Cherry MX Green vs Cherry MX Blue

[jooks1184]

Has anyone had the chance to compare cherry blues and cherry greens? Thinking about buying a quickfire rapid with greens and wanted to see if anyone had an opinion on them. Thanks and any help is much appreciated.

[Ahlitah]

Greens are much better then Blue's.

Nice and Heavy.

Much like Blues with Black Springs (Ghetto Greens) but feels slightly heavier.

[jooks1184]

Hmm......I think I might give them a try then. Thanks for the quick response.

[Terrorsathan]

Neither is "better'' than the other... when are people going to learn it is all preference.

[Ahlitah]

Give them a try!

You'll love em!

The Clicks on Greens are also slightly more deep.

Really Fun to type on compared to plain ole Blues!

[JPG]

Dont forget that it's also a personnal preference. Blue and Green (clicky) is the same as red and black (linear). Blue and red have a light spring while green and black have a heavy spring. So in the end it's what you prefer, that's why there's so many different switch.

So the greens may be much better for someone, and worse for another compared to blue.

[alaricljs]

Greens are just blues in a different color with a stronger spring.  Since the spring is part of what creates the click, the click is a little stronger too.

[jooks1184]

Now that I think about it, I previously bought a ducky shine with blacks and wasn't a fan of it. Since Greens are going to be heavier than Blacks, think I might  hold off and get a blue switch. I currently use a Cherry brown Leopold and like the feel. Thanks for the response everyone.

[rowdy]

I don't think I've heard of anyone who tried greens and did not like them.

[alaricljs]

*raises hand*

course, I didn't like blues much either.

[Hyde]

*raises hand*

course, I didn't like blues much either.

lol isn't that mx green on your avatar?

[rootwyrm]

I don't think I've heard of anyone who tried greens and did not like them.

People who hate Model M's.
Please let us know when you find them, so that we can enroll them in our re-education camps.

[tp4tissue]

The trouble with Heavy Switches, is that they're only great for when your hands are "warm"...

but when you are tired or very focused on Gaming, your hands get cold, and

the tendons in your hands seize up. This is when lighter switches would be better.

[jooks1184]

Huh. That's very interesting. I've actually noticed my performance in games varied when the temp in my room was warm or cold. BTW, I decided to get a CM Quickfire TK w/ Blues. Thought I'd get a MX Green board later. Also, since there are very few reviews on MX Green switches, I'll make a video review of Mx Greens.

[alaricljs]

lol isn't that mx green on your avatar?

It's pretty and I built it.  But it was never mine.

[rowdy]

*raises hand*

course, I didn't like blues much either.

LOL ok.

Reminds me of that bit in Monty Python where Reg asys something like "There isn't a man here amongst us who wouldn't risk his life for the cause".  A hand tentatively rises at the back of the room and a weedy voice says "Er, perhaps one ...".  Reg replies "Ok, one then, but apart from that, we're solid!"

[tp4tissue]

*raises hand*

course, I didn't like blues much either.

LOL ok.

Reminds me of that bit in Monty Python where Reg asys something like "There isn't a man here amongst us who wouldn't risk his life for the cause".  A hand tentatively rises at the back of the room and a weedy voice says "Er, perhaps one ...".  Reg replies "Ok, one then, but apart from that, we're solid!"

what cause do you speak of.

[jabar]

Dont forget that it's also a personnal preference. Blue and Green (clicky) is the same as red and black (linear).

Red vs. Black provides a very similar typing style. You'll still bottom out easily on Blacks as Reds. Not so much on Greens, whereas Blues bottom out with every keypress.

Maybe this analogy is more accurate:

Red:Dark Grey::Blue:Green

[rknize]

I tried greens and didn't like them.  This is coming from an avid Model M/F fan.  I also find blues annoying, but whites are more tolerable.

[jooks1184]

Just 2 days after coming back to geekhack, I've ordered a quickfire TK (MX Blue) and a Unicomp Classic. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME GEEKHACK???............ty. 

[jooks1184]

Oh, and I also ordered some PBT keycaps from the classifieds.

[tp4tissue]

Oh, and I also ordered some PBT keycaps from the classifieds.

Welcome back to religion

[rowdy]

*raises hand*

course, I didn't like blues much either.

LOL ok.

