Living Healthy is Depressing

[tp4tissue]

The only thing that gets me with healthy living is having to avoid alcohol.  I like many alcoholic beverages, but they aren't healthy.

Alcohol addiction kills..


But we know now...  Meat- addiction kills way way more people than EVERY OTHER ADDICTION COMBINED....


In fact it kills roughly 2 out of 3 people in America..   taking approximately 10 years off each of their life span,   and gifting them with 15 years worth of suffering BEFORE they even get to die..

[Centropyge loriculus]

The only thing that gets me with healthy living is having to avoid alcohol.  I like many alcoholic beverages, but they aren't healthy.

Alcohol addiction kills..


But we know now...  Meat- addiction kills way way more people than EVERY OTHER ADDICTION COMBINED....


In fact it kills roughly 2 out of 3 people in America..   taking approximately 10 years off each of their life span,   and gifting them with 15 years worth of suffering BEFORE they even get to die..

Again, more falsehoods. Your sciences are cherry-picked and ignore the real data of the high-quality trials and research. You try using scare tactics like politicians and religious zealots.

[dgneo]

i'm honestly surprised tp didn't become a vegan zealot sooner

[Melvang]

[tp4tissue]

That's just a caricature of Vegans..

There are very few vegans that are like that in real life..


Even then, just because certain vegan -- PEOPLE--  are dumb,   doesn't mean the veggie diet is wrong.



However silly these people are,   they're at least doing the food thing correctly..

[tp4tissue]

The only thing that gets me with healthy living is having to avoid alcohol.  I like many alcoholic beverages, but they aren't healthy.

Alcohol addiction kills..


But we know now...  Meat- addiction kills way way more people than EVERY OTHER ADDICTION COMBINED....


In fact it kills roughly 2 out of 3 people in America..   taking approximately 10 years off each of their life span,   and gifting them with 15 years worth of suffering BEFORE they even get to die..

Again, more falsehoods. Your sciences are cherry-picked and ignore the real data of the high-quality trials and research. You try using scare tactics like politicians and religious zealots.

hahaha..  My science..

This isn't my science,  this is just what's happening right in front of you..


Smoking probably looked pretty damn normal too when everyone smoked..


Take a good look around. 73% of americans are overweight.. 

 
1/3 has cancer 1/3 has heart disease.

Heart disease and Cancers account for slightly less than 50% of all deaths. that's 1 in 2 people die directly from either heart or cancer problems.


Now,  go to rural Africa,  places where people simply don't eat like we do..   EVEN AGE ADJUSTED, as in we count deaths of all people who live to the approximate same age,   NONE OF THEM died of Heartdisease,  NONE of the autopsy revealed any signs of atherosclerosis.

-- How many of their women have breast cancer,   again 0....  what ?  the pink ribbon disease terrifying all american women is non-existent in rural africa ?



So then they go, wtf,  how come only americans get this ..


These people eat nearly 100% of their calories from plants,  ..   What sort of plants, wheat and barley..


Higher than 22grams of ANY fats  per day will give you heart disease..

the Protein in meats, the hormones, the chemical coctail they inject the livestock with and put in their feed,   THIS STUFF is the cancer.




Now diabetes..   Asian populations pre-industrial ate ~ 90% of calories from RICE..    If sugar caused diabetes,  how the heck did these dudes have 0x diabetes..


South Korea (good korea),  these dudes had a fairly healthy population when they were poor as hell..  Then samsung and lg and kpop,  and boom..   What happend,   Their meat consumption went up 837%..     

---  Guess what,  now they' lead the way in colon cancers also.. hahahahahaha

[iri]

Regular aerobic exercise improves symptoms associated with a variety of central nervous system disorders and may be used as an adjunct therapy for these disorders. There is clear evidence of exercise treatment efficacy for major depressive disorder

A number of medical reviews have indicated that exercise has a marked and persistent antidepressant effect in humans

yoga may be effective in alleviating symptoms of prenatal depression

physical exercise improves overall quality of life in individuals with depression relative to controls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurobiological_effects_of_physical_exercise

[tp4tissue]

i'm honestly surprised tp didn't become a vegan zealot sooner

Recommend everyone give it a Serious-Try..


