Esports scholarships: A stupid idea, or the stupidest idea?

[noisyturtle]

I'm embarrassed for everyone involved in this decision:
http://www.twcc.com/articles/2015/01/06/g/good-news-for-gamers-video-scholarships-at-kentucky-college?cid=cm_vdgmsc_et_cdn_dt_ag_101222

[Puddsy]

Considering over 75% of pro gamers are college/uni students, it's actually a really ****ing good idea for the students.

If it's done well, good. If it's done poorly, great, we can pass it off as a step and move on.

[tp4tissue]

I don't see why not...

Foot ball players are typically people who plays foot ball and at the bottom of the academic ladder.

So, now, we have esport kids who are just as dumb, but can't catch, so they play esport.  why not give them a scholarship

It's the same thing. .

[hwood34]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

[tp4tissue]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

exactly..

they're identical.. 


Except.. idk how great a deal it is for the dota kids since, I still highly doubt being part of the dota team will get them laid..

Maybe in another 20 years...   when people stop watching football cuz it's way more boring than Dota..

[noisyturtle]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

What it shares in common with actual sports: competition
What else it shares with actual sports: Nothing

Is every competition a sport now? Am I a professional Csport competitor because I am trying to get a clack in the sale? Am I an EBsport competitor because I bid against others on Ebay? No, because that's ****ing stupid.

[tp4tissue]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

They never said sport..  E-sport-scholarship

[hwood34]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

they both require some special skill or skills to accomplish a task faster or more efficiently than an opponent. so yes, a sport. an e-sport, to be specific

[tp4tissue]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

they both require some special skill or skills to accomplish a task faster or more efficiently than an opponent. so yes, a sport. an e-sport, to be specific

Your definition is far too loose..

Is fapping a sport by your definition?

[noisyturtle]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

they both require some special skill or skills to accomplish a task faster or more efficiently than an opponent. so yes, a sport. an e-sport, to be specific

No man, it is not like a sport in any form of the word.

Maybe I can get a scholarship for competitive eating. Would you support that?

[hwood34]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

they both require some special skill or skills to accomplish a task faster or more efficiently than an opponent. so yes, a sport. an e-sport, to be specific

Your definition is far too loose..

Is fapping a sport by your definition?

I mean, if you're competing against someone to finish quicker I guess it could be. It would be more of a true sport than esports since it requires some physical prowess

[Puddsy]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

they both require some special skill or skills to accomplish a task faster or more efficiently than an opponent. so yes, a sport. an e-sport, to be specific

No man, it is not like a sport in any form of the word.

It's a game played in a competitive forum for a prize.

sounds like a sport.

[hwood34]

Because esports scholarships are sooo different from literally any other sports athletic scholarship

Not a sport. NOT A SPORT!

they both require some special skill or skills to accomplish a task faster or more efficiently than an opponent. so yes, a sport. an e-sport, to be specific

No man, it is not like a sport in any form of the word.

Maybe I can get a scholarship for competitive eating. Would you support that?

so is chess not a sport either?

[noisyturtle]

Sport noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other

: a physical activity that is done for enjoyment



from the dictionary

[naasfu]

is cap collecting a sport?

[noisyturtle]

is cap collecting a sport?

Exactly

[tp4tissue]

Ok guys.. let's clip this definition spiral for now..

I think the scholarship is a great idea...   Dota is something that encourages team work, and organizational skills..

So.. in that respect it's no less a learning potential for many kids..

[hwood34]

Sport noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other

: a physical activity that is done for enjoyment



from the dictionary

again I ask, if chess is considered a sport, what distinction can you make that would render esports not a real sport?

[tp4tissue]

Sport noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other

: a physical activity that is done for enjoyment



from the dictionary

again I ask, if chess is considered a sport, what distinction can you make that would render esports not a real sport?

just stop this.. it's pointless to argue definitions.. since they're always flowing.. not set in stone.

[Coreda]

People kicking balls around is a sport, people playing chess is a sport, plenty of things are a sport. Hardly much different in concept except for the stigma of computer gaming. I'll be honest that I have no interest in competitive gaming but the two aren't as different as you make out.

Maybe in another 20 years...   when people stop watching football cuz it's way more boring than Dota..

legit lol'd

[slickmamba]

is cap collecting a sport?

Exactly

Except in cap collecting, you don't physically or mentally train, or spend hours training to collect.

E-sports players spend hours practicing and training physically and mentally(studying the game) like other sports.  Two friends of mine play for EG and they spend 5+ hours every day practicing/training along with school and clubs

Not saying I totally agree, but there is more in common than simply "competition"

Also, training mechanics (mouse control, keyboard control) is physical.  It isn't as much of a muscle building activity as weights, but it is creating stronger neural connections and "muscle memory"

[hwood34]

Sport noun
: a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other

: a physical activity that is done for enjoyment



from the dictionary

again I ask, if chess is considered a sport, what distinction can you make that would render esports not a real sport?

just stop this.. it's pointless to argue definitions.. since they're always flowing.. not set in stone.

most discussions really on using the definitions of certain things as they are at that moment. The discussion here is whether by today's standards esports should or should not be considered a sport. 100 years from now, the answer may be different, but that has no bearing on the discussion today

[noisyturtle]

is cap collecting a sport?

Exactly

Except in cap collecting, you don't physically or mentally train, or spend hours training to collect.

This is exactly what I have been doing during the Clack event. Am I a pro and didn't even know?

[hwood34]

is cap collecting a sport?

Exactly

Except in cap collecting, you don't physically or mentally train, or spend hours training to collect.

This is exactly what I have been doing during the Clack event. Am I a pro and didn't even know?

Well I think naasfu would be the undisputed world champion there

[Coreda]

I'd add though that I'd never want to consider swearing douche bags you occasionally see playing CoD in tournaments at all worthwhile. It's disgraceful how some behave, and no better than any 11 y/o's. Manners and professionalism or gtfo.

[naasfu]

is cap collecting a sport?

Exactly

Except in cap collecting, you don't physically or mentally train, or spend hours training to collect.