Reminds me of that bit in Monty Python where Reg asys something like "There isn't a man here amongst us who wouldn't risk his life for the cause".  A hand tentatively rises at the back of the room and a weedy voice says "Er, perhaps one ...".  Reg replies "Ok, one then, but apart from that, we're solid!"

what cause do you speak of.

A bit off topic, so I will keep it short.  In Life of Brian where Brian is trying to join the People's Front of Judea.  I think that was it.

[1391406]

[vivalarevolución]

Okay, I really enjoyed this video.

[tp4tissue]

Okay, I really enjoyed this video.

Senior chang says:!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4

[alaricljs]

what cause do you speak of.

A bit off topic, so I will keep it short.  In Life of Brian where Brian is trying to join the People's Front of Judea.  I think that was it.

That's the Judean Peoples Front.

[rootwyrm]

What people who don't like MX Greens drive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=_bIn_ZgHJaE

[ComradeSniper]

Do any boards come stock with greens? I love the thought of slightly heavier blues, but I'm not sure I trust myself enough to custom install switches or anything of that sort.

[jooks1184]

cooler master has a quickfire rapid with mx greens. on the cm store.

[ComradeSniper]

cooler master has a quickfire rapid with mx greens. on the cm store.

Sweet, I may just have to get that. Been wanting to compare the Filco and CM boards anyway.

[dachef]

I prefer blacks over reds, so I always thought I would like greens over blues.  Does that logic sound right to anyone else?

[VesperSAINT]

I think the different actuation points can also be a huge factor. The blue's actuation point is about a third to half way down while the green's are near the top. For this reason, I feel like the click feels more crisp on the blues than on the greens (which is a bummer), but that's just me. However, I still prefer the greens because of the stiffer springs.

[rknize]

I think the different actuation points can also be a huge factor. The blue's actuation point is about a third to half way down while the green's are near the top. For this reason, I feel like the click feels more crisp on the blues than on the greens (which is a bummer), but that's just me. However, I still prefer the greens because of the stiffer springs.

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case.  The design of the stems appear identical to me.

[VesperSAINT]

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case.  The design of the stems appear identical to me.

Agreed, I knew the stems are identical (thank you, ripster's images) but what I said earlier was because I do feel that the actuation seems to comes faster with my greens, which may purely subjective; because of the stiffer springs in the greens, I tend to feel less key travel before actuation because I'm pressing with more force and less control. While on the blues, because of the lighter springs, I can more easily control how much strength I put into my key press. I guess I should have clarified

For the sake of rough keyboard science, I just got out a ruler and roughly measured the key travel before actuation on both keyboards and I observed that there is about 2mm travel on my blues before actuation, and similarly for the green about 2mm. Can't say for exact but take it for what it is

[tp4tissue]

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case.  The design of the stems appear identical to me.

Agreed, I knew the stems are identical (thank you, rip****) but what I said earlier was because I do feel that the actuation seems to comes faster with my greens, which may purely subjective; because of the stiffer springs in the greens, I tend to feel less key travel before actuation because I'm pressing with more force and less control. While on the blues, because of the lighter springs, I can more easily control how much strength I put into my key press. I guess I should have clarified

For the sake of rough keyboard science, I just got out a ruler and roughly measured the key travel before actuation on both keyboards and I observed that there is about 2mm travel on my blues before actuation, and similarly for the green about 2mm. Can't say for exact but take it for what it is

Is rknize really "ripster"? why is he a mod if he was banned.??

[tp4tissue]

I prefer blacks over reds, so I always thought I would like greens over blues.  Does that logic sound right to anyone else?

NO, this logic doesn't always translate.

Say you like big breasted women....

Do you also like Big Bellied women?

Certainly no...

[VesperSAINT]

Is rknize really "ripster"? why is he a mod if he was banned.??

Oops! No, he's not; I meant to type "ripster's pictures"

NO, this logic doesn't always translate.

Say you like big breasted women....

Do you also like Big Bellied women?

Certainly no...

LOL!

[tauburn]

does anyone game with greens? also are there any keyboard other than the cooler master that comes with greens?

[VesperSAINT]

does anyone game with greens? also are there any keyboard other than the cooler master that comes with greens?

I have gamed with my greens plenty of times because I can't be bothered to take out my reds. I think they are significantly better for gaming than the blues because of the stiffer springs but personally still prefer linear switches for gaming. I currently own a Ducky 9008 G2 Pro Limited Edition with greens but I believe they are currently out of stock.

