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Offline kaporkle

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CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 05:29:47 »
I'm not entirely sure if this is the correct board to post in, so please forgive me if I goofed up.

I've created a 3d model of a Realforce 87U and a very basic system for visualizing different key cap colors. I've been giving some thought to offering this as a service, providing renders of color combos. Something similar to the WASD Custom Keyboard Designer. The input wouldn't be as advanced, but the output should be prettier. I'm not sure if the idea sounds ridiculous or not to be honest. At the moment I've only created models for topre caps and the RF board, but if this is something the community is interested in it could be extended to MX and BS. But for the moment I'd just like to see if you guys/gals would be interested in helping me test the system.

What I'd like you to do is save the image below, open it in your favorite image editor (Photoshop, GIMP, Paint, etc) and use the 'bucket fill' tool to fill in colors for the keys and the board itself. Come up with whatever colors you think would look cool. It can be an Angry Fruit Salad theme or something tasteful and understated. Whatever your heart desires. I will take your submissions and post the renders here. Hopefully I'll get a few, around 5-10 would probably be perfect. A couple of notes if you decide to participate: 1) Please don't crop the image as the colors are applied via UV coordinates. 2) Save it as png rather than jpg, just to make sure there aren't any compression artifacts being introduced. Cheers and thank you!


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 07:29:15 »
Do you have an example that you might have made already? The template looks nice empty, so I'm interested to see how it looks completed.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 07:55:27 »
Here you go my good man. A veritable mish mash of color.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 08:08:27 »
Looks like the template has some anti-aliasing issues with fill in some programs?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 09:48:50 »
Do you have an example that you might have made already? The template looks nice empty, so I'm interested to see how it looks completed.
Yeah definitely, here's one I rendered last night:



Here you go my good man. A veritable mish mash of color.
Thank you! I'll set it up to render.

Looks like the template has some anti-aliasing issues with fill in some programs?
That's okay. Only a small portion of each key template is sampled for color.


I forgot to mention, you can opt to have printed or blank key caps.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 10:00:07 »
I call it....
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 10:08:32 »
Ok, this is freakin' awesome!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 14:49:30 »
Here you go my good man. A veritable mish mash of color.
The lighting needs some work to play a bit nicer with different color combinations.


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 15:20:18 »
This is pretty cool. Will keep my eye on this thread for future renderings. :D
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 15:22:30 »
What program are you using for this?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 15:23:05 »
This is amazing stuff, well done!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 19:17:30 »
Ok, this is freakin' awesome!
My thoughts exactly.

Great job, OP. This will be an amazing help to the community.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 20:04:34 »
Very nice!! 

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 20:05:28 »
Sweet! I've been hoping that this would come about. Thanks for doing this!

I hate to be this guy but can you do one for the numberpad/keypads as well? For us still stuck on the full size flow  :p

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 20:52:37 »
Ok, this is freakin' awesome!
My thoughts exactly.

Great job, OP. This will be an amazing help to the community.
This is indeed very awesome^
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 22:39:28 »
It would be perfect if there was some way to specify the legend colour too :)
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 23:10:19 »
Thanks for the kind words, I really wasn't expecting that.
I hope this doesn't lead to any disappointment, but the idea was that it would be a paid service. A few bucks for a 1080p (or higher-res) render. I looked at the OP again and realize that I didn't specify this at all, so apologies. :-[ Each one of these takes 3+ hours to render and the only way I could justify setting up different layouts and modeling different boards [Filco, Model M, etc] would be if there was at least some compensation involved.

What program are you using for this?
Hi daerid, it's an animation package called Houdini. http://www.sidefx.com/

On with it.

That's intense! :D

Here are a few other screencaps/test renders





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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 23:20:19 »
Wow... those are impressive.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 23:21:21 »
Stop it!  You are making me drool on my keyboard ;)
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 23:22:44 »
I think they are cool, and I'd spend a couple bucks on it.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 23:45:57 »
Holy crap... These are amazingly realistic! Really great work!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 09:44:48 »
I'm totally cool with this being a paid service and happy to pay the fee. I can imagine a lot of key cap group buys taking advantage of your service as well.

