A bit computer upgrade advice

[fanpeople]

Hey

So I would like to upgrade something in my computer ie BF1 needs to be crisper

My current computer is as follows

I7 3770k
Asrock z68 pro 3 M
16 GB of ram (no one cares about brand but gskill)
GTX 770 Gigabyte OC
Samsung 840 Pro 256 tons of fun
HDD (a bunch of TB no one cares)
Seagate platinum 700w PSU (like 720 or something to be kinda closer, no one cares)

My question is should I just get a new GPU ie 1070 and do you think that would provide a significant boost to Battlefield graphics power with my current setup, I was thinking of a whole new setup but from what I gather the I5 6600K wouldn't provide that much of a boost if it was even noticeable. Even with the I7 6700k I don't think the power boost is worth it with regards to cost.

My only concern, current mobo is only Pcie version 2, so would a new gpu be a waste in that case. Would it be better to say find a second hand z77 and then get a new GPU. Or would just the GPU be good enough?

For context, only use computer for watching ma Idubbbz videos on youtube and playing Gmod, CS (notgo), BF1.... and a lot of porn.

OR **** IT YOLO NEW SETUP?

Any opinions are greatly appreciated.

[Badwrench]

You will see a nice boost moving from the 770 to the 1070.  Keep everything you have and just upgrade the gpu.  Pcie gen2 to gen3 will be negligible. 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/pci_express_scaling_game_performance_analysis_review,17.html

[tp4tissue]

You definitely get 35% more FPS on the 6700k...   assuming you lower the gpu settings and tune it for Competition settings on CS or CSgo

[fanpeople]

You will see a nice boost moving from the 770 to the 1070.  Keep everything you have and just upgrade the gpu.  Pcie gen2 to gen3 will be negligible. 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/pci_express_scaling_game_performance_analysis_review,17.html

Ah cool so the whole pcie gen issue is not that much of a big deal

[fanpeople]

You definitely get 35% more FPS on the 6700k...   assuming you lower the gpu settings and tune it for Competition settings on CS or CSgo

This would mean a while new system for an extra 20fps on lower graphic setting?

I guess its a case of better bf1 performance for 600 aus dolleridoos  vs a whole new system for about 1500 with offset of maybe 500 if i sell my old **** with minimal improvement in the cpu departement?

From a value for money perspective would you think that just the gpu upgrade would be best option?

Thats the way i am swinging at this stage.... swinging lel

[Badwrench]

You definitely get 35% more FPS on the 6700k...   assuming you lower the gpu settings and tune it for Competition settings on CS or CSgo

This would mean a while new system for an extra 20fps on lower graphic setting?

I guess its a case of better bf1 performance for 600 aus dolleridoos  vs a whole new system for about 1500 with offset of maybe 500 if i sell my old **** with minimal improvement in the cpu departement?

From a value for money perspective would you think that just the gpu upgrade would be best option?

Thats the way i am swinging at this stage.... swinging lel

This is only game specific and 35% is probably a bit optimistic.  A small oc on your current system (if it isn't already) would drop that difference considerably. 

Most bang for the buck is definitely upgrading the gpu.  Your build is still relevant in todays gaming scene. 

Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk

[tp4tissue]

You definitely get 35% more FPS on the 6700k...   assuming you lower the gpu settings and tune it for Competition settings on CS or CSgo

This would mean a while new system for an extra 20fps on lower graphic setting?

I guess its a case of better bf1 performance for 600 aus dolleridoos  vs a whole new system for about 1500 with offset of maybe 500 if i sell my old **** with minimal improvement in the cpu departement?

From a value for money perspective would you think that just the gpu upgrade would be best option?

Thats the way i am swinging at this stage.... swinging lel

This is only game specific and 35% is probably a bit optimistic.  A small oc on your current system (if it isn't already) would drop that difference considerably. 

Most bang for the buck is definitely upgrading the gpu.  Your build is still relevant in todays gaming scene. 

Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk

No.. 35% is guaranteed if moving to 6700k..

That is the clock for clock difference between 3xxx and 6xxx


The rate will obviously drop if you increase the graphic setting to where the GPU is the limiter.

However that's not how you play cs or cs go.   all pros use settings to maximize fps

[fanpeople]

Yeah cs isnt really the concern, thata my drunk game. Bf1 is the bigget issue as currently playing on lowest setting, i get dx issues with higher settings, dont know if directly related to gpu but still going to need more power for good graphics expirence

[tp4tissue]

Yeah cs isnt really the concern, thata my drunk game. Bf1 is the bigget issue as currently playing on lowest setting, i get dx issues with higher settings, dont know if directly related to gpu but still going to need more power for good graphics expirence

BF1 imho isn't --enjoyable-- until you some gtx1080 SLI     Cuz without the eye candy.. what's the point, You might as well play BF4...

[fanpeople]

Yeah cs isnt really the concern, thata my drunk game. Bf1 is the bigget issue as currently playing on lowest setting, i get dx issues with higher settings, dont know if directly related to gpu but still going to need more power for good graphics expirence

BF1 imho isn't --enjoyable-- until you some gtx1080 SLI     Cuz without the eye candy.. what's the point, You might as well play BF4...

Tp pls i just want to go above low without going into debt

[clappingcactus]

Upgrading now is kind of awkward.

The next reasonable full upgrade cycle should be around late 2018/early 2019 with Cannonlake (new instruction set). Any benefits you see from upgrading to Skylake right now will be doubled with Cannonlake. The 2500k and 3770k should still be good until then! If anything, upgrading your RAM to a higher bandwidth should give you half the performance moving to Skylake would net you.

Now the issue with graphics cards is confounded. NVidia and AMD both moved to a smaller architecture without actually using the benefits that came with all the new techs. NVidia for example still has no proper implementation for Asynchronous Compute (setting a serious end-of-life limit on these cards' longevity with the arrival of DX12). They haven't tried to use HBM or HBM2 on their cards. And they only added about 60% of the CUDA cores they can fit on a board with the 1070/1080. From almost every possible perspective, buying a full-price 1070/1080 is a bad idea when for the next 2-3 years there will be consistent 30% performance gains.

The exception to this rule is if you want to play graphics intensive games! But if you're playing BF1 (a wonderfully optimized game) at 1080p, buy the 1060, flip it next year and buy the 1160, then the year after that do the same. It'll be a while before games catch up to the true raw hardware power we have available to us today. The advantage of buying cheap and reselling is it allows you to jump from generation to generation until NVidia gets their future-proofing of cards back up to standard. Then you buy a monster card to last you until 2025.

[Leslieann]

No.. 35% is guaranteed if moving to 6700k..

That is the clock for clock difference between 3xxx and 6xxx

Clock speed doesn't translate to real world performance.

Unless you're using something extremely CPU intensive you won't see much if any difference real world.


As for BF1,
From what I've read, it will CPU bottleneck, but ONLY if you have a video card to match. In other words, you will need a 1070 to make the 3770 the bottleneck.

[fanpeople]

Upgrading now is kind of awkward.

The next reasonable full upgrade cycle should be around late 2018/early 2019 with Cannonlake (new instruction set). Any benefits you see from upgrading to Skylake right now will be doubled with Cannonlake. The 2500k and 3770k should still be good until then! If anything, upgrading your RAM to a higher bandwidth should give you half the performance moving to Skylake would net you.

Now the issue with graphics cards is confounded. NVidia and AMD both moved to a smaller architecture without actually using the benefits that came with all the new techs. NVidia for example still has no proper implementation for Asynchronous Compute (setting a serious end-of-life limit on these cards' longevity with the arrival of DX12). They haven't tried to use HBM or HBM2 on their cards. And they only added about 60% of the CUDA cores they can fit on a board with the 1070/1080. From almost every possible perspective, buying a full-price 1070/1080 is a bad idea when for the next 2-3 years there will be consistent 30% performance gains.