This is exactly what I have been doing during the Clack event. Am I a pro and didn't even know?

Well I think naasfu would be the undisputed world champion there

my f5 finger is pretty buff.

[exitfire401]

Just going to add that I don't see this being any better/worse than athletic scholarships.

[tp4tissue]

I'd add though that I'd never want to consider swearing douche bags you occasionally see playing CoD in tournaments at all worthwhile. It's disgraceful how some behave, and no better than any 11 y/o's. Manners and professionalism or gtfo.

But they ARE 11y/olds  with deeper voices..

[noisyturtle]

I'd add though that I'd never want to consider swearing douche bags you occasionally see playing CoD in tournaments at all worthwhile. It's disgraceful how some behave, and no better than any 11 y/o's. Manners and professionalism or gtfo.

But they ARE 11y/olds  with deeper voices..

We are really getting off-topic here, but why are parent's buying their 11yo COD in the first place. They wouldn't be able to walk into a store and get it themselves until they were 16 anyway.

[tp4tissue]

I'd add though that I'd never want to consider swearing douche bags you occasionally see playing CoD in tournaments at all worthwhile. It's disgraceful how some behave, and no better than any 11 y/o's. Manners and professionalism or gtfo.

But they ARE 11y/olds  with deeper voices..

We are really getting off-topic here, but why are parent's buying their 11yo COD in the first place. They wouldn't be able to walk into a store and get it themselves until they were 16 anyway.

they're getting their kids COD  because the marketing team is doing their job..  Target the dumbest demographic with the Least amount of self-control..

Parents are intelligent people whose only weakness are their children's irrational behavior...

[exitfire401]

I'd add though that I'd never want to consider swearing douche bags you occasionally see playing CoD in tournaments at all worthwhile. It's disgraceful how some behave, and no better than any 11 y/o's. Manners and professionalism or gtfo.

But they ARE 11y/olds  with deeper voices..

We are really getting off-topic here, but why are parent's buying their 11yo COD in the first place. They wouldn't be able to walk into a store and get it themselves until they were 16 anyway.

Because they're either A) iresponsible and don't understand content ratings and probably unfit to have a child in the first place or B) know that their child is mature an understands the difference between games and real life and can differentiate appropriate responses to both. Luckily, I come from a family that did the latter and as a result, I was allowed to play war games at a younger age.

[fanpeople]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

[noisyturtle]

RIOT updates LoL often and they are doing/did a graphical overhaul but that hasn't stopped people from leaving LoL for other newer games. No competitive online game can last forever, just try finding a match on the Unreal servers these days. And it also regulates all competition to MOBA, Fighting, and FPS games which is already limiting not only the concept of video games as sports, but also negatively impacts the video game industry as a whole as outside forces make any wriggle room for new concepts ideas and IPs narrower every year. It's too early to tell, but I think Esports could ultimately hurt the industry more than helping it, similar to how croudfunding is currently doing it massive damage.

[tp4tissue]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

[noisyturtle]

I'm really hoping for some sort of population reducing deathmatch once the planet starts to run out sustainable of food.

[nubbinator]

I'm really hoping for some sort of population reducing deathmatch once the planet starts to run out sustainable of food.

If fat Americans ate less meat and **** made from corn, we could easily feed the world population twice over.

[tp4tissue]

I'm really hoping for some sort of population reducing deathmatch once the planet starts to run out sustainable of food.

If fat Americans ate less meat and **** made from corn, we could easily feed the world population twice over.

Welll...... yes and no...  because at the current rate of growth.. we're ****ed..

So... by NOT feeding a portion of the population..  we're saving the future generations from starvation..

[tp4tissue]

I'm really hoping for some sort of population reducing deathmatch once the planet starts to run out sustainable of food.

Hrrmm...  Tp4 starts underground Dota Deathmatch club?

[noisyturtle]

I'm really hoping for some sort of population reducing deathmatch once the planet starts to run out sustainable of food.

If fat Americans ate less meat and **** made from corn, we could easily feed the world population twice over.

Welll...... yes and no...  because at the current rate of growth.. we're ****ed..

So... by NOT feeding a portion of the population..  we're saving the future generations from starvation..

For just one penny a day, you can help starve the children of Africa.

[Puddsy]

I'm really hoping for some sort of population reducing deathmatch once the planet starts to run out sustainable of food.

If fat Americans ate less meat and **** made from corn, we could easily feed the world population twice over.

Welll...... yes and no...  because at the current rate of growth.. we're ****ed..

So... by NOT feeding a portion of the population..  we're saving the future generations from starvation..

For just one penny a day, you can help starve the children of Africa.

Huh, I thought it was a nickel.

[fanpeople]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

TP I love you but there are a lot more sports than just football, also there are a lot of states (countries) where sport is cheaper a computer. I wouldn't discount your point at face value as land will become in short supply in areas and this could have (probably already is) an impact on what people do for recreation in the  future.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea to open up free education to people other than athletes. But then again I also think that free education should go to higher than average students who could in normal circumstances not afford it regardless of their physical/neckbeard talents.

I don't know about your Dota comments but I cannot say your wrong as I have never played.... and really the only thing I know about Dota is from the following documentary...

[jacobolus]

Sports scholarships are a stupid idea, period, and should be abolished.

Being a full-time student and being a professional or semi-professional athlete are both full-time jobs. Pretending that people can be both in a serious way is a farce, and does a disservice not only to the unpaid workers (athletes) most of whom end up receiving mediocre educations, but also does a disservice to the rest of the school, devaluing other students work. That football and basketball coaches are the highest paid public employees in most US states is an absolute travesty.

The main reason schools have sports scholarships is to milk money out of alumni for whom having their old college's team win sports titles is a meaningful part of their identity, and gain tax advantages &c. for sports teams compared to being independent. Just like most things, if you follow the money you find out that a small handful of people are making a killing out of a system that screws everyone else in ways large and small. We’d be better off as a society if those alumni spent their money on something more useful (even on just donating money to independent pro sports teams if that’s what they really want to do), and professional/semi-professional sports teams properly paid their athletes for their labor, in a context entirely detached from colleges.

