Banned from r/mm

[totallycaked]

I just got banned from mechmarket for 10 days because I asked why

This gets a little wordy, but since I can't sell my caps right now I have nothing else to do.

I recently decided to try and sell a few of my caps on mechmarket. I posted my sale on wednesday afternoon, and on thursday morning I saw that my post had only 25 views. So I deleted the post, lowered some of the prices and altered my title to simplify it. I re-posted it about 25 minutes later and went on with my business... Well, unfortunately for me r/mm has a rule against posting the same sale twice in a 48-hour period. I wasn't aware of this rule but it makes sense and I was definitely in the wrong. The moderator that deleted my re-post also saw it fit to ban me for 5 days because of it. I was curious why the punishment seemed so harsh, so I asked the mod team for an explanation. I was told that my ban was because it seemed like I was trying to circumvent the rules. I decided to go back and read through all of the rules to see how I could have circumvented them by re-posting my deleted sale too soon. This struck me as odd because the rules specifically mention deleting a post and reposting it in a 48-hour period as a no-no.

"How could that be circumventing the rules if the rules discuss it exactly" I wondered.

So I decided to respond again asking which rule I was circumventing specifically and asked why I wasn't given the opportunity to follow the "infraction system" that is at the bottom of the rules page (which would have carried a warning and having my post taken down as the first strike).

The response I got was "Moderators of /r/mechmarket have the right to arbitrarily make a decision based on the information before them. Any ruling or decision made by a Moderator supersedes the rules and is to be followed. These ruling can change from one situation or another." (essentially saying, "the rules don't matter.") He then went on to say how my post seemed "shady" because I deleted it and re-posted it.

At this point I knew this conversation was going nowhere and nothing I said would help to lessen the punishment that I received. I responded and told them that I don't see any point in protesting this ban any further and said that they should consider easing up on the martial law punishments and account for user history before passing judgement willy-nilly.

To which I received this message, "Since I'm feeling willy-nilly, enjoy an extra 5 days off." (He sure showed me)

He also told me that moderators don't appreciate it when people question their bans and argue because it wastes their time.

Here's what is sent to you when you get banned from r/mm:

subreddit message via /r/mechmarket[M] sent 2 days ago

You have been temporarily banned from participating in r/mechmarket. This ban will last for 9 days. You can still view and subscribe to r/mechmarket, but you won't be able to post or comment.

If you have a question regarding your ban, you can contact the moderator team for r/mechmarket by replying to this message.

Reminder from the Reddit staff: If you use another account to circumvent this subreddit ban, that will be considered a violation of the Content Policy and can result in your account being suspended from the site as a whole.

/rant

[joey]

That's annoying. At least in the mean time you can post in the GH classifieds?

[totallycaked]

True, maybe I'll have better luck there

[fohat.digs]

I don't know anything about reddit but I do feel that clear and unambiguous rules make for a level playing field.

Your situation seems pretty ordinary and straightforward, based on the one side of it that we hear from you.

[totallycaked]

The rules are pretty clear, the punishment is not...

It also doesn't feel great knowing that the rules don't really matter if a moderator chooses that they don't like you

[UsualSuspectXXX]

The rules on /r/mm are pretty clear. But I'm a bit shocked that you got a 5 day ban on a first infraction (if that is the case). Probably has to do with the volume of users currently on there these days. I remember when you'd only see maybe 100 active users. Now it's frequently close to 2,000

It also doesn't feel great knowing that the rules don't really matter if a moderator chooses that they don't like you

Did you give them a reason in the past to not like you?

[tp4tissue]

Just make a new account,


Release IP,  unplug router, unplug coax box / optic fiber box / ONT.. 


Then wait 10 minutes..  Plug everything back in..


Use a female account name, something stupid like G4m3rGi2L   

They won't suspect a thing.. 
They'll even be nice to you and buy your stuff at terrible prices..
If they try to Hit on you, ask them to cough up a couple of Stone of Jordans first, before your fake relationship proceeds.

That's how stupid and vulnerable Male-Geeks in our hobby are..


If you want to go to the next level,  Search online for some photos of moderately attractive women,  then photoshop them slightly so tin-eye doesn't track them back.. 

Make sure not to pick anyone TOOO attractive, because Gamer-Geeks are self conscious and of low confidence, They have to be under the belief-state such that They have a shot..


Then create a facebook page.. and write in all the facts that attract hopeless men who play Vidya..

Like,  Wow Clan member,  raid specialist,  FFantasy,  write in your favorite mount,  etc.. etc..


hahahahahahaahahah

[AuthenticDanger]

The rules on /r/mm are pretty clear. But I'm a bit shocked that you got a 5 day ban on a first infraction (if that is the case). Probably has to do with the volume of users currently on there these days. I remember when you'd only see maybe 100 active users. Now it's frequently close to 2,000

With only ~100 new posts/day, I would be shocked if it's a volume issue.

[totallycaked]

It also doesn't feel great knowing that the rules don't really matter if a moderator chooses that they don't like you

Did you give them a reason in the past to not like you?

Not particularly, just saying that because of the clause in the rules that allows them to throw out the rule book whenever it seems fitting...

