Click Clack Conspiracy Part 2

[tp4tissue]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

[ekw808]

True, the treatment you need is MUCH more expensive.

[tp4tissue]

TP: If you havent noticed, clickclack sells his things cheap(even though he could sell them for 200 dollar and he would get all keycaps sold eventually), I bet its not even worth it with the time he spends making the keycaps for the little money he is getting. Its the people thats driving up the prices, since clickclack is only 1 man (plus 1000 invisible gnomes LoL) he cant make keycaps for all of us and that makes people go crazy since everyone wants a piece of his legacy.


over n out

No see.. he's the guy selling you the clack,, THEN he's ALSO the guy auctioning on ebay..

And I have a feeling he's also in control of a few other acounts on this site, which auctions off his so called "Extra caps"

but the whole time, there were MANY extras... to be spread over months..


My main point is a few of the "alleged" $200 sales are made up and didn't really take place.



It's like you try to create a new clothing, but how could you convince someone that it's $200... by putting on a show where you complete a successful sale to a non existent person, clickclack himself...


The scam here is... click clack.. auctions his clacks to another account he's created.. then when THAT guy sells it, it'll look like a rare cap is making it's way through the market... BUT that's not the case... you're buying it from click clack @ $250 


At least this is how I would do it... if I ran out of pocket money.

[noisyturtle]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

DangWang sold one recently for $500. Not even a set, just a single Clack. I have heard tale of one going for $900 under specific circumstances.

[tp4tissue]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

DangWang sold one recently for $500. Not even a set, just a single Clack. I have heard tale of one going for $900 under specific circumstances.

noisy, there's no proof that any of these sales ACTUALLY happened...   

It's like you run an art gallery... and I've worked with many of these... they have show nights like I've described, where people PRETEND to buy paintings.. to make it look like there's a market.

you know how they hire people to stand in line during product releases?  same gig..

[Michael]

When I need to check my own sanity, I just read tp4 threads, and know that everything is going to be ok.

[eth0s]

...A retard makes a mistake because he's handicapped...
The rest of the clack-buyers make mistakes because they're stupid...

So what's your excuse then?

I find the fact that ClickClack can sell his POS plastic for more than a quarter AMAZING....

Boy, you sure know how to swing those compliments.
Maybe I can help you out.

- Are they a POS for being made by an artist?
- Are they a POS for being promoted by a community, who helped get them off the ground?
- Are they a POS for being made by equipment that I designed and fabricated?
- Are they a POS for being made in molds I personally tooled?
- Are they a POS for  the 1000's of hours I have spent making them?
- Are they a POS for the all the skill that went in to designing and making them?
- Are they a POS for being offered to a community?
- Are they a POS for being high quality?
- Are they a POS because I have high standards?
- Are they a POS because I tried to innovate?
- Are they a POS because I want them to represent some of my best efforts?
- Are they a POS because the designs are being copied?
Or
- Are they a POS because you love saying anything for attention?

Hey CC -

Yeah, I don't think tp4tissue has ever actually tried to do anything interesting or challenging in his entire life.  That's why he has no idea how much work goes into one of your keycaps.  (Also he's never seen one for himself AFAIK, so he has no idea what they look and feel like.)   In the end, I think tp4tissue's attitude really comes down to "sour grapes", just like that fox in Aesop's fable.   Oh and I have to thank you for the GC sale, even though I missed out on getting any Clacks, because you finally got my wife interested in my keyboard hobby!  She started following the rarar drama, and now she's hooked.  And now she wants to get a Topre Mr. Friday!  heh, who doesn't?  (Oh, and she applauded your decision to take the Mr. Friday back, btw.)   Anyway, keep up the good work, and I'll try again to snag something from your next sale.  As for tp4tissue, well, he's a mixed-up troll who craves the negative attention he gets.

[inlikeflynn]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

DangWang sold one recently for $500. Not even a set, just a single Clack. I have heard tale of one going for $900 under specific circumstances.

that was a typo when $500 was listed. Dan has changed it

[brialona]

interesting thread.  nothing against cc or the community but to you cc owners, what is the justification in buying a plastic keycap for $100?  is it that the people actually value their own cc to be $100 or is it because the "market price" is $100?

again no disrespect or anything just curious

[sth]

interesting thread.  nothing against cc or the community but to you cc owners, what is the justification in buying a plastic keycap for $100?  is it that the people actually value their own cc to be $100 or is it because the "market price" is $100?

again no disrespect or anything just curious

because people with deep pockets think that their desires are more important than fair prices for everybody

[brialona]

another way to look at it is, if there were no cc hype, would people still be paying 100+?