(Note: I have no problem with college athletics otherwise. If full time students want to also play sports competitively, that’s wonderful. It’s building college athletics into a money/hype maching – recruiting full-time athletes to play on the teams without pay while pretending to be students, with the school managing the experience so they can get a diploma without doing the same work as other students, using the good social image of education to give the system a respectable veneer – that makes a mockery of both athletics and education.)

[tp4tissue]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

TP I love you but there are a lot more sports than just football, also there are a lot of states (countries) where sport is cheaper a computer. I wouldn't discount your point at face value as land will become in short supply in areas and this could have (probably already is) an impact on what people do for recreation in the  future.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea to open up free education to people other than athletes. But then again I also think that free education should go to higher than average students who could in normal circumstances not afford it regardless of their physical/neckbeard talents.

I don't know about your Dota comments but I cannot say your wrong as I have never played.... and really the only thing I know about Dota is from the following documentary...

Playing dota is probably the 5th most time consuming activity for humanity.. behind sleeping, working, eating, and sex...     Where's football..


http://steamcharts.com/

[noisyturtle]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

TP I love you but there are a lot more sports than just football, also there are a lot of states (countries) where sport is cheaper a computer. I wouldn't discount your point at face value as land will become in short supply in areas and this could have (probably already is) an impact on what people do for recreation in the  future.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea to open up free education to people other than athletes. But then again I also think that free education should go to higher than average students who could in normal circumstances not afford it regardless of their physical/neckbeard talents.

I don't know about your Dota comments but I cannot say your wrong as I have never played.... and really the only thing I know about Dota is from the following documentary...

Playing dota is probably the 5th most time consuming activity for humanity.. behind sleeping, working, eating, and sex...     Where's football..


http://steamcharts.com/

Sex is like... near the bottom of my list.

[demik]

please dont call it a sport. its a slap to the face to actual athletes. besides golfers. **** them.

[kmiller8]

please dont call it a sport. its a slap to the face to actual athletes. besides golfers. **** them.

y r u killing esports demik wtf.

[sethk_]

As much as I like eSports, there is no way to guarantee you will be successful or even get a job, and there can only be a limited amount of coaches per team, unlike with an actual degree, you have many jobs available.

[demik]

please dont call it a sport. its a slap to the face to actual athletes. besides golfers. **** them.

y r u killing esports demik wtf.

y not

[hwood34]

As much as I like literally any sport, there is no way to guarantee you will be successful or even get a job, and there can only be a limited amount of coaches per team, unlike with an actual degree, you have many jobs available.

FTFY

[Photekq]

As much as I like any sport, there is no way to guarantee you will be successful or even get a job, and there can only be a limited amount of coaches per team, unlike with an actual degree, you have many jobs available.

FTFY

FTFY

[fanpeople]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

TP I love you but there are a lot more sports than just football, also there are a lot of states (countries) where sport is cheaper a computer. I wouldn't discount your point at face value as land will become in short supply in areas and this could have (probably already is) an impact on what people do for recreation in the  future.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea to open up free education to people other than athletes. But then again I also think that free education should go to higher than average students who could in normal circumstances not afford it regardless of their physical/neckbeard talents.

I don't know about your Dota comments but I cannot say your wrong as I have never played.... and really the only thing I know about Dota is from the following documentary...

Playing dota is probably the 5th most time consuming activity for humanity.. behind sleeping, working, eating, and sex...     Where's football..


http://steamcharts.com/

Tp don't be silly. You are confusing your interests with what other people are interested in. Also I think you have something personal against football, I think this because you appear to be focusing in on just football (possibly particularly US version of football). As stated above, I am not a fan of any type of football, but I don't live in denial that there is a very large group of people that are fans and players.

PS you want statistics have statistics 

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/bcoffsurv/emaga_9384_10704.pdf

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/football-top-sport-us-1088158-high-school-players

[hwood34]

As much as I like figuratively any sport, there is no way to guarantee you will be successful or even get a job, and there can only be a limited amount of coaches per team, unlike with an actual degree, you have many jobs available.

FTFY

FTFY

FTFY

[tp4tissue]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

TP I love you but there are a lot more sports than just football, also there are a lot of states (countries) where sport is cheaper a computer. I wouldn't discount your point at face value as land will become in short supply in areas and this could have (probably already is) an impact on what people do for recreation in the  future.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea to open up free education to people other than athletes. But then again I also think that free education should go to higher than average students who could in normal circumstances not afford it regardless of their physical/neckbeard talents.

I don't know about your Dota comments but I cannot say your wrong as I have never played.... and really the only thing I know about Dota is from the following documentary...

Playing dota is probably the 5th most time consuming activity for humanity.. behind sleeping, working, eating, and sex...     Where's football..


http://steamcharts.com/

Tp don't be silly. You are confusing your interests with what other people are interested in. Also I think you have something personal against football, I think this because you appear to be focusing in on just football (possibly particularly US version of football). As stated above, I am not a fan of any type of football, but I don't live in denial that there is a very large group of people that are fans and players.

PS you want statistics have statistics 

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/bcoffsurv/emaga_9384_10704.pdf

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/football-top-sport-us-1088158-high-school-players

I don't personally engage in the Dota.. I played several hours in total.. I knew I was on the verge of becoming hopelessly addicted to it.. so I stopped myself before that happened..


You cite 1 mil kids playing football.. Ok but how often can you play football really.. even if you're part of a team..   and how much foot ball are you actually playing, vs the running around, no ball, pushups.. etc...

DOTA is pure,

The kids playing school sports are pushed into it by their parents.. very few WANT to play them..  I've played many in school as well.. Track, wrestling, soccer, bb, hockey, the majority of my teammates only did it because their parents had them do it..

But ask any kid playing video games.. No parents necessary, the kid wants to play..

And not to mention,  the organizational cost to play "real sports" is HUGE compared to Dota..