[UsualSuspectXXX]

The rules on /r/mm are pretty clear. But I'm a bit shocked that you got a 5 day ban on a first infraction (if that is the case). Probably has to do with the volume of users currently on there these days. I remember when you'd only see maybe 100 active users. Now it's frequently close to 2,000

With only ~100 new posts/day, I would be shocked if it's a volume issue.

I don't really think it's because of volume, just putting that out there. There are a lot more users than there had been. Plus, there may be more going on over there with the mods that we don't know about.

[ArchDill]

Sounds like you just so happen to stumble upon a grumpy mm mod on the wrong day. I do think the situation is a bit ridiculous. I understand they do it for free, but if you volunteer to do it, then do it with a good attitude.

[sncbraxsc2]

From what I can tell, there are a lot of active users on mechmarket and the deleting and reposting strategy is getting abused pretty frequently. In the case that a moderator catches it (or someone prob reported it), you can just say you didn't know and get away with it even if it was intentional.

I can understand why they would start handing out 5 day bans for this particular offense, especially if they see you've been around for a few years and are a frequent poster. I've made an album below to show how many times you are warned to read the rules prior to posting.

https://imgur.com/a/tVAYA

Instead of approaching them apologetically that you are somehow still ignorant of the rules they throw at you from every direction, you ask a pretty obvious question- which rule you were possibly circumventing? This one - which he had already told you.

"ALL personal trading posts (e.g. buying/selling/trading) have a 48 hour cooldown period from your last post made on /r/mechmarket"

The irony here is that your user history was probably the main reason you received the ban and what inspired him to actually be willy nilly.

Thanks for the lul

[jacobsmirror]

To be fair, you did leave the part out about your general tone. And I'm definitely the mod who went all willy-nilly. Honestly, if you just would've handled it in a more kind fashion, I would've reversed the ban and we all could've gone on our merry way. There's been more than a few instances where I've given people the benefit of the doubt on first offenses or misunderstandings. However, if you come at a mod, or anyone for that matter, in the tone you chose, don't expect much. Hope you have a better experience in the future.

[UsualSuspectXXX]

Ouch

[atectatifern]

There's no authority abused like petty authority.

[Gajible]

There's no authority abused like petty authority.

And nobody more abused than someone indignant about rules they broke.

[atectatifern]

> And nobody more abused than someone indignant about rules they broke.

Perhaps. But as someone who hasn't broken any rules, I find the ban and then extension a little over the top. A true moderator wouldn't try to escalate the situation and would be the bigger person. But it's unsurprising that those who seek out a little online power strut and puff up when they can.

[subcat]

...the rules specifically mention deleting a post and reposting it in a 48-hour period as a no-no.

"How could that be circumventing the rules if the rules discuss it exactly" I wondered.

?

[ThoughtArtist]

Dude, Reddit is at quasi-cult status now.

Be careful or you'll be excommunicated and "marked".

Seriously though, that site is heavily infiltrated. Be careful what you post there.

[ThoughtArtist]

Dude, Reddit is at quasi-cult status now.

Be careful or you'll be excommunicated and "marked".

Seriously though, that site is heavily infiltrated. Be careful what you post there.

ayy lmao👽

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Don't mind me, just taking the moderators for a walk.

Your Reddit virtual tour-guide:

[sncbraxsc2]

Dude, Reddit is at quasi-cult status now.

Be careful or you'll be excommunicated and "marked".

Seriously though, that site is heavily infiltrated. Be careful what you post there.

ayy lmao👽

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___卐卐卐卐
Don't mind me, just taking the moderators for a walk.

Your Reddit virtual tour-guide:

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Doesn't the FBI have their hands full atm?

Theres been bots and shills for a long time. Those mods have been reasonable in my experience 

[Gajible]

The rules on /r/mm are pretty clear. But I'm a bit shocked that you got a 5 day ban on a first infraction (if that is the case). Probably has to do with the volume of users currently on there these days. I remember when you'd only see maybe 100 active users. Now it's frequently close to 2,000

With only ~100 new posts/day, I would be shocked if it's a volume issue.

Around 5k daily uniques on average on /r/mm 

[MKULTRA]

Reddit as a platform is not ideal for a marketplace due to how upvotes and downvotes work.

Also keep this reddit **** off here nobody cares.

[totallycaked]

Since my tone is in question,



Do I make exaggerated statements? Yes. I was completely blind-sided by the 5 day ban part and wasn't really getting a clear explanation until you told me the rules don't matter lol.

But yeah nobody cares

[jacobsmirror]

Since my tone is in question,

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Do I make exaggerated statements? Yes. I was completely blind-sided by the 5 day ban part and wasn't really getting a clear explanation until you told me the rules don't matter lol.

But yeah nobody cares

Ya, I'll stand by my previous statement. Best of luck to you.

[totallycaked]

Your tone is totally fine though ) way to let words get to you /sarcasm

BEST OF LUCK TO ME!

[Wolf123rt]

This same mod did the same thing to me except he added another 3 days instead of 5.

