SSD capacity

[phinix]

When do you guys think we are going to see really big capacity SSDs in affordable prices?
Like 8TB and more?
We can get nice 4TB SSD (Crucial P3) for as cheap as $170, but as far as I saw 8TB is max we can find and its not just twice as 4TB part.
I guess nowadays 2TB SSD is cheap enough to be a standard. I wish we could get 8TB widely available for $250 for example.
When could this happen?

[Leslieann]

It's probably going to take a generational leap in tech before they drop that far and we're exceeding what the average user needs so don't expect them to really push on it.

As for when, there's a ton going on right now and we're seeing the end of Moore's Law so it's a bit hard to speculate but if I had to guess I'd say 1-2 years.
Keep in mind, memory has always been extremely volatile on pricing, someone could drop a new chip and crash prices or a lack of new chips/available foundries could cause stagnation, or a chip foundry could flood and close one causing a rise in prices...

[Darthbaggins]

You mainly see it after enterprise has seeped into the consumer market, so like LA mentioned, it will take a few years.  I'm happy with the lower cost of 2TB drives as I can migrate my game array and work array off the old 1TB 840 EVOs they are on.

[phinix]

I'm waiting till they make it mainstream - 8TB SSDs at low prices, so I could swap my 4TB USB 2.5 HDDs storage to SSDs

[Valcro]

For personal use, I'll bet a lot of time. Businesses wants you to store your data in the cloud so they can milk our pockets monthly.

[phinix]

Recently looks like SSD manuafacturers rather want to race against each other with SSD R/W speeds, instead of raising its capacity...

[mohawk1367]

personally i dont feel like theres a need for higher capacity ssds honestly

[phinix]

personally i dont feel like theres a need for higher capacity ssds honestly

4TB is enough in most cases yes, but if your hobby is cinematography and you collect 3000 movies, then you need a bigger drive, or else you gonna end up having multiple ones and shuffling....

[noisyturtle]

I'm running 8 separate internal 500GB ssds, and they are severely disorganized since I'm always shifting things around to make room and I am still constantly out of space. I had to download a special mobo driver just so my old junker can run them all, as it natively only supports 4.

I would freaking love to replace all that with just 2 4tb drives.

[Leslieann]

I would have agreed with 4tb 2-4 years ago but today with big games regularly coming in at 100+Gb, no.
4 today is where 2 Tb was a couple years ago and that's thanks to bloated game sizes.

Give it a year or two and 4Tb is going to feel cramped if you game much, if it's not already cramping you.

Forza - 150GB
Star Wars Jedi Survivor 155GB
Forespoken 150GB
Microsoft Flight Sim 150GB
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 150GB
Final Fantasy xv - 148GB
Halo Master Chief Collection - 140GB
Rainbow 6 Siege - 130GB
Call of Duty Mw2 - 120GB

While some of these include space for decompressing necessary install files and are not the final install size, if you use mods these sizes will pale in comparison. Mods can double, triple or even massively expand a games size, take for for example mine..
Fallout 4 - no mods 30Gb, with mods, almost 70GB
Left4Dead2  - no mods - 13GB, with mods over 500 GB
Then there's flight sim mods, high res X-Plane resolution terrain packs will put you into the multi-TB space really fast.

[tp4tissue]

Unless you play those exact games, all in a row, 2TB is still ok.

[noisyturtle]

Don't forget 4k movies. Some movies on my drives are over 40Gb, and there are hundreds of them!

[tp4tissue]

Don't forget 4k movies. Some movies on my drives are over 40Gb, and there are hundreds of them!

Max bitrate for UHD movies is a little over 100mbit, Store them contiguously on HDD, it seeks about as fast as SSD would.

[Rhienfo]

8TB is probably more than enough. Probably necessary when more games start to get to ridiculous sizes but for now you could probably be fine with 4TB.

Also if you sale the seven seas it adds up as well.

Recently looks like SSD manuafacturers rather want to race against each other with SSD R/W speeds, instead of raising its capacity...

I hope companies start to just give us increasingly large sizes for the sake of marketing. Like 128TB of storage would be funny to see.

