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Soy Sauce..
« on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 06:00:37 »
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 07:07:07 »
Possibly the best sauce in existence. After eating sushi, I tend up end up slowly spooning up and eating the rest. It is absolutely delicious. It's very healthy, as I recall (lots of antioxidants).
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 08:40:26 »
There is a wide variety of soy sauces. In grocery stores where I live there are generally only two "types" printed on the labels though: "Japanese" and "Chinese", but that doesn't explain much.
In cooking shows from the UK, I've seen mention of "light" and "dark" soy sauce, which apparently matches the varieties in their grocery stores, but we don't have those here.

The last one I got labelled "Chinese" doesn't taste well IMHO and I can't pair it with much food.

The salt content can't be good. But there's Japanese "Tamari" which supposedly has less salt.
I believe the sauce we get in small cups at sushi places sometimes is sweetened with sugar.
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 09:11:51 »
I prefer Japanese style (shoyu) and generally buy low-sodium (which still has plenty of salt in it).

My son developed celiac disease a decade ago so we switched over to tamari and I have been buying that ever since. In the US the most available brand is San-J and that is what I have gotten used to.
 
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 09:13:10 »
I prefer Japanese style (shoyu) and generally buy low-sodium (which still has plenty of salt in it).

My son developed celiac disease a decade ago so we switched over to tamari and I have been buying that ever since. In the US the most available brand is San-J and that is what I have gotten used to.
 

Low_sodium is suspicious, kikkomen says they take the salt out AFTER it finishes its normal fermentation cycle at full salt.

How is this done ?
 


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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 10:38:08 »
Regular soy sauce seems like sewage drainage after trying sweet soy sauce!

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 10:56:12 »
Regular soy sauce seems like sewage drainage after trying sweet soy sauce!


Ingredients
SOY SAUCE (WATER, SOYBEANS, SALT, SUGAR), SUGAR, SALTED SAKE (WATER, RICE, SALT), RICE SYRUP, WATER, SALT.


You can make that pretty easily.

According to the label, they just added 15.5g of sugar per 30ml (in the form of rice syrup), which accounts for most of the change, the rest is probably a spoonful of sake.

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 14:55:24 »
Ok I need to add Sweet Soy to my pantry, love Soy Sauce but I do tend to lean towards the lower sodium as it carries a better flavor of the sauce vs the heavy salt in most I have tried (even though I do love it as well).

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 15:54:18 »
Ok I need to add Sweet Soy to my pantry, love Soy Sauce but I do tend to lean towards the lower sodium as it carries a better flavor of the sauce vs the heavy salt in most I have tried (even though I do love it as well).


Take soy sauce, put sugar in it 15g per 30ml, microwave, add a spoonful of sake or any wine that's not bitter, and you've got it.

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 17:18:45 »
I was going to ask which type of wine, but sourcing sake would be easier lol. 

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 18:21:25 »
I prefer Japanese style (shoyu) and generally buy low-sodium (which still has plenty of salt in it).

My son developed celiac disease a decade ago so we switched over to tamari and I have been buying that ever since. In the US the most available brand is San-J and that is what I have gotten used to.
 

Low_sodium is suspicious, kikkomen says they take the salt out AFTER it finishes its normal fermentation cycle at full salt.

How is this done ?
 

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 18:45:32 »

SOY SAUCE (WATER, SOYBEANS, SALT, SUGAR), SUGAR, SALTED SAKE (WATER, RICE, SALT), RICE SYRUP, WATER, SALT


Isn't this getting very close to Teriyaki sauce?

When I make Teriyaki I use rice wine and/or rice wine vinegar, plus garlic and ginger (which I strain out after a while). And I cut down on the sweetener quite a bit.

For the first time, the United States has been demoted to the status of "backsliding" democracy by a major global watchdog of such things. The International IDEA think tank made the change in its newest report, citing "declines in civil liberties" and other factors. The United States now joins troubled inching-towards-autocracy nations like Hungary and Poland — which, notably, have recently been celebrated by far-right pundits as potential models of what this nation should become.
We are still a democracy, but the things that make us a democracy are themselves under attack. International IDEA is blunt in pinning the blame where it belongs, calling Donald Trump's attacks on the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election "a historic turning point." The Guardian quotes International IDEA Secretary General Kevin Casas-Zamora as he notes that "the increasing tendency to contest credible election results, the efforts to suppress participation (in elections), and the runaway polarization" are among the "most concerning developments," and that Trump's attempted nullification of the election with false claims of fraud “was soon replicated, in different ways, in places as diverse as Myanmar, Peru and Israel."
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 20:16:52 »
I prefer Japanese style (shoyu) and generally buy low-sodium (which still has plenty of salt in it).

My son developed celiac disease a decade ago so we switched over to tamari and I have been buying that ever since. In the US the most available brand is San-J and that is what I have gotten used to.
 

Low_sodium is suspicious, kikkomen says they take the salt out AFTER it finishes its normal fermentation cycle at full salt.

How is this done ?
 

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Are you sure ?, wouldn't this mess with all the other solids ?

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 20:29:59 »
I prefer Japanese style (shoyu) and generally buy low-sodium (which still has plenty of salt in it).

My son developed celiac disease a decade ago so we switched over to tamari and I have been buying that ever since. In the US the most available brand is San-J and that is what I have gotten used to.
 

Low_sodium is suspicious, kikkomen says they take the salt out AFTER it finishes its normal fermentation cycle at full salt.

How is this done ?
 

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Centrifuge

Are you sure ?, wouldn't this mess with all the other solids ?

I was playing.  It would be a fun experiment, but would possibly ruin the product.

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 20 July 2021, 20:43:41 »
Pagin' Chyros, how kikkoman remove dat salt ?

