They could End Piracy TODAY

[tp4tissue]

If they used 60fps + 4k..

That would push disk size to ~400-600 GB per film...

That would only be 5-8 movies per 3TB harddrive  @ $90..

THat's $20-10 per movie..    in which case,   you might as well just buy the disk..


IDK why they're not pushing this sooner.. don't they like money?

[Melvang]

If they used 60fps + 4k..

That would push disk size to ~400-600 GB per film...

That would only be 5-8 movies per 3TB harddrive  @ $90..

THat's $20-10 per movie..    in which case,   you might as well just buy the disk..


IDK why they're not pushing this sooner.. don't they like money?

Lack of hardware to replay 4k resolution along with very limited options for connections that can handle the required bandwidth.  There are a couple but they are very unpopular on TV connections at the moment.  To my knowledge the only one is the new display port 1.4 iirc.

[noisyturtle]

Oh look everybody, tp4 is offering to buy us all 4k tele's

[tp4tissue]

They'd need to invest for sure..

but the tech is there.. and it's not like it'd be hard to put out new Tvs with a port..

High end is what drives consumer behavior..     


and It gives them a whole new set of hardware to sell people..

[Melvang]

They'd need to invest for sure..

but the tech is there.. and it's not like it'd be hard to put out new Tvs with a port..

High end is what drives consumer behavior..     


and It gives them a whole new set of hardware to sell people..

On top of that the film industry would have to adapt their cameras.  Plus, I am not sure the storage media for that amount of data density is economically viable with current tech.

[tp4tissue]

They'd need to invest for sure..

but the tech is there.. and it's not like it'd be hard to put out new Tvs with a port..

High end is what drives consumer behavior..     


and It gives them a whole new set of hardware to sell people..

On top of that the film industry would have to adapt their cameras.  Plus, I am not sure the storage media for that amount of data density is economically viable with current tech.

2 layers can do 300GB..  double sided can do 600GB..

Then make the drive a double sided reader.. so you don't have to flip disks..


The payoff is people can't steal your movies..


The whole reason, why piracy took off, is because drives got huge and cheap....

[noisyturtle]

but the tech is there.. and it's not like it'd be hard to put out new Tvs with a port..

See, I don't think it is yet. Just look how far HD TV technology came in only six years between 2002 (when HD TV's started to flood the market) and 2008. The biggest year probably being 2006 when 1080i and true flat-panel displays became the standard. I think the next big change will be when AMOLED technology is perfected and becomes affordable. The attraction of something that can run on a couple AA batteries for months while being a paper thin, high-definition, touchscreen device is far too great a leap forward in technology to be ignored and I would bet my left nut that's what will replace the LCD and Plasma screens of today.

This 4k technology is kinda like Bluray in that it won't be around for very long before something entirely new, cheaper, and better replaces it because those aforementioned technologies are merely better iterations of an already existing technology (i.e. DVD and LCD displays.) In Bluray's case it's going to be solid state media that replaces it. CDs will go the way of floppy's tapes and cartridges.

[HoffmanMyster]

Wait.  What's stopping us from just downsampling the movies?  We already do that.

[noisyturtle]

Wait.  What's stopping us from just downsampling the movies?  We already do that.

Also that. You will never stop pirates with file-size limits. That's just silly.

[tp4tissue]

Wait.  What's stopping us from just downsampling the movies?  We already do that.

But.. there's that itch.. that you're collecting NOT THE BEST STUFF... when you could afford it..

Who's actually proud of their 700mb movies collection when everyone started collecting DVD isos.

Then when Bluray isos were available,  the DVD iso people got left behind..

But.. all of this was only possible because harddrives got bigger and cheaper..


How do you stop this from going further...

[tp4tissue]

Wait.  What's stopping us from just downsampling the movies?  We already do that.

Also that. You will never stop pirates with file-size limits. That's just silly.

it's about having the best product at the cheapest price..


Piracy currently is the Best product @ the best price..  how ever much it costs to download and store..


If it's cheaper and better quality to BUY movies instead of downloading them..  Boom, end of piracy...


The LOW end is made up by netflix and stream services..   but it's the High end market that will drive the sale of   STUFF..  like TVs, 4k Players, Disk changers, HI FI receivers.. SPEAKERS..

[The Mad Professor]

If they used 60fps + 4k..

That would push disk size to ~400-600 GB per film...

That would only be 5-8 movies per 3TB harddrive  @ $90..

THat's $20-10 per movie..    in which case,   you might as well just buy the disk..


IDK why they're not pushing this sooner.. don't they like money?

1) Availability: 4K televisions and monitors just aren't prolific enough to be affordable to the average television watcher.

2) Uselessness: As the Hoff pointed out, downsampling movies is easy to do. Most people can't really tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, so 4K isn't gonna do anything for them.