One question though. How much trouble and cost would it be to add a KBC Poker to your model options? Just curious.  :)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 10:55:01 »
This is really, really cool and I'd love to see a version for some MX and BS boards.

I'm definitely going to mess around with a color scheme when I get home.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 11:01:16 »
Thanks for the kind words, I really wasn't expecting that.
I hope this doesn't lead to any disappointment, but the idea was that it would be a paid service. A few bucks for a 1080p (or higher-res) render. I looked at the OP again and realize that I didn't specify this at all, so apologies. :-[ Each one of these takes 3+ hours to render and the only way I could justify setting up different layouts and modeling different boards [Filco, Model M, etc] would be if there was at least some compensation involved.

What program are you using for this?
Hi daerid, it's an animation package called Houdini. http://www.sidefx.com/

On with it.
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That's intense! :D

Here are a few other screencaps/test renders
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Whoa, these are really awesome...definitely worth it if this became a paid service.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 13:11:16 »
Alright, here's my shot at it.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 13:39:41 »
How much time and work did it take you to make that? Would it be possible (not too hard) to make a 104 Filco as well?

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 13:50:39 »
^ This or even a tkl
This is trully awesome
unmatchables mock ups for GB!

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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 16:54:06 »
^ This or even a tkl
This is trully awesome
unmatchables mock ups for GB!
And you know that's something when this guy says so.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 16:59:10 »
^ This or even a tkl
This is trully awesome
unmatchables mock ups for GB!
And you know that's something when this guy says so.
^^Batmann's mock-ups are still classic though!
But yeah this new service will be great for future group-buys here, and the price to be charged seems reasonable enough.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 14:42:23 »
Thank you guys again! It's definitely been a more positive reception than I was expecting. I want to address some of the questions posted but I've had no time to sit down. Late tonight or tomorrow evening I should get a chance to do so.
In the meantime here's your render NikoGasm. :)


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 14:43:58 »
Almost looks fluorescent!
These rendering look really good, great ideas as mentioned about making them for group buys etc

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 00:37:26 »
I hate to be this guy but can you do one for the numberpad/keypads as well? For us still stuck on the full size flow  :p
Hello CPT, yes that would be planned.

It would be perfect if there was some way to specify the legend colour too :)
Hi rowdy, there is now. :)
Coloring the print is done the same way as the caps, although there is a seperate sheet. Changing the font and placement of legends is possible too, though it's not an automated process.




One question though. How much trouble and cost would it be to add a KBC Poker to your model options? Just curious.  :)
This is really, really cool and I'd love to see a version for some MX and BS boards.
How much time and work did it take you to make that? Would it be possible (not too hard) to make a 104 Filco as well?

The case design for the KBC Poker and Filco seem fairly simple to model. Something like a Model M looks a bit more challenging. Having good reference material is really important. With the Realforce I have the real thing in front of me so it doesn't get much better than that. I put a lot of hours into it, honestly probably too much, it's modeled down to the bevels on the dip switches. I wouldn't bother modeling the undersides for any future kbs for example. But the first step to making other boards would be to model the key caps for their respective switches. I wasn't able to find accurate blueprints of topre caps, so I ended up taking my 87u and pulling one cap from each profile and taking photos of it from different angles.

In Houdini I matched the 3d camera to the focal length of my DSLR's lens and used the photos as reference for getting the shape right. It's still not a 100% accurate, but I would say good enough for visualization purposes. I can't do the same for MX/BS/ALPS because I don't own any boards with those switches. What I would need are accurate blueprints, so I will begin by looking for those. Failing that, perhaps some kind geekhackers would be willing to mail me some spare caps, just one of each unique profile.


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:04:29 »
again, impressive!
making it a non free service will probably avoid you getting bored doing this and thus assure mockups supply in the long term but on the other hand I don't like when it always comes back to money  :(

For custom legends would a vector based file work?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:52:40 »
god damn, amazing work!