[tauburn]

does anyone game with greens? also are there any keyboard other than the cooler master that comes with greens?

I have gamed with my greens plenty of times because I can't be bothered to take out my reds. I think they are significantly better for gaming than the blues because of the stiffer springs but personally still prefer linear switches for gaming. I currently own a Ducky 9008 G2 Pro Limited Edition with greens but I believe they are currently out of stock.

hmm. yeah im not sure which switch to get at this point. i want the greens but theres only one keyboard that has them. i dont want to swap out the switches of another keyboard.

[VesperSAINT]

hmm. yeah im not sure which switch to get at this point. i want the greens but theres only one keyboard that has them. i dont want to swap out the switches of another keyboard.

What do you mean by not wanting to "swap out the switches of another keyboard"? I think the MX Green is an overall great switch for gaming and typing, and if anything, they're just really fun. If you don't mind a mildly stiff switch, this will be great for you. I can understand your hesitation though with all this talk about messed up clicky switches and all

[Game Theory]

Why not buy a couple of switches to compare?  http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-mx-taking-pre-orders-t2760.html

Its not the same as a full keyboard but easier to test.

<-still undecided between blues and greens

[tauburn]

hmm. yeah im not sure which switch to get at this point. i want the greens but theres only one keyboard that has them. i dont want to swap out the switches of another keyboard.

What do you mean by not wanting to "swap out the switches of another keyboard"? I think the MX Green is an overall great switch for gaming and typing, and if anything, they're just really fun. If you don't mind a mildly stiff switch, this will be great for you. I can understand your hesitation though with all this talk about messed up clicky switches and all

i meant. say i want a filco with green switches. such a thing doesn't exist so i would remove all the switches and solder in the greens. my problem is that i don't want a CM trigger. which is the only keyboard with greens atm.

[jabar]

i meant. say i want a filco with green switches. such a thing doesn't exist so i would remove all the switches and solder in the greens. my problem is that i don't want a CM trigger. which is the only keyboard with greens atm.

Trigger and the Quick Fire Rapid feature MX Greens, so you're not stuck with the Trigger's extra keys if you don't want them.

http://www.cmstore-usa.com/quickfire-rapid-mechanical-gaming-keyboard-green-switch/

[Dreadwyrm]

I'm torn between blues and greens as well... I always felt that the blues are a bit too light for me, but I don't want to buy a whole set without trying them. The matter is really urgent, I've got to decide before the Massdrop group buy for ErgoDox finishes.

I've got blues and blacks at hand - how close is a ghetto green to a real green?

[IvanIvanovich]

Black springs are lighter and much better than real green in my opinion. Green is truly the clicky grey and have the same springs of about 80cN no the same ones as blacks which are about 60cN. Blues are about 50cN.

[The_Beast]

I tried greens and didn't like them.  This is coming from an avid Model M/F fan.  I also find blues annoying, but whites are more tolerable.

I too like BS boards, but I don't like blues. Seems kinda odd, but I guess BS boards are clicky AND tactile where blues are just clicky with little tactile feedback

[Dreadwyrm]

Black springs are lighter and much better than real green in my opinion. Green is truly the clicky grey and have the same springs of about 80cN no the same ones as blacks which are about 60cN. Blues are about 50cN.

I don't know what to dooooo...  It's so hard to make a decision without actually having the chance to try the product.

[jabar]

I'm torn between blues and greens as well... I always felt that the blues are a bit too light for me, but I don't want to buy a whole set without trying them. The matter is really urgent, I've got to decide before the Massdrop group buy for ErgoDox finishes.

I've got blues and blacks at hand - how close is a ghetto green to a real green?

Well, what do you plan on doing with the keyboard? For gaming, sustaining Greens is a workout for one's fingers. For typing, you will be able to type easily without bottoming out as the force curve gets real tough past actuation. As such, I love greens for typing. I do like gaming with Blues, but the lighter springs of Reds are the best.

[Dreadwyrm]

Well, what do you plan on doing with the keyboard? For gaming, sustaining Greens is a workout for one's fingers. For typing, you will be able to type easily without bottoming out as the force curve gets real tough past actuation. As such, I love greens for typing. I do like gaming with Blues, but the lighter springs of Reds are the best.