3) The Bottom Line: The goal is to sell movies. If they put out movies exclusively in 4K and people can't afford to buy the hardware to watch them, then this is what they call financial suicide.

[tp4tissue]

If they used 60fps + 4k..

That would push disk size to ~400-600 GB per film...

That would only be 5-8 movies per 3TB harddrive  @ $90..

THat's $20-10 per movie..    in which case,   you might as well just buy the disk..


IDK why they're not pushing this sooner.. don't they like money?

1) Availability: 4K televisions and monitors just aren't prolific enough to be affordable to the average television watcher.

2) Uselessness: As the Hoff pointed out, downsampling movies is easy to do. Most people can't really tell the difference between 1080p and 720p, so 4K isn't gonna do anything for them.

3) The Bottom Line: The goal is to sell movies. If they put out movies exclusively in 4K and people can't afford to buy the hardware to watch them, then this is what they call financial suicide.

no one said   exclusively...


Just simply HAVING it available in 600gb format will crub piracy on the high end..  and drive high end equipment sale..

Then they take that money and make equipment cheaper.. and eventually Everyone will buy into 4k..


You're talking like the people that said No, DVD 's good enough, we don't need Bluray , because HD tvs are not proliferated enough..


That is m00t..   it's an eventuality..     but my point is ... they can make this happen overnight...

All this stuff is there... maybe 20 years ago.. they had to make new chips, etc etc...


We have processing power up the wahzoo nowadays..   Everything is already in place..

[jdcarpe]

New music albums are available on Spotify day and date with the CD/digital release. The movie and TV industry needs to change their business model. No one wants huge libraries of archived content, when they have perpetual access for a small monthly fee. Once you can get movies and TV series day and date with the DVD/BD/digital release on a subscription service, piracy will cease to exist.

[strict]

2 layers can do 300GB..  double sided can do 600GB..

Then make the drive a double sided reader.. so you don't have to flip disks..


The payoff is people can't steal your movies..


The whole reason, why piracy took off, is because drives got huge and cheap....

False.

Movie piracy on VHS was huge. Tons of people had those little descrambler boxes and did tape to tape copying all the time. Even more people copied broadcast to tape. People were pirating computer software using BBS's back when top of the line HDDs were measured in MB. Cassette tape and 8 track piracy was huge as well. At one point the RIAA claimed 8 track piracy was so bad it would kill the music industry.

[tp4tissue]

2 layers can do 300GB..  double sided can do 600GB..

Then make the drive a double sided reader.. so you don't have to flip disks..


The payoff is people can't steal your movies..


The whole reason, why piracy took off, is because drives got huge and cheap....

False.

Movie piracy on VHS was huge. Tons of people had those little descrambler boxes and did tape to tape copying all the time. Even more people copied broadcast to tape. People were pirating computer software using BBS's back when top of the line HDDs were measured in MB. Cassette tape and 8 track piracy was huge as well. At one point the RIAA claimed 8 track piracy was so bad it would kill the music industry.

I was refering specifically to movies and "Internet piracy"..

if you want to talk about the OLD stuff..

same issue..   storage became large, cheap and available.

Magnetic tapes became cheap.. and they allowed for LP recording which fit several movies onto one tape.... 

[Elrick]

I was refering specifically to movies and "Internet piracy"..

No worries they are already selling 6TB drives with an inclusion of 8TB coming around in the next couple of weeks.  Looking forward to getting 30TB drives in a couple of years then Hollywood will still lose out around my place  .

Totally ready for the future because the internet is here to stay, FREE and unmolested from Corporate Goons and their Ilk.

[godly_music]

You'll never stop pirates period. We live in a world so saturated with corporate power that really, nobody would ever feel bad for nicking his favourite albums and movies off the internet. Barring restrictive measures on who or what is allowed online. We're actually seeing those now being proposed again and again. The sad part is that even if they get shot down, it isn't much of a bother to simply try again. They're doing that dance with a lot of toxic legislature.

The sane solution would be to accept piracy as a thing that simply occurs and move on to create services that are so well-designed, people use them regardless. Steam is a prime example of this philosophy, even though it's not about piracy so much as it is about the pleasant-ification of DRM.

[Novus]

Piracy be immoral

[IvanIvanovich]

Wrong. If they wanted to greatly reduce piracy they would stop ripping us off and sell their **** for reasonable prices, like $2 for HD digital download without annoying DRM... released the same day as it is in theaters.

[tp4tissue]

Wrong. If they wanted to greatly reduce piracy they would stop ripping us off and sell their **** for reasonable prices, like $2 for HD digital download without annoying DRM... released the same day as it is in theaters.

um.. then no one would go to the theater...

[HoffmanMyster]

Wrong. If they wanted to greatly reduce piracy they would stop ripping us off and sell their **** for reasonable prices, like $2 for HD digital download without annoying DRM... released the same day as it is in theaters.

um.. then no one would go to the theater...