[MKULTRA]

get out

[UsualSuspectXXX]

Since my tone is in question,

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Do I make exaggerated statements? Yes. I was completely blind-sided by the 5 day ban part and wasn't really getting a clear explanation until you told me the rules don't matter lol.

But yeah nobody cares

Well you didn't mention that you were such a **** about it.

Sit in your time out and quit *****ing about it.

[jdcarpe]

thank you for your input

[Signature]

thank you for your input

Thank you for your input

[jdcarpe]

thank you for your input

Thank you for your input

Triggered!

[Cocopah]

Just make a new account,


Release IP,  unplug router, unplug coax box / optic fiber box / ONT.. 


Then wait 10 minutes..  Plug everything back in..


Use a female account name, something stupid like G4m3rGi2L   

They won't suspect a thing.. 
They'll even be nice to you and buy your stuff at terrible prices..
If they try to Hit on you, ask them to cough up a couple of Stone of Jordans first, before your fake relationship proceeds.

That's how stupid and vulnerable Male-Geeks in our hobby are..


If you want to go to the next level,  Search online for some photos of moderately attractive women,  then photoshop them slightly so tin-eye doesn't track them back.. 

Make sure not to pick anyone TOOO attractive, because Gamer-Geeks are self conscious and of low confidence, They have to be under the belief-state such that They have a shot..


Then create a facebook page.. and write in all the facts that attract hopeless men who play Vidya..

Like,  Wow Clan member,  raid specialist,  FFantasy,  write in your favorite mount,  etc.. etc..


hahahahahahaahahah

I appreciate a good Diablo 2 reference. If by releasing ip and resetting ont/modem/gateway you’re trying to get a new public ip, it doesn’t always work. AT&T for example is in short supply of IP so most of the time you keep the one you have for a long time and often even through complete gateway changes.

Anyways back on topic. I too was banned for posting too soon in 48hours. I got carried away selling a bunch of stuff and lost track of the times. I received a warning and then I received a 3day ban. It was my bad, and I wasn’t deleting and reposting. They were all posts for different items. The extra 5 days does seem pretty savage though lol.

[metalliqaz]

I've already been banned from mechmarket twice and it probably won't be long before it becomes permanent.  Screw those guys.  People take themselves way to damn seriously these days.

[totallycaked]

I like how people act like I should've messaged the admins like I was addressing the Queen of England.

"Oh please sir, what fury hath I brought upon mine own self so justly? Please oh please I've made a simple mistake and mustn't be persecuted for I have a family to feed!"

You're forgetting that I was the one who was banned for ten days after doing absolutely nothing wrong for years. Wouldn't you be a little upset? Besides I hardly think I was being a **** about it, you overly sensitive twit. (<--- I'm being a **** about that)

[metalliqaz]

Yeah the mods are drunk with power, but that is so often the case.  What I really don't understand is the legion of domesticated dweebs they have over there that apparently have nothing better to do than to go around checking each post to make sure that it doesn't break a rule.  Even if the issues are inconsequential or mistakes made in good faith, doesn't matter.  They're like the old people at Del Boca Vista.  Like sncbraxsc2, up there.

There's always ebay.  I post to geekhack to try and find a kindred soul first, but if I can't sell something ebay usually does the trick.

[totallycaked]

Yeah the mods are drunk with power, but that is so often the case.  What I really don't understand is the legion of domesticated dweebs they have over there that apparently have nothing better to do than to go around checking each post to make sure that it doesn't break a rule.  Even if the issues are inconsequential or mistakes made in good faith, doesn't matter.  They're like the old people at Del Boca Vista.  Like sncbraxsc2, up there.

There's always ebay.  I post to geekhack to try and find a kindred soul first, but if I can't sell something ebay usually does the trick.

I'm amazed they decided to out themselves in this post tbh... no ****s given i guess

I know there's plenty of avenues to sell keys through, I just can't stand admin abuse, especially when its through something as inconsequential as mechanical keyboards. I'm fascinated by it, I have to poke and prod...

[atectatifern]

I just can't stand admin abuse . . .

If you want to stay sane, I'd recommend letting it go and taking consolation in that this is generally the only power those type of people will ever have.

[MKULTRA]

please leave

[Gajible]

ITT: Indignant people who broke real basic rules

[ghostjuggernaut]

Im not locking this thread, since it is in OT.  However, please do not let things get too out of hand.  Lots of reports coming in on the topic and I would like to not have to worry about ppl turning this into grounds for personal attacks.

[totallycaked]

I appreciate all of the comments here, it feels good to get this off my chest. We're all better people because of this

[atectatifern]

Im not locking this thread, since it is in OT.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of moderation done well.

[Gajible]

Im not locking this thread, since it is in OT.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is an example of moderation done well.

When rules aren't broken, no moderation is needed. Funny that!

[HotRoderX]

I been one of those people that screwed up my post and couldn't edit it had to wait 48hrs before reposting. My way of looking at it was this.

