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Offline overthetop

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what do you think about realforce?
« on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 03:29:19 »
Hi fellows,

I'm planing to buy myself this baby (https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se070s). Can you give me some feedback on this? Is the elitekeyboards the best place to buy from in USA?

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 03:52:53 »
RF = great quality.

I wouldn't get a variable, though. I much prefer uniform 45g or 55g.
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 05:19:10 »
It's the only place (apart from classifieds), unless you want to import. However, getting the keyboard from Japan might be a good idea under certain circumstances.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 06:17:57 »
Duplicate thread btw ;)

RealForce is great - one of the few keyboards a would really like.

Variable weight (as you have linked) is great if you only do typing, say typing of words (as opposed to programming).  For gaming it sucks.

The only thing is that there are very few replacement keycap sets available for Topre keyboards :(
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 06:29:14 »
yeah, sorry about the duplicate, don't know how that happened.
I will use it mostly for coding and typing, no gaming any more (I guess I will play quakelive.com once in a while) :)
Do you guys know from where to get even lighter switches, something like 30g ?

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 07:21:32 »
I just sold my Realforce 89s (30g switches)
But in general I was very happy overall with the quality of Realforce.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 07:24:19 »
Do you guys know from where to get even lighter switches, something like 30g ?

Only ways are to modify an existing keyboard by swapping the domes you want or by importing a 10th anniversary model with 30g. Luckily for you, someone has done the former and is offering such an example for sale. See this thread. It seems expensive but is actually a lot cheaper than acquiring a 10th anniversary.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 08:15:37 »
I love my realforce board, it is solid and really is a great typing experience.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 08:37:29 »
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 10:51:20 »
This is so weird. I post my thread about possibly getting a Realforce for work, and I'll be damned if half a dozen other threads pop up helping me out with my eventual decision!
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 10:52:52 »
get a uniform realforce over a variable

55g seems to be the general consensus, but i love my 45g
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 10:57:27 »
I have a 104ub and I actually don't have a problem with the variable switches.  The build quality is great and I love the thing, I got it maybe 2 weeks ago and I couldn't be happier.

It's my first venture into topre, so I'm not a an expert in all the varieties of boards with this switch, but I can say I was surprised at how much I liked it, really it exceeded my expectations.

If I know what I do now I would have made the switch to topre much, much sooner.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 11:17:50 »
I have a 104ub and I actually don't have a problem with the variable switches.  The build quality is great and I love the thing, I got it maybe 2 weeks ago and I couldn't be happier.

It's my first venture into topre, so I'm not a an expert in all the varieties of boards with this switch, but I can say I was surprised at how much I liked it, really it exceeded my expectations.

If I know what I do now I would have made the switch to topre much, much sooner.
What's your favorite thing about it?

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 11:19:47 »
get a uniform realforce over a variable

Variable is fine, and IMO preferred, if you're not gaming. Playing Quake Live every other week is not a compelling factor for taking a uniform.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 11:36:35 »
Get the uTron...  that's really the only Topre board worth getting .. everything else is just a very slight upgrade over what's already sitting in front of you.





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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 12:44:09 »
Quality vs price is dissapointing.

Feels like a $150 board in terms of quality, not $200+

I liked it a lot more after dental band modding.

I have both a 55g and a variably weighted 87u.

Will not comment on Topre vs MX.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 13:02:10 »
I like my 55g realforce. Still not some godly keyboard but it really is nice  :)

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 13:05:20 »
get a uniform realforce over a variable

Variable is fine, and IMO preferred, if you're not gaming. Playing Quake Live every other week is not a compelling factor for taking a uniform.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 13:13:10 »
Man, I still can't get a damned consensus on which Topre to buy! Haha. I do game and type sometimes...
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 13:14:40 »
depends a lot on what games you're playing

if you're in need of a lot of APM, go MX

if you're not an SC2/quake pro, topre should get you by in pretty much every other situation

i prefer 45g uniform, personally
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 13:20:19 »
Man, I still can't get a damned consensus on which Topre to buy! Haha. I do game and type sometimes...

Think I mentioned this in your other thread, but if you like buckling spring and will be gaming, get the 55g. The feel, of course, will be completely different, but you'll probably prefer the heavier feel and snappier sound of the heavier Topre switches. If for some reason you don't like it, you could sell it here and pretty easily recoup most of your investment.