What we know about --food consumption-- as is, modern hyperpalatable foods are as addicting as smoking/drinking/sex.


How many people have That list of things under control..  pretty much nobody..



But the consequences are very clear..  you will get heart disease / cancer/ diabetes/ dementia eating NORMALLY..

[Input Nirvana]

Living healthy is an all encompassing lifestyle...food, sleep, exercise, mental outlook, relationships, lifestyle, all facets. Any other those out of whack affects other aspects. Hyperfocusing on one thing rarely achieves the overall results needed for a healthy lifestyle.  It's important to share a support system and be held accountable.

[thatsmrdoctortoyou]

What we know about --food consumption-- as is, modern hyperpalatable foods are as addicting as smoking/drinking/sex.

So true. I've tried going without sugar, and when I say without I mean Zero, nilche, nada sugar. After only a day or two I started feeling withdrawal-like symptoms similar to that of nicotine (as a former smoker myself). My wife and I have been slowly working toward a whole-food, plant-based diet and it is rough at times. For me it's just tough feeling full without having to eat every 2-3 hours. Nuts definitely help with that satiated feeling, beans as well help. The biggest struggle we've had is just figuring out new recipes that don't include "normal" American ingredients. But, it has been totally worth it so far. My wife has lost weight and, although no weight loss has happened for me yet, I've noticed feeling more energized during the day which is a nice change from the postprandial sleepiness that plagued me for years.

[tp4tissue]

Living healthy is an all encompassing lifestyle...food, sleep, exercise, mental outlook, relationships, lifestyle, all facets. Any other those out of whack affects other aspects. Hyperfocusing on one thing rarely achieves the overall results needed for a healthy lifestyle.  It's important to share a support system and be held accountable.

One of the main proponents behind 10% calories from fat, 100% plant based,    emphasizes that if anyone's looking to do this,  they should focus on the eating first,   because there's really only so much will power..


And quitting ultra-delicious greasy foods is going to consume A great deal of it..   So it may not even be possible to fix so many things at once ontop of the healthy food choice.

[tp4tissue]

What we know about --food consumption-- as is, modern hyperpalatable foods are as addicting as smoking/drinking/sex.

So true. I've tried going without sugar, and when I say without I mean Zero, nilche, nada sugar. After only a day or two I started feeling withdrawal-like symptoms similar to that of nicotine (as a former smoker myself). My wife and I have been slowly working toward a whole-food, plant-based diet and it is rough at times. For me it's just tough feeling full without having to eat every 2-3 hours. Nuts definitely help with that satiated feeling, beans as well help. The biggest struggle we've had is just figuring out new recipes that don't include "normal" American ingredients. But, it has been totally worth it so far. My wife has lost weight and, although no weight loss has happened for me yet, I've noticed feeling more energized during the day which is a nice change from the postprandial sleepiness that plagued me for years.

The main struggle i think will be  Oil.

It takes upwards of 3 weeks to 2 months for synaptic pathways to wind down..


Oil is very tough to avoid completely, because greasy food is everywhere.. 


Every other day , Tp4 comes across free pizza / hotdogs/ subs..

[Input Nirvana]

Willpower is a poor mechanism to rely on.
Habit changing is considered the new model to follow.
After a few weeks of no greasy food, it doesn't taste good anymore.
After a period of time, I'm not sure how long, once you greatly diminish the sugar intake. You cease to crave it. Cravings kill.

Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.

[digi]

Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.

My support system is called crack cocaine. I'm never tired and I can workout without eating any food..

[tp4tissue]

Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.

My support system is called crack cocaine. I'm never tired and I can workout without eating any food..

/Secrets revealed..


Most cocaine people get pretty skinny over time.   because they begin associating pleasure and motivation so closely with cocaine,  that they no longer care about  food.    They see food as only a component which allows them to do more cocaine.


THis happens with all drugs.. the harder the drug,  the faster it happens.

[digi]

They see food as only a component which allows them to do more cocaine.