You need to get a group of kids together, you need a large playing area, you need equipment etc etc...   beyond school backed systems..  it's seldom possible to play any major sports..

Esport... Anyone with a computer can play.. You can play it any time... there's always people.. all over the world.. a click away..

  And to capture ur audience, you only need to capture the middle class..   and guess what.. Every middle class family has access to computers these days..

Esports will replace traditional sports by MILES...   

For ever Jock,  there's 10-20 geeks...  they may not all end up playing dota.. but chances are most-will..  or the next most popular CS..



The two most popular activities..

Sex  and   Video Games..

it's the future people..

[fanpeople]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

TP I love you but there are a lot more sports than just football, also there are a lot of states (countries) where sport is cheaper a computer. I wouldn't discount your point at face value as land will become in short supply in areas and this could have (probably already is) an impact on what people do for recreation in the  future.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea to open up free education to people other than athletes. But then again I also think that free education should go to higher than average students who could in normal circumstances not afford it regardless of their physical/neckbeard talents.

I don't know about your Dota comments but I cannot say your wrong as I have never played.... and really the only thing I know about Dota is from the following documentary...

Playing dota is probably the 5th most time consuming activity for humanity.. behind sleeping, working, eating, and sex...     Where's football..


http://steamcharts.com/

Tp don't be silly. You are confusing your interests with what other people are interested in. Also I think you have something personal against football, I think this because you appear to be focusing in on just football (possibly particularly US version of football). As stated above, I am not a fan of any type of football, but I don't live in denial that there is a very large group of people that are fans and players.

PS you want statistics have statistics 

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/bcoffsurv/emaga_9384_10704.pdf

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/football-top-sport-us-1088158-high-school-players

I don't personally engage in the Dota.. I played several hours in total.. I knew I was on the verge of becoming hopelessly addicted to it.. so I stopped myself before that happened..


You cite 1 mil kids playing football.. Ok but how often can you play football really.. even if you're part of a team..   and how much foot ball are you actually playing, vs the running around, no ball, pushups.. etc...

DOTA is pure,

The kids playing school sports are pushed into it by their parents.. very few WANT to play them..  I've played many in school as well.. Track, wrestling, soccer, bb, hockey, the majority of my teammates only did it because their parents had them do it..

But ask any kid playing video games.. No parents necessary, the kid wants to play..

And not to mention,  the organizational cost to play "real sports" is HUGE compared to Dota..

You need to get a group of kids together, you need a large playing area, you need equipment etc etc...   beyond school backed systems..  it's seldom possible to play any major sports..

Esport... Anyone with a computer can play.. You can play it any time... there's always people.. all over the world.. a click away..

  And to capture ur audience, you only need to capture the middle class..   and guess what.. Every middle class family has access to computers these days..

Esports will replace traditional sports by MILES...   

For ever Jock,  there's 10-20 geeks...  they may not all end up playing dota.. but chances are most-will..  or the next most popular CS..



The two most popular activities..

Sex  and   Video Games..

it's the future people..

Comment deleted due to realisation of serious thread hijacking.

But still TP you are a silly sausage, but as long as your happy it doesn't matter. 

[tp4tissue]

Its funny and an interesting argument

I personally have never played football or soccer or football (soccer) or basketball. I played tennis, did boxing  and wrestling (all single person sports as a kid).

I don't really have much of an interest in any team sports, but I will happily sit there a watch a game of football, or soccer or football (soccer) and enjoy it. On the other hand I love playing Battlefied etc. but fudge me I would rather lick my dogs taint then sit there and watch some little kid play BF4 for some world title.

Sport has the advantage of staying power. Its always there and has a long history with some clubs in existance for over 100 years and more or less the game will not become obsolete (a bold statement if there are any historians out there).

Computer games on the other hand (except for WOW for some freak reason) have a life span and eventually become outdated so it will be interesting to see if the games are adjusted as years pass etc. you wouldn't want to invest time in a game and have it withdrawn from the program lel.

Football is boring dude..

I predict Esport will be the only sports type left in the future..


It's cheaper to promote,  it's cheaper to manage, equipment, space,  EVERYTHING is cheaper than football..

and you know what.. It has a player base in far excess of football..  Look at the dota numbers..

and ANYONE can play, at any age...  not true with football..  and the thing is .. football isn't fun for everyone that plays... it just isn't...  lots of sitting and standing around

Dota is fun for everyone.. and an engaging experience EVERYTIME

TP I love you but there are a lot more sports than just football, also there are a lot of states (countries) where sport is cheaper a computer. I wouldn't discount your point at face value as land will become in short supply in areas and this could have (probably already is) an impact on what people do for recreation in the  future.

Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea to open up free education to people other than athletes. But then again I also think that free education should go to higher than average students who could in normal circumstances not afford it regardless of their physical/neckbeard talents.

I don't know about your Dota comments but I cannot say your wrong as I have never played.... and really the only thing I know about Dota is from the following documentary...

Playing dota is probably the 5th most time consuming activity for humanity.. behind sleeping, working, eating, and sex...     Where's football..


http://steamcharts.com/

Tp don't be silly. You are confusing your interests with what other people are interested in. Also I think you have something personal against football, I think this because you appear to be focusing in on just football (possibly particularly US version of football). As stated above, I am not a fan of any type of football, but I don't live in denial that there is a very large group of people that are fans and players.

PS you want statistics have statistics 

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/bcoffsurv/emaga_9384_10704.pdf

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/football-top-sport-us-1088158-high-school-players

I don't personally engage in the Dota.. I played several hours in total.. I knew I was on the verge of becoming hopelessly addicted to it.. so I stopped myself before that happened..


You cite 1 mil kids playing football.. Ok but how often can you play football really.. even if you're part of a team..   and how much foot ball are you actually playing, vs the running around, no ball, pushups.. etc...

DOTA is pure,

The kids playing school sports are pushed into it by their parents.. very few WANT to play them..  I've played many in school as well.. Track, wrestling, soccer, bb, hockey, the majority of my teammates only did it because their parents had them do it..

