on, or did it just pass unnoticed? Because iirc. you weren't unhappy with those samples at all.

[BunnyLake]

So why didn't you send out the sliders?
Because you found issues.
You communicated with JTK and ordered new, fixed versions.

For whatever reason though, you decided to deal differently with this issue.

But you sending out this stuff is only part of the issue. JTK actually thinking that this bloody mess would be acceptable sounds unbelievable to me.
Didn't he even send you samples halfway through? Did they cherrypick the caps back then? Or did they change the process later on, or did it just pass unnoticed? Because iirc. you weren't unhappy with those samples at all.

You seem to be suffering from a huge amount of confirmation bias

I rejected the sliders because they weren't fit for purpose, whereas these sets function perfectly, and I don't share your opinion on the extent of the flaws on this set, and I'm basing my opinion on having actually seen and used the sets

I've also had a ton of feedback via both pm, email and on slack which has a much more active discussion and the majority of people with see in hand don't share your opinion, and the people who do have criticisms aren't anywhere close to what you are making out

You are basing most of your points off of assumptions, once again im suggest waiting to receive your set, then contacting me via pm with your feedback and critique, so we can have a proper discussion about it and rectify issues, rather than us waiting each other's time having a slagging contest




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[schoolbus]

So why didn't you send out the sliders?
Because you found issues.
You communicated with JTK and ordered new, fixed versions.

For whatever reason though, you decided to deal differently with this issue.

But you sending out this stuff is only part of the issue. JTK actually thinking that this bloody mess would be acceptable sounds unbelievable to me.
Didn't he even send you samples halfway through? Did they cherrypick the caps back then? Or did they change the process later on, or did it just pass unnoticed? Because iirc. you weren't unhappy with those samples at all.

Not a great comparison really.

The sliders functioning as sliders are a much more important CTQ than slight legends inconsistencies. If your Topre sliders are exceptionally scratchy or are angled... you know the entire selling point of having a Topre; it's going to be much more frustrating than slight legends inconsistencies which is an annoyance at best.

You can still use these keycaps, they're cheaper than any alternative and they provide identical functionality to the competition. Plus I don't think anyone would be able to notice on first glance until pointed it out (I didn't). Sure, we as customers would prefer and expect perfect legends and an absolutely perfect product but it's been communicated from the very beginning that this is a new venture that is starting out and as such there will be some growing pains. I don't think Bunnylake has ever communicated that these are yet expected to be 1:1 GMK.

All things considered I can't wait to receive mine.

[BunnyLake]

So why didn't you send out the sliders?
Because you found issues.
You communicated with JTK and ordered new, fixed versions.

For whatever reason though, you decided to deal differently with this issue.

But you sending out this stuff is only part of the issue. JTK actually thinking that this bloody mess would be acceptable sounds unbelievable to me.
Didn't he even send you samples halfway through? Did they cherrypick the caps back then? Or did they change the process later on, or did it just pass unnoticed? Because iirc. you weren't unhappy with those samples at all.

Not a great comparison really.

The sliders functioning as sliders are a much more important CTQ than slight legends inconsistencies. If your Topre sliders are exceptionally scratchy or are angled... you know the entire selling point of having a Topre; it's going to be much more frustrating than slight legends inconsistencies which is an annoyance at best.

You can still use these keycaps, they're cheaper than any alternative and they provide identical functionality to the competition. Plus I don't think anyone would be able to notice on first glance until pointed it out (I didn't). Sure, we as customers would prefer and expect perfect legends and an absolutely perfect product but it's been communicated from the very beginning that this is a new venture that is starting out and as such there will be some growing pains. I don't think Bunnylake has ever communicated that these are yet expected to be 1:1 GMK.

All things considered I can't wait to receive mine.

Thank you so much for this response, it mirrors my feelings on expectations and reality very well, I hugely appreciate any and all support, it's very easy to get sucked down and demotivated whilst you are in the middle of working on something and only focus on the negativity

I honestly welcome criticism and feedback, that's how this will become better, but I just want these to reach peoples hands, so they can make there own mind up without a negative bias and a preconception about flaws, which this isn't being allowed to do


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[Loft]

Anyone looking to "refund" their set I'll gladly buy it at cost + shipping to me! I think they look great, and the value is there.

