UK "Brexit" Referendum

[rowdy]

This is why stupid people shouldn't be allowed to vote

The number of times I've seen kids on social media say this...

Would you like to impose rules on who can vote, aside from voting age of course? Perhaps imposing a minimum level of education or level of intelligence would be a good idea. What do you think? Hmm.. but surely by correlation that would result mostly in less working class people and minorities being able to vote.

Honestly, saying that "these people shouldn't be able to vote" is as bad as it gets; you are saying that people who don't share your worldview should have no say in the affairs of the country or the world. Most of the people who I've seen saying this are the same people who call UKIP, Leave campaign fascists and racists. It's hypocritical. Sad!

Hey we trust most decisions to a meritocracy I don't see how this is some huge step towards the oppression of some groups

Hell just give poeple that have post graduate degrees 2 votes instead of 1

Give teachers and nurses 3 votes instead of 1

done

The teachers at my daughter's school should get one vote between them.

Even they they'd fsck it up.

[demik]

Sure, the economy is a bit broken for a few years, but in the end the UK will have more control over immigration so that road signs in 5 years are not dual language for English and Arabic.

You are right. Scary brown people are taking over. Send help!

Islam is incompatible with modern society. Nothing about brown people, it's about a religious invasion which will not assimilate. Religion is not a race.

Not just Islam. Religion is ass backwards for modern society.

[iri]

To **** England and Wales. Scotland and NI will say goodbye to the Kingdom eventually.

[fohat.digs]

Islam is incompatible with modern society. Nothing about brown people, it's about a religious invasion which will not assimilate. Religion is not a race.

Not just Islam. Religion is ass backwards for modern society.

Back in the Bronze Age religion was invented as sort of a surrogate for both government and science.

Today, we understand that government and science are very important and need to be based on facts and reality.

There is no problem with religion today as long as it does not butt into government or science, where it has no business and does not belong.

[Lord of Narwhals]

Sure, the economy is a bit broken for a few years, but in the end the UK will have more control over immigration so that road signs in 5 years are not dual language for English and Arabic.

You are right. Scary brown people are taking over. Send help!

Islam is incompatible with modern society. Nothing about brown people, it's about a religious invasion which will not assimilate. Religion is not a race.

Sounds like you haven't met many Muslims.
A lot of time you can't even tell if they're Muslims or not. In 10th-12th grade there were three Muslims in my class. None of them ate pig but none of them wore a hijab, and two of them drank alcohol.

And I'd argue that whilst religion isn't a race (which a bit of an odd statement in the first place since race is kind of a social construct), religion tends to behave a lot like a race. 
If you believe in religion X then you most likely do so because your parents believed in religion X and thus thought you to believe it as a child. This is true for pretty much any religion.
People often say that religion is a choice but it sure as hell isn't an easy one. It usually takes years for people to transition away from the religion their parents taught them.

[katushkin]

People are stupid. The 350m pounds for the NHS was bull**** right from the start, yet people just ate it up. Even when one of the chairs of the Health Select committee defected SOLEY because of that figure being bull****, people still didn't realise.

Islam is incompatible with modern society. Nothing about brown people, it's about a religious invasion which will not assimilate. Religion is not a race.

LUL

Let's play "Spot the Trump supporter".

I bet you've had loads of problems with Muslims assimilating. I also like how you've put "Religion is not a race" so nobody can accuse you of being racist. Good job. Although it probably would have been better if you just said "I'm not racist, but" at the start of your post.

[Waateva]

Sure, the economy is a bit broken for a few years, but in the end the UK will have more control over immigration so that road signs in 5 years are not dual language for English and Arabic.

You are right. Scary brown people are taking over. Send help!

Islam is incompatible with modern society. Nothing about brown people, it's about a religious invasion which will not assimilate. Religion is not a race.

Sounds like you haven't met many Muslims.
A lot of time you can't even tell if they're Muslims or not. In 10th-12th grade there were three Muslims in my class. None of them ate pig but none of them wore a hijab, and two of them drank alcohol.

