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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #300 on: Sat, 22 August 2015, 13:02:43 »
They're all various kinds of nasty. The difference is that Facebook is peer-pressure & opt-in and Chrome has plenty of alternatives. While Microsoft pushes W10 aggressively on users all the way down to Windows 7, which is the last Windows still supported ever since Server 2003 expired last month. So virtually everyone who isn't already old, cranky & suspicious is being offered the Kool-Aid.

I'm not worried so much about what MS, Google, Facebook etc *promise us* they'll do with the data, but what they *could do* without disclosure. As we all know, disclosure is the magic word in today's society. Crime requires witnesses and a platform. And if they don't do it, then they'll be made to do it by people who operate outside the law and whose job is gathering information. If you were the head of the NSA, you would be out of your freakin' mind and in the wrong line of business if you didn't at some point wrap your fingers around MS's throat to get access to their stuff. It's a match made in heaven.

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« Reply #301 on: Sat, 22 August 2015, 13:04:56 »
Have to say, I really like Windows 10. I'm still getting used to the start menu icon layout but it's super fast and I've yet to run into any issues.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #302 on: Sat, 22 August 2015, 21:53:25 »
Seriously, if people realized how much data Facebook gathers on them through their ubiquitous "like" buttons on nearly every website, they would be amazed. That said, I still don't think it's anything to worry about. Those companies are interested in large-scale, aggregated statistics, not individual behavior.

People are worried MS is like, "Nick here spends a lot of time on keyboard websites so let's show him keyboard ads." When really it's more like, "our client, Vandelay Industries, sells keyboards. So let's target their ad to people who regularly visit geekhack.org, deskthority.net, and mechanicalkeyboards.com." It's very anonymous and advertiser-based, not user-based.

Actually, it's not that anonymous.
They tell you it is, but it isn't, it's a database, not a persons memory, things can be correlated on a massive scale.
AOL thought it was anonymous and dumped their search history (just search terms), within 3 days, researchers had identified users.

And if you think that's bad...
This was exactly what Doubleclick was going to do with the data they collected from advertisements. They claimed they could determine who you were with extreme accuracy and planned on tying it your credit rating, which is often used for car insurance rates, bank loans and more. Had they determined that people who visit GH were bad with their money, simply because they spent so much money on keyboards, you visiting GH would have caused your credit rating to drop. Sounds crazy, but that was exactly the sort of thing they were proposing going to do, they literally planned to tie your browsing history to your credit report. The public outcry was so bad that regulators stepped in, they not only had to abandon it, but they ended up selling the company to Google. This was years ago, combined with Facebook's data and cell phones it would be even easier.

This doesn't even get into the problem of corporations and/or (worse) the government knowing your dirty laundry.
What's legal today may not be legal tomorrow, just ask the Jews in WW2. Think it doesn't happen today, go ask LGBT people in Russia who are just short of being hunted like animals. And while you may think it can't happen in the US, there are politicians and groups working for exactly that, it was an American group who is responsible for the kill-the-gays bill in Uganda and someone almost got a kill-the-gays bill on the ballot in California (it required a judge to kill it). That was for THIS election cycle.  Then there is the AshleyMadison (A.M.) leak, it's already known that there are several women and gay men on there living in Saudi Arabia who will probably be executed for being on the site (they have their email addresses already), regardless of whether they did anything. A.M. was charging people to remove their data (blackmail?), but apparently wasn't. This is heading towards courtrooms already, but that doesn't help those people in Saudi Arabia, those lose their jobs over this, or those currently being blackmailed over it all.

Your data tells a LOT about you and it doesn't take much.



Facebook WISHES they could get the kind of data MS already collects, let alone what they can get from Win10 users now...
Sorry, but no.
There's a major difference in what MS could collect were it legal and a smart business move verses what MS actually does collect. I think companies and governments would object to outright spying on every employee. Not only would MS sales plummet, but they would be sued into oblivion.

Which is why it's all able to be turned off.
Facebook wouldn't have it an option, they would just collect the info, you opted in when you signed up. MS can't do that with Windows due to sealed EULAS and government contracts.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #303 on: Sat, 22 August 2015, 21:58:16 »
Yea.. but... seriously..

What could they want to know about me...  that's so bad...