[mohawk1367]

personally i dont feel like theres a need for higher capacity ssds honestly

4TB is enough in most cases yes, but if your hobby is cinematography and you collect 3000 movies, then you need a bigger drive, or else you gonna end up having multiple ones and shuffling....

in that case, i say: Why the hell do you have 3000 movies

[tp4tissue]

Only elite members of the Never Outside Society has watched 3000+ movies.

[phinix]

personally i dont feel like theres a need for higher capacity ssds honestly

4TB is enough in most cases yes, but if your hobby is cinematography and you collect 3000 movies, then you need a bigger drive, or else you gonna end up having multiple ones and shuffling....

in that case, i say: Why the hell do you have 3000 movies

I like movies, I'm collecting them, but only those that I liked or important part of the cinematography.

[phinix]

Only elite members of the Never Outside Society has watched 3000+ movies.

I definitely watched more than 3000

[fohat.digs]

I definitely watched more than 3000

Me too, but the movies that I would want to download or rip to store them permanently at home on my own device is a small subset of the ones that I have merely watched.

[phinix]

I definitely watched more than 3000

Me too, but the movies that I would want to download or rip to store them permanently at home on my own device is a small subset of the ones that I have merely watched.

I keep those that I liked and were not terrible
Especially 80-90s movies

[mohawk1367]

personally i dont feel like theres a need for higher capacity ssds honestly

4TB is enough in most cases yes, but if your hobby is cinematography and you collect 3000 movies, then you need a bigger drive, or else you gonna end up having multiple ones and shuffling....

i feel like thats just a special case then. if you have a hobby like that where you use a large amount of digital storage then i think you should expect to need a specialty drive/amount of storage. most SSDs arent made for cinematography enthusiasts haha. i do some photography and i just accept that im not the average customer for companies that make these storage mediums
in that case, i say: Why the hell do you have 3000 movies

I like movies, I'm collecting them, but only those that I liked or important part of the cinematography.

[phinix]

Well, I did it!
Beautiful little thing
Bought it with 20% discount code from local e-retailer.

 

[tp4tissue]

8tb , that's huge. 

[phinix]

8tb , that's huge. 

Yeah, cool, isn't it? I'm impressed.
To compare, my first SSD I bought was OCZ Vertex 32GB, paid for it £230 as far as I remember. Now, for 8000GB I paid £280.
I have already run couple of full re-recordings of my collection of movies, games, mp3 music and tv shows. Collection of course grew in amount of data, by getting new games, mp3s, or higher res movies.
First was burning it all on 650MB CDs, I had maybe a thousand. Then, years later, when they released 4.7GB DVDs I burnt it all again, reducing amount of discs.
Then did it again when they released double layer 8.5 GB DVDs, reducing collection by half. Then, I moved it all to portable 2.5" USB HDDs (4TB).
Tonight I dumping all stuff from HDDs to this single 8TB SSD.

[Axiom_]

8tb , that's huge. 

Yeah, cool, isn't it? I'm impressed.
To compare, my first SSD I bought was OCZ Vertex 32GB, paid for it £230 as far as I remember. Now, for 8000GB I paid £280.
I have already run couple of full re-recordings of my collection of movies, games, mp3 music and tv shows. Collection of course grew in amount of data, by getting new games, mp3s, or higher res movies.
First was burning it all on 650MB CDs, I had maybe a thousand. Then, years later, when they released 4.7GB DVDs I burnt it all again, reducing amount of discs.
Then did it again when they released double layer 8.5 GB DVDs, reducing collection by half. Then, I moved it all to portable 2.5" USB HDDs (4TB).
Tonight I dumping all stuff from HDDs to this single 8TB SSD.

8TB SSD media drives? What a time to be alive. Silly question, but do you have a backup for that (some sort of raid, NAS or cloud service)?

I learnt my lesson the hard way; I used to store media on a 2TB HDD. It died after 3 years and I lost all the files.

[phinix]

8tb , that's huge. 