The exception to this rule is if you want to play graphics intensive games! But if you're playing BF1 (a wonderfully optimized game) at 1080p, buy the 1060, flip it next year and buy the 1160, then the year after that do the same. It'll be a while before games catch up to the true raw hardware power we have available to us today. The advantage of buying cheap and reselling is it allows you to jump from generation to generation until NVidia gets their future-proofing of cards back up to standard. Then you buy a monster card to last you until 2025.

So you rekon 1060 will do noticeably better than my 770? That wouldn't be a bad idea if it is.

I had a 2500 originally, bought a 3770k from cex second hand. It cost $190 dollaridoos (AUD), CEX had mis-priced the k version. I sold the 2500 for about 220 from memory. I did it to prolonge my computer for a bit and it was literally a free upgrade. I think this was the other year. So I would be happy to hold out on that.

I just thought the 1070 had like 30% more power than the 770 and would last a few years running with good settings. **** id be happy to go 1060 if its going to do a similar job, in that im not a tp-o-path when it comes to hardware.

Ram is an interesting one. never thought of that. I have F3-12800CL10-8GBXL Gskill (well thats the part number anyway. I think its 9-9-9-24. Off the top of your head what would I look to upgade (ballpark, obviously I can look for specifics). if you got the time to recommend that is?

[fanpeople]

No.. 35% is guaranteed if moving to 6700k..

That is the clock for clock difference between 3xxx and 6xxx

Clock speed doesn't translate to real world performance.

Unless you're using something extremely CPU intensive you won't see much if any difference real world.


As for BF1,
From what I've read, it will CPU bottleneck, but ONLY if you have a video card to match. In other words, you will need a 1070 to make the 3770 the bottleneck.

Which could be offset with an overclock? I'm not too worried about the CPU being a ****, just so long as I get some serious improvements in graphics.

[clappingcactus]

So you rekon 1060 will do noticeably better than my 770? That wouldn't be a bad idea if it is.

I had a 2500 originally, bought a 3770k from cex second hand. It cost $190 dollaridoos (AUD), CEX had mis-priced the k version. I sold the 2500 for about 220 from memory. I did it to prolonge my computer for a bit and it was literally a free upgrade. I think this was the other year. So I would be happy to hold out on that.

I just thought the 1070 had like 30% more power than the 770 and would last a few years running with good settings. **** id be happy to go 1060 if its going to do a similar job, in that im not a tp-o-path when it comes to hardware.

Ram is an interesting one. never thought of that. I have F3-12800CL10-8GBXL Gskill (well thats the part number anyway. I think its 9-9-9-24. Off the top of your head what would I look to upgade (ballpark, obviously I can look for specifics). if you got the time to recommend that is?

Absolutely. A 1060 is equivalent to a 980, which is already the 30% performance jump in some games that you want! If you're gaming at 1080p the 1060 will totally last for years and years. Last year there was a lot of noise about how the 970 is the perfect card for 1080p. Well, this year that card is the 1060. It just gets very little public attention because of how much better the 1070 and 1080 are. But those cards are also way more powerful than it sounds you want to have!

The RAM upgrade could help if your system is on its last legs to be honest. You currently have CL10 8GB 1600MHz RAM. Every step down in CL [to 9 or to 8] and step up in frequency [1866 > 2166 > 2400] will be about a 1-2% jump in performance. If you buy the 1060 and find yourself being CPU-bottlenecked, upgrading to the most readily available kit near the top of the list here can easily pick you up another 10% performance (again: only if you're being CPU bottlenecked). The problem with this piece of advice is that it's suggesting you throw $100 at a dying system, and $100 you won't get back in your new system since you'll be moving to DDR4. So only do this if money is really, really tight and will be for a while.