LOL...man I wish I had some more food.. so I could do more cocaine.

[iri]

Having a support system, routine, being held accountable, all contribute to success.

My support system is called crack cocaine. I'm never tired and I can workout without eating any food..

Great for weight loss!

[fanpeople]

classic tp thread

[Centropyge loriculus]

hahaha..  My science..

This isn't my science,  this is just what's happening right in front of you..


Smoking probably looked pretty damn normal too when everyone smoked..


Take a good look around. 73% of americans are overweight.. 

 
1/3 has cancer 1/3 has heart disease.

Heart disease and Cancers account for slightly less than 50% of all deaths. that's 1 in 2 people die directly from either heart or cancer problems.


Now,  go to rural Africa,  places where people simply don't eat like we do..   EVEN AGE ADJUSTED, as in we count deaths of all people who live to the approximate same age,   NONE OF THEM died of Heartdisease,  NONE of the autopsy revealed any signs of atherosclerosis.

-- How many of their women have breast cancer,   again 0....  what ?  the pink ribbon disease terrifying all american women is non-existent in rural africa ?



So then they go, wtf,  how come only americans get this ..


These people eat nearly 100% of their calories from plants,  ..   What sort of plants, wheat and barley..


Higher than 22grams of ANY fats  per day will give you heart disease..

the Protein in meats, the hormones, the chemical coctail they inject the livestock with and put in their feed,   THIS STUFF is the cancer.




Now diabetes..   Asian populations pre-industrial ate ~ 90% of calories from RICE..    If sugar caused diabetes,  how the heck did these dudes have 0x diabetes..


South Korea (good korea),  these dudes had a fairly healthy population when they were poor as hell..  Then samsung and lg and kpop,  and boom..   What happend,   Their meat consumption went up 837%..     

---  Guess what,  now they' lead the way in colon cancers also.. hahahahahaha

Mind posting your evidence?

As for all of your population studies you like to poke at. You should read their discussion section as they will regularly point out that you can't prove anything with this crap, low-powered oberservation studies. You can infer, and even then you can't get more than a small step towards the junk you're trying to sling now. I've been reading that nutritionfacts.org and the studies are either underpowered, statistically weak or he cherry picked two groups of three to compared instead of all three which shows his bias view is either not strong enough to hold water, or just as good as a well-balanced diet currently approved by the ADA, FDA and AMA. Now you can call me a meat pusher, but I've got no skin in the game while this half-wit is paying himself through his own charity. He says he puts all his money back into the charity of his own making. So that means there's a good chance he's collecting a tax-exempt salary.

When I'm near my computer at home , I'll do my best to show you why his science is ****. I don't disagree a vegan diet is healthy, but it ain't the snake oil cure you're pushing it as.

[tp4tissue]

When I'm near my computer at home , I'll do my best to show you why his science is ****. I don't disagree a vegan diet is healthy, but it ain't the snake oil cure you're pushing it as.

It's not about any ONE study..

You're going to find holes if you look for them..   Climate change, it's so easy to find holes..  But take the evidence in totality, and  it's pretty clear that it's happening.


So what do we know.

Experiments in cancer implanted mice, 

5% casein (milk) protein diet, low rates of cancer growth, 50% survival.
20% casein (milk) protein diet, high rates of cancer growth, 0% survival, all died from cancer.

20% protein diet, high rates of growth, switch to 5% , rates reduce,  switch to 20% rates increase again.



7th day aventist California, groups eating nearly 100% plant based diet,  low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke

Old days Okinawan (pre- KFC era), 96% plant based diet, low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke


Modern South Korea,  past 10 years, meat consumption increased 837%,  World leader in bowel/intestinal cancer.


Tibet,  heavy smokers, NO MEAT, low fat diet,   respiratory disorder late life,  0% heart disease..


China, past 20 years,  240 MILLION diabetics ..    These guys ate nothing but rice up until their new industrial era, NO DIABETES,  it was a very rare disease..     Then came the western high fat, high meats diet, and ta-da..



