Author Topic: Why can't we all respect cherry and topre (Read 5221 times)

Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.

Cherry hiding in fear

ThoughtArtist · « **Reply #9 on:** Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25 »

Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36

Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

chyros · « **Reply #10 on:** Mon, 22 January 2018, 00:20:11 »

Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25

Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

It's not generally good at anything, what are you talking about?

rowdy · « **Reply #11 on:** Mon, 22 January 2018, 19:45:49 »

Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25

Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

Cherry's ok if you can't get anything else.

Hyde · « **Reply #12 on:** Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:20:58 »

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 22 January 2018, 19:45:49

Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25
Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

Cherry's ok if you can't get anything else.

LOL I actually think the Ryu example was really good, it's jack of all trades master of none.

It's probably at the moment most accessible switch with most options (with all the MX compatible options, custom keycaps, custom cases, custom springs, and custom keyboard kits).

But if you look at spcific criteria there are other switches that do certain things better:

ALPS = More tactility.
Buckling Spring = More mechanical feel.
Topre = Smooth and comfortable typing experience.
Romer-G = LOL this one puzzles me because I'm not exactly sure which area this does better yet, Romer-G feels like it's kind of like MX Brown but just overall a little bit sturdier and tiny bit more tactile.

But again each still has their issues and problems but overall Cherry does decent in all categories or even if not they have potential for people to mod it or improve it to their liking.

Cherry MX is like the Camry of switches, everyone complain about it but it's still the best selling car LOL.

tanvir175 · « **Reply #13 on:** Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:53:55 »

Quote from: Hyde on Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:20:58

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 22 January 2018, 19:45:49
Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25
Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

Cherry's ok if you can't get anything else.

LOL I actually think the Ryu example was really good, it's jack of all trades master of none.

It's probably at the moment most accessible switch with most options (with all the MX compatible options, custom keycaps, custom cases, custom springs, and custom keyboard kits).

But if you look at spcific criteria there are other switches that do certain things better:

ALPS = More tactility.
Buckling Spring = More mechanical feel.
Topre = Smooth and comfortable typing experience.
Romer-G = LOL this one puzzles me because I'm not exactly sure which area this does better yet, Romer-G feels like it's kind of like MX Brown but just overall a little bit sturdier and tiny bit more tactile.

But again each still has their issues and problems but overall Cherry does decent in all categories or even if not they have potential for people to mod it or improve it to their liking.

Cherry MX is like the Camry of switches, everyone complain about it but it's still the best selling car LOL.

In my experience, Romer-G is less tactile than MX Browns. And that's pretty ****ing tactile-less. I don't know if I'd describe it as sturdy but mushy. It feels like I'm pressing onto a wet roll of tissue.

That being said, I'd still prefer it over any cheapo crappy membrane and I didn't (completely) hate the experience while using it.

Puddsy · « **Reply #14 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 02:01:53 »

this is a community built on subjective arguing

it's part of why i like it so much

rich1051414 · « **Reply #15 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 05:04:10 »

I have typed on linear switches more tactile than Romer-G. Like matias reds. I honestly don't know what they were thinking.

chyros · « **Reply #16 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 06:03:20 »

Quote from: Hyde on Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:20:58

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 22 January 2018, 19:45:49
Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25
Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

Cherry's ok if you can't get anything else.

LOL I actually think the Ryu example was really good, it's jack of all trades master of none.

It's probably at the moment most accessible switch with most options (with all the MX compatible options, custom keycaps, custom cases, custom springs, and custom keyboard kits).

But if you look at spcific criteria there are other switches that do certain things better:

ALPS = More tactility.
Buckling Spring = More mechanical feel.
Topre = Smooth and comfortable typing experience.
Romer-G = LOL this one puzzles me because I'm not exactly sure which area this does better yet, Romer-G feels like it's kind of like MX Brown but just overall a little bit sturdier and tiny bit more tactile.

But again each still has their issues and problems but overall Cherry does decent in all categories or even if not they have potential for people to mod it or improve it to their liking.

Cherry MX is like the Camry of switches, everyone complain about it but it's still the best selling car LOL.