And I'd argue that whilst religion isn't a race (which a bit of an odd statement in the first place since race is kind of a social construct), religion tends to behave a lot like a race. 
If you believe in religion X then you most likely do so because your parents believed in religion X and thus thought you to believe it as a child. This is true for pretty much any religion.
People often say that religion is a choice but it sure as hell isn't an easy one. It usually takes years for people to transition away from the religion their parents taught them.

I was raised as an Evangelical Christian and it only took me 25 years to leave!  I tell my wife some of the **** that I was taught while growing up (she was raised non-practicing Catholic) and it blows her mind.

[Photekq]

race is kind of a social construct

[Lord of Narwhals]

race is kind of a social construct

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How about a constructive argument for why it's not instead of a simple reaction gif?

[Photekq]

How about a constructive argument for why it's not instead of a simple reaction gif?

I shouldn't have posted the gif at all. I should stay out of this subject entirely. It's better than wasting my time trying to convince people who have no common sense. Really, if you buy into such rubbish you've either only ever encountered one race of people in your life or you're incapable of perception.

More importantly, whenever I get into this subject it only ever brings me trouble.

[tp4tissue]

race is kind of a social construct

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How about a constructive argument for why it's not instead of a simple reaction gif?

Discussion wouldn't be productive.. 

What constitutes race,  the perception of racial differences, the reality of racial differences, the geographical separation of race..

All of those things are arbitrary lines drawn for the sake of categorical comprehension..



So, anything of thought and mind are fundamentally social constructs and only approximate the infinite diversity of a flowing timeline..



So, more concretely,  Race,  is a construct with respect to knowing what it is, but it is along with all other neural arrangements an inconsequential approximation of reality..

[dante]

I'm really at odds with religion.  I was baptized Catholic and only showed up to church on Holidays/etc.  These days I primarily resonate with Zen Buddhism - even though I don't meditate - which is pretty much a requirement - that's as close to religion as I get.

On the other hand I've seen a lot of Churches feed and clothe the homeless so ... while I don't believe in religion per say I do witness good work taking place.

As far as Brexit is concerned it seems people are more interested in their stock portfolios then what the citizens want.  And as an American writing this - everyone in the UK should give a middle finger to any US President telling them what they should be doing in their own country.

[batfink]

There has been a lot of talk of well-educated people voting to remain in, and the less educated voting to leave.

I say this analysis is flawed.

The flaw due is the simplistic way of looking at the proportion of the population that has received higher education. These days, about 40 or 45% of youngsters go to university. If you go back a couple of generations, that figure was around 10%. We know the Leave vote was heavily skewed by older people, but of course a much smaller percentage of older people have degrees compared to younger people.  It doesn't mean that older people are on average more stupid - simply that there were fewer higher education opportunities when they were growing up.

I suspect the correlation between actual intelligence and leave/remain is pretty small if it exists at all.

(One data point: I have a degree in physics but voted Leave)

[Waateva]

I'm really at odds with religion.  I was baptized Catholic and only showed up to church on Holidays/etc.  These days I primarily resonate with Zen Buddhism - even though I don't meditate - which is pretty much a requirement - that's as close to religion as I get.

On the other hand I've seen a lot of Churches feed and clothe the homeless so ... while I don't believe in religion per say I do witness good work taking place.

As far as Brexit is concerned it seems people are more interested in their stock portfolios then what the citizens want.  And as an American writing this - everyone in the UK should give a middle finger to any US President telling them what they should be doing in their own country.

I have mixed feelings as well about religion, because I do personally see a lot of good come from it locally (food banks, outreaches, etc.) but at the same time, I see it heavily distort tons of people's views on things as well.  For instance, my sister and brother-in-law are not vaccinating their kids and the main reason is that they got all of this information from their church friends about it and how they should be going all-natural and homeopathic instead, because that is how God created things and he wouldn't create things that need improvement, which BTW is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard from religious people.