Yeah, cool, isn't it? I'm impressed.
To compare, my first SSD I bought was OCZ Vertex 32GB, paid for it £230 as far as I remember. Now, for 8000GB I paid £280.
I have already run couple of full re-recordings of my collection of movies, games, mp3 music and tv shows. Collection of course grew in amount of data, by getting new games, mp3s, or higher res movies.
First was burning it all on 650MB CDs, I had maybe a thousand. Then, years later, when they released 4.7GB DVDs I burnt it all again, reducing amount of discs.
Then did it again when they released double layer 8.5 GB DVDs, reducing collection by half. Then, I moved it all to portable 2.5" USB HDDs (4TB).
Tonight I dumping all stuff from HDDs to this single 8TB SSD.

8TB SSD media drives? What a time to be alive. Silly question, but do you have a backup for that (some sort of raid, NAS or cloud service)?

I learnt my lesson the hard way; I used to store media on a 2TB HDD. It died after 3 years and I lost all the files.

At this moment I have a backup copy of it on 2x 4TB HDDs, but going to buy another 8TB SSD later
I need to have a backup fo it as this is huge and old collection, if I lose it I won't be able to gather this all again, some of 80s-90s movies might not be possible to find nowadays.

[Leslieann]

I learnt my lesson the hard way; I used to store media on a 2TB HDD. It died after 3 years and I lost all the files.

Pretty much everyone learns that way.
If you're lucky it's a slow death and you can save stuff or happens before you acquire too much stuff.

[Axiom_]

8tb , that's huge. 

Yeah, cool, isn't it? I'm impressed.
To compare, my first SSD I bought was OCZ Vertex 32GB, paid for it £230 as far as I remember. Now, for 8000GB I paid £280.
I have already run couple of full re-recordings of my collection of movies, games, mp3 music and tv shows. Collection of course grew in amount of data, by getting new games, mp3s, or higher res movies.
First was burning it all on 650MB CDs, I had maybe a thousand. Then, years later, when they released 4.7GB DVDs I burnt it all again, reducing amount of discs.
Then did it again when they released double layer 8.5 GB DVDs, reducing collection by half. Then, I moved it all to portable 2.5" USB HDDs (4TB).
Tonight I dumping all stuff from HDDs to this single 8TB SSD.

8TB SSD media drives? What a time to be alive. Silly question, but do you have a backup for that (some sort of raid, NAS or cloud service)?

I learnt my lesson the hard way; I used to store media on a 2TB HDD. It died after 3 years and I lost all the files.

At this moment I have a backup copy of it on 2x 4TB HDDs, but going to buy another 8TB SSD later
I need to have a backup fo it as this is huge and old collection, if I lose it I won't be able to gather this all again, some of 80s-90s movies might not be possible to find nowadays.

2 8TB drives for a raid setup perhaps?

You could consider building or buying a NAS and putting your old HDDs to use in it.
I personally use Synology ones and they come with a thing called Video Station that lets you stream videos directly from your NAS to most devices (PC, tablet, TV). I think that feature will be tremendously useful for your situation.

Considering how priceless the collection is to you, I'd totally recommend making a backup to both a NAS and a low cost archiving service like Amazon Glacier (supported natively by Synology NAS).

I learnt my lesson the hard way; I used to store media on a 2TB HDD. It died after 3 years and I lost all the files.

Pretty much everyone learns that way.
If you're lucky it's a slow death and you can save stuff or happens before you acquire too much stuff.

Sad but true. Mine failed spectacularly, corrupting all the files on it as it made all sorts of clicks and clangs.
I decided to take data backup more seriously and went down the NAS + cloud path after that. I'll never not use a NAS.

[phinix]

8tb , that's huge. 

Yeah, cool, isn't it? I'm impressed.
To compare, my first SSD I bought was OCZ Vertex 32GB, paid for it £230 as far as I remember. Now, for 8000GB I paid £280.
I have already run couple of full re-recordings of my collection of movies, games, mp3 music and tv shows. Collection of course grew in amount of data, by getting new games, mp3s, or higher res movies.
First was burning it all on 650MB CDs, I had maybe a thousand. Then, years later, when they released 4.7GB DVDs I burnt it all again, reducing amount of discs.
Then did it again when they released double layer 8.5 GB DVDs, reducing collection by half. Then, I moved it all to portable 2.5" USB HDDs (4TB).
Tonight I dumping all stuff from HDDs to this single 8TB SSD.