Sites free, hardly in advertising, and uses donation system to keep it alive. The rules are clearly posted in plan English that don't take but 10mins to read. Don't like the rules don't like the admins, don't like the way things are handled. Then we can start our own website. Advertise it generate the traffic for it. Pay the bandwidth fee's. Find reliable mods.. then make the rules for it to be anything we want. I know personally wouldn't go thought all that trouble I just use Mech Market and play nicely with the understanding that if I don't like it. I can just leave never come back. That its not a right to use a website. Like using Geek hack isn't a right.. its a privilege granted by the owner.

Before anyone say's its A$$ kissing its not.. cause if I ran a website and I have in the past. Then I expect people to follow my rules as long as I am paying for it and offering the service free. The moment I stop doing that and someone else takes over. Then they can create what ever rules they want and expect others to follow them. The internet is a right.. the content on the internet is a privilege.

[totallycaked]

[atectatifern]

When rules aren't broken, no moderation is needed. Funny that!

Right. But he didn't go off on a power trip and say the rules don't matter and lock the thread anyway. This stands in stark contrast to the situation with the OP.

[jacobsmirror]

Just to be completely clear, in an alternate reality (which happens often) , it could've gone like this:

---

Nafs: You've been banned for breaking posting rules.

Op: Hey, sorry. Didn't realize that. I'll read up on the rules for next time.

Me: No worries, happens all the time. I'll drop the ban to a reposting warning so you can still play on the subreddit. Just sort it out before your next post.

---

This entire post is predicated on op's insistence to push a point. So not only has more time from the r/mm mod team been taken, now GH mods as well. Seriously, we are trading keyboard wares here, let's keep perspective and not act like I shot your dog.

[tp4tissue]

Just to be completely clear, in an alternate reality (which happens often) , it could've gone like this:

---

Nafs: You've been banned for breaking posting rules.

Op: Hey, sorry. Didn't realize that. I'll read up on the rules for next time.

Me: No worries, happens all the time. I'll drop the ban to a reposting warning so you can still play on the subreddit. Just sort it out before your next post.

---

This entire post is predicated on op's insistence to push a point. So not only has more time from the r/mm mod team been taken, now GH mods as well. Seriously, we are trading keyboard wares here, let's keep perspective and not act like I shot your dog.

Hahahahahahahahahaahhaahhahahahahahahahh
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hahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha..

[totallycaked]

Oh man. We're all wasting the admins time guys, they have waaaaay more important things to do. Nobody told you to come here, guy.

[tp4tissue]

Oh man. We're all wasting the admins time guys, they have waaaaay more important things to do. Nobody told you to come here, guy.

User -totallycaked- , ..

we don't know u that well yet..  but ur giving off a doucheee vibe so far.. hahahaha

But Will withhold judgement until you make a few more non-complaint threads..

[totallycaked]

Fine by me! I'm not ashamed of the things I say. If I didn't say it, nobody would

(I hope you know I was talking about jacobsmirror in my last comment, not you)

[sncbraxsc2]

Yeah the mods are drunk with power, but that is so often the case.  What I really don't understand is the legion of domesticated dweebs they have over there that apparently have nothing better to do than to go around checking each post to make sure that it doesn't break a rule.  Even if the issues are inconsequential or mistakes made in good faith, doesn't matter.  They're like the old people at Del Boca Vista.  Like sncbraxsc2, up there.

There's always ebay.  I post to geekhack to try and find a kindred soul first, but if I can't sell something ebay usually does the trick.

 

5 day ban and they're drunk with power. How could someone that upset over 5 days of not being able to post presume to imply that I have nothing better to do. Not sure why you think you're describing me. I've reported maybe 3 or 4 posts in about the same number of years.. Anyway, if I find a ****ty rant post laughably whining about people I know, I might just continue the ****ty rant post myself. 

[tp4tissue]

Yeah the mods are drunk with power, but that is so often the case.  What I really don't understand is the legion of domesticated dweebs they have over there that apparently have nothing better to do than to go around checking each post to make sure that it doesn't break a rule.  Even if the issues are inconsequential or mistakes made in good faith, doesn't matter.  They're like the old people at Del Boca Vista.  Like sncbraxsc2, up there.

There's always ebay.  I post to geekhack to try and find a kindred soul first, but if I can't sell something ebay usually does the trick.

 

5 day ban and they're drunk with power. How could someone that upset over 5 days of not being able to post presume to imply that I have nothing better to do. Not sure why you think you're describing me. I've reported maybe 3 or 4 posts in about the same number of years.. Anyway, if I find a ****ty rant post laughably whining about people I know, I might just continue the ****ty rant post myself. 

All of ya'llz gotta calm down and haz a soda..

[totallycaked]

All in all this is a pretty civilized discussion from what I typically find myself in the middle of lol. Keep up the good work guys

[sncbraxsc2]

Yeah the mods are drunk with power, but that is so often the case.  What I really don't understand is the legion of domesticated dweebs they have over there that apparently have nothing better to do than to go around checking each post to make sure that it doesn't break a rule.  Even if the issues are inconsequential or mistakes made in good faith, doesn't matter.  They're like the old people at Del Boca Vista.  Like sncbraxsc2, up there.

There's always ebay.  I post to geekhack to try and find a kindred soul first, but if I can't sell something ebay usually does the trick.

