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Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 08:10:21 »
Tis a sad day in America...

Stock up now before they're gone forever!

RIP Hostess.  You'll surely be missed.  :'(
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 08:17:42 »
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 08:57:29 »
Hooray for unions!

True story -- I live in New York, and when I was younger I used to drive on The Deegan, a highway that passed right by the Stella D'oro cookie and cake factory. It smelled great. Then OSHO came in and made them vent the place such that there was no more delicious cookie smells wafting across the landscape. Then, a few years later their union workers went on strike for an entire year and as a result the current owners closed the factory entirely and moved to Ohio.

Now another union is going to kill off yet another company.

Grrr...
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:03:11 »
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol   
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:07:39 »
this pretty much destroys all the worldly or zombie predictions that only twinkies will be around, heck in 20 years we'll have kids watching "silly" zombie movies from the turn of the century and going "whats a twinkie?"

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:09:31 »
Yeah, the baker's union screwed themselves.  They go on strike because of an 8% pay cut, instead they will be losing their jobs.



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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:19:18 »
this pretty much destroys all the worldly or zombie predictions that only twinkies will be around, heck in 20 years we'll have kids watching "silly" zombie movies from the turn of the century and going "whats a twinkie?"

True.

Also, it's been proven that Twinkies do not actually last forever.
http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

So start buying some right now. They're gonna be worth something some day.

(Leaves to find some Twinkies as Christmas gifts.)
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:19:30 »
Yeh I know that wonderful bakery smell. The Quizani bakery in Boston's south end used to have that, but not anymore.
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:34:59 »
Yeh I know that wonderful bakery smell. The Quizani bakery in Boston's south end used to have that, but not anymore.

OSHA bastards. Sure, I might have been inhaling Class A carcinogens along with the bakery smell, but whatever, I have ObamaCare now anyway, right? Posting this from my ObamaPhone.

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:36:00 »
Hooray for unions!

True story -- I live in New York, and when I was younger I used to drive on The Deegan, a highway that passed right by the Stella D'oro cookie and cake factory. It smelled great. Then OSHO came in and made them vent the place such that there was no more delicious cookie smells wafting across the landscape. Then, a few years later their union workers went on strike for an entire year and as a result the current owners closed the factory entirely and moved to Ohio.

Now another union is going to kill off yet another company.

Grrr...
I think I watched an HBO documentary on exactly that. They didn't close it, they sold it to new owners who proceeded to fire everyone in the union and hire new people.

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Re: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:51:31 »
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:53:46 »
Time for LITTLE DEBBIES TO STEP UP!!!!! (I have always liked them more....anyways)

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:54:08 »
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol
Snowballs! I hate Snowballs, not the taste, just the consistency!

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:12:21 »
I think I watched an HBO documentary on exactly that. They didn't close it, they sold it to new owners who proceeded to fire everyone in the union and hire new people.

Yes, I think that's what happened. What a great ending. Like watching a guy poke a bear in a cage over and over and over until the bear finally just mauls him. Sure, it's terrible to witness a mauling, but a little part of me is glad. In the case of Hostess' union, I think they really, REALLY overplayed their hand. I'm sure the union thought they were going to win, just like ever other time in the past. No problem, right?



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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:14:18 »
omg, state fairs are gonna be in a crisis, and i better hurry to one to get my first and last deep fried twinkie

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:28:32 »
Hostess cupcakes taste too good to be allowed for sale.  They're like crack for sweet-tooths

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:32:13 »
Dude, no! Raspberry Zingers!!!

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Re: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:35:44 »
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol
Snowballs! I hate Snowballs, not the taste, just the consistency!

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:40:36 »
I'm just hoping I can get to the store in time before they all sell out... I'm planning on stocking up and freezing some.
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:49:39 »
Dude, they are going to keep making Twinkies.  It will just be another company that takes over.  You think they would actually kill off Twinkies?  Hell no.  Everyone knows Twinkies.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:54:34 »
I'm sure another company will make them, but I'm not taking any chances!
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:20:01 »
That's what happens when unions get greedy.

I'm all for worker's rights but some of these unions and their workers are straight up theives.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:22:12 »
Unions used to be necessary, back when workers were getting screwed over all the time. They're irrelevant now, with the laws that protect employees. Their only purpose now is to screw companies out of as much money as they can, destroying businesses, and ou economy little by little in the process.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:31:12 »
People still ate those?
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:34:00 »
Cosmic Brownies is where it's at, yo!

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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:34:32 »
People still ate those?

Not like they used to, but yes...
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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:36:16 »
Cosmic Brownies is where it's at, yo!

Love them.  Also these:

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:38:52 »
not cool, tho I haven't had a twinkie in a long time.
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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:10:07 »
not cool, tho I haven't had a twinkie in a long time.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:25:36 »
Gonna miss those cupcakes with the cream in the center. I will be telling my grandchildren about them in 30 years.


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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:28:26 »
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:44:06 »
That's what happens when unions get greedy.

I'm all for worker's rights but some of these unions and their workers are straight up theives.

Unions used to be necessary, back when workers were getting screwed over all the time. They're irrelevant now, with the laws that protect employees. Their only purpose now is to screw companies out of as much money as they can, destroying businesses, and ou economy little by little in the process.

Not accepting an 8% pay cut, 17% health care cut and massive pension cuts makes them thieves?  Why isn't that statement turned to the upper management, who somehow received an 80% pay raise while in Ch11 bankruptcy? Or the fact that 8 different management groups couldn't make the company profitable for over a decade?

I'm not exactly happy to see what's turned into an icon shut its doors, but it's irresponsible and frankly juvenile to blame the union that blocked a bad deal.