But ask any kid playing video games.. No parents necessary, the kid wants to play..

And not to mention,  the organizational cost to play "real sports" is HUGE compared to Dota..

You need to get a group of kids together, you need a large playing area, you need equipment etc etc...   beyond school backed systems..  it's seldom possible to play any major sports..

Esport... Anyone with a computer can play.. You can play it any time... there's always people.. all over the world.. a click away..

  And to capture ur audience, you only need to capture the middle class..   and guess what.. Every middle class family has access to computers these days..

Esports will replace traditional sports by MILES...   

For ever Jock,  there's 10-20 geeks...  they may not all end up playing dota.. but chances are most-will..  or the next most popular CS..



The two most popular activities..

Sex  and   Video Games..

it's the future people..

..........and there it is, that is where your hatred of sport comes from. You got forced to play sport as a kid. You are also confusing your experiences with everybody's experiences again. There are many children in the world that aren't middle class... what are they to do TP if we only entertain the middle class 

Well, below middle class, their income will only pay for housing, utility and food..there's nearly nothing left-over for entertainment..

As the entertainment business you go after the people with disposable income.. "middle class"..

Those are the only people you need..  it has always been this way..


You can't get money out of rich people, they're too rich and too smart..



and My experience is mirrored by the majority of my teammate's experience..

I was moved around quite a bit as a child.. and played everywhere,  same story.. my dad made me come, my mom made me come..

I've NEVER EVER HEARD  my mother made me play dota..

[fanpeople]

OMG TP you can still organise a game of soccer without the intent of milking someone's money.

[bowji]

As much as I like eSports, there is no way to guarantee you will be successful or even get a job, and there can only be a limited amount of coaches per team, unlike with an actual degree, you have many jobs available.

Im very opinionated when it comes to e-sports. As many mentioned, not only e-sports, but there is no guarantee you will be successful in any sports. Actually, there is no guarantee you will be successful with a degree. Its more of a safety net to avoid minimum wage. However, this is a scholarship, meaning you will be working for a degree while competing in e-sports; best of both worlds for people following this dream. The crucial point with e-sports is that it is global with a growing audience/interest. Fans fly to different countries just to watch the game. The only thing I can think of that does that is soccer and the Olympics. Yea, I believe with the huge prize money, e-sports can be as big as the Olympics(again Im opinionated with this topic).
 
Recently, the gaming industrial has surpassed the movie industry. Remember the time when people doubted success of vloggers on youtube? its that all over again. There is more to e-sports than just the competition. For people not in teams or those in teams who retire, there are other ways to make a living while doing what they love. To name a few: coaching teams(or individual players), shoutcasting live tournaments, broadcasting (twitch/youtube), working for a gaming company, advertising endorsements and more. Theres good money to be made and theres a future ahead. I say, e-sports scholarships is a great idea.

[tp4tissue]

OMG TP you can still organise a game of soccer without the intent of milking someone's money.

Dude.. ok..  Let's do it..

Soccer..    I gotta call all these kid's mothers.. maybe fathers.. maybe they're at work..

Now, I gotta drive to all their damn houses,  or their parents gotta get all the kids to an agreed upon field..

Then we gotta setup all this crap on the field...  Then we pick teams.. play... etc..

THen clean up... then go to stupid pizza... and then drive home..


HOW many freaking hours is this to play a decent game of soccer.... and how much of the parent's time did it cost...  and how many of the kids actually had fun and got to kick the ball.. 


Now.. Dota..   

Install... click click.. . Kid's happy.. you're good to go...  want to play with joey and shannon... Click click.. there they are...  you're chatting away... learning to be social...

Clean up... Alt-F4.. Boooom done..

Want pizza... click click... dominos ONLINE account... Done!!!!....


No getting in the car..  the mom doesn't have to touch up her makeup 3 times before getting out.  she doesn't spend 20 minutes deciding which shoe to wear to attract the single dads...


Come on people... TIME TIME TIME TIME TIME...   DOTA is TIME -efficient... 100x probably

[sethk_]

OMG TP you can still organise a game of soccer without the intent of milking someone's money.

Dude.. ok..  Let's do it..

Soccer..    I gotta call all these kid's mothers.. maybe fathers.. maybe they're at work..

Now, I gotta drive to all their damn houses,  or their parents gotta get all the kids to an agreed upon field..

Then we gotta setup all this crap on the field...  Then we pick teams.. play... etc..

THen clean up... then go to stupid pizza... and then drive home..


HOW many freaking hours is this to play a decent game of soccer.... and how much of the parent's time did it cost...  and how many of the kids actually had fun and got to kick the ball.. 


Now.. Dota..   

Install... click click.. . Kid's happy.. you're good to go...  want to play with joey and shannon... Click click.. there they are...  you're chatting away... learning to be social...

Clean up... Alt-F4.. Boooom done..

Want pizza... click click... dominos ONLINE account... Done!!!!....


No getting in the car..  the mom doesn't have to touch up her makeup 3 times before getting out.  she doesn't spend 20 minutes deciding which shoe to wear to attract the single dads...


Come on people... TIME TIME TIME TIME TIME...   DOTA is TIME -efficient... 100x probably

Or if you are still in school ask a couple of friends during school, play until the late bus comes, go home! Or if you are in college, text a couple of people, walk a couple hundred feet, and *poof* soccer!

[tp4tissue]

OMG TP you can still organise a game of soccer without the intent of milking someone's money.

Dude.. ok..  Let's do it..

Soccer..    I gotta call all these kid's mothers.. maybe fathers.. maybe they're at work..

Now, I gotta drive to all their damn houses,  or their parents gotta get all the kids to an agreed upon field..

Then we gotta setup all this crap on the field...  Then we pick teams.. play... etc..

THen clean up... then go to stupid pizza... and then drive home..


HOW many freaking hours is this to play a decent game of soccer.... and how much of the parent's time did it cost...  and how many of the kids actually had fun and got to kick the ball.. 


Now.. Dota..   

Install... click click.. . Kid's happy.. you're good to go...  want to play with joey and shannon... Click click.. there they are...  you're chatting away... learning to be social...