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:54:52 »
Those renders are close to mind blowing. I am wholly impressed by this, and would imagine people running group buys would love renders of their sets to illustrate what they might look like.
Extremely well done, my friend!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 05:56:12 »
I hate to be this guy but can you do one for the numberpad/keypads as well? For us still stuck on the full size flow  :p
Hello CPT, yes that would be planned.

It would be perfect if there was some way to specify the legend colour too :)
Hi rowdy, there is now. :)
Coloring the print is done the same way as the caps, although there is a seperate sheet. Changing the font and placement of legends is possible too, though it's not an automated process.

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One question though. How much trouble and cost would it be to add a KBC Poker to your model options? Just curious.  :)
This is really, really cool and I'd love to see a version for some MX and BS boards.
How much time and work did it take you to make that? Would it be possible (not too hard) to make a 104 Filco as well?

The case design for the KBC Poker and Filco seem fairly simple to model. Something like a Model M looks a bit more challenging. Having good reference material is really important. With the Realforce I have the real thing in front of me so it doesn't get much better than that. I put a lot of hours into it, honestly probably too much, it's modeled down to the bevels on the dip switches. I wouldn't bother modeling the undersides for any future kbs for example. But the first step to making other boards would be to model the key caps for their respective switches. I wasn't able to find accurate blueprints of topre caps, so I ended up taking my 87u and pulling one cap from each profile and taking photos of it from different angles.
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In Houdini I matched the 3d camera to the focal length of my DSLR's lens and used the photos as reference for getting the shape right. It's still not a 100% accurate, but I would say good enough for visualization purposes. I can't do the same for MX/BS/ALPS because I don't own any boards with those switches. What I would need are accurate blueprints, so I will begin by looking for those. Failing that, perhaps some kind geekhackers would be willing to mail me some spare caps, just one of each unique profile.

If you tell me how you'd like the keycaps photographed I can do it that way, I have all the necessary gear and can send you the specs for the lens I'd be using. Seems like a great project and I'd gladly spend the time doing this.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 22:30:27 »
Thanks again all.

For custom legends would a vector based file work?
I think as long as Inkscape can open the files we should be good.

If you tell me how you'd like the keycaps photographed I can do it that way, I have all the necessary gear and can send you the specs for the lens I'd be using. Seems like a great project and I'd gladly spend the time doing this.
Thank you for the offer McWilloughby! That would be a tremendous help and I would definitely return the favor. This was my process if you're interested in helping:
I set up the camera on a tripod. The key was placed on a 8.5x11 piece of paper on my desk. The paper was supposed to serve as a reference object, as a way to match perspective in 3d.

That proved to be a little difficult because I only had it partially in the frame and because of slight barrel distortion in the lens. If I did it again I would trim the paper down to something like 3x3 inches. Telephoto focal ranges are more helpful than wide angle. The lines I drew on the paper were to make sure the key cap stayed in the same spot. I poked a small hole through the underside to make a little mound that the topre stem could turn on (it's pretty heavy stock paper). The camera was set to a 2 second delay to avoid vibration, and as delicately as I could, I turned the keycap 45 degrees between each shot. 8 images for each of the 4 unique profiles.
Can I ask what switches you have access to? I would like to add Cherry MX (both OEM and Cherry profile) and buckling spring for now. I was considering Alps, but I'm not sure if there is any demand. It seems like only Matias is manufacturing Alps boards, and custom key caps seem to be a rare thing, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 22:40:37 »
So yeah...just when I thought this thread wouldn't get better...it did!

I REALLY like the idea of a gif of a keycap so you can see all the angles. Might I suggest you show the underside as well? It seems like a lot of people really like seeing it and I wouldn't mind it just for thoroughness' sake.

Also, thanks for responding. It's hard to visualize a full size set sometimes when the only pics I can find are of TKL or 60%/75% boards. Granted they look great but sometime I want to picture something and not ogle other people's boards.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 23:06:21 »
So yeah...just when I thought this thread wouldn't get better...it did!