I plan to get 2 ergodoxes, one for typing and general use, and one for gaming. The gaming one will host cherry reds for sure, but so far I'm not so sure about the other. I find myself bottoming out the blues in my Das Keyboard too much, maybe the greens would fit me in that sense.

[BucklingSpring]

youtube mx blue vs mx green

OMG you freakin pervert!

That's it - No more hardcore XXX videos for me!
I'm now into switch porn.

[jondkinney]

I'm sitting here with a Cooler Master CM Storm Stealth with Blues and non-stealth with Greens. I put black o-rings on the greens and even with the reduced key travel they're too heavy for my taste. I really really like the blues though (this is my first experience with either). I tried the greens for 3-4 days before getting the blues today and the blues just feel better to me. So like folks said, it's just personal preference.

I did like the greens with o-rings a lot better than without them though! So I'm hoping the blues are even better when I take the time to outfit them

[nuclearsandwich]

After two weeks on an MX Green board after three years on a Das Keyboard with MX Blues, I'm a believer. I love the heavier weight since even as I adjust I find that I'm not bottoming out as often or at all.

I'm still using a board with Blues for gaming right now since I haven't fully adjusted to the weight for the greens and it was causing me trouble.

[rowdy]

Like the difference between reds and blacks.  Or even vintage blacks.

If only there were vintage greens.  I guess there will be in another 20 years or so.

[anowt]

is anyone sure if green and blues differ in the tactile feedback and not only the springs?
In other words, are greens /exactly/ like blues, with a different stem color, and a different spring? It seems like there would be a difference in the tactile bump as well.

Another thought: If the above was the case, could one get 99.9% or 100% of the blue experience by putting Blue springs in a Green?

[Hypersphere]

I have had several Cherry mx boards with blues, then I got a CM QFR Stealth with mx greens. I like greens better than blues, but I find them a bit fatiguing. In general, I would prefer not to use any kind of Cherry mx switch.

To me, the tactile feedback is much better with IBM capacitive buckling springs (Model F) or IBM membrane buckling springs (Model M) or Topre. These switch types also provide a decrease in force at or after the actuation point, which makes them less fatiguing than Cherry mx switches, at least that has been my experience.

Overall, any kind of Cherry mx switch would be at the bottom of my list of preferences. I much prefer IBM buckling springs or Topre switches.

Currently, my favorite boards are IBM XT, RF 87u 55g, and HHKB Pro 2.

But if I had to choose between Just Cherry mx blue or green, I would go with green.

[soleusrex]

I had a a FC660m with greens, but they were too tiring for my fingers even for typing, never mind for gaming. At this point I mostly use Topre for work and blues for Starcraft. I've thought that there might be a happy medium somewhere between blues and greens. (I've looked into 67g springs with blue switches, though I'm still unclear on precisely how that would compare to greens.)

[anowt]

I had a a FC660m with greens, but they were too tiring for my fingers even for typing, never mind for gaming. At this point I mostly use Topre for work and blues for Starcraft. I've thought that there might be a happy medium somewhere between blues and greens. (I've looked into 67g springs with blue switches, though I'm still unclear on precisely how that would compare to greens.)

okay.  well, i know that when talking about springs the weight is the bottom-out force. blues have a bottom-out force near clears' activation point. your example springs' bottom-out force is near the activation force required of mx clears, so they are quite light.

[pichu23]

I've tried blues. It's a bit light. I tend to rest my fingers over a key and it just registers. Greens tho.. I've used it as my caps lock key. It's a bit stiff. But then again it's just one key.
Might be a bit tiring using it for a long time. But I'll give it a go for my next board.

[Oobly]

I have had several Cherry mx boards with blues, then I got a CM QFR Stealth with mx greens. I like greens better than blues, but I find them a bit fatiguing. In general, I would prefer not to use any kind of Cherry mx switch.

To me, the tactile feedback is much better with IBM capacitive buckling springs (Model F) or IBM membrane buckling springs (Model M) or Topre. These switch types also provide a decrease in force at or after the actuation point, which makes them less fatiguing than Cherry mx switches, at least that has been my experience.

Overall, any kind of Cherry mx switch would be at the bottom of my list of preferences. I much prefer IBM buckling springs or Topre switches.

Currently, my favorite boards are IBM XT, RF 87u 55g, and HHKB Pro 2.

But if I had to choose between Just Cherry mx blue or green, I would go with green.