And America..  1 in 3 people have heart disease,   WHY ..  when other people don't have this problem.

[Centropyge loriculus]

When I'm near my computer at home , I'll do my best to show you why his science is ****. I don't disagree a vegan diet is healthy, but it ain't the snake oil cure you're pushing it as.

It's not about any ONE study..

You're going to find holes if you look for them..   Climate change, it's so easy to find holes..  But take the evidence in totality, and  it's pretty clear that it's happening.


So what do we know.

Experiments in cancer implanted mice, 

5% casein (milk) protein diet, low rates of cancer growth, 50% survival.
20% casein (milk) protein diet, high rates of cancer growth, 0% survival, all died from cancer.

20% protein diet, high rates of growth, switch to 5% , rates reduce,  switch to 20% rates increase again.



7th day aventist California, groups eating nearly 100% plant based diet,  low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke

Old days Okinawan (pre- KFC era), 96% plant based diet, low rates of heart disease/ cancer/ dementia / diabetes stroke


Modern South Korea,  past 10 years, meat consumption increased 837%,  World leader in bowel/intestinal cancer.


Tibet,  heavy smokers, NO MEAT, low fat diet,   respiratory disorder late life,  0% heart disease..


China, past 20 years,  240 MILLION diabetics ..    These guys ate nothing but rice up until their new industrial era, NO DIABETES,  it was a very rare disease..     Then came the western high fat, high meats diet, and ta-da..

Again, population studies that typically fail to deal with confounding problem of incidence vs prevalence when technology can better detect these diseases. Cancer isn't a modern thing, it just is easier to detect. Now, if we consider today's detection equipment versuses detection equipment used prior to the study, well, your numbers might not be as big, probably a whole heck smaller.

And I apologize for cursing. I get a bit riled with people abusing statistics for secondary gain.

[fanpeople]

NEVER APPOLOGISE FOR SWEARING.

**** **** PISS **** *****

[tp4tissue]

Again, population studies that typically fail to deal with confounding problem of incidence vs prevalence when technology can better detect these diseases. Cancer isn't a modern thing, it just is easier to detect. Now, if we consider today's detection equipment versuses detection equipment used prior to the study, well, your numbers might not be as big, probably a whole heck smaller.

And I apologize for cursing. I get a bit riled with people abusing statistics for secondary gain.

I assure you , the only people having a secondary gain  is the meat peddlers, who also own the company making heart stents..

[Input Nirvana]

I did a gram of quality blow over a period of 2 weeks and it was AWESOME!
I LOVED IT!

Then I thought....maybe I shouldn't do this anymore....

[Centropyge loriculus]

Again, population studies that typically fail to deal with confounding problem of incidence vs prevalence when technology can better detect these diseases. Cancer isn't a modern thing, it just is easier to detect. Now, if we consider today's detection equipment versuses detection equipment used prior to the study, well, your numbers might not be as big, probably a whole heck smaller.

And I apologize for cursing. I get a bit riled with people abusing statistics for secondary gain.

I assure you , the only people having a secondary gain  is the meat peddlers, who also own the company making heart stents..

And the Doc who wants to get paid for speaking events and donations.

[SBJ]

I did a gram of quality blow over a period of 2 weeks and it was AWESOME!
I LOVED IT!

Then I thought....maybe I shouldn't do this anymore....

Haha yeah if you enjoy it TOO much that might be a sign to be careful with it. )

[Input Nirvana]

Heh.
Had a BLAST!
Dudes tearing it up, super-social, in/out of country, living large, had a "secret", eating great food and drinking with fun peeps, extra swag in the step, doing it all.  All the normal fun stuff with an extra added  "zippy-perk".
No complaints.

That is all.

[SBJ]

Heh.
Had a BLAST!
Dudes tearing it up, super-social, in/out of country, living large, had a "secret", eating great food and drinking with fun peeps, extra swag in the step, doing it all.  All the normal fun stuff with an extra added  "zippy-perk".
No complaints.

That is all.

I'm still going to steer clear. ) I simply don't have the balls to try out anything harder than weed.