Yes they would.  People love going to theaters, they would definitely still go.  The numbers would drop, yes, but people who never would have gone and would have pirated the content will now purchase it as well, so you could realistically predict that the money spent would remain constant or potentially increase.  Of course there's no way to know.

[tp4tissue]

Wrong. If they wanted to greatly reduce piracy they would stop ripping us off and sell their **** for reasonable prices, like $2 for HD digital download without annoying DRM... released the same day as it is in theaters.

um.. then no one would go to the theater...

Yes they would.  People love going to theaters, they would definitely still go.  The numbers would drop, yes, but people who never would have gone and would have pirated the content will now purchase it as well, so you could realistically predict that the money spent would remain constant or potentially increase.  Of course there's no way to know.

Theater require LOTS of people to stay open..

We would see a dramatic reduction in movie goers if they can just watch stuff at home....

The reduction would mean, fewer and fewer theaters can remain open... the small ones will fold..


Then the perception of movie going will become a hassle.. 


What's the point of going to the movies... IF we can get the same quality at home..  with CLEAN chairs, and ANY FOOD you want..


AND ,, you can pause the movie to go to the bathroom..

AND if you're with ur' date..  You can pause to have sexy time...  then finish the movie later, tomorrow, or not at all..

[HoffmanMyster]

Theater require LOTS of people to stay open..

We would see a dramatic reduction in movie goers if they can just watch stuff at home....

The reduction would mean, fewer and fewer theaters can remain open... the small ones will fold..


Then the perception of movie going will become a hassle.. 


What's the point of going to the movies... IF we can get the same quality at home..  with CLEAN chairs, and ANY FOOD you want..


AND ,, you can pause the movie to go to the bathroom..

AND if you're with ur' date..  You can pause to have sexy time...  then finish the movie later, tomorrow, or not at all..

Both of our scenarios are plausible and we will never know which will happen until one of them happens.

[Lanx]

hello fellow foodsaver user, i find that the coffeevac is a better option than the food saver because it lets the co2 out and its less annoying to goto the food saver everytime you have to close it.
coffeevac

i grew up with piracy not being an issue or even thought of as bad, and should be allowed. heck my high school openly distributed pirated software my comp sci teacher didn't see it as an issue. our new computer had 1 copy of windows 95 for all 30 computers, the biggest hs in ny.

nope, just 1 cd with the key and just re-install when needed.

i remember when aol started offering unlimited internet instead of 3.99 / per hour or whatever. that was with 28.8 modems, a mp3 song took 30mins to download (4megs). then of course we all had to get the new 56k

it was 2 standards, either us robotics x2 56k or lucent (i think they were something else) 56k flex. most of us computer kids got the us robotics modem b/c all you had to do was buy a non x2 modem and just bios flash it to be x2 compatible. (or most of already had USR modems anyway since they were basically the standard)

then we'd all trade games or buy new games (so we'd have new stock) and trade those games for other games.

then when it got too crazy and we needed 39floppies, we all just got zip drives with 100mb capacity, pretty much the only reason why iomega was even in business.

right now tho, who has time for all that? itunes/amazon prime/hulu/netflix just makes it easy not to go through all that work.

[tp4tissue]

hello fellow foodsaver user, i find that the coffeevac is a better option than the food saver because it lets the co2 out and its less annoying to goto the food saver everytime you have to close it.
coffeevac

i grew up with piracy not being an issue or even thought of as bad, and should be allowed. heck my high school openly distributed pirated software my comp sci teacher didn't see it as an issue. our new computer had 1 copy of windows 95 for all 30 computers, the biggest hs in ny.

nope, just 1 cd with the key and just re-install when needed.

i remember when aol started offering unlimited internet instead of 3.99 / per hour or whatever. that was with 28.8 modems, a mp3 song took 30mins to download (4megs). then of course we all had to get the new 56k

it was 2 standards, either us robotics x2 56k or lucent (i think they were something else) 56k flex. most of us computer kids got the us robotics modem b/c all you had to do was buy a non x2 modem and just bios flash it to be x2 compatible. (or most of already had USR modems anyway since they were basically the standard)

then we'd all trade games or buy new games (so we'd have new stock) and trade those games for other games.

then when it got too crazy and we needed 39floppies, we all just got zip drives with 100mb capacity, pretty much the only reason why iomega was even in business.

right now tho, who has time for all that? itunes/amazon prime/hulu/netflix just makes it easy not to go through all that work.

Um...

install utorrent..

click

click

BLURAY.... <- Problem?




Consumable Media pricing is a tax on N00bs.. ? <- I know this sounds awful.. but realistically, that's what's happening.

[Puddsy]

what if you just deleted the movie when you were done watching it?

[tp4tissue]

what if you just deleted the movie when you were done watching it?