Lastly, no idea if you've overclocked your 3770k, but you can look into that! There's another 10% performance just sitting there inside your system if you're running at factory clocks.

[Leslieann]

No.. 35% is guaranteed if moving to 6700k..

That is the clock for clock difference between 3xxx and 6xxx

Clock speed doesn't translate to real world performance.

Unless you're using something extremely CPU intensive you won't see much if any difference real world.


As for BF1,
From what I've read, it will CPU bottleneck, but ONLY if you have a video card to match. In other words, you will need a 1070 to make the 3770 the bottleneck.

Which could be offset with an overclock? I'm not too worried about the CPU being a ****, just so long as I get some serious improvements in graphics.

That would be my recommendation, get the card (1060 or 1070), do a minor overlcock (if you want), then wait another another generation if you can. Even with a 1070 or so, your CPU will not really hold you back much if any, that seems to be about the turning point where you will go from GPU being the bottleneck to the CPU being the bottleneck, so it's not like you are going to be really holding it back much if any even before an overclock. Keep in mind, that just what I gathered from a few quick looks around at recommendations to people in your situation.

How serious will the improvements be, I have no idea, but going beyond this point quickly becomes an exercise in diminishing returns. Bottom line is your CPU is still pretty darn good, I wouldn't be in a big rush to upgrade it just yet.

I'm also with Clappingcactus in regards to upgrading your ram, while it could give a bump, I would wait and do it when you do the rest of the system.

[fanpeople]

So you rekon 1060 will do noticeably better than my 770? That wouldn't be a bad idea if it is.

I had a 2500 originally, bought a 3770k from cex second hand. It cost $190 dollaridoos (AUD), CEX had mis-priced the k version. I sold the 2500 for about 220 from memory. I did it to prolonge my computer for a bit and it was literally a free upgrade. I think this was the other year. So I would be happy to hold out on that.

I just thought the 1070 had like 30% more power than the 770 and would last a few years running with good settings. **** id be happy to go 1060 if its going to do a similar job, in that im not a tp-o-path when it comes to hardware.

Ram is an interesting one. never thought of that. I have F3-12800CL10-8GBXL Gskill (well thats the part number anyway. I think its 9-9-9-24. Off the top of your head what would I look to upgade (ballpark, obviously I can look for specifics). if you got the time to recommend that is?

Absolutely. A 1060 is equivalent to a 980, which is already the 30% performance jump in some games that you want! If you're gaming at 1080p the 1060 will totally last for years and years. Last year there was a lot of noise about how the 970 is the perfect card for 1080p. Well, this year that card is the 1060. It just gets very little public attention because of how much better the 1070 and 1080 are. But those cards are also way more powerful than it sounds you want to have!

The RAM upgrade could help if your system is on its last legs to be honest. You currently have CL10 8GB 1600MHz RAM. Every step down in CL [to 9 or to 8] and step up in frequency [1866 > 2166 > 2400] will be about a 1-2% jump in performance. If you buy the 1060 and find yourself being CPU-bottlenecked, upgrading to the most readily available kit near the top of the list here can easily pick you up another 10% performance (again: only if you're being CPU bottlenecked). The problem with this piece of advice is that it's suggesting you throw $100 at a dying system, and $100 you won't get back in your new system since you'll be moving to DDR4. So only do this if money is really, really tight and will be for a while.

Lastly, no idea if you've overclocked your 3770k, but you can look into that! There's another 10% performance just sitting there inside your system if you're running at factory clocks.

Thanks man, think ill skip the 1070 and go for the 1060 as you suggested. I think that will give me the improvement that I am looking for at half the price. Really glad you pointed that out as I am looking for value for money. Ill still get a kickback from selling the 770 so it should offset the cost by half.

Ill look into RAM a bit more, but as you said may as well just wait until i upgrade my complete system due to the jump from ddr3 to ddr4.

Really appreciate it. Seems like I was being a number snob looking straight at the 1070 just because the numbers line up with my old card.