[futurecrime]

Heh.
Had a BLAST!
Dudes tearing it up, super-social, in/out of country, living large, had a "secret", eating great food and drinking with fun peeps, extra swag in the step, doing it all.  All the normal fun stuff with an extra added  "zippy-perk".
No complaints.

That is all.

I'm still going to steer clear. ) I simply don't have the balls to try out anything harder than weed.

I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.

[SBJ]

I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.

Damn dude.
I just don't have the desire to try out anything harder. Also: those little horrible bits are the ones I'm worried about. Not all the fun things.

[futurecrime]

I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.

Damn dude.
I just don't have the desire to try out anything harder. Also: those little horrible bits are the ones I'm worried about. Not all the fun things.

Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone. 

[SBJ]

I've tried most of the drugs. Weed is the only one I still do. Well, very occasionally MDMA, coke and/or ketamine... maybe mushrooms.. but weed is the only one that you can combine effectively with films and videogames, so it wins.

I recommend trying everything though, it's all good fun, apart from little the horrible bits.

Damn dude.
I just don't have the desire to try out anything harder. Also: those little horrible bits are the ones I'm worried about. Not all the fun things.

Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone. 

Yeah, I just enjoy it once in a great while.
I'm probably more of a cold-beer-on-a-hot-day type person.

I definitely know of people who function on weed, work wise too. People are so different it's amazing really.

[tp4tissue]

Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone. 

Yeah, I just enjoy it once in a great while.
I'm probably more of a cold-beer-on-a-hot-day type person.

I definitely know of people who function on weed, work wise too. People are so different it's amazing really.

The majority of pot heads I've dealt with --wurk side--  are generally good people,  but they have very little concentration and are almost always late.


The ones that do-work ok..  are coffee fiends ontop being of pothead..


So the Coffee provides them with a baseline high until they get their --fix-- later..


In the end,  It's not an extremely reliable cycle..

[futurecrime]

Fair enough. It's funny cos I've got friends who would take anything but steer clear of weed cos it made them paranoid. Different strokes though eh. For me, weed can be a bit insidious because it's possible to smoke everyday and get on with your life and not think much of it, then you turn around in ten years and go oh **** maybe I should've done something more productive, whereas something like ketamine you'd just do once in a while, or at least just at weekends, so while it might be more pyschedelic in the moment, the long term impact is probably a lot smaller (this same logic is why I stopped drinking booze). Some people are really productive whilst stoned though, or at least able to control their habit, so each to their own. If I buy weed I smoke it at every opportunity until it's all gone. 

Yeah, I just enjoy it once in a great while.
I'm probably more of a cold-beer-on-a-hot-day type person.

I definitely know of people who function on weed, work wise too. People are so different it's amazing really.

The majority of pot heads I've dealt with --wurk side--  are generally good people,  but they have very little concentration and are almost always late.


The ones that do-work ok..  are coffee fiends ontop being of pothead..


So the Coffee provides them with a baseline high until they get their --fix-- later..


In the end,  It's not an extremely reliable cycle..

Pretty much same for alcohol I reckon. Functioning alcoholics, functioning potheads. Unfortunately, life is tough, and every evening is a small celebration that work is over for the day which turns into drowning your sorrows cos you've gotta go back in tomorrow.

[iri]

My work is great so I drink to be happier 

[SpAmRaY]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/08/09/vegetarian-depression-meat-study/

TP4 you may be on to something....

[tp4tissue]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2017/08/09/vegetarian-depression-meat-study/

TP4 you may be on to something....

Hrrrmm.. this is very much possible..  since greasy meat eating makes one happy, it may act as a natural anti-depressant..

Though of course the cost is dire in the end..


But, that article itself is complete bunk..



Vegan foods, is anti-inflammatory vs Meats which are pro-inflammatory.

Anti-inflammatory diets is linked with lower depression vs  inflammatory diets.



That said,  i do get sad sometimes, when I think about ramen, and popeyes fried chicken.

[fleischverpackung]

I like the approach of Norway and other countries here in Europe. They put extra taxes on food which contains unhealthy fat.