 

5 day ban and they're drunk with power. How could someone that upset over 5 days of not being able to post presume to imply that I have nothing better to do. Not sure why you think you're describing me. I've reported maybe 3 or 4 posts in about the same number of years.. Anyway, if I find a ****ty rant post laughably whining about people I know, I might just continue the ****ty rant post myself. 

All of ya'llz gotta calm down and haz a soda..

I did chuckle at domesticated dweeb  ) and this entire thread in general

[totallycaked]

Couldn't agree more, I read this whole thread to my fiance last night and we were dying with laughter at some of these comments!

[MKULTRA]

Couldn't agree more, I read this whole thread to my fiance last night and we were dying with laughter at some of these comments!

can't wait for you to be unbanned so you can go back to leddit

[totallycaked]

Couldn't agree more, I read this whole thread to my fiance last night and we were dying with laughter at some of these comments!

can't wait for you to be unbanned so you can go back to leddit

Your comments were some of the funnier ones!

Being banned isn't why I'm on GH though, so that's a bit of a stretch.

[MKULTRA]

Couldn't agree more, I read this whole thread to my fiance last night and we were dying with laughter at some of these comments!

can't wait for you to be unbanned so you can go back to leddit

Your comments were some of the funnier ones!

Being banned isn't why I'm on GH though, so that's a bit of a stretch.

32 posts in 2 years. The contributions you have made to this community are monumental.

[totallycaked]

Post count doesn't include Artisan Services or Off-Topic comments. But I assume you know that, being that you're such an expert on this forum.

I'm actually at 183 but lets not split hairs over it

[gr4v3m4n]

Just to be completely clear, in an alternate reality (which happens often) , it could've gone like this:

---

Nafs: You've been banned for breaking posting rules.

Op: Hey, sorry. Didn't realize that. I'll read up on the rules for next time.

Me: No worries, happens all the time. I'll drop the ban to a reposting warning so you can still play on the subreddit. Just sort it out before your next post.

---

This entire post is predicated on op's insistence to push a point. So not only has more time from the r/mm mod team been taken, now GH mods as well. Seriously, we are trading keyboard wares here, let's keep perspective and not act like I shot your dog.

wait...so we cant question the reason if our post is banned? im sorry thats just sound power hungry to me. if you got caught by the cops you’ll asked for the reason, thats common sense. than you got busted anyway without credible explanation thats abuse.


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[Carcharocles]

Okay, I didn't really want to post in this thread, but the "power hungry" comments are getting ridiculous. This situation is on the OP.

First off, let me say that there is good forum moderating and bad. However, the only thing that seems anywhere close to "bad" is how this mod phrased "don't argue with the mods." The mod was simply telling the OP not to start a fight over his ban, which the OP did anyway and predictably got penalized further for it. The mod had a right to do that, if not an outright responsibility--no forum worth its salt will tolerate that kind of behavior. That the OP just got a couple of days added on to his rather lenient temporary ban seems pretty forgiving if you ask me.

Of course, then the OP took his gripes here--a separate forum that shares little more than a few members and a common topic--to complain about his "poor treatment". That is poor forum etiquette--the OP is basically drawing another group into his fight, which is incredibly rude and/or obnoxious behavior depending on who you talk to.

Neither r/mm nor GeekHack mods are paid as far as I know. They do what they do on a volunteer basis, and spend the rest of their time in their own lives, at jobs that pay, and possibly taking care of families and kids. They quite literally don't have the time to settle inter-forum petty squabbles. The mods aren't the internet police, and forums aren't democracies. Mods honestly don't have to tell you anything that the people above them don't require them to.

Keep in mind that when the mod said that he and r/mm's other mods don't like people questioning their bans, this was not the same as forbidding the OP from asking questions about his ban. The mod just meant that they don't like users arguing about them and pushing their point--which, by the way, is exactly what the OP did. Most forums have a rule specifically forbidding arguing with mods--I don't know if r/mm has this as an official rule, but it generally falls under common sense even if it isn't posted.

To the OP: this should be taken as an opportunity for learning. I suggest you use the time your ban has given you to learn how to read rules, talk to the mods and pick up some general forum etiquette. If you don't, experiences like this will only keep happening.

[fohat.digs]

Nafs: You've been banned for breaking posting rules.

Op: Hey, sorry. Didn't realize that. I'll read up on the rules for next time.

Me: No worries, happens all the time. I'll drop the ban to a reposting warning so you can still play on the subreddit. Just sort it out before your next post.

I agree. I don't know what brought on this tempest in a teapot, but I would hope that it would stay over in its own sandbox and not bother us with it.

[UsualSuspectXXX]

Okay, I didn't really want to post in this thread, but the "power hungry" comments are getting ridiculous. This situation is on the OP.

Agreed, this entire thread is ridiculous. You make good points but I have a feeling it's falling on deaf ears.

[totallycaked]

It's in Off-Topic, none of you are being forced to read any of this. You don't need to respond or acknowledge a single thing I say, its called a rant for a reason. I wasn't going to bring this up on reddit because well, I'd probably just get further time added to my ban. I brought it here because I know there are plenty of people who would discuss this issue and likely share their own stories of admin abuse from the mechmarket mods (which many did, interesting.) Whether they are volunteering or not, admins deserve to have checks and balances or they can easily abuse their powers (which clearly happens quite a bit). My goal was to expose the ridiculously petty nature of my interaction with the mods and call them out on their abuse in a public forum so that maybe next time they think about the repercussions of their willy-nilly bans.