The only socially objectionable thing done online is a bit of pr0n...


What else could go so wrong..


That credit rating thing was obviously not going to go down, simply due to the nature of the thing being a poor correlation of credit rating...



Think of people like cicade..   They pop up by the billions..  NO predator can kill all of us..


At worst they screw up 1000s of people's lives with their snooping..   Relative to important things the governments should prevent, you know,  FAMINES, GENOCIDE..


Data mining is quite harmless.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #304 on: Sat, 22 August 2015, 22:34:28 »
Think of people like cicade..   They pop up by the billions..  NO predator can kill all of us..
At worst they screw up 1000s of people's lives with their snooping..   Relative to important things the governments should prevent, you know,  FAMINES, GENOCIDE..
Data mining is quite harmless.
Except when it isn't.
And it's not always thousands of people's lives, it can effect millions.

By the way, the laws are not always so easy to predict, what is innocent enough today could be a major crime later.
You say your only vice is porn. Arizona is looking at it and New Zealand is planning to make trolling illegal. But it's okay, remember, they can't get everyone so even when you're locked up, someone would be along shortly to take your place, so no harm right?

It must be nice feeling like no one will ever threaten you for being who you are.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #305 on: Sat, 22 August 2015, 22:46:16 »
Seriously, if people realized how much data Facebook gathers on them through their ubiquitous "like" buttons on nearly every website, they would be amazed. That said, I still don't think it's anything to worry about. Those companies are interested in large-scale, aggregated statistics, not individual behavior.

People are worried MS is like, "Nick here spends a lot of time on keyboard websites so let's show him keyboard ads." When really it's more like, "our client, Vandelay Industries, sells keyboards. So let's target their ad to people who regularly visit geekhack.org, deskthority.net, and mechanicalkeyboards.com." It's very anonymous and advertiser-based, not user-based.

Actually, it's not that anonymous.
They tell you it is, but it isn't, it's a database, not a persons memory, things can be correlated on a massive scale.
AOL thought it was anonymous and dumped their search history (just search terms), within 3 days, researchers had identified users.

And if you think that's bad...
This was exactly what Doubleclick was going to do with the data they collected from advertisements. They claimed they could determine who you were with extreme accuracy and planned on tying it your credit rating, which is often used for car insurance rates, bank loans and more. Had they determined that people who visit GH were bad with their money, simply because they spent so much money on keyboards, you visiting GH would have caused your credit rating to drop. Sounds crazy, but that was exactly the sort of thing they were proposing going to do, they literally planned to tie your browsing history to your credit report. The public outcry was so bad that regulators stepped in, they not only had to abandon it, but they ended up selling the company to Google. This was years ago, combined with Facebook's data and cell phones it would be even easier.

This doesn't even get into the problem of corporations and/or (worse) the government knowing your dirty laundry.
What's legal today may not be legal tomorrow, just ask the Jews in WW2. Think it doesn't happen today, go ask LGBT people in Russia who are just short of being hunted like animals. And while you may think it can't happen in the US, there are politicians and groups working for exactly that, it was an American group who is responsible for the kill-the-gays bill in Uganda and someone almost got a kill-the-gays bill on the ballot in California (it required a judge to kill it). That was for THIS election cycle.  Then there is the AshleyMadison (A.M.) leak, it's already known that there are several women and gay men on there living in Saudi Arabia who will probably be executed for being on the site (they have their email addresses already), regardless of whether they did anything. A.M. was charging people to remove their data (blackmail?), but apparently wasn't. This is heading towards courtrooms already, but that doesn't help those people in Saudi Arabia, those lose their jobs over this, or those currently being blackmailed over it all.

Your data tells a LOT about you and it doesn't take much.



Facebook WISHES they could get the kind of data MS already collects, let alone what they can get from Win10 users now...
Sorry, but no.
There's a major difference in what MS could collect were it legal and a smart business move verses what MS actually does collect. I think companies and governments would object to outright spying on every employee. Not only would MS sales plummet, but they would be sued into oblivion.

Which is why it's all able to be turned off.
Facebook wouldn't have it an option, they would just collect the info, you opted in when you signed up. MS can't do that with Windows due to sealed EULAS and government contracts.