I REALLY like the idea of a gif of a keycap so you can see all the angles. Might I suggest you show the underside as well? It seems like a lot of people really like seeing it and I wouldn't mind it just for thoroughness' sake.

Also, thanks for responding. It's hard to visualize a full size set sometimes when the only pics I can find are of TKL or 60%/75% boards. Granted they look great but sometime I want to picture something and not ogle other people's boards.

No problem. :]
And that's an interesting idea. If someone wants that it's definitely doable. However, while the insides of the caps can have thickness to them, I never added any stems since they were not intended for manufacture.

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« Reply #39 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 01:12:09 »
Very cool idea. Is there anyway you can export your models in a standard file like (.step or sat)? I have SolidWorks'12 at work and I can mess around with rendering as well :-) Thanks!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 01:15:07 »
Very cool idea. Is there anyway you can export your models in a standard file like (.step or sat)? I have SolidWorks'12 at work and I can mess around with rendering as well :-) Thanks!

I also have access to Solidworks, if that might help your project at all.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 01:16:16 »
Do you have an example that you might have made already? The template looks nice empty, so I'm interested to see how it looks completed.
Yeah definitely, here's one I rendered last night:
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Here you go my good man. A veritable mish mash of color.
Thank you! I'll set it up to render.

Looks like the template has some anti-aliasing issues with fill in some programs?
That's okay. Only a small portion of each key template is sampled for color.


I forgot to mention, you can opt to have printed or blank key caps.

This color is AWESOME!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 03:16:11 »
That proved to be a little difficult because I only had it partially in the frame and because of slight barrel distortion in the lens. If I did it again I would trim the paper down to something like 3x3 inches. Telephoto focal ranges are more helpful than wide angle. The lines I drew on the paper were to make sure the key cap stayed in the same spot. I poked a small hole through the underside to make a little mound that the topre stem could turn on (it's pretty heavy stock paper). The camera was set to a 2 second delay to avoid vibration, and as delicately as I could, I turned the keycap 45 degrees between each shot. 8 images for each of the 4 unique profiles.
Can I ask what switches you have access to? I would like to add Cherry MX (both OEM and Cherry profile) and buckling spring for now. I was considering Alps, but I'm not sure if there is any demand. It seems like only Matias is manufacturing Alps boards, and custom key caps seem to be a rare thing, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll probably use a 50mm but I can go up to 70mm if you think that would be better. The perspective setup will be easy enough to make, will try to get started in the next couple of days. I have access to Cherry MX OEM profile keys that come on an ISO layout QFR. Other than that some of my housemates have mechanical keyboards so I'll be able to get numpad specific stuff, only things I won't have access to will be ANSI specific keys (though would the enter key be the only problem?). I can also do a K series (spherical) key if you want.

Also, what format would you like the photos in? I know nothing about modelling/building up the lighting for this stuff but if it would help I can send you RAW files as it'll give you way more control over how the photo looks (no idea if this would be useful at all). If not I'll just send jpegs. Wanna PM me your email so I can send them your way?
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 04:36:44 »
Impressive! :)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 12:41:29 »
Very cool idea. Is there anyway you can export your models in a standard file like (.step or sat)? I have SolidWorks'12 at work and I can mess around with rendering as well :-) Thanks!
Hi npgatech, Houdini won't export to those formats (or CAD formats in general).
At work we sometimes receive step files from clients. Since they are NURBS data we have to convert them to polygons to be able to work with them in Maya (basically recreating the whole model). I don't believe it's trivial to go from polys to NURBS unless it's simple primitives.

I'll probably use a 50mm but I can go up to 70mm if you think that would be better. The perspective setup will be easy enough to make, will try to get started in the next couple of days. I have access to Cherry MX OEM profile keys that come on an ISO layout QFR. Other than that some of my housemates have mechanical keyboards so I'll be able to get numpad specific stuff, only things I won't have access to will be ANSI specific keys (though would the enter key be the only problem?). I can also do a K series (spherical) key if you want.

