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Logitech MX ERGO
« on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 03:29:22 »
After 7 years, Logitech releases a new thumb trackball. Waddyathink?

Some of the features:
  • 20 adjustable roll, magnetic
  • 'PLUS' model with 30 adjustable roll
  • 4 months wireless battery, rechargeable
  • Programmable buttons, including DPI switch
  • Unifying dongle (2.4 Ghz) / Bluetooth dual connectivity
  • Soft rubber top coat
  • Mickey Sensor (?), 512-2048 DPI
  • Price ~99$
« Last Edit: Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:47:18 by LuX »

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 03:50:01 »
The adjustable hinge is nice, though it could go a bit higher. But 20 degrees is a start!

If it wasn't a thumb-trackball, and had a scroll ring like the Kensington Orbit, I'd buy it in an instant.

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 04:02:07 »
The adjustable hinge is nice, though it could go a bit higher. But 20 degrees is a start!

If it wasn't a thumb-trackball, and had a scroll ring like the Kensington Orbit, I'd buy it in an instant.

this, but i might still try it, don't have much experience with thumb trackballs

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:15:05 »
Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmm..


does it have the pixart 3366 ?

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 05:05:33 »
Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmm..


does it have the pixart 3366 ?

I doubt it. I took a closer look at the official specs sheet:

Sensor technology
Logitech Advance Optical Tracking
Nominal value : 380 dpi
Minimal and maximal value : 320 dpi - 440 dpi


I hope that's a joke. 440 max dpi seems ridiculous and far from "latest" or "faster tracking". Especially considering that more and more people have 4k monitors.

On the positive side, I also learned that there's an MX ERGO PLUS model that increases the adjustable angle up to 30, that seems nice. Hopefully it has better tracking as well.

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 06:49:43 »
The sensor is Mickey.
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DPI (Min/Max)   512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor   Mickey
Scroll Wheel   Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs
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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 08:04:47 »
The sensor is Mickey.
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DPI (Min/Max)   512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor   Mickey
Scroll Wheel   Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs

Mickey ?

hrrrrrm......................

don't know what that is..  but it doesn't look like any sort of gaming sensor..


As long as that ball does 1000 hz i suppose it doesn't matter what sensor..



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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:38:36 »
The sensor is Mickey.
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DPI (Min/Max)   512dpi to 2048dpi
Sensor   Mickey
Scroll Wheel   Optical sensing technology
Source: http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse/specs

Nice find. The information seems to contradict the specs sheet at the bottom of the product page: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse
512-2048 dpi does make a lot more sense than 320-440 dpi. I wonder if the 380 dpi nominal refers the optical tracker of the scroll wheel. Weird that they would list that over the trackball dpi.

Mickey ?

hrrrrrm......................

don't know what that is..  but it doesn't look like any sort of gaming sensor..


As long as that ball does 1000 hz i suppose it doesn't matter what sensor..

I don't think any of the Logitech office products have gaming-grade sensors. Instead they focus on battery saving sensors that can track on different surfaces. Plus, I believe every trackball manufacturer uses a sensor developed specifically for trackballs. It's much more likely that Mickey is closer to 250/500 Hz to achieve the 4 months battery life. Can't seem to find anything about the manufacturer, though. Probably a cheap Chinese commission.

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:53:41 »

I don't think any of the Logitech office products have gaming-grade sensors. Instead they focus on battery saving sensors that can track on different surfaces. Plus, I believe every trackball manufacturer uses a sensor developed specifically for trackballs. It's much more likely that Mickey is closer to 250/500 Hz to achieve the 4 months battery life. Can't seem to find anything about the manufacturer, though. Probably a cheap Chinese commission.



I remember reading that the only difference between trackball optical sensor and regular mouse sensor is the Lens they use.

Because trackball works on a round surface they use a different lens to compensate for the curvature.


But yea, don't know for surzies..  1000hz would be nice though..

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 08 September 2017, 12:29:22 »
Thought about getting a MX Master 2S in the near future. Definitely interested in this. Might give it a try as my first trackball instead of the MX Master.
 

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 13:25:40 »
Wrong hand.

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 22:03:00 »
i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy..   hopefully it has a 500hz mode..   but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 04:28:14 »
i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy..   hopefully it has a 500hz mode..   but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.

Yeah, unifying is 125Hz max. With luck there's a wired mode with higher polling, but I'm 99% sure the wired is recharge only.
Still waiting for this to come: https://www.gamingtrackball.com/pages/overview Finger trackballing is much better anyway.

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 04:46:13 »
i feel like the wireless ensures the ball performance is going to be a bit choppy..   hopefully it has a 500hz mode..   but if it's going through their unifying receiver.. then that's not happening.

Yeah, unifying is 125Hz max. With luck there's a wired mode with higher polling, but I'm 99% sure the wired is recharge only.
Still waiting for this to come: https://www.gamingtrackball.com/pages/overview Finger trackballing is much better anyway.

Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?
 

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 04:59:00 »
Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?

Probably 125Hz as well. Even if it uses a newer version of bluetooth that may or may not have faster capacity, the 125Hz is probably fixed in hardware.
125Hz isn't bad per-say, it's still 2 polls per frame at 60fps, but in a fast paced shooter it can come off as unresponsive. If there was a gsync-like system, but for mice, it would pretty much solve the issue.

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 05:08:21 »
Whats the polling rate via bluetooth?

Probably 125Hz as well. Even if it uses a newer version of bluetooth that may or may not have faster capacity, the 125Hz is probably fixed in hardware.
125Hz isn't bad per-say, it's still 2 polls per frame at 60fps, but in a fast paced shooter it can come off as unresponsive. If there was a gsync-like system, but for mice, it would pretty much solve the issue.

does anyone actually play shooters with a trackball tho?

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Re: Logitech MX ERGO
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 13:54:59 »
does anyone actually play shooters with a trackball tho?

The hardest part isn't aiming, it's the lack of a competent gaming trackball with optimal button placement. Since my mouse broke I've played a lot of games with a trackball and the biggest problem has been the amount of buttons.