It's interesting to read different people's perspective on this.

I find buckling springs to be quite linear, certainly more linear than my 62g ErgoClears. The bump on the Clear stem increases the force until actuation, whereafter it decreases the force and actually helps press it down against the spring. This is due to the pressure from the leaf spring and the angle on the stem bump. Feels the closest to Topre of all the MX switches, but increases resistance again before bottom out and feels more precise and "mechanical". Best all round switch IMHO.

Don't let the sound fool you, clicky switches are often LESS tactile than quiet tactile ones in terms of pressure profile. The click serves to enhance the perception of tactility, though, by adding more senses to the mix. I find Blues somewhere in between Browns and Clears in terms of tactility and I really don't like the high-pitched click sound of Blues. I haven't tried Greens yet, but from what people have described I may find the click acceptable if used with thick keycaps, although they're probably harder than I like and they will still suffer from hysteresis. I guess for MX switches I'm just a tactile guy.

[leech]

I find my Gateron Blues (they are MX Compatibles) a bit too light for my liking, i've measured 53g actuation force with the original supplied PBT thin keycaps. My board is loud with thick metal back plate, the clickiness of the keys is very much as expected and likable. The actuation force on my old rubber-dome keyboard is clearly higher, never mind the g-value, so it is a bit surprising and disappointing that the popular Blues and clones are in this low g-band.

Equally important to me, when deciding for a new mkb, are the color of the board & keys AND, if it is a modern mkb costing over 100US$, the presence of full RGB with at least 512 colors. I can't stand black keyboards and black keycaps. Okay, i could install white keycaps. But the board would still be black, which is hard to accept.

• So I am looking for a white full-sized mkb with Cherry MX Greens.
  — Doesn't exist. Afaik all commercial offerings are black or in other dark color scheme.
• And if the mkb with Cherry MX Greens has LED backlighting, then the LED color must be either full RGB or at least pure white. No other uni-color, no rainbow fixed colors.
  — Doesn't exist. Afaik all commercial offerings have uni-color LED backlighting.
• And if the mkb with Cherry MX Greens has no LED backlighting, then the board must cost less than 100US$. I am no *ucker!
  — Doesn't exist. Afaik all commercial offerings cost notably over 100US$ mas shipping.

My first and only mkb meets all of the above criteria and more, "but" comes with Gateron Blues. I've been learning to accept them over the past 1-2 weeks and I am satisfied enough. However, i am sure that i'd enjoy my mkb even more if it had Cherry MX Greens.

Question: Do Cherry MX Green switches with full RGB LED's exist at all?, or does a commercial mkb with RGB Cherry MX Green switches exist?

So even if someone sold me 1 box of 100pcs Cherry MX Green switches for 20US$ shipped, i couldn't substitute them for my Blues, because i would lose all the RGB lighting which my Gateron Blues currently have. I was thinking of disassembling the switches in order to swap stronger springs but after looking at the assembly of the RGB Blues i am realizing that the RGB LED was factory-assembled last: i can't just take off the upper (clear) plastic but i would need to remove/desolder the LED first no thanks! 

[reconsiderit]

Anyone have a comparison of any ergo clear (zealios, mod, etc...) and an MX green? Really loved my Mod Ms and was wondering if there was something with a similar weight and feel in a clicky switch option.

[leech]

a quick search on Aliexpress and i readily found 2 hits for MX Compatible Greens by Gateron, for example:

104 green switches for 31.90$ with "3 pins" or "5 pins":
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Gateron-mx-switch-3-pin-adn-5-pin-transparent-case-mx-green-brown-blue-switches-for/32797603005.html

104 green switches for 26.99$ (with 3 pins afaik):
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/110pcs-pack-SMD-LED-Underglow-Led-Compatible-Gateron-Switches-For-MX-Mechanical-Keyboard/32803290469.html

I can't solder and i don't have a soldering station/equipment, so most likely i won't go into modding my mkb from Gateron Blues to Gateron Greens, but we'll see. Maybe i can ask the mkb vendor to ask the mkb builder to offer me my mkb model with Gateron Greens. ( EDIT: i heard from the vendor that the mkb builder does not offer custom builds, probably because the factory does not have Gateron Greens in stock for the production line  ) If all fails and i am getting desperate, i would consider buying the 104-pack and getting into DIY soldering after all.

But i am not feeling desperate enough yet  )

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