Clean up... Alt-F4.. Boooom done..

Want pizza... click click... dominos ONLINE account... Done!!!!....


No getting in the car..  the mom doesn't have to touch up her makeup 3 times before getting out.  she doesn't spend 20 minutes deciding which shoe to wear to attract the single dads...


Come on people... TIME TIME TIME TIME TIME...   DOTA is TIME -efficient... 100x probably

Or if you are still in school ask a couple of friends during school, play until the late bus comes, go home! Or if you are in college, text a couple of people, walk a couple hundred feet, and *poof* soccer!

2 people kicking the ball back and forth to each other is most of ^^^^ those cases..


Dota 2 .... you just need to exist.. and there's 9 more people out there willing to play with you at any time.


And if you're still in school... ask around..  subtract the guys that are chasing skirt.. Most of them are probably playing vidya...

[sethk_]

OMG TP you can still organise a game of soccer without the intent of milking someone's money.

Dude.. ok..  Let's do it..

Soccer..    I gotta call all these kid's mothers.. maybe fathers.. maybe they're at work..

Now, I gotta drive to all their damn houses,  or their parents gotta get all the kids to an agreed upon field..

Then we gotta setup all this crap on the field...  Then we pick teams.. play... etc..

THen clean up... then go to stupid pizza... and then drive home..


HOW many freaking hours is this to play a decent game of soccer.... and how much of the parent's time did it cost...  and how many of the kids actually had fun and got to kick the ball.. 


Now.. Dota..   

Install... click click.. . Kid's happy.. you're good to go...  want to play with joey and shannon... Click click.. there they are...  you're chatting away... learning to be social...

Clean up... Alt-F4.. Boooom done..

Want pizza... click click... dominos ONLINE account... Done!!!!....


No getting in the car..  the mom doesn't have to touch up her makeup 3 times before getting out.  she doesn't spend 20 minutes deciding which shoe to wear to attract the single dads...


Come on people... TIME TIME TIME TIME TIME...   DOTA is TIME -efficient... 100x probably

Or if you are still in school ask a couple of friends during school, play until the late bus comes, go home! Or if you are in college, text a couple of people, walk a couple hundred feet, and *poof* soccer!

2 people kicking the ball back and forth to each other is most of ^^^^ those cases..


Dota 2 .... you just need to exist.. and there's 9 more people out there willing to play with you.

A lot more than 2 people if you play soccer,  and with soccer you don't get AIDs while playing with people.

[tp4tissue]

OMG TP you can still organise a game of soccer without the intent of milking someone's money.

Dude.. ok..  Let's do it..

Soccer..    I gotta call all these kid's mothers.. maybe fathers.. maybe they're at work..

Now, I gotta drive to all their damn houses,  or their parents gotta get all the kids to an agreed upon field..

Then we gotta setup all this crap on the field...  Then we pick teams.. play... etc..

THen clean up... then go to stupid pizza... and then drive home..


HOW many freaking hours is this to play a decent game of soccer.... and how much of the parent's time did it cost...  and how many of the kids actually had fun and got to kick the ball.. 


Now.. Dota..   

Install... click click.. . Kid's happy.. you're good to go...  want to play with joey and shannon... Click click.. there they are...  you're chatting away... learning to be social...

Clean up... Alt-F4.. Boooom done..

Want pizza... click click... dominos ONLINE account... Done!!!!....


No getting in the car..  the mom doesn't have to touch up her makeup 3 times before getting out.  she doesn't spend 20 minutes deciding which shoe to wear to attract the single dads...


Come on people... TIME TIME TIME TIME TIME...   DOTA is TIME -efficient... 100x probably

Or if you are still in school ask a couple of friends during school, play until the late bus comes, go home! Or if you are in college, text a couple of people, walk a couple hundred feet, and *poof* soccer!

2 people kicking the ball back and forth to each other is most of ^^^^ those cases..


Dota 2 .... you just need to exist.. and there's 9 more people out there willing to play with you.

A lot more than 2 people if you play soccer,  and with soccer you don't get AIDs while playing with people.

Aids?  what kind of dota are you playing?

[fanpeople]

TP I am sorry l don't want to carry on arguing about something so trivial in a thread about the benefits of e-sport scholarships. I am not even sure what this is about any more


Love you 

[demik]

soon enough both of you will learn not to waste your time with tp, like the rest of us.

[tp4tissue]

TP I am sorry l don't want to carry on arguing about something so trivial in a thread about the benefits of e-sport scholarships. I am not even sure what this is about any more


Love you 

I am right and you're all less-right... I'll settle for that... for now..

[sethk_]

OMG TP you can still organise a game of soccer without the intent of milking someone's money.

Dude.. ok..  Let's do it..

Soccer..    I gotta call all these kid's mothers.. maybe fathers.. maybe they're at work..

Now, I gotta drive to all their damn houses,  or their parents gotta get all the kids to an agreed upon field..

Then we gotta setup all this crap on the field...  Then we pick teams.. play... etc..

THen clean up... then go to stupid pizza... and then drive home..


HOW many freaking hours is this to play a decent game of soccer.... and how much of the parent's time did it cost...  and how many of the kids actually had fun and got to kick the ball.. 


Now.. Dota..   

Install... click click.. . Kid's happy.. you're good to go...  want to play with joey and shannon... Click click.. there they are...  you're chatting away... learning to be social...

Clean up... Alt-F4.. Boooom done..

Want pizza... click click... dominos ONLINE account... Done!!!!....


No getting in the car..  the mom doesn't have to touch up her makeup 3 times before getting out.  she doesn't spend 20 minutes deciding which shoe to wear to attract the single dads...


Come on people... TIME TIME TIME TIME TIME...   DOTA is TIME -efficient... 100x probably

Or if you are still in school ask a couple of friends during school, play until the late bus comes, go home! Or if you are in college, text a couple of people, walk a couple hundred feet, and *poof* soccer!

2 people kicking the ball back and forth to each other is most of ^^^^ those cases..