[sth]

another way to look at it is, if there were no cc hype, would people still be paying 100+?

no, at least they didn't a couple of years ago

[Michael]

another way to look at it is, if there were no cc hype, would people still be paying 100+?

I am not sure how many times it has been explained, but here it goes again:


People will pay what they want for things they want. It has nothing to do with 'market value'. The market value is only a bi-product of the desire for hard-to-come-by items. If something is desired, but near impossible to get, somebody will pay whatever is needed to acquire that item. Do you remember collecting baseball cards? Coins? POG's? Toys that stayed in the original packaging? Etc.... etc.


If someone wants something bad enough, they will pay what is required. So if there are items running around that have seen low production numbers, and are rarely seen, those are sough-after items and can catch a good amount of money.

[tp4tissue]

another way to look at it is, if there were no cc hype, would people still be paying 100+?

I am not sure how many times it has been explained, but here it goes again:


People will pay what they want for things they want. It has nothing to do with 'market value'. The market value is only a bi-product of the desire for hard-to-come-by items. If something is desired, but near impossible to get, somebody will pay whatever is needed to acquire that item. Do you remember collecting baseball cards? Coins? POG's? Toys that stayed in the original packaging? Etc.... etc.


If someone wants something bad enough, they will pay what is required. So if there are items running around that have seen low production numbers, and are rarely seen, those are sough-after items and can catch a good amount of money.

No one's arguing "against" this..


I am only saying that Clickclacks are a terrible investment..

For someone who Genuinely just wants the itty-bitty piece of plastic.. sure pay whatever ..


For anyone who's "investing" in clacks,, THIS IS A TRAP....

[Michael]

No one's arguing "against" this..


I am only saying that Clickclacks are a terrible investment..

For someone who Genuinely just wants the itty-bitty piece of plastic.. sure pay whatever ..


For anyone who's "investing" in clacks,, THIS IS A TRAP....

I don't really get your conspiracy theories. It's as simple as supply and demand. People like and want a product that sees limited production numbers. That automatically controls 'market value'.

[brialona]

another way to look at it is, if there were no cc hype, would people still be paying 100+?

I am not sure how many times it has been explained, but here it goes again:


People will pay what they want for things they want. It has nothing to do with 'market value'. The market value is only a bi-product of the desire for hard-to-come-by items. If something is desired, but near impossible to get, somebody will pay whatever is needed to acquire that item. Do you remember collecting baseball cards? Coins? POG's? Toys that stayed in the original packaging? Etc.... etc.


If someone wants something bad enough, they will pay what is required. So if there are items running around that have seen low production numbers, and are rarely seen, those are sough-after items and can catch a good amount of money.

Im not arguing against anything.  I'm just curious if people buy cc for their own sake or if they buy it just because its so hard to get/hype

[tauburn]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

buy a keyboard...

[tp4tissue]

No one's arguing "against" this..


I am only saying that Clickclacks are a terrible investment..

For someone who Genuinely just wants the itty-bitty piece of plastic.. sure pay whatever ..


For anyone who's "investing" in clacks,, THIS IS A TRAP....

I don't really get your conspiracy theories. It's as simple as supply and demand. People like and want a product that sees limited production numbers. That automatically controls 'market value'.

my claim, is that cc is generating artificial demand...

[tp4tissue]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

buy a keyboard...

I can do that anytime

[tauburn]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

buy a keyboard...

I can do that anytime

then buy me one

[funkymeeba]

then buy me one

So you can flip it for pure profit? What a deal!

[tp4tissue]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

buy a keyboard...

I can do that anytime

then buy me one

First set the large batch of keyboards you own now on fire... then I'll buy you one..

[Leslieann]

what click clack DID DO, ingeniously is "created" a price tag for something that's otherwise worthless.

Everything is worthless.
It's only worth something because we place a value on it.
A glass of water to you is worth nothing, but to a person dying of thirst, it could be worth everything he has.

my claim, is that cc is generating artificial demand...

Even if they are creating artificial demand, they aren't the ones capitalizing on it. It;s the same as the red esc keys, it's worth what someone will pay.

[tp4tissue]

what click clack DID DO, ingeniously is "created" a price tag for something that's otherwise worthless.

Everything is worthless.
It's only worth something because we place a value on it.
A glass of water to you is worth nothing, but to a person dying of thirst, it could be worth everything he has.

my claim, is that cc is generating artificial demand...