Credit ratings are already, and always have been, based on large-scale data aggregation. Nobody is looking at whether you visit GeekHack.org. But the fact is, you can take a list of people who've declared bankruptcy or defaulted on loans, run it through an algorithm, and find statistically significant links between delinquency and certain behaviors.

For example, let's say they determine that 30% of people who've applied for 5 or more credit cards in 5 years, end up insolvent. So, if someone has been applying for a lot of credit cards, that's a strong indicator that they may not make good on the loan you're thinking about giving them.

Doubleclick would have been more of the same, just a little more insightful. I'm sure plenty of GeekHack users have excellent credit, so the algorithms wouldn't trigger a flag for that.

Regarding the Ashley Madison thing, I haven't been following that closely because frankly the whole idea behind the website is dispicable and if I wanted to watch bad things happen to bad people I'd watch a soap opera or read Us Weekly. But your point is moot to this discussion because that's not anonymous data.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #306 on: Sun, 23 August 2015, 03:37:09 »
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Only in this case, it's not even safety we're giving up our liberty for, it's convenience.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #307 on: Sun, 23 August 2015, 06:08:36 »
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Only in this case, it's not even safety we're giving up our liberty for, it's convenience.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #308 on: Sun, 23 August 2015, 06:55:23 »

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Only in this case, it's not even safety we're giving up our liberty for, it's convenience.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #309 on: Sun, 23 August 2015, 07:34:11 »
Yea.. but... seriously..

What could they want to know about me...  that's so bad...

The only socially objectionable thing done online is a bit of pr0n...
That sounds like a variation of the Nothing to hide argument to me ...

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #310 on: Sun, 23 August 2015, 08:00:59 »
I liked this thread more when it was about windows 10 and not a collection of self righteous posts about 'freedom' and 'liberties'

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #311 on: Sun, 23 August 2015, 13:11:47 »
Also..

The digital monitoring system is ALREADY in place..


It's similar to the fact that there are already billions of GUNS in the general population's hands,

You can't collect them all,  and no one would turn them in.


The Digital privacy destroying computer net has already been built..


You can yell at these guys all you want,  but they make more money than you do..

So guess what,   Oligarchy oligarchy oligarchy,   we're pooor so we have no say..



I'm not saying GIVE UP the fight..    But rich people politics is not where our salvation begins..


You want to fight the power,  you gotta get rich and find competitive advantages in other arenas...



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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #312 on: Sun, 23 August 2015, 13:52:38 »
It's actually not that hard. Switch to Linux, use VPNs or ssh, use encryption. Hell, they're struggling even to get a handle on Tor.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #313 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 02:14:10 »
...   we're pooor so we have no say..

...  you gotta get rich and find competitive advantages in other arenas...

I disagree. Enough people making a fuss can change things. Too many people simply have the "I can't do anything about it myself, I'm too poor and only one person, what can I possibly do, so I'll just go along with it." attitude and the end result is companies getting away with doing despicable things in the name of "profit".

@baldgye, these "self righteous posts about 'freedom' and 'liberties'" are perfectly on topic, and all about Windows 10. If MS had made different choices in the way they did things with it, there would be no need for this discussion and we could all talk about the UI or general performance or drivers and such instead.

How is MS planing to make money from the release of Win10? Selling YOUR data to their real customers.

Here in the EU we have laws requiring full disclosure of what a company has the rights to do and will do with personal information. Windows 10 is in violation of these laws and MS will have to change something in the installation process at a minimum to be even be legal here.

@godly_music: You don't even have to go that far. A customised Win7 install with all the BS cut out allows you full control of your machine again and you have access to a broader application base. But then you still have to be careful of WHICH applications you run and which services you buy into. As I said, I use a customised Android ROM and Win7 and I feel I have a good balance of functionality / convenience without sacrificing my rights.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #316 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 04:24:26 »
I experienced my PC starting itself up last night. My gf was in the room when it happened, but she is convinced it's a virus.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #317 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 04:43:54 »
I experienced my PC starting itself up last night. My gf was in the room when it happened, but she is convinced it's a virus.

Is Wake on LAN enabled, and something on your network is sending spurious packets?
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #318 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 04:49:22 »
Is Wake on LAN enabled

Not that I'm aware of.

and something on your network is sending spurious packets?