8TB SSD media drives? What a time to be alive. Silly question, but do you have a backup for that (some sort of raid, NAS or cloud service)?

I learnt my lesson the hard way; I used to store media on a 2TB HDD. It died after 3 years and I lost all the files.

At this moment I have a backup copy of it on 2x 4TB HDDs, but going to buy another 8TB SSD later
I need to have a backup fo it as this is huge and old collection, if I lose it I won't be able to gather this all again, some of 80s-90s movies might not be possible to find nowadays.

2 8TB drives for a raid setup perhaps?

You could consider building or buying a NAS and putting your old HDDs to use in it.
I personally use Synology ones and they come with a thing called Video Station that lets you stream videos directly from your NAS to most devices (PC, tablet, TV). I think that feature will be tremendously useful for your situation.

Considering how priceless the collection is to you, I'd totally recommend making a backup to both a NAS and a low cost archiving service like Amazon Glacier (supported natively by Synology NAS).

I learnt my lesson the hard way; I used to store media on a 2TB HDD. It died after 3 years and I lost all the files.

Pretty much everyone learns that way.
If you're lucky it's a slow death and you can save stuff or happens before you acquire too much stuff.

Sad but true. Mine failed spectacularly, corrupting all the files on it as it made all sorts of clicks and clangs.
I decided to take data backup more seriously and went down the NAS + cloud path after that. I'll never not use a NAS.

No, I'm not doing raid as its external drive, I use it on usb cable to multiple computers. No need for a raid.

[Axiom_]

2 8TB drives for a raid setup perhaps?

No, I'm not doing raid as its external drive, I use it on usb cable to multiple computers. No need for a raid.

I see, you're using it as a portable drive. That'll work nicely in conjunction with your backups.

[Leslieann]

NAS and file servers...
Telling, you guys, sooo much easier and nicer.

24/7 access, remote access, smaller main system, lower power consumption (due to not leaving your power hungry desktop running all the time) also lets you offload work and things such as backup from your desktop...
And you can build it out of almost any spare hardware, I've even used tablets and laptops.

[Axiom_]

NAS and file servers...
Telling, you guys, sooo much easier and nicer.

24/7 access, remote access, smaller main system, lower power consumption (due to not leaving your power hungry desktop running all the time) also lets you offload work and things such as backup from your desktop...
And you can build it out of almost any spare hardware, I've even used tablets and laptops.

Couldn't agree more, NAS really is the way to go.

[phinix]

I dont need NAS. I do not use this drive most of the time, I mean only if I want to watch old movie, or save some new ones on it.

[Mandan]

I had a 500Gb SSD die recently.  I popped it open and it had four 125Gb chips in it.  Just at that density, there was enough room for at least four terabytes of chips.  The drive was neither new nor expensive; I expect density is much  higher now.

[TomahawkLabs]

I love the M.2 form factor. My PC is rather robust as far as storage goes, but my 2x 1Tb NVMe drives work so well, require no cabling for power or data and are faster than my SATA drives. I hope we see a big push from Mobo manufactures for 2-3 M.2 slots on boards.

[noisyturtle]

I need an external 2Tb drive to hold all my movies when I travel, or just want to watch in the living room.

Currently eyeing the Samsung T9 as it seems to have the highest read speed. Worried about longevity though, Samsung done me dirty in the past.

[phinix]

I need an external 2Tb drive to hold all my movies when I travel, or just want to watch in the living room.

Currently eyeing the Samsung T9 as it seems to have the highest read speed. Worried about longevity though, Samsung done me dirty in the past.

If price is a concern, maybe look at T7, should be 30% cheaper and I personally don't see real use speed difference - I mean it won't be noticeable when reading movie files.
Crucial X9 2TB is even cheaper.

[ArchDill]

I am terrified of losing data so I usually stick with 1-2tb and then just buy more. Is doing it like that actually more efficient? Probably not.

[phinix]

I am terrified of losing data so I usually stick with 1-2tb and then just buy more. Is doing it like that actually more efficient? Probably not.