Even if they are creating artificial demand, they aren't the ones capitalizing on it. It;s the same as the red esc keys, it's worth what someone will pay.

I don't know why you guys keep pushing basic economics on me... I know how that works..

I'm merely alluding to the fact that there may be a PLOY here.. and some people are getting suckered like with the $250 red esc

[esoomenona]

I'm putting my CCs in a safe for when the zombie apocalypse hits. Then I can use them to barter for massive amounts of weapons and food. It's the perfect plan. Better than gold.

[tauburn]

tp you're an idiot if you're calling out something that you should be exploiting

There's too little money in clacks for me to exploit..

how much are people making.. $200?  woooo. $200 wtf am I going to do with $200

buy a keyboard...

I can do that anytime

then buy me one

First set the large batch of keyboards you own now on fire... then I'll buy you one..

i only have 1

[brialona]

another way to look at it is, if there were no cc hype, would people still be paying 100+?

no, at least they didn't a couple of years ago

when and how did this fad start?

[sth]

People will pay what they want for things they want. It has nothing to do with 'market value'. The market value is only a bi-product of the desire for hard-to-come-by items.

i'm really not sure how you can separate the two. the 'market value' is directly affected by the desire to get hard-to-come-by items when somebody pays more than retail for the item on a second-hand market -- not least importantly being that geekhack is arguably the biggest second-hand market for these goods in the Americas and much of the rest of the english-speaking world.

[Michael]

The market value is only a bi-product of the desire for hard-to-come-by items.

i'm really not sure how you can separate the two.

[sth]

The market value is only a bi-product of the desire for hard-to-come-by items.

i'm really not sure how you can separate the two.

the way you explained it, you're treating that byproduct as somehow less significant than other factors of the market, and i think it's a lot more important.
you know when i'm trolling and when i'm not, let's not be glib

[guilleguillaume]

I don't actually remember how was the transition from that situation where Click Clack keys remained in stock for months to just now where people are making a lot of profit by reselling the keys and hoarding them and it seems everyone have to own them.

I guess at some point some people started to sell them overpriced for profit when they went out of stock after being there for months. I guess that's how everything started but I can't remember that.

[brialona]

I don't actually remember how was the transition from that situation where Click Clack keys remained in stock for months to just now where people are making a lot of profit by reselling the keys and hoarding them and it seems everyone have to own them.

I guess at some point some people started to sell them overpriced for profit when they went out of stock after being there for months. I guess that's how everything started but I can't remember that.

hopefully after the inception of this thread, cc's will go down in price

[tp4tissue]

I don't actually remember how was the transition from that situation where Click Clack keys remained in stock for months to just now where people are making a lot of profit by reselling the keys and hoarding them and it seems everyone have to own them.

I guess at some point some people started to sell them overpriced for profit when they went out of stock after being there for months. I guess that's how everything started but I can't remember that.

That there is the conspiracy... they never sold out of stock... they were never all that popular, and yes they're STILL quite ugly...


What clack did do "clever guy" is go from selling crappy plastic to selling "RARE" crappy plastic..  Then, by creating a few LARGELY staged transactions established the current fascade..

[esoomenona]

This thread is only three pages long and it's already old.

[tjcaustin]

I don't actually remember how was the transition from that situation where Click Clack keys remained in stock for months to just now where people are making a lot of profit by reselling the keys and hoarding them and it seems everyone have to own them.

I guess at some point some people started to sell them overpriced for profit when they went out of stock after being there for months. I guess that's how everything started but I can't remember that.

hopefully after the inception of this thread, cc's will go down in price

What's that phrase "want in one hand, spit in the other, see which one fills up first"?

A troll thread is going to have about as much effect on CC secondhand prices as I would telling China to stop being communistic.

[MKULTRA]

I don't actually remember how was the transition from that situation where Click Clack keys remained in stock for months to just now where people are making a lot of profit by reselling the keys and hoarding them and it seems everyone have to own them.

I guess at some point some people started to sell them overpriced for profit when they went out of stock after being there for months. I guess that's how everything started but I can't remember that.

That there is the conspiracy... they never sold out of stock... they were never all that popular, and yes they're STILL quite ugly...


What clack did do "clever guy" is go from selling crappy plastic to selling "RARE" crappy plastic..  Then, by creating a few LARGELY staged transactions established the current fascade..

Just because you think they're ugly, doesn't mean everybody does.

[ClackFactory]

I am genuinely ANGRY at anyone profiteering from clacks, BECAUSE the highest bidder, the guy that pays the $250 is mentally handicapped, and you guys are taking advantage of him...