 

[fanpeople]

No.. 35% is guaranteed if moving to 6700k..

That is the clock for clock difference between 3xxx and 6xxx

Clock speed doesn't translate to real world performance.

Unless you're using something extremely CPU intensive you won't see much if any difference real world.


As for BF1,
From what I've read, it will CPU bottleneck, but ONLY if you have a video card to match. In other words, you will need a 1070 to make the 3770 the bottleneck.

Which could be offset with an overclock? I'm not too worried about the CPU being a ****, just so long as I get some serious improvements in graphics.

That would be my recommendation, get the card (1060 or 1070), do a minor overlcock (if you want), then wait another another generation if you can. Even with a 1070 or so, your CPU will not really hold you back much if any, that seems to be about the turning point where you will go from GPU being the bottleneck to the CPU being the bottleneck, so it's not like you are going to be really holding it back much if any even before an overclock. Keep in mind, that just what I gathered from a few quick looks around at recommendations to people in your situation.

How serious will the improvements be, I have no idea, but going beyond this point quickly becomes an exercise in diminishing returns. Bottom line is your CPU is still pretty darn good, I wouldn't be in a big rush to upgrade it just yet.

I'm also with Clappingcactus in regards to upgrading your ram, while it could give a bump, I would wait and do it when you do the rest of the system.

Thanks for the advice, think ill stick with the old sytem for another year or two and go with the 1060.

Much appreciated 

[fanpeople]

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

[Leslieann]

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

You're welcome.
Higher resolution usually makes use of the memory, if you have dual screen,  2k or 4k screen (or plan to) definitely get the extra ram.

Otherwise, I would check some benchmarks and see if the 1060 can even take advantage of the extra ram. Video card makers love adding ram even if the card is incapable of using it.

[fanpeople]

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

You're welcome.
Higher resolution usually makes use of the memory, if you have dual screen,  2k or 4k screen (or plan to) definitely get the extra ram.

Otherwise, I would check some benchmarks and see if the 1060 can even take advantage of the extra ram. Video card makers love adding ram even if the card is incapable of using it.

Ack got ya. Will look cheers

[tp4tissue]

The premise for ya'llzus comparison is WRONG.


You don't offset IPC with overclocking.. because overclocking will be an option on both platforms..

so YOU MUST work under the assumption that given EITHER setup, you WILL overclock.

NOT-overclocking is throwing money (and time) away.. 



As for Graphics card, now is not the time to buy one, because the looming 1080 Ti which will make at least a $100 impact on current pricing.


1060 is definitely not the way to go...    the 6gb card specifically is also much faster than the 3gb, this has nothing to do with the ram itself.. You could imagine the 6GB card angered the yakuza boss, and lost a few of its fingers..  As they removed stuff from the processor,  cores, tmu, spc, sm

[Badwrench]

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

Definitely worth the extra $$.  The 3gb version is gimped significantly from the 6gb and is roughly 6-7% slower on most games.

 

[tp4tissue]

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

Definitely worth the extra $$.  The 3gb version is gimped significantly from the 6gb and is roughly 6-7% slower on most games.

 

You dont' want the 1060.. Wait for the 1080 Ti to hit market,  then buy a 1080

[fanpeople]

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

Definitely worth the extra $$.  The 3gb version is gimped significantly from the 6gb and is roughly 6-7% slower on most games.

 

You dont' want the 1060.. Wait for the 1080 Ti to hit market,  then buy a 1080

Unless it dropped to the price of the 1070 it was never an option, its not a matter of if I can afford it or not, it comes down to my needs vs wants. See I'll probably have this computer for another 2 years and it will need new GPU. I got the 770 at the start of 2014 so as far as I am concerned I got my moneys worth out of that card. Now I would stick with the 770 for next couple years but I want to play bf1 with decent settings and that is it, nothing else. If history repeats itself, I will play it for about a year and then get bored and not play anything for the next year.