Also, what format would you like the photos in? I know nothing about modelling/building up the lighting for this stuff but if it would help I can send you RAW files as it'll give you way more control over how the photo looks (no idea if this would be useful at all). If not I'll just send jpegs. Wanna PM me your email so I can send them your way?
50mm is what I used, but whichever you think is the sharper lens. I believe the photos were at f8 or thereabouts. I do usually shoot RAW so that would be great actually, but if the files end up being too big jpegs would do just fine. :]
I would really only need the 1x keys from each unique profile. All the other caps (both ANSI and ISO) can be derived from those, including numpad Enters and such. Spherical keys may be tricky and would require me to rework the system I've build for generating keycaps models, but perhaps down the line... I do like the look of spherical caps. :D
I'll PM you my e-mail right now, thank you again for offering to do this.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 12:47:22 »
I'll do this tonight when I finish working then, won't really take me much time if you only need the 1x's. No worries though, always looking for reasons to procrastinate in exam season.

Do you need side on/top views as well by the way or just the isometric type pictures?
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 13:30:50 »
Great, then I may be able to get started this weekend. And it should be fine with just the isometric pics.
I'm collecting reference photos of the KBC Poker right now, since that was the first board requested. Cheers!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 13:46:52 »

idk im bored . :PPP

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 15:11:11 »
Amazing work!

Would love to see what this would look like:


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 15:33:39 »
Ever so slowly uploading the files to my dropbox, may have to wait until tomorrow morning (UK time) as my housemates were complaining about lag. Gotta love RAW files :P

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 16:32:38 »
Ever so slowly uploading the files to my dropbox, may have to wait until tomorrow morning (UK time) as my housemates were complaining about lag. Gotta love RAW files :P

Hehe :P

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 17:05:09 »
Right on McWilloughby. :]

I dig the khaki/sand color and that turquoise Esc. :)


Amazing work!
Would love to see what this would look like:

I'm on it.


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 17:20:29 »
some nice colors and excellent rendering

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 17:21:41 »
This is a very interesting tool.  Some neat keyboards so far.  Will have to give it a shot later tonight.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 18:04:36 »
This is incredible!
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 19:33:01 »
Here come's mine :



Also, if you could do it all blank, that would be nice ;D
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 19:55:16 »
This is so cool!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 20:18:44 »
I would definitely want to see some common buckling spring keyboards get this treatment. So...

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 13:55:48 »
McWilloughby has kindly provided me with some great photos of MX keycaps so I will be able to start on that soon.












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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:00:49 »
These are the best mock ups I've ever seen! Thank you!!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:42:03 »
Right on McWilloughby. :]

I dig the khaki/sand color and that turquoise Esc. :)
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Amazing work!
Would love to see what this would look like:

I'm on it.


I really like this one. I'm colour blind so those bright colours with the black look great to me!
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 15:56:01 »
McWilloughby has kindly provided me with some great photos of MX keycaps so I will be able to start on that soon.


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Wow, those look great O:

::Should've made my base colour charcoal black. :/

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 21:45:51 »
Has there been a price established for this service? I know there was some talk of this costing a few bucks, which I'm happy to pay, but I'm just curious how much it'd be.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 22:19:43 »


Would love to see this done up if you can, I have actually ordered very similar colour keycaps but will be waiting 2 to 3 weeks for arrival.

Seeing it made up in 3D and seeing how similar it turns out would be amazing.

Many thanks. :)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 22:21:37 »
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Would love to see this done up if you can, I have actually ordered very similar colour keycaps but will be waiting 2 to 3 weeks for arrival.

Seeing it made up in 3D and seeing how similar it turns out would be amazing.

Many thanks. :)
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 22:25:20 »
Definitely XD will post my actual board there when it is done :) I wanted my gaming board to be very colourful :P

The actual board will actually have all white modifiers, once I can find somewhere that can make a stubby spacebar for me, seeing as it has to be black for now I may have it in a checkerboard pattern as picture but want to see how it looks first XD. It may just be too much on the eyes.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 22:41:03 »
Can't wait to see the pics!
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 23:42:48 »
::Should've made my base colour charcoal black. :/
Submit another one if you'd like. :)

Has there been a price established for this service? I know there was some talk of this costing a few bucks, which I'm happy to pay, but I'm just curious how much it'd be.
Hi mashby. This is still a work in progress and I haven't sorted all the details out but I'm thinking between $4-$7 per render depending on how many you want in a given "order".