There's nothing wrong with Topre for gaming unless you're super hardcore.
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 13:40:28 »
I have a 104ub and I actually don't have a problem with the variable switches.  The build quality is great and I love the thing, I got it maybe 2 weeks ago and I couldn't be happier.

It's my first venture into topre, so I'm not a an expert in all the varieties of boards with this switch, but I can say I was surprised at how much I liked it, really it exceeded my expectations.

If I know what I do now I would have made the switch to topre much, much sooner.
What's your favorite thing about it?

I love the topre switches and the overall feel of the board, super solid.  It's like typing on buttery delicious cherry browns, way smoother, they don't bottom out quite as harshly as browns (on a Filco Minila).

I donno it's worth it IMO.  Got mine used on the classifieds for $150, If you could find one at this price you won't be disappointed.

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 14:14:31 »
Man, I still can't get a damned consensus on which Topre to buy! Haha. I do game and type sometimes...

Think I mentioned this in your other thread, but if you like buckling spring and will be gaming, get the 55g. The feel, of course, will be completely different, but you'll probably prefer the heavier feel and snappier sound of the heavier Topre switches. If for some reason you don't like it, you could sell it here and pretty easily recoup most of your investment.

There's nothing wrong with Topre for gaming unless you're super hardcore.

Excellent! My thought process is this: I'm going to use it for work, and if I like it enough I'll take it home. Although it's going to face some tough competition in my F-122!
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 15:09:56 »
Quality vs price is dissapointing.

Feels like a $150 board in terms of quality, not $200+

I liked it a lot more after dental band modding.

I have both a 55g and a variably weighted 87u.

Will not comment on Topre vs MX.
Well thats your opinion but most will think it is worth $200. My opinion is that dental band modding ruins the tactile feel and limits the key stroke, it is an unsuitable method of silencing a Topre switch IMO.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 15:50:02 »
Quality vs price is dissapointing.

Feels like a $150 board in terms of quality, not $200+

I liked it a lot more after dental band modding.

I have both a 55g and a variably weighted 87u.

Will not comment on Topre vs MX.
Well thats your opinion but most will think it is worth $200. My opinion is that dental band modding ruins the tactile feel and limits the key stroke, it is an unsuitable method of silencing a Topre switch IMO.

I think topre rectangle is worth $200.. but the import kills the deal..

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 15:57:34 »
Love realforce. Uniform 45g is my favorite. 104UB-DK.

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 16:26:30 »
Do you guys really feel a benefit from going to a TKL? I've always wondered if I'll be better off ergonomically and prevent my shoulder joints from further wear if I go TKL.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 16:28:42 »
Do you guys really feel a benefit from going to a TKL? I've always wondered if I'll be better off ergonomically and prevent my shoulder joints from further wear if I go TKL.

Definitely.
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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 16:28:44 »
Do you guys really feel a benefit from going to a TKL? I've always wondered if I'll be better off ergonomically and prevent my shoulder joints from further wear if I go TKL.

um.. it helps... but.. if you have shoulder pains..  a split keyboard would help more.

you don't HAVE TO get an ergodox.. you can get one of those ghetto split keyboards..

I would say ANY split keyboard is better than ANY rectangle keyboard  (ergonomically speaking of course)

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 16:31:23 »
Do you guys really feel a benefit from going to a TKL? I've always wondered if I'll be better off ergonomically and prevent my shoulder joints from further wear if I go TKL.

Definitely.

That's what I've heard... I don't really need a keypad for any specific reason but I tend to use them for whatever reason.
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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 16:32:17 »
Do you guys really feel a benefit from going to a TKL? I've always wondered if I'll be better off ergonomically and prevent my shoulder joints from further wear if I go TKL.

um.. it helps... but.. if you have shoulder pains..  a split keyboard would help more.

you don't HAVE TO get an ergodox.. you can get one of those ghetto split keyboards..

I would say ANY split keyboard is better than ANY rectangle keyboard  (ergonomically speaking of course)
I don't really have any shoulder pain per say, but I do workout at the gym about 5 days per week and my joints don't need anything else wearing them out.
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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 18:55:32 »
I used my realforce for years at work and locked it up at night.  I had to buy it myself, though, so when work finally got around to agreeing to replace the horrible Dell rubber thing with 10keyless Leopold with Cherry browns, I took my keyboard home, where it has supplanted my full key Filco, for the moment.