Well, it is scary, its good to have a copy of everything, I used to have 2-3 copies of everything back in 90s

Guess what, I bought 8TB SSD recently, copied over all my movies and then drive died after few uses, like 2 weeks after it showed on Windows it needs formatting, just like that...
I lost everything on it, but had a copy on regular drive, so copied over again after formatting. It lost it again after a day. So it was faulty, I sent back to shop and got replacement.
Having a copy saved me. So if you have around 2TB of data, then yeah, I would have a copy of it on at least another one.

[ArchDill]

Dang, I am so sorry. That is a lot to lose!

I am terrified of losing data so I usually stick with 1-2tb and then just buy more. Is doing it like that actually more efficient? Probably not.

Well, it is scary, its good to have a copy of everything, I used to have 2-3 copies of everything back in 90s

Guess what, I bought 8TB SSD recently, copied over all my movies and then drive died after few uses, like 2 weeks after it showed on Windows it needs formatting, just like that...
I lost everything on it, but had a copy on regular drive, so copied over again after formatting. It lost it again after a day. So it was faulty, I sent back to shop and got replacement.
Having a copy saved me. So if you have around 2TB of data, then yeah, I would have a copy of it on at least another one.

[tp4tissue]

They is say prices are going up.  Is that BS, or buy now ?

[phinix]

They is say prices are going up.  Is that BS, or buy now ?

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I saw that too. Is that for real?

[Leslieann]

Seems to always around this time of year, it should drop down again end of summer.

[_rubik]

I still waiting for the day I can build an SSD nas at the same capacity as my current 6x 8tb spinning rust nas. I have maybe 2.5 years of uptime on the current drives, so I'm hoping that in another 3 years SSD prices mean I could switch everything over to SSD and use the old spinning disks as a backup.

I'm praying that this AI craze will also drive storage tech since those training datasets are many many PB

[tp4tissue]

Tp bough the 4tb sn850x just in case, not the best price. $250 after tax.

Learned the hard way that PCIE slots are precious, no more 2TB drives 4 Tp.

[phinix]

Seems to always around this time of year, it should drop down again end of summer.

Cool. Yeah, I noticed the pattern over the years. SOmetimes it fluctuates, but goes up around summer time. What could be the reason?

[Leslieann]

Seems to always around this time of year, it should drop down again end of summer.

Cool. Yeah, I noticed the pattern over the years. SOmetimes it fluctuates, but goes up around summer time. What could be the reason?

Manufacturing/shipping for Christmas starts 5-9 months ahead of Christmas.
Stores like Walmart are making orders clear back in March and even smaller industries such as bicycle shops have to have their Christmas orders placed by June if they expect to have it in time. Christmas manufacturing starts ramping up around now and a lot is stored in shipping containers, not warehouses, tying up containers/storage yards and as we roll into summer it starts making it's way onto ships tying those up. The manufacturing side starts to ease up at the end of summer and they begin to have an excess of inventory (and slow sales) and now need to dump it though shipping is still a bit high. By January they have a grasp on inventory and shipping so prices sit relatively stable until the whole cycle starts over again.

A LOT of industries tread water all year except Christmas so everything cycles based on it.

[_rubik]

even smaller industries such as bicycle shops have to have their Christmas orders placed by June if they expect to have it in time

Don't get me started on the cycling industry manufacturing shortages. The local bike bubble here nearly rivaled the Pokemon craze over covid. If only I could sell my many-year-old heavily used HDD for 2x retail like I could a dirty road bike.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 bough ssd adapter, board came damaged. They cramming too many things into too small a box. SMD component busted off.

[Leslieann]

even smaller industries such as bicycle shops have to have their Christmas orders placed by June if they expect to have it in time

Don't get me started on the cycling industry manufacturing shortages. The local bike bubble here nearly rivaled the Pokemon craze over covid. If only I could sell my many-year-old heavily used HDD for 2x retail like I could a dirty road bike.

I haven't looked, but the industry was in freefall just before Christmas (which is really rare), sales tanked and a bunch of companies were on the edge of going under.
Not sure why but I guess they expected the party to keep going forever. I was extremely temped to upgrade but I just didn't want to saddle myself with payments for a year and work has me working long hours anyhow so..

Check Jensenusa, they always have killer deals.