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Would love to see this done up if you can, I have actually ordered very similar colour keycaps but will be waiting 2 to 3 weeks for arrival.

Seeing it made up in 3D and seeing how similar it turns out would be amazing.

Many thanks. :)
This one looks like fun, and yes I would love to see the real thing when it's done. Are they blank or printed caps?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 21 January 2013, 01:12:44 »
Awesome, just received my mechanical keyboard! Hopefully I will have my keycaps soon. They are printed caps :)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 22:40:35 »
Hay Matt, congrats. :)
Sorry it took a while, I've been a little preoccupied.


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 22:54:03 »
Wow  :eek: That looks awesome! Thanks heaps Kaporkle. No problems on the time taken mate, especially seeing as it is one of the test ones you did for free  :D I love it!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 23:04:41 »
Wow  :eek: That looks awesome! Thanks heaps Kaporkle. No problems on the time taken mate, especially seeing as it is one of the test ones you did for free  :D I love it!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 23:07:38 »
I see you have found Rainbow Brite's keyboard.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 23:14:16 »
I see you have found Rainbow Brite's keyboard.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 23 January 2013, 03:16:20 »
That one looks great with the white legends on the black keys :)
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 26 February 2013, 18:15:58 »
Hey Kaporkle! What would you require to model a Model M keyboard and keycaps?
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 26 February 2013, 19:38:54 »
I didn't see that thread before and I blame me for it.

Impressive work. Really useful when it comes to organising GB.

If you could make the same work for some popular keyboards they would be the 1st choice for everyone organising GB and needing mock ups.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 26 February 2013, 21:52:36 »
There is something masochistic about doing this for a board that has so few custom keycap options.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 27 February 2013, 04:32:26 »
There is something masochistic about doing this for a board that has so few custom keycap options.

Are you referring to doing this for a Model M? That's exactly why it should be done... So that more key caps could be made.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 27 February 2013, 05:06:00 »
These mock ups are drool worthy. The only problem is that I wish so many of them were real.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 27 February 2013, 05:31:43 »
Nice work! I thought doing the same, using blender and a batch script for autoconverting but you did a really good job : ).

Would you mind CGising my image? It is from the group buy CCnG Round 2(http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40610.0). You could also use this for finetuning the material.

What would be very nice and more sutiable: Can you integrate colorcodes? ST has only special types of color(go to the thread there are color examples in the first thread).

Perhaps you can find material infos for abs?


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #81 on: Wed, 27 February 2013, 23:59:45 »
Thank you guys. :)

Krogenar, ideally I would have orthographic blueprints/drawings of a Model M in vector format, which so far I haven't come across. If that's not an option I can model the case from photos. The most important thing to have though would be good reference photos of the keycaps.
For example McWilloughby has access to a tripod and dslr and did an outstanding job in providing me with good photos of OEM MX caps:

If I had this for Model M caps, it would be enough to get started. Alternately if someone would be willing to mail me a few spare Model M caps I can take the photos myself.
I do plan to add more keyboard models in the future. So far it's the 87U, Filco/QFR tkl (almost identical case?) and Poker/Pure.

Sicaine, I'm rendering your image now.
Poking around the SP website I don't see anything that could provide RGB values for their colors. I may try asking them, because that would come in handy.



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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 00:40:24 »
These are pretty awesome kaporkle,

Just curious, how much cputime did these take to render?
I'm curious how feasible it would to get these autogenerated on-the-fly based on submissions via website.