LoL, I just caught this beauty ^
TP4TISSUE!  CHAMPION OF THE HANDICAPPED!
Hmmm… that didn’t come out quite right.

Everyone deep down knew those Red Cherry Esc keys were not worth $250... then BOOM... they were right....
I posted this thread because it would seem that some people are being manipulated into buying these clacks based on their future value...
Since people in the keyboard hobby do not have much disposable income to begin with.. I just really don't want to see people get shafted by hype...

TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "SOME PEOPLE".
Hmm...
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE “DISPOSABLE INCOMLESS”.
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "HYPE-SENSITIVE".
Hmmm... that almost sounds like another word...

For someone who is against "hype" you are brilliant at it.
Keep posting, you're making me look great by comparison! Will all those who resell my keys for profit please post a "Thank You tp4tissue”?

Since you truly have so little to say , but, SO MUCH TIME to say it in, perhaps you would be better suited to helping people who actually ask for help. Or god forbid, need it. Looking at the time you spend on here, perhaps an EMT with double shifts would be a good start.

Unless of course you find this kind of uninspired banter to be “just the thing” needed to give feeling (was it feeling, or value?) back to your life. We all get a bit depressed, but if focusing on things related to me help you out. Then, well… you are most welcome. Glad I could help.

Wanna keycap?
For you, a discount, $200.

Fine print-
Shipping not included (sorry, but I need to make a profit)

[Halverson]

Oh CC, you make me laugh.

aweee yeeeee

[Michael]

ROFL. CC layeth the smack down...

[noisyturtle]

Will all those who resell my keys for profit please post a "Thank You tp4tissue”?

He's finally contributing!

[Larken]

ouch. that's some fine troll-slaying up there.

[tp4tissue]

I am genuinely ANGRY at anyone profiteering from clacks, BECAUSE the highest bidder, the guy that pays the $250 is mentally handicapped, and you guys are taking advantage of him...

LoL, I just caught this beauty ^
TP4TISSUE!  CHAMPION OF THE HANDICAPPED!
Hmmm… that didn’t come out quite right.

Everyone deep down knew those Red Cherry Esc keys were not worth $250... then BOOM... they were right....
I posted this thread because it would seem that some people are being manipulated into buying these clacks based on their future value...
Since people in the keyboard hobby do not have much disposable income to begin with.. I just really don't want to see people get shafted by hype...

TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "SOME PEOPLE".
Hmm...
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE “DISPOSABLE INCOMLESS”.
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "HYPE-SENSITIVE".
Hmmm... that almost sounds like another word...

For someone who is against "hype" you are brilliant at it.
Keep posting, you're making me look great by comparison! Will all those who resell my keys for profit please post a "Thank You tp4tissue”?

Since you truly have so little to say , but, SO MUCH TIME to say it in, perhaps you would be better suited to helping people who actually ask for help. Or god forbid, need it. Looking at the time you spend on here, perhaps an EMT with double shifts would be a good start.

Unless of course you find this kind of uninspired banter to be “just the thing” needed to give feeling (was it feeling, or value?) back to your life. We all get a bit depressed, but if focusing on things related to me help you out. Then, well… you are most welcome. Glad I could help.

Wanna keycap?
For you, a discount, $200.

Fine print-
Shipping not included (sorry, but I need to make a profit)

I have no idea why you're mad...

people are buying your plastic junk, and you're making some idiots pay upwards of $200

and as for your generosity to offer me a clack, no thanks.. i think they're ugly.. but you know, not that you're ugly.. your work is. that doesn't make you a bad person, don't take it that way.

[sth]

this is sooooooooooo booooooooooooooring

[MKULTRA]

I am genuinely ANGRY at anyone profiteering from clacks, BECAUSE the highest bidder, the guy that pays the $250 is mentally handicapped, and you guys are taking advantage of him...

LoL, I just caught this beauty ^
TP4TISSUE!  CHAMPION OF THE HANDICAPPED!
Hmmm… that didn’t come out quite right.

Everyone deep down knew those Red Cherry Esc keys were not worth $250... then BOOM... they were right....
I posted this thread because it would seem that some people are being manipulated into buying these clacks based on their future value...
Since people in the keyboard hobby do not have much disposable income to begin with.. I just really don't want to see people get shafted by hype...

TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "SOME PEOPLE".
Hmm...
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE “DISPOSABLE INCOMLESS”.
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "HYPE-SENSITIVE".
Hmmm... that almost sounds like another word...