Jacobsmirror became a moderator only 5 months ago on mechmarket, and he's already expressed some of the worst qualities to have as a neutral moderator. Its laughable to think that if I had kissed his ass in a private message that he would've erased the random over-the-top ban that he gave me. Not only that, but because I didn't become passive and put my tail between my legs, he threw another 5 day ban on top. Those of you who are defending this clear abuse of power are only helping to further the notion that admins are dictators and can never do wrong.

As visitors to a website, we are expected to follow the rules set by the site owner (in this case the MM mods) without question. This is not what is at issue here, I'm aware that I broke a rule. The punishment for breaking this rule is laid out pretty clearly in said rules, and yet my situation called for a much harsher punishment than what is very plainly explained in the rules. I asked - in an extremely neutral way - why I was treated so harshly for such a simple mistake. Obviously because I didn't apologize right off the bat, I'm clearly a jerk and should be banned even longer for just asking why. Give me a break, volunteer admins should not be this high-strung about how they're spoken to.

You banned me for such a petty reason and I called you out on it. The explanation you gave for the ban initially was insanely contradictory and I asked what you meant by that because it made no sense. At no point was I disrespectful toward the mods, and mostly just frustrated with the lack of a clear explanation. And then he drops the bomb - the admins are above the rules! Ah, now it all makes sense.

Once again I appreciate these comments, its the only way we will ever have a discussion about this kind of thing.

[jacobsmirror]

Me when I go to do some super evil reddit modding.

[totallycaked]

Hilariously accurate

[jacobsmirror]

Hilariously accurate

Based on your caricature of me, I thought it appropriate too.

[ghostjuggernaut]

I can't speak to reddit, since it is a massive business, but I would be willing to bet that r/mechmarket moderators live a similar life to a gh mod.  I wanted to address some points coming from a gh viewpoint.

Whether they are volunteering or not, admins deserve to have checks and balances or they can easily abuse their powers (which clearly happens quite a bit).

This is completely incorrect.  The site owner has entrusted the day to day operation and moderating of content to a group of individuals, who have the power to

remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason

I would image that r/mechmarket has similar leeway in how they handle their business.

admins are dictators and can never do wrong

We are all people, and make mistakes.  Hell jacob even said

if you just would've handled it in a more kind fashion, I would've reversed the ban and we all could've gone on our merry way

He admitted that he may not have handled it the correct way, but based his decision on your tone.  I think we can all agree that you tend to be very brash when speaking to people.  This may be a character trait, it may just be you thinking that you are above everyone.  Not saying its a bad thing, but you should learn your environment before jumping in head first and being a **** all the time.  Mechmarket mods are good people, and I generally trust their judgement, even if they make mistakes.  Hell ive made mistakes, plenty of them.  Thats how you learn and grow as a human being.

Give me a break, volunteer admins should not be this high-strung about how they're spoken to.

You have obviously never been an admin/mod of a large community.  I have kept an eye on every reply to this thread to make sure things dont get out of hand.  Do you think I have nothing better to do than read these comments?  I can promise you I do.  But i made an agreement to uphold the site rules and ensure that the site is safe for all users, not just ones that rant on for days since they were banned from a different site.  I should have removed this thread from the get go.  Reddit drama doesnt need to spread to geekhack.  They are two different animals and two vastly different communities, but it was in OT so I allowed it. 

My advice, just lock YOUR thread and wait for you ban to expire.  Then use due diligence and read the rules BEFORE you make a post on any forum.  A good place to start is with the Geekhack TOS.

[gr4v3m4n]

Keep in mind that when the mod said that he and r/mm's other mods don't like people questioning their bans, this was not the same as forbidding the OP from asking questions about his ban. The mod just meant that they don't like users arguing about them and pushing their point.

uhm...you got me confused here what’s the difference between forbidding and dont like to be argued?



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[Gajible]

It's in Off-Topic, none of you are being forced to read any of this. You don't need to respond or acknowledge a single thing I say, its called a rant for a reason. I wasn't going to bring this up on reddit because well, I'd probably just get further time added to my ban. I brought it here because I know there are plenty of people who would discuss this issue and likely share their own stories of admin abuse from the mechmarket mods (which many did, interesting.) Whether they are volunteering or not, admins deserve to have checks and balances or they can easily abuse their powers (which clearly happens quite a bit). My goal was to expose the ridiculously petty nature of my interaction with the mods and call them out on their abuse in a public forum so that maybe next time they think about the repercussions of their willy-nilly bans.

Jacobsmirror became a moderator only 5 months ago on mechmarket, and he's already expressed some of the worst qualities to have as a neutral moderator. Its laughable to think that if I had kissed his ass in a private message that he would've erased the random over-the-top ban that he gave me. Not only that, but because I didn't become passive and put my tail between my legs, he threw another 5 day ban on top. Those of you who are defending this clear abuse of power are only helping to further the notion that admins are dictators and can never do wrong.