I really could care less what religion people want to practice, be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Wicca, or anything else, I just have a problem when it starts to interfere in the rights of others.  I also see, mainly among Christianity and Islam, a HUGE push to convert others and to try and get them to see the "light", often times almost in a militaristic way and that pisses me off to no end.  I don't pester anyone about my own non-belief and I believe religions should respect that and do the same.

[tp4tissue]

There has been a lot of talk of well-educated people voting to remain in, and the less educated voting to leave.

I say this analysis is flawed.

The flaw due is the simplistic way of looking at the proportion of the population that has received higher education. These days, about 40 or 45% of youngsters go to university. If you go back a couple of generations, that figure was around 10%. We know the Leave vote was heavily skewed by older people, but of course a much smaller percentage of older people have degrees compared to younger people.  It doesn't mean that older people are on average more stupid - simply that there were fewer higher education opportunities when they were growing up.

I suspect the correlation between actual intelligence and leave/remain is pretty small if it exists at all.

(One data point: I have a degree in physics but voted Leave)

Here's a theory..  ALL people who vote.. are stupid, because they fail to realize how inconsequential voting is..

[dante]

At the end of the day I think we can all agree that we need an Alien Invasion ala Independence Day or Skynet for all of us to put our differences aside.

[Fire Brand]

This thread gave me cholera, with the actual amount of **** some of you say.

voted remain


but to everyone outside the UK commenting,

No one cares what you think, you cocks.

-someone sick of hearing how we are now racist from people sad about losing capital and investment money in the UK

[Lord of Narwhals]

How about a constructive argument for why it's not instead of a simple reaction gif?

I shouldn't have posted the gif at all. I should stay out of this subject entirely. It's better than wasting my time trying to convince people who have no common sense. Really, if you buy into such rubbish you've either only ever encountered one race of people in your life or you're incapable of perception.

Then don't argue, but at least educate yourself by reading some articles on the subject instead of just shrugging it off as nonsense.

And there's a certain irony in a UKIP supporter claiming that I lack common sense.

[demik]

This thread gave me cholera, with the actual amount of **** some of you say.

voted remain


but to everyone outside the UK commenting,

No one cares what you think, you cocks.

-someone sick of hearing how we are now racist from people sad about losing capital and investment money in the UK

This that **** we deal with as Americans. Everybody always has an opinion.

Like we don't know we got some ****ed up people here. Or that most of our government is full of money hungry idiots.

[Photekq]

educate yourself by reading some articles on the subject

Oh, I've looked. I wouldn't call something rubbish without looking into it first. The more I look into it the stronger my opinion of it becomes.

[Waateva]

This thread gave me cholera, with the actual amount of **** some of you say.

voted remain


but to everyone outside the UK commenting,

No one cares what you think, you cocks.

-someone sick of hearing how we are now racist from people sad about losing capital and investment money in the UK

This that **** we deal with as Americans. Everybody always has an opinion.

Like we don't know we got some ****ed up people here. Or that most of our government is full of money hungry idiots.

I learned awhile ago that people can blast America as much as they want, but if you blast their country they get really pissy about it and tell you to screw off.  America certainly has some really stupid people, some really fat people, and really ****ty people, but that's not all 350 million of us guys.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

How about a constructive argument for why it's not instead of a simple reaction gif?

I shouldn't have posted the gif at all. I should stay out of this subject entirely. It's better than wasting my time trying to convince people who have no common sense. Really, if you buy into such rubbish you've either only ever encountered one race of people in your life or you're incapable of perception.

Then don't argue, but at least educate yourself by reading some articles on the subject instead of just shrugging it off as nonsense.

And there's a certain irony in a UKIP supporter claiming that I lack common sense.

Being i also do not feel the desire to enter into a long debate with the entire social construct nonsense of the MTV generation i shall instead just leave this here since THAC already ripped this apart when the idiots over at MTV unplugged tried to play this card. (Though when has MTV been anything but a breeding ground of idiots..Should have stuck to music videos)

He more or less speaks my mind on the matter without myself having to type volumes about it.