I don't think so. It doesn't routinely boot up every night, and i'm not sure if there is something sending random packets some nights more than others.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #319 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 05:51:46 »
Or a weird power fluctuation?  My Mac does that sometimes if something happens in the same room, like the kettle boiling while the Mac is asleep, it will sometimes spontaneously wake itself up.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #320 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 05:55:15 »
Or a weird power fluctuation?  My Mac does that sometimes if something happens in the same room, like the kettle boiling while the Mac is asleep, it will sometimes spontaneously wake itself up.

Jeez Rowdy keep it down bro, your mac is tryin to sleep!

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #321 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 06:13:57 »
It's actually not that hard. Switch to Linux, use VPNs or ssh, use encryption. Hell, they're struggling even to get a handle on Tor.

Dude... as soon as you're on tor,  you're on the Po-Po's LIST...

Also,  don't use tor...   Fantastic concept...  not a good follow through as of now...  it's like jailbroken internet... 

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #322 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 06:39:54 »
If anyone still needs to use a Windows OS what's so bad about Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate?

Still works as intended minus the mobile phone interface (truly despise Win 8 on wards with such passion).

Win 7 can still be customized to what ever you require and works quite effectively with numerous peripherals and has numerous drivers available for it.

Still trying out LinuxMint 17.2 and am quite surprised with it's ability to set up and run some of my hardware.  Brilliant as a web machine and email correspondence so this maybe my permanent set up from now on  :thumb: .

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #323 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 07:46:04 »
Dude... as soon as you're on tor,  you're on the Po-Po's LIST...

Also,  don't use tor...   Fantastic concept...  not a good follow through as of now...  it's like jailbroken internet... 

I'm not saying use it. Certainly not for anything sensitive. I'm saying they can't get through it, and not for lack of trying. SSL/TLS on the other hand, we can assume they've already cracked or social engineered their way into.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #324 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 16:45:46 »
http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/23/9191989/windows-privacy-and-you

That gives a slightly more balanced look (or "pro-Microsoft", if you prefer).

If anyone still needs to use a Windows OS what's so bad about Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate?

Win 7 can still be customized to what ever you require and works quite effectively with numerous peripherals and has numerous drivers available for it.

You could also say this about Windows XP.  And in a few years time when Windows 7 support ends (for the nth time, we will probably, reluctantly, be discussing upgrading to whatever Microsoft have produced then.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #325 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 22:09:32 »
Dude... as soon as you're on tor,  you're on the Po-Po's LIST...

Also,  don't use tor...   Fantastic concept...  not a good follow through as of now...  it's like jailbroken internet... 

I'm not saying use it. Certainly not for anything sensitive. I'm saying they can't get through it, and not for lack of trying. SSL/TLS on the other hand, we can assume they've already cracked or social engineered their way into.



Also,  you know that pangu ipho unlock.. seriously.. CHINESE team, release an IPHO unlocker..

If that's not government sponsored hacking,  IDK what is..

hahahahahahha  Newbs...

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #326 on: Mon, 24 August 2015, 22:25:29 »
You could also say this about Windows XP.  And in a few years time when Windows 7 support ends (for the nth time, we will probably, reluctantly, be discussing upgrading to whatever Microsoft have produced then.

Probably by then, I would move on over completely to some Linux Distribution only because Microsoft will be going in the opposite direction to where I want to be going.

Don't forget Microsoft is losing market share not building it year by year, especially within business circles, we already have some weird BSD setup that the entire company relies upon and has not yet died on us, compared to previous installs of Windows NT 3.51 and the NT 4.0 versions that routinely failed and took nearly forever to rectify.

Not saying that Linux will one day take over but our business which use to pay large amounts of money (per year) for MS support has now gone with a different operating system and cut the costs in support down by half.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #327 on: Tue, 25 August 2015, 03:18:00 »
If anyone still needs to use a Windows OS what's so bad about Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate?
Win7 is not innocent either, the same fears were out there when it was released just to a lesser extent, and in both cases some can be disabled and some cannot. Expect the next major Windows OS or update to have even fewer privacy options.