I absolutely benefit from TKL, the pain and ergo need drove a lot of this purchasing.  I still get shoulder pain sometimes, so I guess I could go for split, but honestly, making sure I take a break every two hours, move, rotate, relax a little, stop using my muscles to sit up straight and rely on chair, can keep that from happening.
I still prefer the feel of cherry brown to Topre, but when it comes to water\quiet, I prefer Topre.  I know, I could just get some landing pads, then probably care even less about my topre.
I do really like having my ctrl and caps switched on my Topre.
The only bad thing about TKL at work, is the stupid KVM switch I have, requires that part of the keyboard, at work, so I haven't been using my kvm yet.
Also gave my coworkers, who weren't touch typists, some relief, since the replacement had contrast lettering.
I bought mine 2nd hand years ago with variable weight. I haven't found it a problem.  I'd probably get a 45 uniform, though, if I had to buy again.  I think I'm heavy handed enough, when going fast there's no point dipping down to 30g, but I definitely don't want 55g.
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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 20:12:52 »
I used my realforce for years at work and locked it up at night.  I had to buy it myself, though, so when work finally got around to agreeing to replace the horrible Dell rubber thing with 10keyless Leopold with Cherry browns, I took my keyboard home, where it has supplanted my full key Filco, for the moment.

I absolutely benefit from TKL, the pain and ergo need drove a lot of this purchasing.  I still get shoulder pain sometimes, so I guess I could go for split, but honestly, making sure I take a break every two hours, move, rotate, relax a little, stop using my muscles to sit up straight and rely on chair, can keep that from happening.
I still prefer the feel of cherry brown to Topre, but when it comes to water\quiet, I prefer Topre.  I know, I could just get some landing pads, then probably care even less about my topre.
I do really like having my ctrl and caps switched on my Topre.
The only bad thing about TKL at work, is the stupid KVM switch I have, requires that part of the keyboard, at work, so I haven't been using my kvm yet.
Also gave my coworkers, who weren't touch typists, some relief, since the replacement had contrast lettering.
I bought mine 2nd hand years ago with variable weight. I haven't found it a problem.  I'd probably get a 45 uniform, though, if I had to buy again.  I think I'm heavy handed enough, when going fast there's no point dipping down to 30g, but I definitely don't want 55g.
I can't seem to keep my nails down, so typing is always noisy for me, unless it's a silicone jobby.
Thank you so much for your valuable input to this thread. I may just check out the classifieds...

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 20:26:51 »
Do you guys really feel a benefit from going to a TKL? I've always wondered if I'll be better off ergonomically and prevent my shoulder joints from further wear if I go TKL.

I cant comment specifically on Topre TKL (yet) but I can say without hesitation I don't see myself ever going back to a full-size board. I was hesitant to go to TKL because I was always using the number pad for punching in IP addresses and what not, but after a few weeks of use I became as comfortable with the home row numbers as I was with the ten key pad. I actually prefer TKL for number entry now since I don't have to move my hands as far off the home row keys.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 21:53:58 »
Do you guys really feel a benefit from going to a TKL? I've always wondered if I'll be better off ergonomically and prevent my shoulder joints from further wear if I go TKL.

It certainly benefits me because I have very little desk space to work with to begin with. I'm perfectly fine using the number row for data entry and such, but if I ever find myself needing a numpad, I have an external one to use.

Just to parrot what everyone else has been saying here, my 86U is hands down the most comfortable keyboard I have ever used. Topres are so light and easy on the fingers.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 22:05:04 »
My 104UB-DK is the perfect board. Though one day Id like to get a 87UB and 23UB.
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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 22:27:04 »
Damn these are all really good reasons. After my trip to Tahoe and assuming I have the scratch, I'll see about getting a Topre.
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 22:40:55 »
I also vote for 45g or 55g.  Variable just feels weird and inconsistent.

Also like people said 45g and 55g are good for both gaming and typing, while variable sucks for gaming.

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Offline JunkFace

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 23 September 2014, 23:25:54 »
I also vote for 45g or 55g.  Variable just feels weird and inconsistent.