So the card just needs to fill the void for about a year. So cheapest makes sense. Otherwise I'll be most likely replacing it at the two year mark anyway. Now I am still using the monitors I got in 2010, so said card does not have to be much of an improvement and I am not looking to replace them yet either.

I can ebay my old card and get maybe $80-$100 to offset the price of the new card. So it would only cost me 250-300 AUD, not that much really. Also its almost work holidays so I want it ready for my days off, which is 2 weeks away so sitting and waiting for a better price on a higher card is also not really in my interests.

In the end, I have long service coming up next year. Going to take some time off and do some side work. So in 2 years I am going to replace everything (including monitors) with some wank pc parts that are overkill, and that is when Ill be getting the probably 1280ti by that stage. 

[fanpeople]

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

Definitely worth the extra $$.  The 3gb version is gimped significantly from the 6gb and is roughly 6-7% slower on most games.

Yeah had a look and that is what everything says

Thanks for the heads up 

[Leslieann]

NOT-overclocking is throwing money (and time) away.. 

Depends on your priorities and what your time is worth.

Oh wait, they seem to do a 3 and 6 GB version that is about $100 difference. Would it be worth going for the 6GB?

Definitely worth the extra $$.  The 3gb version is gimped significantly from the 6gb and is roughly 6-7% slower on most games.

Yeah had a look and that is what everything says

Thanks for the heads up 

Not quite the result I expected, but exactly why I said to look into it. Vid card makers are notorious for playing silly games like that.

[tp4tissue]

NOT-overclocking is throwing money (and time) away.. 

Depends on your priorities and what your time is worth.

There's a misunderstanding among the general population about Time worth.


Your time is worth just as much as anyone else's Time...

Can't buy it back..

It can ONLY be spent..



How much money or power you possess, that's politics, and a hedge bet against humanity's future..

But in terms of True personal wealth... You ARE the TIME that you spend ALIVE.

[Urbi]

Unexpected philosophy. 

[Leslieann]

NOT-overclocking is throwing money (and time) away.. 

Depends on your priorities and what your time is worth.

There's a misunderstanding among the general population about Time worth.
Your time is worth just as much as anyone else's Time...
Can't buy it back..
It can ONLY be spent..
How much money or power you possess, that's politics, and a hedge bet against humanity's future..
But in terms of True personal wealth... You ARE the TIME that you spend ALIVE.

Don't give up your fortune cookie job.

[clappingcactus]

Don't give up your fortune cookie job.

That was a really ****ty reply to someone who until this point was doing nothing but trying to help.

[fanpeople]

Don't give up your fortune cookie job.

That was a really ****ty reply to someone who until this point was doing nothing but trying to help.

tp has no feelings, he is a computer pretending to be a human. He was confirmed as AI at least a year ago.

[Leslieann]

Don't give up your fortune cookie job.

That was a really ****ty reply to someone who until this point was doing nothing but trying to help.

Depends on how you decide to interpret it, TP takes almost nothing on here very seriously except for Ramen and possibly his Ergodox.

[tp4tissue]

Don't give up your fortune cookie job.

That was a really ****ty reply to someone who until this point was doing nothing but trying to help.

Depends on how you decide to interpret it, TP takes almost nothing on here very seriously except for Ramen and possibly his Ergodox.

hahahahahah


Leslieann is a typical human.. She has spent the majority of her life under the enslavement of our modern monetary system

and so, as a self defense mechanism, she will naturally lean towards the delusion that it was all worth it, all expended efforts were done at her behest.

Despite the relatively obvious condition whenever one provides service to any client, whose actions are silly/wasteful, it is equivalently a waste of all efforts of the parties involved.


So, Leslieann takes payment and resonates upon herself once again, it was worth it.. 

The majority of persons will avoid contemplating the concept of how payment does not truly replace or refill what they've given in labor..  (there is only tomorrow, nothing comes back)


In the grand reality, the goal is the most important thing..