For someone who is against "hype" you are brilliant at it.
Keep posting, you're making me look great by comparison! Will all those who resell my keys for profit please post a "Thank You tp4tissue”?

Since you truly have so little to say , but, SO MUCH TIME to say it in, perhaps you would be better suited to helping people who actually ask for help. Or god forbid, need it. Looking at the time you spend on here, perhaps an EMT with double shifts would be a good start.

Unless of course you find this kind of uninspired banter to be “just the thing” needed to give feeling (was it feeling, or value?) back to your life. We all get a bit depressed, but if focusing on things related to me help you out. Then, well… you are most welcome. Glad I could help.

Wanna keycap?
For you, a discount, $200.

Fine print-
Shipping not included (sorry, but I need to make a profit)

I have no idea why you're mad...

people are buying your plastic junk, and you're making some idiots pay upwards of $200

and as for your generosity to offer me a clack, no thanks.. i think they're ugly.. but you know, not that you're ugly.. your work is. that doesn't make you a bad person, don't take it that way.

CC doesn't MAKE anyone buy anything for any price besides what he lists it for.

[tp4tissue]

this is sooooooooooo booooooooooooooring

and yet you're bored enough to partake.. fk off if you have something "better" to do..

kiddie hippocrits..

and you still haven't answered my question from another thread, are you an african american person?

[tp4tissue]

I am genuinely ANGRY at anyone profiteering from clacks, BECAUSE the highest bidder, the guy that pays the $250 is mentally handicapped, and you guys are taking advantage of him...

LoL, I just caught this beauty ^
TP4TISSUE!  CHAMPION OF THE HANDICAPPED!
Hmmm… that didn’t come out quite right.

Everyone deep down knew those Red Cherry Esc keys were not worth $250... then BOOM... they were right....
I posted this thread because it would seem that some people are being manipulated into buying these clacks based on their future value...
Since people in the keyboard hobby do not have much disposable income to begin with.. I just really don't want to see people get shafted by hype...

TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "SOME PEOPLE".
Hmm...
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE “DISPOSABLE INCOMLESS”.
TP4TISSUE, THE CHAMPION OF THE "HYPE-SENSITIVE".
Hmmm... that almost sounds like another word...

For someone who is against "hype" you are brilliant at it.
Keep posting, you're making me look great by comparison! Will all those who resell my keys for profit please post a "Thank You tp4tissue”?

Since you truly have so little to say , but, SO MUCH TIME to say it in, perhaps you would be better suited to helping people who actually ask for help. Or god forbid, need it. Looking at the time you spend on here, perhaps an EMT with double shifts would be a good start.

Unless of course you find this kind of uninspired banter to be “just the thing” needed to give feeling (was it feeling, or value?) back to your life. We all get a bit depressed, but if focusing on things related to me help you out. Then, well… you are most welcome. Glad I could help.

Wanna keycap?
For you, a discount, $200.

Fine print-
Shipping not included (sorry, but I need to make a profit)

I have no idea why you're mad...

people are buying your plastic junk, and you're making some idiots pay upwards of $200

and as for your generosity to offer me a clack, no thanks.. i think they're ugly.. but you know, not that you're ugly.. your work is. that doesn't make you a bad person, don't take it that way.

CC doesn't MAKE anyone buy anything for any price besides what he lists it for.

I never said he did..

[tauburn]

this is sooooooooooo booooooooooooooring

and yet you're bored enough to partake.. fk off if you have something "better" to do..

kiddie hippocrits..

and you still haven't answered my question from another thread, are you an african american person?

this is getting good now

[MKULTRA]

people are buying your plastic junk, and you're making some idiots pay upwards of $200

Is that clear enough for you?

[noisyturtle]

I have a slightly off-topic question, if that's at all possible at this point. If offered, does anyone think Ripster would ever return to GH? Has such an offer ever been extended. When I joined, he gave me a ton of extremely knowledgeable answers to queries and was really one of the key bindings that held GH together for a time. Watching him self destruct like that was difficult to watch, but he really did bring it upon himself. Has enough time passed to heal wounds on both sides, or has that come and gone? Was he ever actually proven to have been to cause of r00twyrm?

[tp4tissue]

people are buying your plastic junk, and you're making some idiots pay upwards of $200

Is that clear enough for you?

don't lawyer this..

you've highlighted when i used "making" as "passive action" as in "creating the situation for"


when you posted clack didn't "make"   you meant an ACTIVELY forcing people to buy..

They are different.

I agree that english would be better if it were more precise, but we must make due.