The dirty little secret being drowned out inline by the Win10 talk is that they backported the telemetry system from Win10 into everything clear back to Win7. This can be removed, if you know the packages, or just not update, but every update brings risk. Many I.T. people are just doing security patches only, but with how MS handled the Win10 upgrade notification, you can't really trust Microsoft's method of labeling it a security patch. The Win10 update was marked critical.

In the end though, if it's online, it goes through several routers, all of which can be tracking what you do and where you go.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #328 on: Tue, 25 August 2015, 05:23:34 »
The only thing I use Windows for at home is gaming.  My main PC is a Mac, my main server runs Ubuntu (at the moment, upgrading to CentOS when I get the chance).

I don't really do much of anything on the Windows box except games.

I wish I had the same choice at work, but our software is primarily Windows and we need to keep up with our clients, or at least thoroughly test everything on each new Windows release.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

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"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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Offline Oobly

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #330 on: Wed, 26 August 2015, 07:14:03 »
Windows 10 automatically spies on your children and sends you a dossier of their activity

And of course, the email wasn't sent from the kid's PC, so the data came from an MS server... So the data was collected by Win10 and SENT to the MS server. And the only way to turn it off is in an accounts setting on another MS server... it requires the child to log on to then update the settings locally, from the online server. Doesn't say it stops collecting the data, just that it won't send you a report on it.

You can argue 'til you're blue in the face about how MS isn't going to use the data it collects immorally, but I'd just point you to all the immoral things MS has done in the past and let you draw your own conclusion. MS is not your trusted buddy and should not be treated like they are. Quarantine that crap.

About Win7, of course one of the most important parts of making the customised install is removing updates. Get a good build with all you need, disable / remove any junk and enjoy your PC. I have yet to see a vulnerability that a security patch fixes that would affect any machine that's carefully used (no MS Office, no Flash, no dodgy websites, no dodgy software, use a decent well setup router).

I haven't had any malware on my machines since I stopped getting games from friends on floppy discs that had been inserted into more drives than.... well, I won't go there.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #331 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 11:24:25 »
I have not stuck with an upgraded Win 10 system up to this point.  Have upgraded, registered, and then did a fresh install.  (which seems to be the only way to retain correct licensing)

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #332 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 17:51:33 »
I have nothing to contribute other than state I'll be moving to Linux full-time after Win 7 support ends; primarily Mint xfce and Knoppix.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #333 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 21:58:30 »
Windows: it's always the next version

How many more versions until Microsoft abandons Metro all together?

How many more versions until Microsoft UI designers can agree on menus and icons?

The Mac is very consistent in that area - one company builds the hardware and writes the operating system and utilities, and has fairly strict guidelines on how applications should look and feel.  Walled garden?  Maybe, but everything Just Works, everything works pretty much exactly the same, and everything looks consistent.

I will grant that GNU/Linux is a mishmash of different visual styles and menus and icons and everything else, which is kinda to be expected as each part of the OS and GUI comes from a different source.

You'd at least hope that one Microsoft application would look and act like other Microsoft applications.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #334 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 22:53:46 »
The Mac is very consistent in that area - one company builds the hardware and writes the operating system and utilities, and has fairly strict guidelines on how applications should look and feel.  Walled garden?  Maybe, but everything Just Works, everything works pretty much exactly the same, and everything looks consistent.

I don't own a Mac anymore but one of my big issues with OSX is whenever an update would roll out a number of my apps would break; and then I'd have to wait for updates on those apps.  Needless to say after a while I held out on updates as long as possible.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #335 on: Fri, 28 August 2015, 23:14:53 »
I upgraded to Windows 7, because Video-Games


Luckily, I've outgrown the AAA game types.




Eventually,  The only thing I'll upgrade for is some sort of New Memory/Storage architecture that they'll stop supporting on Windows 7..



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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #336 on: Sat, 29 August 2015, 03:15:07 »
I have nothing to contribute other than state I'll be moving to Linux full-time after Win 7 support ends; primarily Mint xfce and Knoppix.

I, primarily, re-introduced Windows to my home several years ago once I started working for security vendors.  Need platforms on which to eat my employers own dog food.  :)

As I have mentioned several times before, as a former, long-time UNIX admin, I was completely disinterested in Macs until OS X was released.  Macs have held a prominent place in my computing life ever since.  (as has linux since around 1994)


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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #337 on: Sat, 29 August 2015, 05:53:48 »
The Mac is very consistent in that area - one company builds the hardware and writes the operating system and utilities, and has fairly strict guidelines on how applications should look and feel.  Walled garden?  Maybe, but everything Just Works, everything works pretty much exactly the same, and everything looks consistent.