If the client made a dumb / redundant / unnecessary live db reporting site, which does next to nothing. Where you know the brass will access minimally once a year for reasons towards bonus pay..   Well... these jokers have wasted their life, and yours.. 

[fanpeople]

The majority of persons will avoid contemplating the concept of how payment does not truly replace or refill what they've given in labor..  (there is only tomorrow, nothing comes back)


In the grand reality, the goal is the most important thing..

If the client made a dumb / redundant / unnecessary live db reporting site, which does next to nothing. Where you know the brass will access minimally once a year for reasons towards bonus pay..   Well... these jokers have wasted their life, and yours..

I had work function yesterday finished at 130, day before that i had another work function where work technically finished at 12. The two days prior i spent looking at graphics cards a d computer cases.

Salary so technically paid for all of this

I think i may actually owe labour.

[Leslieann]

Leslieann is a typical human.. She has spent the majority of her life under the enslavement of our modern monetary system
and so, as a self defense mechanism, she will naturally lean towards the delusion that it was all worth it, all expended efforts were done at her behest.
Despite the relatively obvious condition whenever one provides service to any client, whose actions are silly/wasteful, it is equivalently a waste of all efforts of the parties involved.

So, Leslieann takes payment and resonates upon herself once again, it was worth it.. 
The majority of persons will avoid contemplating the concept of how payment does not truly replace or refill what they've given in labor..  (there is only tomorrow, nothing comes back)

In the grand reality, the goal is the most important thing..
If the client made a dumb / redundant / unnecessary live db reporting site, which does next to nothing. Where you know the brass will access minimally once a year for reasons towards bonus pay..   Well... these jokers have wasted their life, and yours..

Actually, I've been self employed most of my career and most of what I do now is develop new products and samples for my company, which means most of my week is spent playing with various equipment in our fab shop and my home*.

I probably spend less than 15 hours a week working for "clients".


*Less glamorous than it sounds, but still, not a 9-5 by any means.

[tp4tissue]

Leslieann is a typical human.. She has spent the majority of her life under the enslavement of our modern monetary system
and so, as a self defense mechanism, she will naturally lean towards the delusion that it was all worth it, all expended efforts were done at her behest.
Despite the relatively obvious condition whenever one provides service to any client, whose actions are silly/wasteful, it is equivalently a waste of all efforts of the parties involved.

So, Leslieann takes payment and resonates upon herself once again, it was worth it.. 
The majority of persons will avoid contemplating the concept of how payment does not truly replace or refill what they've given in labor..  (there is only tomorrow, nothing comes back)

In the grand reality, the goal is the most important thing..
If the client made a dumb / redundant / unnecessary live db reporting site, which does next to nothing. Where you know the brass will access minimally once a year for reasons towards bonus pay..   Well... these jokers have wasted their life, and yours..

Actually, I've been self employed most of my career and most of what I do now is develop new products and samples for my company, which means most of my week is spent playing with various equipment in our fab shop and my home*.

I probably spend less than 15 hours a week working for "clients".


*Less glamorous than it sounds, but still, not a 9-5 by any means.

I don't mean to downplay your achievements/aspirations.. but you misunderstand..


Let's take pizza..

A guy ordering them throws the pizza into a lake, because he believes he will catch the lake monster.


Does it matter whether you own the pizza shop,  or if you were merely the pizza-girl ?

A waste is a waste..   That idiot threw your life away.. regardless of what you've been --Paid--


You can not convert your life into money, You convert your life into PIZZAS..




This type of idiotically wasteful happenstance is rampant in peaceful society....

[Leslieann]

Throwing pizza into a lake to catch a lake monster actually sounds like a lot of fun.

"Here Nessy, come on Nessy, I have pizza!"
Maybe that's why they haven't found her/him/it. Wrong bait.

What you find wasteful can be someone else's hobby, therefore waste is not always waste.  Now I need to go start a Kickstarter to fund my pizza-bait Nessy expedition.