I'd wish that were the case but that's unfortunately the exact opposite of what actually happens. Not everyone complains about Cherry, it's exactly the opposite. Everything non-Cherry is extremely niche and the vast majority of people in the community don't even know they exist - I dare say that most of them think that Cherry INVENTED the mechanical keyboard on their own and that the MX switch is from 2010 or something, while it's actually from 1983 and back then Cherry were only a very small player and not really rated by anyone. Cherry keyboards were basically an afterthought, if a thought at all.

It's not like their switches aren't functional or anything, I mean they work fine, and they're certainly not without their own merits, but for me one of the most jarring issues is that basically everything else at least FEELS better, yet Cherry are the only one that people know about.

Zobeid Zuma · « **Reply #17 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 10:22:36 »

Quote from: chyros on Tue, 23 January 2018, 06:03:20

I'd wish that were the case but that's unfortunately the exact opposite of what actually happens. Not everyone complains about Cherry, it's exactly the opposite. Everything non-Cherry is extremely niche and the vast majority of people in the community don't even know they exist…

I have the impression that this situation is changing pretty quickly.

nogoodnames444 · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 11:45:45 »

Quote from: chyros on Tue, 23 January 2018, 06:03:20

Quote from: Hyde on Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:20:58
Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 22 January 2018, 19:45:49
Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25
Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

Cherry's ok if you can't get anything else.

LOL I actually think the Ryu example was really good, it's jack of all trades master of none.

It's probably at the moment most accessible switch with most options (with all the MX compatible options, custom keycaps, custom cases, custom springs, and custom keyboard kits).

But if you look at spcific criteria there are other switches that do certain things better:

ALPS = More tactility.
Buckling Spring = More mechanical feel.
Topre = Smooth and comfortable typing experience.
Romer-G = LOL this one puzzles me because I'm not exactly sure which area this does better yet, Romer-G feels like it's kind of like MX Brown but just overall a little bit sturdier and tiny bit more tactile.

But again each still has their issues and problems but overall Cherry does decent in all categories or even if not they have potential for people to mod it or improve it to their liking.

Cherry MX is like the Camry of switches, everyone complain about it but it's still the best selling car LOL.
I'd wish that were the case but that's unfortunately the exact opposite of what actually happens. Not everyone complains about Cherry, it's exactly the opposite. Everything non-Cherry is extremely niche and the vast majority of people in the community don't even know they exist - I dare say that most of them think that Cherry INVENTED the mechanical keyboard on their own and that the MX switch is from 2010 or something, while it's actually from 1983 and back then Cherry were only a very small player and not really rated by anyone. Cherry keyboards were basically an afterthought, if a thought at all.

It's not like their switches aren't functional or anything, I mean they work fine, and they're certainly not without their own merits, but for me one of the most jarring issues is that basically everything else at least FEELS better, yet Cherry are the only one that people know about.

Welp you were the one that inspired me to get a model m

chyros · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 11:49:03 »

Quote from: Zobeid Zuma on Tue, 23 January 2018, 10:22:36

Quote from: chyros on Tue, 23 January 2018, 06:03:20
I'd wish that were the case but that's unfortunately the exact opposite of what actually happens. Not everyone complains about Cherry, it's exactly the opposite. Everything non-Cherry is extremely niche and the vast majority of people in the community don't even know they exist…

I have the impression that this situation is changing pretty quickly.

Is it though? We get people, what, daily? that go "I like the brown switches" - needing no further specifications, in other words

.

Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Tue, 23 January 2018, 11:45:45

Quote from: chyros on Tue, 23 January 2018, 06:03:20
Quote from: Hyde on Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:20:58
Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 22 January 2018, 19:45:49
Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:07:25
Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:53:36
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:46:47
Quote from: Techno Trousers on Wed, 17 January 2018, 16:51:37
Quote from: Kevadu on Wed, 17 January 2018, 14:34:50
But buckling spring!
Capacitive versus membrane. Fight!

BS as referee?

Alps holding the drinks.
Cherry hiding in fear

Cherry is like the Ryu of switches. Hated by some, but such a good generalist to be indispensable

Cherry's ok if you can't get anything else.

LOL I actually think the Ryu example was really good, it's jack of all trades master of none.

It's probably at the moment most accessible switch with most options (with all the MX compatible options, custom keycaps, custom cases, custom springs, and custom keyboard kits).