I don't own a Mac anymore but one of my big issues with OSX is whenever an update would roll out a number of my apps would break; and then I'd have to wait for updates on those apps.  Needless to say after a while I held out on updates as long as possible.

Maybe I've been lucky, but I went from 10.4 to 10.5, and then 10.6 (admittedly 10.6 on a new Mac, but the same apps) and no breakages.

I waited to go to 10.7 'cause a few apps I had were not immediately supported.  Time passed and 10.8 came out, same excuse.  More time passed and 10.9 came out.  Same excuse again, although this time I actually got a replacement HDD for my Mac).  Even more time passed and 10.10 came out.

Now I think most if not all of the apps I use work on 10.9, and I'd hesitate to upgrade further as 10.10 does not run spectacularly well on my old Mac.

Back on topic, I've heard rumours that some of the third party libraries we are heavily dependent on at work for our Windows apps don't run on Windows 10.  If that's true, then 7 (or 8.1 as one or two hardy individuals have suffered) will be the end of the line until the next major rewrite is ready.

I, primarily, re-introduced Windows to my home several years ago once I started working for security vendors.  Need platforms on which to eat my employers own dog food.  :)

As I have mentioned several times before, as a former, long-time UNIX admin, I was completely disinterested in Macs until OS X was released.  Macs have held a prominent place in my computing life ever since.  (as has linux since around 1994)

It has been said that OS X is Unix with a GUI done well on top.  I would more or less agree with that, although Apple have moved a lot of Unixy files around.  However the GUI does just work, and it is easy to forget that you are working on a Unix-like system on the Mac.  Compare that to GNU/Linux where I am constantly reminded.

OTOH Windows has almost none of the Unix utilities that I am used to, so I know exactly when I am stuck on Windows.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #338 on: Sat, 29 August 2015, 11:51:47 »
I have nothing to contribute other than state I'll be moving to Linux full-time after Win 7 support ends; primarily Mint xfce and Knoppix.

I, primarily, re-introduced Windows to my home several years ago once I started working for security vendors.  Need platforms on which to eat my employers own dog food.  :)

As I have mentioned several times before, as a former, long-time UNIX admin, I was completely disinterested in Macs until OS X was released.  Macs have held a prominent place in my computing life ever since.  (as has linux since around 1994)

This is pretty much my experience--hadn't used Windows since about 2002 when I switched to Gentoo Linux. I used Linux almost exclusively up until about three years ago when my new job demanded a Windows environment. These days at work I mainly use the most recent Windows version (currently on 10 with zero issues). A large part of my professional IT work is now Windows Server support along with Azure Active Directory & Office 365, but I also maintain a number of remote Linux installations for web servers and the like. I also have a 2011 iMac on the other leg of my L-shaped desk.

My personal desktop runs Ubuntu. I switched from Arch Linux a few years ago because keeping current was becoming too difficult (and you really have to keep current to maintain a running Arch box, as they are known for breaking their own compatibility at times...it's a Linux enthusiast's distro). My personal laptop right now is a Chromebook Pixel. I probably wouldn't buy it again, since I often wish I had access to my Adobe CS apps from my laptop. But if I hadn't gotten the Pixel I probably would've gotten a MacBook Pro, which cost about $1K more than the Pixel, and I really don't know how efficient I could be in Photoshop or Indesign on a 13-inch screen, so maybe it's all for the better.

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Offline digi

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #339 on: Wed, 02 September 2015, 10:05:03 »
Upgraded to Windows 10 last night. Who remembers the good ole' days when an Operating System was just......an Operating System?

I literally turned off every Privacy switch in the control panel and had to disable all that stupid Camera / Web Browsing prediction stuff during Setup. I think their still watching me though.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #340 on: Wed, 02 September 2015, 21:50:50 »
WINDOWS! EVERYTHING SUNNY ALL THE TIME ALWAYS, GOOD TIME BEACH PARTY!