Also like people said 45g and 55g are good for both gaming and typing, while variable sucks for gaming.

I actually don't mind the variable for gaming or typing, you might prefer the uniform 45/55g but if you can the variable for a good price I wouldn't rule it out.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 02:30:01 »
The bad news is that I can't get the 'silent' edition and have the all-45g switches everywhere. :(. Don't see such an option...

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 04:16:11 »
it doesn't exist AFAIK.

i'm surprised no one noticed that earlier actually lol.

people sometimes salvage parts from a silent board and a uniform board and make a silenced uniform.

or they do something called a dental mod.  that's just one way of silencing your board and i think there's at least one other.


basically, if you're not willing to mod (or pay someone to) and you need a silenced version, you MUST buy a variable silenced rf.  but a normal board is generally quieter than regular domes to be honest (you need fast typing speed to really make any noticable noise)
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 12:54:02 »
it doesn't exist AFAIK.

i'm surprised no one noticed that earlier actually lol.

people sometimes salvage parts from a silent board and a uniform board and make a silenced uniform.

or they do something called a dental mod.  that's just one way of silencing your board and i think there's at least one other.


basically, if you're not willing to mod (or pay someone to) and you need a silenced version, you MUST buy a variable silenced rf.  but a normal board is generally quieter than regular domes to be honest (you need fast typing speed to really make any noticeable noise)
Interesting! Learning about Topre feels to be a similar learning curve when I first got into mechanical keyboards a couple years ago.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 13:16:32 »
The bad news is that I can't get the 'silent' edition and have the all-45g switches everywhere. :(. Don't see such an option...

The only Topre keyboard that comes from the factory silent and with 45g uniform domes is the HHKB Type-S. The Realforce 87U silent comes only with variable weight. There might (and I stress might) have been silenced uniform models produced as part of the 10th Anniversary line. If they did exist, they were produced in very limited quantities and are extremely pricey - more than a new HHKB Type-S.

As far as modding a standard uniform Topre, sometimes just lubing the stems and placing the keyboard on a mat is enough. The RF 87U I use at home was lubed and also had thin silicone added between the top case and sliders. Dental banding is another possibility, but this reduces key travel to a point you might not like. The lube/silicone mod results in virtually no such reduction. Of course, there is the transplant option, but that would require more than one keyboard, which will hammer your bank account.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 13:25:05 »
Might as well add my initial impressions to this thread. Just got my 87U 55g uniform (in white) from EK yesterday, and I've only typed on it for an afternoon so far. I'd echo the sentiment that it feels like a really good rubberdome, however by really good I mean *really* good. I use a rubberdome at work most days, and it's one of the better I've used. But the RF's profile of the keys is far nicer, the keytravel is less muddy. The form factor and embedded numpad is very nice.

I started to get really worried about the weight as so many people report having pain from using it, but I don't see that becoming a problem for me. They're about the same, maybe slightly lighter than my Model M which I'm pretty used to. I have some dental bands on the way, but to be honest I'm pretty happy without them.

I also played a round of Counter-Strike with it last night, and I didn't mind it much. It feels a little awkward if you're spamming keys very quickly (qqqqqqqqqqq), but the crisp actuation is a nice feeling that solidly confirms your intent to press each key.

I got it for my new job I'm starting next week, and I'm looking forward to making it my daily driver there.


EDIT:
The RF 87U I use at home was lubed and also had thin silicone added between the top case and sliders.

Do you have a link or any info about the silicone you added? I haven't heard of that yet, but it sounds interesting. Does it dampen the upstroke clack?
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 13:27:37 »
After trying MANY different keyboards with various form factors, layouts, keycap materials, keycap printing methods, and switch types, I have finally narrowed things down to a few favorites. Here they are, along with some of my reasons for liking them:

HHKB Pro 2. I like the sound and tactile feel of Topre switches. They are like weighted piano keys on a real piano. The dye-sub PBT keycaps are beautiful, and I like the dry and slightly textured touch. I love the 60% form factor, and the layout is better than any I have ever tried. Now, when I use other keyboards, I remap the keys to the HHKB/Mac layout.