Dota 2 .... you just need to exist.. and there's 9 more people out there willing to play with you.

A lot more than 2 people if you play soccer,  and with soccer you don't get AIDs while playing with people.

Aids?  what kind of dota are you playing?

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

[tp4tissue]

soon enough both of you will learn not to waste your time with tp, like the rest of us.

Or you can actually try to grasp at the immense intellectual quips that Tp4's presented..

There are numerous avenues of thought that can be explored..


The fact that you've given up is the result of the jaded life you lead..  There is no real right or wrong..  and to WIN isn't really the point..

The point is to contort with changing realities and perspectives..

[tp4tissue]

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

Sigh...  The majority of MOBA consists of little kids.. it's always going to be this way because they're the ones with the most free-time..

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play..  Tag your nearest friend.. convert them toward the cause.. If you can't make a friend,   you can't blame the community.. the community is millions of people.. if you can't get someone to buddy with out of millions of people..  You must look inward...  it's not the community that's holding you back.

[sethk_]

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

Sigh...  The majority of MOBA consists of little kids.. it's always going to be this way because they're the ones with the most free-time..

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play..  Tag your nearest friend.. convert them toward the cause.. If you can't make a friend,   you can't blame the community.. the community is millions of people.. if you can't get someone to buddy with out of millions of people..  You must look inward...

I agree, it is all little kids. I mostly play CSGO, but it is getting hard because as it becomes more popular, there are more cancerous people and people not taking competitive seriously.

[tp4tissue]

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

Sigh...  The majority of MOBA consists of little kids.. it's always going to be this way because they're the ones with the most free-time..

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play..  Tag your nearest friend.. convert them toward the cause.. If you can't make a friend,   you can't blame the community.. the community is millions of people.. if you can't get someone to buddy with out of millions of people..  You must look inward...

I agree, it is all little kids. I mostly play CSGO, but it is getting hard because as it becomes more popular, there are more cancerous people and people not taking competitive seriously.

You gotta network in the game..  send friend requests to people you see often that matches your playing time table, and who doesn't suck..

they make all of this really easy for you man.. it's difficult to just point and yell -those-meddling-kids-..  when the option to team up with grownups is there..


Hrmm.. maybe there should be 2 leagues in Dota.. Grownup league, and Child league..   hahaha...   I believe this is essentially what you're looking for.

[sethk_]

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

Sigh...  The majority of MOBA consists of little kids.. it's always going to be this way because they're the ones with the most free-time..

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play..  Tag your nearest friend.. convert them toward the cause.. If you can't make a friend,   you can't blame the community.. the community is millions of people.. if you can't get someone to buddy with out of millions of people..  You must look inward...

I agree, it is all little kids. I mostly play CSGO, but it is getting hard because as it becomes more popular, there are more cancerous people and people not taking competitive seriously.

You gotta network in the game..  send friend requests to people you see often that matches your playing time table, and who doesn't suck..

they make all of this really easy for you man.. it's difficult to just point and yell -those-meddling-kids-..  when the option to team up with grownups is there..

I am friends with a lot, it's the queuing when you have less than 3 people, I have been playing since it came out. It's a shame watching how it started out good, went to great, then took a huge dump with the community because of skins.

[tp4tissue]

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

Sigh...  The majority of MOBA consists of little kids.. it's always going to be this way because they're the ones with the most free-time..

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play..  Tag your nearest friend.. convert them toward the cause.. If you can't make a friend,   you can't blame the community.. the community is millions of people.. if you can't get someone to buddy with out of millions of people..  You must look inward...

I agree, it is all little kids. I mostly play CSGO, but it is getting hard because as it becomes more popular, there are more cancerous people and people not taking competitive seriously.

You gotta network in the game..  send friend requests to people you see often that matches your playing time table, and who doesn't suck..

they make all of this really easy for you man.. it's difficult to just point and yell -those-meddling-kids-..  when the option to team up with grownups is there..

I am friends with a lot, it's the queuing when you have less than 3 people, I have been playing since it came out. It's a shame watching how it started out good, went to great, then took a huge dump with the community because of skins.

skins in dota ruining dota?  why ?

[sethk_]

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

Sigh...  The majority of MOBA consists of little kids.. it's always going to be this way because they're the ones with the most free-time..

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play..  Tag your nearest friend.. convert them toward the cause.. If you can't make a friend,   you can't blame the community.. the community is millions of people.. if you can't get someone to buddy with out of millions of people..  You must look inward...

I agree, it is all little kids. I mostly play CSGO, but it is getting hard because as it becomes more popular, there are more cancerous people and people not taking competitive seriously.

You gotta network in the game..  send friend requests to people you see often that matches your playing time table, and who doesn't suck..

they make all of this really easy for you man.. it's difficult to just point and yell -those-meddling-kids-..  when the option to team up with grownups is there..

I am friends with a lot, it's the queuing when you have less than 3 people, I have been playing since it came out. It's a shame watching how it started out good, went to great, then took a huge dump with the community because of skins.

skins in dota ruining dota?  why ?

No, in CSGO, all of the trade bots and people trying to scam, and going into a casual game and getting bombarded with trade spam.

[tp4tissue]

None, because of all the MOBAs communities. If you are new, you get flamed at and can't learn to play, and if you are good, no one is open to your input. And with any competitive games solo-queuing is the worst thing you can do.

Sigh...  The majority of MOBA consists of little kids.. it's always going to be this way because they're the ones with the most free-time..

That doesn't mean you shouldn't play..  Tag your nearest friend.. convert them toward the cause.. If you can't make a friend,   you can't blame the community.. the community is millions of people.. if you can't get someone to buddy with out of millions of people..  You must look inward...

I agree, it is all little kids. I mostly play CSGO, but it is getting hard because as it becomes more popular, there are more cancerous people and people not taking competitive seriously.

You gotta network in the game..  send friend requests to people you see often that matches your playing time table, and who doesn't suck..

they make all of this really easy for you man.. it's difficult to just point and yell -those-meddling-kids-..  when the option to team up with grownups is there..