I won't sit here and insult you however for having a different viewpoint as myself.   

[Lord of Narwhals]

-someone sick of hearing how we are now racist from people sad about losing capital and investment money in the UK

I don't think anyone honestly believes that all leave supporters are racists.
But racism and xenophobia is becoming more and more common in the UK just like it is in the rest of Europe. Here in Sweden a xenophobic right wing populist party received 12.9% of the votes in the last election.

Being i also do not feel the desire to enter into a long debate with the entire social construct nonsense of the MTV generation i shall instead just leave this here since THAC already ripped this apart when the idiots over at MTV unplugged tried to play this card. (Though when has MTV been anything but a breeding ground of idiots..Should have stuck to music videos)

He more or less speaks my mind on the matter without myself having to type volumes about it.

I won't sit here and insult you however for having a different viewpoint as myself.

Oh hey, another sexist white dude who likes to sound condescending while rambling on youtube. There sure aren't enough of those in the world.

His main point that race is purely biological is far from true.

Keep in mind that just because someone makes entertaining videos doesn't mean they know their ****.

[Fire Brand]

This thread gave me cholera, with the actual amount of **** some of you say.

voted remain


but to everyone outside the UK commenting,

No one cares what you think, you cocks.

-someone sick of hearing how we are now racist from people sad about losing capital and investment money in the UK

This that **** we deal with as Americans. Everybody always has an opinion.

Like we don't know we got some ****ed up people here. Or that most of our government is full of money hungry idiots.

You can always have an opinion in my eyes demik.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

-someone sick of hearing how we are now racist from people sad about losing capital and investment money in the UK

I don't think anyone honestly believes that all leave supporters are racists.
But racism and xenophobia is becoming more and more common in the UK just like it is in the rest of Europe. Here in Sweden a xenophobic right wing populist party received 12.9% of the votes in the last election.

Being i also do not feel the desire to enter into a long debate with the entire social construct nonsense of the MTV generation i shall instead just leave this here since THAC already ripped this apart when the idiots over at MTV unplugged tried to play this card. (Though when has MTV been anything but a breeding ground of idiots..Should have stuck to music videos)

He more or less speaks my mind on the matter without myself having to type volumes about it.

I won't sit here and insult you however for having a different viewpoint as myself.

Oh hey, another sexist white dude who likes to sound condescending while rambling on youtube. There sure aren't enough of those in the world.

His main point that race is purely biological is far from true.

Keep in mind that just because someone makes entertaining videos doesn't mean they know their ****.

By all means then debate him on his video as he has large periods of time to type out and or make video responses to each point,  i however do not.  I would however love to see you both make point/counterpoints to one another.

I expect next to see the idea of sexes is also a construct and biology is also false and the idea of male and female genitalia is a myth.

[Air tree]

*Sigh*

I don't think anybody believes that sexes aren't real, people do share distinction between gender and sex.


Nobody is saying biology is false and that a vagina and penis do not exist. That's just playing stupid.


"gen·der
ˈ
noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
"traditional concepts of gender"
synonyms:   sex
"variables included age, income, and gender"

There is a reason as to why it's called  gender dysphoria and not sex dysphoria

[Fire Brand]

Air tree please lock this thread as we are now opening a hole different can of worms

We have seen some nice opinion and some crap ones and we reached the end of the line, do us a favour and close this please thanks buddie.

[demik]

This thread gave me cholera, with the actual amount of **** some of you say.

voted remain


but to everyone outside the UK commenting,

No one cares what you think, you cocks.

-someone sick of hearing how we are now racist from people sad about losing capital and investment money in the UK

This that **** we deal with as Americans. Everybody always has an opinion.

Like we don't know we got some ****ed up people here. Or that most of our government is full of money hungry idiots.

You can always have an opinion in my eyes demik.

:*

[Air tree]

Seems fair enough. PMs can be had if anyone wants to continue, but this will just turn into further squabbling, you're right firebrand.


Locked.