The point of piracy right now, is to get better quality movies cheaper  than buying them straight from manufacturer..


But they are by no means.. "FREE"  cost of bandwidth, cost of storage..  they're just cheaper with Piracy..


Now... if you could live with lower quality visuals...  then yea.. a netflix subscription is cheaper by far..

I'm paying $180 for ~ 2x3TB each year.. for 1080p 40Mbit


Netflix would only be $108 per year.. for 1080p 5-6Mbit

[SpAmRaY]

what if you just deleted the movie when you were done watching it?

The point of piracy right now, is to get better quality movies cheaper  than buying them straight from manufacturer..


But they are by no means.. "FREE"  cost of bandwidth, cost of storage..  they're just cheaper with Piracy..


Now... if you could live with lower quality visuals...  then yea.. a netflix subscription is cheaper by far..

I'm paying $180 for ~ 2x3TB each year.. for 1080p 40Mbit


Netflix would only be $108 per year.. for 1080p 5-6Mbit

I thought the point of piracy was just not having to pay for it?

[tp4tissue]

what if you just deleted the movie when you were done watching it?

The point of piracy right now, is to get better quality movies cheaper  than buying them straight from manufacturer..


But they are by no means.. "FREE"  cost of bandwidth, cost of storage..  they're just cheaper with Piracy..


Now... if you could live with lower quality visuals...  then yea.. a netflix subscription is cheaper by far..

I'm paying $180 for ~ 2x3TB each year.. for 1080p 40Mbit


Netflix would only be $108 per year.. for 1080p 5-6Mbit

I thought the point of piracy was just not having to pay for it?

I didn't pay the movie industry ..

but I paid SOMEONE..


The world balances.. it's a matter of perspective ..

[azhdar]

Indeed i have no shame in saying i'm only download my movies while never ever going theater .

Although i have a 5.1 setup and an 88' video projector , because i enjoy watching my movies in a great quality .

It's simplier to download an "illegal copy" rather than buying it (no login , not even looking for your credit card ) .

I didn't pay the movie industry ..

but I paid SOMEONE..


The world balances.. it's a matter of perspective ..

Right on point , i payed my storage and viewing/sounding equipments , not the content .

[SpAmRaY]

So if everyone pirated and no one paid for content wouldn't studios just shut down and stop making anything new?

[Elrick]

So if everyone pirated and no one paid for content wouldn't studios just shut down and stop making anything new?

Never happen because the Movie Industry is exactly that, they'll find new ways to extract money from advertisers and keep producing the same old boring sh1t forever.

Don't forget that most Movie Investment is a MASSIVE tax dodge for the investors, hence no one loses money in film.   The US Government will never allow their prime propaganda machine in Hollywood, to go belly up.

Besides they should invest in the Porn Industry because the USA leads in manufacturing it everyday, for world-wide release  .

[tbc]

You'll never stop pirates period. We live in a world so saturated with corporate power that really, nobody would ever feel bad for nicking his favourite albums and movies off the internet. Barring restrictive measures on who or what is allowed online. We're actually seeing those now being proposed again and again. The sad part is that even if they get shot down, it isn't much of a bother to simply try again. They're doing that dance with a lot of toxic legislature.

The sane solution would be to accept piracy as a thing that simply occurs and move on to create services that are so well-designed, people use them regardless. Steam is a prime example of this philosophy, even though it's not about piracy so much as it is about the pleasant-ification of DRM.

netflix....

[Lanx]

2 weeks ago i got tons of friend requests, "how do i do torrents"? What event happened two weeks ago. I know like no one who pirates irl. Plus everything is streamed like imsaid, need anime? Crunchyroll, want k drama ? Viki, want to watch the latest movies? Go out with a human and pay 10bucks

Also idk wtf a torrent client is for mac, screw mac guys wanting torrents

[The Mad Professor]

2 weeks ago i got tons of friend requests, "how do i do torrents"? What event happened two weeks ago. I know like no one who pirates irl. Plus everything is streamed like imsaid, need anime? Crunchyroll, want k drama ? Viki, want to watch the latest movies? Go out with a human and pay 10bucks

Also idk wtf a torrent client is for mac, screw mac guys wanting torrents

Two weeks ago? The Fappening. A HUGE release of celebrity nudes hacked from their cloud accounts.

Amongst them were Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Upton, and a then-underaged McKayla Maroney.

[tbc]

2 weeks ago i got tons of friend requests, "how do i do torrents"? What event happened two weeks ago. I know like no one who pirates irl. Plus everything is streamed like imsaid, need anime? Crunchyroll, want k drama ? Viki, want to watch the latest movies? Go out with a human and pay 10bucks

Also idk wtf a torrent client is for mac, screw mac guys wanting torrents

not familiar with those sites....but piracy isn't just torrents.  streams are piracy too, otherwise, there would never be dcma takedowns on yoytube.