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 21 July 2021, 03:15:23 »
Pagin' Chyros, how kikkoman remove dat salt ?
Centrifuging would work if soy sauce was a suspension, but I kind of doubt that. If they centrifuged it, I guess the idea is to take off the supernatant and dilute the rest, but that seems like a weird way to do it.

My guess is reverse osmosis, which would be way easier to begin with.
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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 21 July 2021, 05:30:27 »
Centrifuging would work if soy sauce was a suspension, but I kind of doubt that. If they centrifuged it, I guess the idea is to take off the supernatant and dilute the rest, but that seems like a weird way to do it.

My guess is reverse osmosis, which would be way easier to begin with.

So they filter, then reblend the rest ?

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 21 July 2021, 08:43:56 »
Centrifuging would work if soy sauce was a suspension, but I kind of doubt that. If they centrifuged it, I guess the idea is to take off the supernatant and dilute the rest, but that seems like a weird way to do it.

My guess is reverse osmosis, which would be way easier to begin with.

So they filter, then reblend the rest ?

Filter, dilute, homogenise.
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 21 July 2021, 09:25:28 »

My guess is reverse osmosis


But what else would be left behind, besides the salt? Isn't it the bouquet of trace components that create the deliciousness? Those must be larger and more complex molecules than simple little salt.

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We are still a democracy, but the things that make us a democracy are themselves under attack. International IDEA is blunt in pinning the blame where it belongs, calling Donald Trump's attacks on the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election "a historic turning point." The Guardian quotes International IDEA Secretary General Kevin Casas-Zamora as he notes that "the increasing tendency to contest credible election results, the efforts to suppress participation (in elections), and the runaway polarization" are among the "most concerning developments," and that Trump's attempted nullification of the election with false claims of fraud “was soon replicated, in different ways, in places as diverse as Myanmar, Peru and Israel."
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 21 July 2021, 13:24:22 »

My guess is reverse osmosis


But what else would be left behind, besides the salt? Isn't it the bouquet of trace components that create the deliciousness? Those must be larger and more complex molecules than simple little salt.
Exactly, that's the principle by which selective membranes work. So if you use a membrane of an appropriate pore size or affinity, you could push out the salt but not the other compounds.
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For the first time, the United States has been demoted to the status of "backsliding" democracy by a major global watchdog of such things. The International IDEA think tank made the change in its newest report, citing "declines in civil liberties" and other factors. The United States now joins troubled inching-towards-autocracy nations like Hungary and Poland — which, notably, have recently been celebrated by far-right pundits as potential models of what this nation should become.
We are still a democracy, but the things that make us a democracy are themselves under attack. International IDEA is blunt in pinning the blame where it belongs, calling Donald Trump's attacks on the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election "a historic turning point." The Guardian quotes International IDEA Secretary General Kevin Casas-Zamora as he notes that "the increasing tendency to contest credible election results, the efforts to suppress participation (in elections), and the runaway polarization" are among the "most concerning developments," and that Trump's attempted nullification of the election with false claims of fraud “was soon replicated, in different ways, in places as diverse as Myanmar, Peru and Israel."
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 21 July 2021, 14:49:50 »
my new favorite sauce is black sweet soy sauce, the thick fermented kind, bought it by mistake once, now can't live without it, the bottle only says "Black Soy Sauce" and "Healthy Boy Brand" so finding it online might prove a challenge (i have not tried to be fair). although still use salty soy sauce to salt asian inspired foods.
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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 23 July 2021, 15:55:59 »
a friend made me go to a sushi restaurant the other day and try sushi. no way i could've eaten the sushi without the soy sauce.
my vote is on soy sauce = amazing.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 25 July 2021, 17:30:54 »
I love it, add it to anything I cook:)
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 27 July 2021, 13:30:05 »
Soy sauce is delicious. Kroger has a very affordable self-branded barrel made one.

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 27 July 2021, 13:38:33 »
I posted this link last week, but didn't get any comments. Nobody else is even mentioning tamari, but you should give it a taste test, at least.

https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-16095/5-reasons-to-use-tamari-instead-of-soy-sauce.html
For the first time, the United States has been demoted to the status of "backsliding" democracy by a major global watchdog of such things. The International IDEA think tank made the change in its newest report, citing "declines in civil liberties" and other factors. The United States now joins troubled inching-towards-autocracy nations like Hungary and Poland — which, notably, have recently been celebrated by far-right pundits as potential models of what this nation should become.
We are still a democracy, but the things that make us a democracy are themselves under attack. International IDEA is blunt in pinning the blame where it belongs, calling Donald Trump's attacks on the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election "a historic turning point." The Guardian quotes International IDEA Secretary General Kevin Casas-Zamora as he notes that "the increasing tendency to contest credible election results, the efforts to suppress participation (in elections), and the runaway polarization" are among the "most concerning developments," and that Trump's attempted nullification of the election with false claims of fraud “was soon replicated, in different ways, in places as diverse as Myanmar, Peru and Israel."
- The Guardian 2021-11-22

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Re: Soy Sauce..
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 27 July 2021, 14:22:28 »
I posted this link last week, but didn't get any comments. Nobody else is even mentioning tamari, but you should give it a taste test, at least.

https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-16095/5-reasons-to-use-tamari-instead-of-soy-sauce.html

I'll take cheap tamari over cheap soy sauce. Even though they're similar I don't think they're always interchangeable and both have a place and use.

This isn't really a knock against the linked article but I found it interesting that it knocks MSG. Both soy sauce and tamari are known for their savory umami flavor which is due to glutamates. MSG is short for monosodium glutamate, which is one of the most common widely known examples of the umami flavor.