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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 20:29:32 »
Yeah, the baker's union screwed themselves.  They go on strike because of an 8% pay cut, instead they will be losing their jobs.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 20:36:31 »
To be honest, too, an 8% pay cut is as good as not having a job without the extra time to find it.  You still aren't able to pay your bills, but you're also exhausted from a day's work.

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 22:43:23 »
Hooray for unions!

True story -- I live in New York, and when I was younger I used to drive on The Deegan, a highway that passed right by the Stella D'oro cookie and cake factory. It smelled great. Then OSHO came in and made them vent the place such that there was no more delicious cookie smells wafting across the landscape. Then, a few years later their union workers went on strike for an entire year and as a result the current owners closed the factory entirely and moved to Ohio.

Now another union is going to kill off yet another company.

Grrr...

Best death of a product due to unions.  I love it.
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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 16 November 2012, 23:21:03 »
I've never belonged to a union, but I recommend reading Cory Doctorow's For The Win.
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« Reply #36 on: Sat, 17 November 2012, 17:53:04 »
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...
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« Reply #37 on: Sat, 17 November 2012, 17:55:43 »
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

25 days:

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 17 November 2012, 20:54:04 »
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

25 days:

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

can always freeze them

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 18 November 2012, 11:21:36 »
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

25 days:

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 18 November 2012, 18:03:04 »
reading Cory Doctorow

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 18 November 2012, 18:19:42 »
i take back what i said about unions (well, kinda. i still think some have thieves as members)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/18/1162786/-Inside-the-Hostess-Bankery

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 18 November 2012, 18:21:33 »
Acceptable post count, demik.

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 20 November 2012, 07:56:34 »
Unions used to be necessary, back when workers were getting screwed over all the time. They're irrelevant now, with the laws that protect employees. Their only purpose now is to screw companies out of as much money as they can, destroying businesses, and ou economy little by little in the process.

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Yeah, there will be Twinkies and Ho-Ho's, etc. -- they just won't be made by Americans. There used to be this beautiful symmetry -- Americans made ever fatter and fatter by snack food products made by other Americans. Now Canadians will be making us fatter. What kind of a world do we live in folks? Canada used to be the country that secretly hoped America didn't roll over in bed at night and accidentally suffocate it, now they're gonna make our Twinkies. Just give me the Mark of the Beast already!

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 20 November 2012, 08:15:11 »
I don't really like twinkies, they're not bad, but they're not good either,

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 20 November 2012, 08:26:16 »
I don't really like twinkies, they're not bad, but they're not good either,

I don't think many adults really like Twinkies. We just have fond memories of our favorite childhood snack cakes, and we want to hold onto the past in some way.
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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 20 November 2012, 12:35:53 »
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

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Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 20 November 2012, 13:03:48 »
Not accepting an 8% pay cut, 17% health care cut and massive pension cuts makes them thieves?  Why isn't that statement turned to the upper management, who somehow received an 80% pay raise while in Ch11 bankruptcy? Or the fact that 8 different management groups couldn't make the company profitable for over a decade?

I'm not exactly happy to see what's turned into an icon shut its doors, but it's irresponsible and frankly juvenile to blame the union that blocked a bad deal.

This is exactly why manufacturing in America has taken such a downturn -- it's not profitable anymore. Unions aren't the only reason why it's become unprofitable, but they are the primary reason. The average salary of these union bakers is somewhere between $16 and $20 per hour, which sound entirely reasonable, but only if you don't factor in their pensions, and the ridiculous union rules that are pushed onto employers.

From a NYTimes article on the liquidation:

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The bakers union has rules requiring that Hostess use two trucks to make deliveries to a single location: one for cakes, and another one for bread. When Hostess filed for bankruptcy, the company insisted that its labor costs and union rules were unsustainable, and it moved to renegotiate the contracts. One work rule required that two separate trucks be used to ship bread and cake products to a single retailer. The company also indicated that it faced $52 million in workers’ compensation claims.

I wonder if the union workers have a defined benefit pension package, or a market-based 401K program? I'm betting it's a defined benefit package -- which means it doesn't matter what happens in the market, they get their money. You just don't see that in the private market anymore because it doesn't make any sense anymore. It's like using two trucks to deliver to the same location.

I live in the belly of the beast, New York, and every year we hear about how the MTA (Metro Transportation Authority) has to raise public transportation costs. Every year, without fail. No one even bothers anymore to point out that pensions and salaries account for something like 85% of the companies expenses. It's just part of the political physics of the region; union members screw everyone else over and then pose as working class heroes. And these guys are thieves (Demik is right about this) -- they milk the system. They had a huge expose on how an obscure union rule states that pension rates shall be calculated as a percentage of the salary averaged over the last three years of work. So what do they do in the last three years? They put in for massive (often fraudulent) overtime pay and end up being paid nearly as much (or more) than what they earned while working.

Don't believe me? http://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/releases/nov11/110911.htm

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DiNapoli's auditors calculated that the shift manipulation for 28 of the 30 employees in the Unit cost Metro-North $991,208 in overtime and $216,128 in pay for rest shifts in 2010. For six of these employees, the additional payments inflated future projected pension benefits by $5.5 million. One worker was able to increase his projected total pension amount by $1.5 million above what would have been earned at his regular salary.

These are union rules designed explicitly to be exploited and abused. And since this is a crucial public system (railroads) no one can afford to see it fail. We can do without Twinkies, but not public transportation. I long to see the days of Reagan return, when he promised the air traffic controllers not to strike or lose their jobs, and then followed through. Sweet, sweet nectar.

TL;DR?

Unions are killing the country, slowly but surely.
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