[pixelpusher]

Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.

[tp4tissue]

Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.

It all starts somewhere... hahaha..  Great job reececonrad


What % of fats are you eating.. ??

[pixelpusher]

Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.

It all starts somewhere... hahaha..  Great job reececonrad


What % of fats are you eating.. ??

I don't eat much fats.  I have a few hands full of nuts throughout the day.  I'll have to check the vegan protein bars I bought.  Sometimes I eat those on the go.  Mostly it's rice and veggies and beans of some sort.  Oh, and hummus.  Gotta have my hummus.  Don't come between me and my hummus.  Oh damn, zucchini and hummus on my mind.  Gotta go.

[tp4tissue]

Going on 3 weeks of vegan. Can't say I notice a lot different, but I like the idea of not eating animals.  Also, it actually seems easier for me to cook.  Kinda hard to screw up rice and veggies.  And I also crave hummus 24/7.

It all starts somewhere... hahaha..  Great job reececonrad


What % of fats are you eating.. ??

I don't eat much fats.  I have a few hands full of nuts throughout the day.  I'll have to check the vegan protein bars I bought.  Sometimes I eat those on the go.  Mostly it's rice and veggies and beans of some sort.  Oh, and hummus.  Gotta have my hummus.  Don't come between me and my hummus.  Oh damn, zucchini and hummus on my mind.  Gotta go.

Well, I'm glad you're on the right path,

But keep in mind,  if you exceed 22.2 grams of fat per day,  you will still have elevated risk of cardiovascular disease.


It has less to do with (Being fat),  it's just that we now know fats, EVEN plant fats,  damage the circulatory system in quantities greater than 7grams per meal.


Look into fats and endothelial damage..   This is the primary cause of american style heart disease, (coronary atherosclerosis )

[pixelpusher]

Looks like I'm close.  The hummus has 5g of fat for 2 tablespoons.     Well that sucks.

So, the bars have 4.5g, the nuts I ate had 2g, the hummus had 5g, rice today 4g.  I'm under the 22 but cutting it close.

[tp4tissue]

Looks like I'm close.  The hummus has 5g of fat for 2 tablespoons.     Well that sucks.

So, the bars have 4.5g, the nuts I ate had 2g, the hummus had 5g, rice today 4g.  I'm under the 22 but cutting it close.

Eat up to 22,  you go over, YOU DIE !!!

Hahahahaha..  nawh,  just kidding..   



I actually found this  OIL  aspect the most challenging to healthy eating, vegan or otherwise..


Fats make everything taste good.. hahahaha..



But the 3 Titans of the 100% Veggie world all quote each other on this 10% number,  it really is a hard limit derived from very good clinically controlled studies.

- Colin T. Campbell
- Caldwell Esselstyn
- Dean Ornish

[noisyturtle]

the day i need to start doing math to regulate and record my food is the day i down this entire bottle of Luminal

[tp4tissue]

the day i need to start doing math to regulate and record my food is the day i down this entire bottle of Luminal

Living hard and fast is one of Many ways to live..

As a younger person, Nturtle,  I think you can certainly overlook this for another 10, maybe 15 years.


But I recommend turning around before then..  Because heart disease and cancer are LIVING HELLS,  Both, for you personally,  and everyone around you,  your entire family goes in the hole with you.

[noisyturtle]

the day i need to start doing math to regulate and record my food is the day i down this entire bottle of Luminal

Living hard and fast is one of Many ways to live..

As a younger person, Nturtle,  I think you can certainly overlook this for another 10, maybe 15 years.


But I recommend turning around before then..  Because heart disease and cancer are LIVING HELLS,  Both, for you personally,  and everyone around you,  your entire family goes in the hole with you.

Eh, I plan on killing myself once my parents pass. Until that time, guilt is keeping me alive.

[tp4tissue]

Eh, I plan on killing myself once my parents pass. Until that time, guilt is keeping me alive.

Hrrrrrmm....  while I agree with you logically that not every human life is precious..

We do not have enough processing power to deduce such a claim for any Single human..


Therefore, suicide is not recommended..