New to GH but I've got a handful of confirmed trades on /r/MK ^_^

[Elrick]

I honestly welcome criticism and feedback, that's how this will become better, but I just want these to reach peoples hands, so they can make there own mind up without a negative bias and a preconception about flaws, which this isn't being allowed to do

I'm puzzled as well some people complaining yet never received them in their hands as of yet, what gives?

When their parcel arrives, they can break out an Electron Microscope and analyze each atom particle within the JTK cap but don't go having any fits when it has never been delivered to them.

Exactly like SP, when you get your paid for set you will ultimately have one or two caps not made right but guess what, Melissa sorts it out immediately.

We (us) need to be a little more patient in receiving these JTKs first before we start going into OCD shock in public like this.  Thus far there's been far less mistakes sent out by CTRL/ALT compared to SP and I'm an avid Key-cap collector for more than 7 years now.

[BunnyLake]

right good folks, gonna have to call it a night on packing because im disturbing the wife and little one too much, as of right now i have 22 orders left to pack plus extras orders

first thing tomorrow im gonna drop off everything i have packed here now, about 250 orders, then i have a hospital appointment for my son early afternoon, so ill almost certainly pack the last few remaining orders and extras orders tomorrow evening and drop off saturday morning

[SpAmRaY]

Thanks for all your efforts bunnylake so excited to get these caps.

[BunnyLake]

Thanks for all your efforts bunnylake so excited to get these caps.

yours left me this afternoon sir

looking forward to you getting them soon

[m1kehonch0]

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They actually look like an authentic GMK set, can't really tell the difference between the two companies now they make the same keys in finish and colour.

If I was in Germany I would be freakin worried about JTK because there is now real competition here and that is always worrying for specialist manufacturers.

What has being in Germany got to do with being worried about that? As long as you are a consumer and not the CEO of GMK there is nothing to worry about. In fact I'm glad that there finally is some competition that tries to break the GMK monopoly, this will lead to both parties improving their product and maybe even adjusting their prices.

It means if you're GMK (who are in Germany), you should be worried.

I agree with both of you though, I personally think it's better than GMK, so hopefully they keep pushing each others products up in quality.

I doubt GMK is worried. The sets they make for the community only represent a tiny portion of their business.


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[Butter]

Do we get a email when it shipped or it will show on the ctrlalt.io?

[Saiph]

Do we get a email when it shipped or it will show on the ctrlalt.io?

I got an email when mine shipped.

[fanman888]

Thanks for the hard work Bunny!

Can't wait to put this on my orange TriC build, though still waiting for LeandreN's GB stuff.

[Elrick]

first thing tomorrow im gonna drop off everything i have packed here now, about 250 orders, then i have a hospital appointment for my son early afternoon, so ill almost certainly pack the last few remaining orders and extras orders tomorrow evening and drop off saturday morning

You've done enough here Bunnyman, most normal people knock off from their workplace ages ago.

Hey, your son is going to do just fine.  Doctors were taking bids on me karking it when I was young so all those tossers at Royal Adelaide Hospital, it's an UP yours because I'm still here  .

[takonic]

anyone have some more pictures of Orange/Black set? theres a bunch of the red/white and pink/black/white ones already.

[BunnyLake]

just dorpped everything from last night and what i had left over from the last few days i didnt manage to ship yesterday off

that leaves me 22 orders still to pack and then just the extras orders

nearly there good folks

[BunnyLake]

Thanks for the hard work Bunny!

Can't wait to put this on my orange TriC build, though still waiting for LeandreN's GB stuff.

leandrens does amazing stuff, im positive itll be worth the wait, hes a guy im a big fan of

[Elrick]

just dorpped everything from last night and what i had left over from the last few days i didnt manage to ship yesterday off

that leaves me 22 orders still to pack and then just the extras orders

nearly there good folks

Got my shipping notice from our brilliant BunnyLake  .

The man always delivers, hoping that the bored Customs Parasites don't decide to pull my package aside for extra scrutiny, they really love me down there at Customs House.

First Key-set delivery for 2017, told ya it's going to be a ripper year in Key-cap Adoration  .

This is like giving my Mrs a huge Pearl Necklace on a Friday night, which is going to happen at around mid night  .