I am friends with a lot, it's the queuing when you have less than 3 people, I have been playing since it came out. It's a shame watching how it started out good, went to great, then took a huge dump with the community because of skins.

skins in dota ruining dota?  why ?

No, in CSGO, all of the trade bots and people trying to scam, and going into a casual game and getting bombarded with trade spam.

And they try to sell you $10 beers at the foot ball stadium..

That's how it always is br0...

With popularity comes the chance to cash in, and with that comes the crooks..

It's the nature of humanity you're looking at.... you're never going to avoid this in a capitalist environment.

[azhdar]

I never understood this scholarship system , if you're dumb as **** but can throw a ball , you can havea diploma ?

On the sport/E-sport part , it would be much better to make a difference between a physical sport ( football , basketball , ... ) and non physical sport ( chess , golf , e-sport ) . But USA is delivering athlete VISA to LoL players already , so I guess it's too late .

E-sport is surely growing , but it's not tommorow that we'll see it on TV . Or maybe for the next worlds championship of LoL .

[mauri]

I never understood this scholarship system , if you're dumb as **** but can throw a ball , you can havea diploma ?

On the sport/E-sport part , it would be much better to make a difference between a physical sport ( football , basketball , ... ) and non physical sport ( chess , golf , e-sport ) . But USA is delivering athlete VISA to LoL players already , so I guess it's too late .

E-sport is surely growing , but it's not tommorow that we'll see it on TV . Or maybe for the next worlds championship of LoL .

colleges like their dolla bill$$$

the idea itself isn't more stupid than the whole sports scholarship thing.

[baldgye]

please dont call it a sport. its a slap to the face to actual athletes. besides golfers. **** them.

The ignorance is strong with this one. Though I'm surprised that you limited your exceptions to golf and esports, I mean racing drivers just sit on there ass all day driving a car, not exactly hard work-amrite?

[jacobolus]

I'm surprised that you limited your exceptions to golf and esports, I mean racing drivers just sit on there ass all day driving a car, not exactly hard work-amrite?

Your alma mater has racecar driver scholarships?

[baldgye]

I'm surprised that you limited your exceptions to golf and esports, I mean racing drivers just sit on there ass all day driving a car, not exactly hard work-amrite?

Your alma mater has racecar driver scholarships?

I have no opinion on scholarships, which is why I quoted a specific post and replied directly to that.
Forums, I know, are a tricky place to follow...

[esoomenona]

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[baldgye]

please dont call it a sport. its a slap to the face to actual athletes. besides golfers. **** them.

The ignorance is strong with this one. Though I'm surprised that you limited your exceptions to golf and esports, I mean racing drivers just sit on there ass all day driving a car, not exactly hard work-amrite?

I would wager that racing isn't deemed a sport.

sport
sp�rt/
noun
noun: sport; plural noun: sports

    1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

The ignorance club is growing!!!! WILL IT'S GROWTH EVER STOP???!!!?!!!?!!?!

[JinDesu]

You'd be amazed at the physical exertion involved in racing.

[hwood34]

You'd be amazed at the physical exertion involved in racing.

Yeah I was actually really surprised when I learned how much physical work went into racing

[baldgye]

You'd be amazed at the physical exertion involved in racing.

If these simple minds have no knowledge of the most popular types of sports on the planet, it's little wonder they struggle so much when new sports arise....

[Lurch]

This thread is magnificent.

[noisyturtle]

Just got done with a hardcore workout. Went 18/1/14 with Twitch in Summoner's Rift. Gonna slam some bulk builder and juice up for another intensive workout later today.

Woo, I must be in great shape because I didn't even break a sweat! Harvard here I come!

[drewba]

This thread was not worth reading on my lunch break

fixed that for me

[tp4tissue]

This thread was not worth reading on my lunch break

fixed that for me

Except for Tp4's aws0me posts..  Tp4 was magnificent..

[drewba]

This thread was not worth reading on my lunch break

fixed that for me

Except for Tp4's aws0me posts..  Tp4 was magnificent..

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Yes you're the best. Except you need to use paragraphs!

[tp4tissue]

This thread was not worth reading on my lunch break

fixed that for me

Except for Tp4's aws0me posts..  Tp4 was magnificent..

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Yes you're the best. Except you need to use paragraphs!

Tp4 transcends the m0rtal need for Paragraph form..


 

[tp4tissue]

I never understood this scholarship system , if you're dumb as **** but can throw a ball , you can havea diploma ?

On the sport/E-sport part , it would be much better to make a difference between a physical sport ( football , basketball , ... ) and non physical sport ( chess , golf , e-sport ) . But USA is delivering athlete VISA to LoL players already , so I guess it's too late .

E-sport is surely growing , but it's not tommorow that we'll see it on TV . Or maybe for the next worlds championship of LoL .

TV ?

The most recent south-park episodes have gotten it down.. the Living room is either dead or dying..

All the pr0 kids growing up today got -puters..  TV is for n00bs..  commercials.. predetermined programming schedule.. HELLZ NO...


Online is where the Dota's gonna be.. you can watch it right through steam...

[azhdar]

I never understood this scholarship system , if you're dumb as **** but can throw a ball , you can havea diploma ?

On the sport/E-sport part , it would be much better to make a difference between a physical sport ( football , basketball , ... ) and non physical sport ( chess , golf , e-sport ) . But USA is delivering athlete VISA to LoL players already , so I guess it's too late .

E-sport is surely growing , but it's not tommorow that we'll see it on TV . Or maybe for the next worlds championship of LoL .

TV ?

The most recent south-park episodes have gotten it down.. the Living room is either dead or dying..

All the pr0 kids growing up today got -puters..  TV is for n00bs..  commercials.. predetermined programming schedule.. HELLZ NO...


Online is where the Dota's gonna be.. you can watch it right through steam...

TV is some kind of validation , if old people see it appears on TV , it now exists for real , it's not only weirdos on the internet .

I can't agree more on your point about tv , I don't own one , don't watch it and don't plan to change my habbits about it .