Alpine Winter GB | My Personal TMK Firmware Repo
IBM Rubber Band "Floss" Mod | Click Modding Alps 101 | Flame-Polishing Cherry MX Stems
Review: hasu's USB to USB converter
My boards:
More
AEKII 60% | Alps64 HHKB | Ducky Shine 3, MX Blues | IBM Model M #1391401, Nov. 1990 | IBM SSK #1391472, Nov. 1987, screw modded, rubber-band modded | Noppoo EC108-Pro, 45g | Infinity 60% v2 Hacker, Matias Quiet Pros | Infinity 60% v2 Standard, MX Browns | Cherry G80-1800LPCEU-2, MX Blacks | Cherry G80-1813 (Dolch), MX Blues | Unicomp M-122, ANSI-modded | Unicomp M-122 (Unsaver mod in progress) | 2x Unitek K-258, White Alps | Apple boards (IIGS, AEKII) | Varmilo VA87MR, Gateron Blacks | Filco Zero TKL, Fukka White Alps | Planck, Gateron Browns | Monarch, click-modded Cream Alps

Offline Oobly

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #341 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:38:23 »
WINDOWS! EVERYTHING SUNNY ALL THE TIME ALWAYS, GOOD TIME BEACH PARTY!

microsoft windows alt account? ;)
Buying more keycaps,
it really hacks my wallet,
but I must have them.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #342 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 13:14:30 »
Good news to all Windows 10 fanboys and prolific Kool-Aid drinkers! Now, as an unlimited time offer, Windows Update will deliver to your Windows 7 or Windows 8 machine the same telemetry services you've come to know and love from Windows 10, free of charge!


Offline digi

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #343 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 13:16:58 »
Good news to all Windows 10 fanboys and prolific Kool-Aid drinkers! Now, as an unlimited time offer, Windows Update will deliver to your Windows 7 or Windows 8 machine the same telemetry services you've come to know and love from Windows 10, free of charge!



That's actually really good to know, thanks for sharing the link

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #344 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 13:41:38 »
Good news to all Windows 10 fanboys and prolific Kool-Aid drinkers! Now, as an unlimited time offer, Windows Update will deliver to your Windows 7 or Windows 8 machine the same telemetry services you've come to know and love from Windows 10, free of charge!



That's actually really good to know, thanks for sharing the link

Wow that's interesting.  I get that MS (and Apple and Google by the way) all want to know what their installs are being used for, but it seems quite excessive.

So I need to disable and hide those updates. 

And I need to block:
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
settings-win.data.microsoft.com

Are there other hosts I need to block?
I'm back.

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Offline godly_music

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #345 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 13:57:29 »
I think as long as you don't install the data mining services, you shouldn't have to touch the hosts file at all. The troublesome Updates are the following:

KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2977759
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3050265
KB3050267
KB3058168
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149

Not all of these may apply, they're collected from Windows 7 and 8, and Microsoft doesn't serve both OSes the same stuff. However, what you should do is check each non Security related update by hand from now on. The description is usually a dead giveaway.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #346 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 17:46:48 »
I think as long as you don't install the data mining services, you shouldn't have to touch the hosts file at all. The troublesome Updates are the following:

KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2977759
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3050265
KB3050267
KB3058168
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149

Not all of these may apply, they're collected from Windows 7 and 8, and Microsoft doesn't serve both OSes the same stuff. However, what you should do is check each non Security related update by hand from now on. The description is usually a dead giveaway.

Thanks for the heads-up!

I generally tend to hang off of installing updates on 7 for a little while, until it is convenient to reboot and until I know none of them causes critical failures.

I have about half of those in the list - now unselected.  Phew!
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline baldgye

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #347 on: Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:10:12 »
where are the win10 fanboys?

Offline heedpantsnow

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #348 on: Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:16:32 »
where are the win10 fanboys?

Working.  It's only the apple fanbois who have time to be fanboys.  :p


Edit:  sorry came across too salty; you apple peeps know that I love you  :-*
« Last Edit: Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:27:02 by heedpantsnow »
I'm back.

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Offline katushkin

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #349 on: Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:18:11 »
where are the win10 fanboys?

I love the One Drive link between my Windows phone and Win10. I don't ever have to connect my phone to my PC ever again. Pictures are almost instantly transferred to my PC after I take them.
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