As visitors to a website, we are expected to follow the rules set by the site owner (in this case the MM mods) without question. This is not what is at issue here, I'm aware that I broke a rule. The punishment for breaking this rule is laid out pretty clearly in said rules, and yet my situation called for a much harsher punishment than what is very plainly explained in the rules. I asked - in an extremely neutral way - why I was treated so harshly for such a simple mistake. Obviously because I didn't apologize right off the bat, I'm clearly a jerk and should be banned even longer for just asking why. Give me a break, volunteer admins should not be this high-strung about how they're spoken to.

You banned me for such a petty reason and I called you out on it. The explanation you gave for the ban initially was insanely contradictory and I asked what you meant by that because it made no sense. At no point was I disrespectful toward the mods, and mostly just frustrated with the lack of a clear explanation. And then he drops the bomb - the admins are above the rules! Ah, now it all makes sense.

Once again I appreciate these comments, its the only way we will ever have a discussion about this kind of thing.

Couple things to touch on here.

Jacobsmirror didn't issue the initial ban, and nobody is asking you to kiss ass when banned.

The rules you keep referring back to are in regards to our reposting rules. You're right, they're very basic: " ALL personal trading posts (e.g. buying/selling/trading) have a 48 hour cooldown period from your last post made on /r/mechmarket."

In deleting your previous post prior to reposting, our moderator crew viewed this as an attempt to obfuscate your post "timing", so to speak. Because of this, a harsher punishment was issued. (Accidental repost/unawareness vs obfuscating a repost). If you can't follow our thought process here, I'm not sure what to tell you.

I brought it here because I know there are plenty of people who would discuss this issue and likely share their own stories of admin abuse from the mechmarket mods (which many did, interesting.)

The only person who was truly on-board with this rhetoric seems to have been Metalliqaz. Interestingly, Metalliqaz was banned on TWO separate occasions: Once for encouraging and taking private bids on items, and once for selling unrelated items and arguing about the validity of this rule. https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/7g45z2/uscth_cst_25455wrc_trackball_candy_cane_dipcap_w/. I'm seeing a direct correlation between breaking rules and indignation. 

We have around 50k unique monthly page views, thousands of successful monthly transactions, and what I like to think is a fairly friendly and welcoming environment. It would seem you're the outlier.

[Carcharocles]

uhm...you got me confused here what’s the difference between forbidding and dont like to be argued?

Forbidding means you can't ask questions at all. That's not what the mod was trying to say--the OP could ask the reason, the mod could state it, then the OP could have apologized politely and sincerely and the mod might have reduced the "sentence" or just given him a warning. This would be "asking a question."

Arguing means you don't want to accept the ban and (usually) don't want to take responsibility for your actions, and you go about trying to force the mod to side with you by confronting and giving a bad attitude. This is bad etiquette, it never works with anyone, anywhere (even in the real world) and there is either an unspoken rule or outright stated rule on every forum I've been a member of saying specifically not to do this. It's also what the OP did, and it is sometimes called "questioning."

And given how harsh I've seen some mods be on other sites, the OP got off very easy. I've seen people IP banned for doing what he did.

[totallycaked]

I might be in the wrong on a couple of minor points, but the fact that this has sparked this type of discussion and response from multiple admins proves there is merit in my claims, no matter how many times you try to deny it.

This is not isolated, and I'm not the only one who feels this way by a long shot.

[Gajible]

I might be in the wrong on a couple of minor points, but the fact that this has sparked this type of discussion and response from multiple admins proves there is merit in my claims, no matter how many times you try to deny it.

Discussing a claim doesn't give it merit. In what world does this logic apply? I can discuss the earth being flat until I'm blue in the face and it'll still be without merit.

This is not isolated, and I'm not the only one who feels this way by a long shot.

It is isolated though. You're very few of thousands. I'd say the ratio is pretty damn good

[gr4v3m4n]

well im a noob in this forum, but im well experience in other forums. ive seen stupid jerks mods and wise mods. from what i gattered from OP post it seems the problem arised from the mod attitude giving the OP additional punishment for asking lesser punishment (correct me if im wrong). while the OP is wrong for braking the rules, the mod should have been more wiser and simply give a NO answer to the question instead giving a jok attitude “im the boss so **** you”. thats my oppinion.


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[Cocopah]

Probably best to vent and get over it. Sucks that it went down the way it did but let it slide. Besides there's other ways of trading than just r/mm.

[totallycaked]

I might be in the wrong on a couple of minor points, but the fact that this has sparked this type of discussion and response from multiple admins proves there is merit in my claims, no matter how many times you try to deny it.

Discussing a claim doesn't give it merit. In what world does this logic apply? I can discuss the earth being flat until I'm blue and it'll still be without merit.

This is not isolated, and I'm not the only one who feels this way by a long shot.