But if you look at spcific criteria there are other switches that do certain things better:

ALPS = More tactility.
Buckling Spring = More mechanical feel.
Topre = Smooth and comfortable typing experience.
Romer-G = LOL this one puzzles me because I'm not exactly sure which area this does better yet, Romer-G feels like it's kind of like MX Brown but just overall a little bit sturdier and tiny bit more tactile.

But again each still has their issues and problems but overall Cherry does decent in all categories or even if not they have potential for people to mod it or improve it to their liking.

Cherry MX is like the Camry of switches, everyone complain about it but it's still the best selling car LOL.
I'd wish that were the case but that's unfortunately the exact opposite of what actually happens. Not everyone complains about Cherry, it's exactly the opposite. Everything non-Cherry is extremely niche and the vast majority of people in the community don't even know they exist - I dare say that most of them think that Cherry INVENTED the mechanical keyboard on their own and that the MX switch is from 2010 or something, while it's actually from 1983 and back then Cherry were only a very small player and not really rated by anyone. Cherry keyboards were basically an afterthought, if a thought at all.

It's not like their switches aren't functional or anything, I mean they work fine, and they're certainly not without their own merits, but for me one of the most jarring issues is that basically everything else at least FEELS better, yet Cherry are the only one that people know about.
Welp you were the one that inspired me to get a model m

Hoo-ah, hope you're liking it

.

Kevadu · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:00:25 »

If we're strictly talking about key feel then I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight face that Cherry is better than Alps. Doesn't matter if you're talking about clicky, tactile, or even linear (though they're admittedly closer there), Alps dominates.

That said there are things that are important besides key feel. They're just not things that get people in the hardcore community very excited.

Alps switches seem to me to be a lot more temperamental than Cherry. They're well-known to be more vulnerable to dirt and dust, but it's not just that. I've had much more problems on Alps boards with things like pressing a key once and having two keystrokes register, likely because the contacts aren't connecting cleanly. Not to say that happens all the time or anything, but it does seem to happen more on Alps than Cherry. Cherry just seems more reliable. (Note that this is really about simplified Alps. I haven't spent enough time with complicated Alps switches to even have an opinion here...)

chyros · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:04:00 »

Quote from: Kevadu on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:00:25

If we're strictly talking about key feel then I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight face that Cherry is better than Alps. Doesn't matter if you're talking about clicky, tactile, or even linear (though they're admittedly closer there), Alps dominates.

That said there are things that are important besides key feel. They're just not things that get people in the hardcore community very excited.

Alps switches seem to me to be a lot more temperamental than Cherry. They're well-known to be more vulnerable to dirt and dust, but it's not just that. I've had much more problems on Alps boards with things like pressing a key once and having two keystrokes register, likely because the contacts aren't connecting cleanly. Not to say that happens all the time or anything, but it does seem to happen more on Alps than Cherry. Cherry just seems more reliable. (Note that this is really about simplified Alps. I haven't spent enough time with complicated Alps switches to even have an opinion here...)

The same is true for complicated Alps. Although not as unreliable as simplified ones, they're still extremely fickle.

It wasn't until I started getting in MKs and especially Alps that I understood why the Top Gear presenters like Alfa Romeo cars.

nogoodnames444 · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:44:24 »

Quote from: chyros on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:04:00

Quote from: Kevadu on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:00:25
If we're strictly talking about key feel then I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight face that Cherry is better than Alps. Doesn't matter if you're talking about clicky, tactile, or even linear (though they're admittedly closer there), Alps dominates.

That said there are things that are important besides key feel. They're just not things that get people in the hardcore community very excited.

Alps switches seem to me to be a lot more temperamental than Cherry. They're well-known to be more vulnerable to dirt and dust, but it's not just that. I've had much more problems on Alps boards with things like pressing a key once and having two keystrokes register, likely because the contacts aren't connecting cleanly. Not to say that happens all the time or anything, but it does seem to happen more on Alps than Cherry. Cherry just seems more reliable. (Note that this is really about simplified Alps. I haven't spent enough time with complicated Alps switches to even have an opinion here...)
The same is true for complicated Alps. Although not as unreliable as simplified ones, they're still extremely fickle.

It wasn't until I started getting in MKs and especially Alps that I understood why the Top Gear presenters like Alfa Romeo cars.