[fanpeople]

K, guys I did it. Just ordered a new card but I was weak and went for the 1070 as opposed to the 1060.

I almost got one for 490 AUD from a guy on gumtree but I was tying to get the price down a bit and long story short by the time I let it sit for a bit and contacted him again, card was sold. Not such a bad thing though as he didn't have the receipt and that concerned me a bit. Firstly and mainly warranty. I am not sure if it would be a ball breaker for warranty but I wasn't too excited on running the gauntlet. Secondly we have a lot of theft in the area and the place he lived is ****ing ghetto so I was concerned it was stolen. He was parting out two computers and said he was selling for his son. He also said it wasn't used but it would have to have been used as it had one of the dust covers missing from the ports and it obviously came out of said parted out system. So a few red flags but still when bf1 was ****ing out later that day I was cursing myself for not getting in straight away. 

Good news, I got a Gigabyte 1070 G1 Gaming from amazon for $580 AUD shipped. The best I could find in Australia was $650 including shipping. So I still saved a bit by dodging tax. Unfortunately I sat on it so long that it wont be due till after Christmas.


In the end my anus is ready for some high setting action.

Thanks everyone for your advice, it was much appreciated.
I CANT STAND BF1 CRASHING ALL THE ****ING TIME BUT 70 AUD IS 70 AUD.

[clappingcactus]

At least when you were weak you went from something slightly worse to something slightly better. You're only going to enjoy it MORE.

[tp4tissue]

Oh boi....

Now you can play HEARTHSTONE @ 16x SSAA 16x AF... 3840x2160

[fanpeople]

Oh yeah and now I cant stop trawling Amazon. **** YOU UNITED STATES AND YOUR POWER SELLERS!

Last time I bought from Amazon would have been, I can't even remember. Maybe 2012 or 2013 when almost nothing shipped to Australia. Now all the **** available and such cheap postage to Convict town holy **** if my spending money wasn't in Paypal right now I'd have no money.

[Leslieann]

I avoid it as much as possible.
As for our power sellers...

I actually contacted Amazon because there is no way to know where your package is coming from. So while it maybe cheap and cheap shipping, it could be coming from China and other than checking ship times in the cart, you have no way of knowing. Their response was to "check the cart".  Gee, thanks.

And now Ebay took a  step back as well.
You now have sellers in the US drop shipping from China, so you can select sellers only from the US, but then you find it could take 45 days to get your product because it's being drop shipped from China, but at least you can tell right away.

[tp4tissue]

I avoid it as much as possible.
As for our power sellers...

I actually contacted Amazon because there is no way to know where your package is coming from. So while it maybe cheap and cheap shipping, it could be coming from China and other than checking ship times in the cart, you have no way of knowing. Their response was to "check the cart".  Gee, thanks.

And now Ebay took a  step back as well.
You now have sellers in the US drop shipping from China, so you can select sellers only from the US, but then you find it could take 45 days to get your product because it's being drop shipped from China, but at least you can tell right away.

That's weird.. when I was --in-- China.. Shopping from Australia was super fast..

[fanpeople]

I avoid it as much as possible.
As for our power sellers...

I actually contacted Amazon because there is no way to know where your package is coming from. So while it maybe cheap and cheap shipping, it could be coming from China and other than checking ship times in the cart, you have no way of knowing. Their response was to "check the cart".  Gee, thanks.

And now Ebay took a  step back as well.
You now have sellers in the US drop shipping from China, so you can select sellers only from the US, but then you find it could take 45 days to get your product because it's being drop shipped from China, but at least you can tell right away.

The quote for delivery was 7-11 days. Which is pretty much only double of what it would be to buy in Australia. To save over 50 dollars, is worth it i think. Plus to buy locally would have added at least 100 to retail.


Also getting things from US all the time means I am pretty adapt to long shipping times

[fanpeople]

Also checked tracking and its shipping from united states