RF 87u 55g. Quieter more refined and solid sound than the HHKB; excellent tactile feedback. Lacks the somewhat annoying return-stroke "clack" of the HHKB -- although I think I might want to get a Type-S HHKB someday, the RF is so much quieter I don't feel the need to get a silent RF. Moreover, the silent RF is available only as a variable weight, and I think I would prefer the all-55g or all-45g. The RF also has beautiful dye-sub PBT keycaps. I got the black version, but I replaced the alpha, number, and arrow keys with blue keycaps; all the rest are black. Looks great.

The RF also has a number of other nice features, including an embedded numeric keypad, DIP switches for several useful settings, LEDs for CapsLock and NumLock, and no dedicated Fn key -- this is a plus for me, because I prefer to set up a Fn key using software so that I can map Fn functions the way I like them and end with with no dead keys.

I've tried the RF 87u black 55g, RF 87u black 45g, and RF 87u white 55g. They are all good, but my favorite of these is the RF 87u black 55g. However, I need legible keycaps, but I like a black case, so with the black RF I would replace the alpha and number keycaps with blue or white (or even yellow or orange, which are all available on eBay).

My other favorite is the IBM XT. I like the sound and feel of capacitive buckling spring switches and the look and feel of the IBM dye-sub PBT keycaps.

These three boards rank FAR above anything else I have tried. I have yet to find a Cherry mx switch that I like; it's as if Cherry mx boards were not playing in the same league with the current leading Topre-switch boards or the IBM boards of yesteryear.

Somewhere between Cherry mx and Topre or IBM capacitive buckling spring, I would put Matias tactile/clicky switches, Alps Monterey blues, Alps orange, and NMB Hi-Tek black space invader switches.

All things considered, the RF 87u 55g black is my favorite, but I also like my HHKB Pro 2 and IBM XT keyboards.

If RF were to make a 60% board in black with the HHKB layout, steel plate, and 55g switches, I think this might be the perfect board for me.

(Typed on my RF 87u black 55g).


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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 13:55:09 »
Do you have a link or any info about the silicone you added? I haven't heard of that yet, but it sounds interesting. Does it dampen the upstroke clack?

It was not I who did the mod. Send a PM to exitfire401, as he's the one who did and from whom I purchased the keybaord. Yes, the silicone does dampen the upstroke noise, which to me is the most "annoying" thing about Topre (even though it really isn't).

While I love my 45g uniform, I don't like the black on charcoal keycaps, so I replaced them with the whites from my RF 87USW and a set of red RF ones I bought on eBay. I wouldn't change a thing about this, save for putting a yellow Esc/blank or any kind of CC/Bro cap in the Escape's place.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 15:17:57 »
Piano Key weight, good reference! I am typing with my HHKB and it forsure feels like that, wow!

I agree, White keyset on the black case is ideal!

Yes, Type S HHKB is the only 45g Silenced.
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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 15:26:27 »
Do you have a link or any info about the silicone you added? I haven't heard of that yet, but it sounds interesting. Does it dampen the upstroke clack?

It was not I who did the mod. Send a PM to exitfire401, as he's the one who did and from whom I purchased the keybaord. Yes, the silicone does dampen the upstroke noise, which to me is the most "annoying" thing about Topre (even though it really isn't).

While I love my 45g uniform, I don't like the black on charcoal keycaps, so I replaced them with the whites from my RF 87USW and a set of red RF ones I bought on eBay. I wouldn't change a thing about this, save for putting a yellow Esc/blank or any kind of CC/Bro cap in the Escape's place.

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Re: what do you think about realforce?
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 17:31:25 »
Do you have a link or any info about the silicone you added? I haven't heard of that yet, but it sounds interesting. Does it dampen the upstroke clack?

It was not I who did the mod. Send a PM to exitfire401, as he's the one who did and from whom I purchased the keybaord. Yes, the silicone does dampen the upstroke noise, which to me is the most "annoying" thing about Topre (even though it really isn't).

While I love my 45g uniform, I don't like the black on charcoal keycaps, so I replaced them with the whites from my RF 87USW and a set of red RF ones I bought on eBay. I wouldn't change a thing about this, save for putting a yellow Esc/blank or any kind of CC/Bro cap in the Escape's place.

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I've seen the red Topre caps on eBay, but before I saw your board, I couldn't imagine wanting to use red kecaps for anything but an Escape key. After seeing your board, I really like the red modifiers against the black case. Thanks for posting the pic!