How close to matias feel to alps? clicky

tp4tissue · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 13:16:55 »

ERGODOX is the superior Keyboard..

The Switch doesn't really matter..

rich1051414 · « **Reply #24 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 14:57:25 »

Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:44:24

Quote from: chyros on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:04:00
Quote from: Kevadu on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:00:25
If we're strictly talking about key feel then I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight face that Cherry is better than Alps. Doesn't matter if you're talking about clicky, tactile, or even linear (though they're admittedly closer there), Alps dominates.

That said there are things that are important besides key feel. They're just not things that get people in the hardcore community very excited.

Alps switches seem to me to be a lot more temperamental than Cherry. They're well-known to be more vulnerable to dirt and dust, but it's not just that. I've had much more problems on Alps boards with things like pressing a key once and having two keystrokes register, likely because the contacts aren't connecting cleanly. Not to say that happens all the time or anything, but it does seem to happen more on Alps than Cherry. Cherry just seems more reliable. (Note that this is really about simplified Alps. I haven't spent enough time with complicated Alps switches to even have an opinion here...)
The same is true for complicated Alps. Although not as unreliable as simplified ones, they're still extremely fickle.

It wasn't until I started getting in MKs and especially Alps that I understood why the Top Gear presenters like Alfa Romeo cars.
How close to matias feel to alps? clicky

They feel similar, but clunkier. It is mostly due to the added tactility of the switch plate, it adds a second bump and feels 'strange', especailly if you are coming from complicated alps. Otherwise, they are just like simplified alps. The word 'clunky' is used in comparison to complicated alps. The switches are still leaps and bounds better than anything cherry mx based. Kailh box switches with click bars are the first cherry switch I have actually enjoyed after switching to alps, but they still aren't as nice. They need to get on that before an alps based switch figures out how to do cherry mx mounting... I fear that might be game over if that switch goes mainstream.

nogoodnames444 · « **Reply #25 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 15:01:44 »

Quote from: rich1051414 on Tue, 23 January 2018, 14:57:25

Quote from: nogoodnames444 on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:44:24
Quote from: chyros on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:04:00
Quote from: Kevadu on Tue, 23 January 2018, 12:00:25
If we're strictly talking about key feel then I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight face that Cherry is better than Alps. Doesn't matter if you're talking about clicky, tactile, or even linear (though they're admittedly closer there), Alps dominates.

That said there are things that are important besides key feel. They're just not things that get people in the hardcore community very excited.

Alps switches seem to me to be a lot more temperamental than Cherry. They're well-known to be more vulnerable to dirt and dust, but it's not just that. I've had much more problems on Alps boards with things like pressing a key once and having two keystrokes register, likely because the contacts aren't connecting cleanly. Not to say that happens all the time or anything, but it does seem to happen more on Alps than Cherry. Cherry just seems more reliable. (Note that this is really about simplified Alps. I haven't spent enough time with complicated Alps switches to even have an opinion here...)
The same is true for complicated Alps. Although not as unreliable as simplified ones, they're still extremely fickle.

It wasn't until I started getting in MKs and especially Alps that I understood why the Top Gear presenters like Alfa Romeo cars.
How close to matias feel to alps? clicky

They feel similar, but clunkier. It is mostly due to the added tactility of the switch plate, it adds a second bump and feels 'strange', especailly if you are coming from complicated alps. Otherwise, they are just like simplified alps. The word 'clunky' is used in comparison to complicated alps. The switches are still leaps and bounds better than anything cherry mx based. Kailh box switches with click bars are the first cherry switch I have actually enjoyed after switching to alps, but they still aren't as nice.

That seems right because matias have that double bump and I hate it

fohat.digs · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue, 23 January 2018, 17:24:05 »

Quote from: Hyde on Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:20:58

Cherry MX is like the Camry of switches

I have been driving Camrys for over 20 years and am on my 3rd one now (all 4-door, 4-cylinder automatics). I rarely complain about my cars.

There are acceptable MX-style switches (clear and brown), good ones (ergo clears), and very good ones (jailhouse green and blues), and after you lube them and install O-rings they get much better, but while I want my car to be dependable and economical, I want my keyboard to be more than that.

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Author Topic: Why can't we all respect cherry and topre (Read 5221 times)