It is isolated though. You're very few of thousands. I'd say the ratio is pretty damn good

Why did you choose to use that example lol

Discussing the earth being flat does have merit, because there are people who actually do believe that to be the truth - and on the flip side of that coin, there are those who do not believe the earth is flat and will engage in discourse with the flat-earther's in order to convince them that they are wrong. This is what merit is. "Deserve or be worthy of (something, especially reward, punishment, or attention)". I have garnered attention from a multitude of viewpoints, especially those with opposing viewpoints. Thus, my claims have merit.

And I'm not just talking about the people that posted here when I said this is not isolated.

[Gajible]

I might be in the wrong on a couple of minor points, but the fact that this has sparked this type of discussion and response from multiple admins proves there is merit in my claims, no matter how many times you try to deny it.

Discussing a claim doesn't give it merit. In what world does this logic apply? I can discuss the earth being flat until I'm blue and it'll still be without merit.

This is not isolated, and I'm not the only one who feels this way by a long shot.

It is isolated though. You're very few of thousands. I'd say the ratio is pretty damn good

Why did you choose to use that example lol

Discussing the earth being flat does have merit, because there are people who actually do believe that to be the truth - and on the flip side of that coin, there are those who do not believe the earth is flat and will engage in discourse with the flat-earther's in order to convince them that they are wrong. This is what merit is. "Deserve or be worthy of (something, especially reward, punishment, or attention)". I have garnered attention from a multitude of viewpoints, especially those with opposing viewpoints. Thus, my claims have merit.

And I'm not just talking about the people that posted here when I said this is not isolated.

You're telling me the discussion has merit; it does. The initial claim itself is still baseless and the merit comes from refuting the claim.

Feel free to point me to anyone who was banned or wronged without just cause and I'll happily look into it!

[HotRoderX]

Kinda shocked this thread hasn't been locked or died yet.. TP did you bring the organic popcorn! you can eat popcorn right?

[totallycaked]

Kinda shocked this thread hasn't been locked or died yet.. TP did you bring the organic popcorn! you can eat popcorn right?

I mean there's no rules being broken here, ghost said it himself. I could stop responding and everything would cease, but why would I? This is great conversation!

[HotRoderX]

Kinda shocked this thread hasn't been locked or died yet.. TP did you bring the organic popcorn! you can eat popcorn right?

I mean there's no rules being broken here, ghost said it himself. I could lock the thread, but why would I? This is great conversation!

Honestly the biggest reason would be out of curtsy of Mech Market and its mods. I would think the reverse would be true if someone was banned/temp banned/ warned on Geekhack. Then went to R/ Mechanical Keyboard's to vent about it. It does make for entertaining soap box reading thought, I won't lie. 

[Signature]

Kinda shocked this thread hasn't been locked or died yet.. TP did you bring the organic popcorn! you can eat popcorn right?

I mean there's no rules being broken here, ghost said it himself. I could lock the thread, but why would I? This is great conversation!

Honestly the biggest reason would be out of curtsy of Mech Market and its mods. I would think the reverse would be true if someone was banned/temp banned/ warned on Geekhack. Then went to R/ Mechanical Keyboard's to vent about it. It does make for entertaining soap box reading thought, I won't lie.

Hehe r/MK truly Loves GH 

[totallycaked]

Why would that be courteous? Like these things are never supposed to be talked about? These guys willingly came in here and responded, if this hurts their reputation its their own fault.

[Signature]

Can you just drop this already?

Why would that be courteous? Like these things are never supposed to be talked about? These guys willingly came in here and responded, if this hurts their reputation its their own fault.

Making a slander thread about being rightfully banned, and then blame them for coming and in and responding? So if I make a thread called "totallycaked is an entitled ***" linking to this thread, Im the one creating discussion and you are the one hurting your reputation? If you only would like closure on the matter you could have locked the thread when jacobsmirror answered, but it seems like the answer doesn't fit your personal agenda.

Fine by me! I'm not ashamed of the things I say. If I didn't say it, nobody would

(I hope you know I was talking about jacobsmirror in my last comment, not you)

On behalf of Geekhack, we would like to thank you for speaking out on these matters, where no one else could. /s

[Gajible]

If this hurts their reputation its their own fault.

[totallycaked]

Can you just drop this already?

Why would that be courteous? Like these things are never supposed to be talked about? These guys willingly came in here and responded, if this hurts their reputation its their own fault.

Making a slander thread about being rightfully banned, and then blame them for coming and in and responding? So if I make a thread called "totallycaked is an entitled ***" linking to this thread, Im the one creating discussion and you are the one hurting your reputation? If you only would like closure on the matter you could have locked the thread when jacobsmirror answered, but it seems like the answer doesn't fit your personal agenda.

Fine by me! I'm not ashamed of the things I say. If I didn't say it, nobody would

(I hope you know I was talking about jacobsmirror in my last comment, not you)

On behalf of Geekhack, we would like to thank you for speaking out on these matters, where no one else could. /s

Slander? What's false about what I said? I posted the whole conversation lol, I wasn't lying.

To address your second point, I had no idea who I was dealing with until they showed up and literally said they were the ones involved. There are more than a couple of moderators on mechmarket. I had no intention of trying to out them in this thread, simply to vent about the treatment. They took it upon themselves to do that, so don't act like I'm trying to start a witch hunt.

[Gajible]