(Not suggesting that you necessarily do-so, just curious about the efficiency of these sorts of renders these days)

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« Reply #83 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 02:24:09 »
Thanks nullstring. These take 1-3 hours on average. It can vary quite a bit with the material properties and even with the colors used.
I've had a couple of inquiries about automation and the possibility of integrating these renders in a web-service. Short answer: Seems unlikely. Slightly longer answer: I am using a 3d animation package and I'm personally not aware of any efforts to hook up off-the-shelf 3d animation software to a web interface. Admittedly the web stuff is well outside my area of expertise.


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 04:37:06 »
Poking around the SP website I don't see anything that could provide RGB values for their colors. I may try asking them, because that would come in handy.

Unfortunately they don't have the specs of their colours.
Our best shot on this would be to get a grab an their colour rings (PBT and ABS) and to match them with a pantone, it would then be available in any coulour space.
I'm willing to do this if anyone has a ring he could send me.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 08:26:39 »
matt3o did make a color matching tool that might be of some help.

http://lab.cubiq.org/wta/

More on how his tool works at this link.

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« Reply #86 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 08:57:42 »
this is like the greatest thing ever, and i want to connnect this to matt3o's tool and script it as soon as possible.

to this end, i've moved it to MST so that it doesn't get buried in "what keyboard should i get" threads

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 09:05:09 »
Thank you guys. :)

Krogenar, ideally I would have orthographic blueprints/drawings of a Model M in vector format, which so far I haven't come across. If that's not an option I can model the case from photos. The most important thing to have though would be good reference photos of the keycaps.
For example McWilloughby has access to a tripod and dslr and did an outstanding job in providing me with good photos of OEM MX caps:
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If I had this for Model M caps, it would be enough to get started. Alternately if someone would be willing to mail me a few spare Model M caps I can take the photos myself.

I will send you some BS caps. I think they're all the same profile, so one model would suffice. I'll put in some of the special keys as well -- Enter, Backspace and what have you. As for the case, I will -- hey, how about I just send you one of my Model M's? Would you be willing to ship it back to me when you're done? I feel like BS keyboards get little to no love from groupbuys, etc. -- partly because people want them to remain 'vintage', but maybe a rendering of a potential new keyset would help. Send me a PM with your address, and I'll ship you out a White Label Model M, which I think is pretty common.

Also, in regards to getting SP's color ring to match up with your renders, I would suggest using PMS colors (Pantone Matching System). Kaporkle, does your software environment support PMS colors? If it does, then that might be the best solution. In my work I use Pantone colors for color matching. There are books published by Pantone called swatch books.



They're just little blocks of color that I can use to find the nearest pantone color for anything. If I can get my hands on a SP color ring, I can determine the closest PMS match to each segment of the SP color ring -- IF your design environment allows for Pantone colors. Or, perhaps SP can give us the PMS equivalents on their own?
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 09:11:48 »
Matteo is full of surprises!

Also, in regards to getting SP's color ring to match up with your renders, I would suggest using PMS colors (Pantone Matching System). Kaporkle, does your software environment support PMS colors? If it does, then that might be the best solution. In my work I use Pantone colors for color matching. There are books published by Pantone called swatch books.

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They're just little blocks of color that I can use to find the nearest pantone color for anything. If I can get my hands on a SP color ring, I can determine the closest PMS match to each segment of the SP color ring -- IF your design environment allows for Pantone colors. Or, perhaps SP can give us the PMS equivalents on their own?

pretty much the long version of my previous post!
And no SP don't have any reference for their colours, no RGB, CMYK, PMS or whatsoever
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 09:16:09 »
pretty much the long version of my previous post!

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What he said!
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 09:19:37 »
^ maybe it would be easier for you to get a colour ring from a member
you could match them with your Pantone (granted you have the time and the desire to do it ofc :) )
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #91 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 10:48:41 »
I'm happy to contribute to the cause and order a ABS color ring and ship it to @Krogenar. He can then match the colors and add it to our knowledge of KEYBOARD SCIENCE!  :p

Quick question though, are the SP color rings consistent? It feels like they are a bit all over the map and change over time.

@krogenar, please PM me your address and I'll ship you the ABS ring.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 12:47:57 »
PM sent!  :)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #93 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 16:41:33 »
Ordered. I'll post the tracking number once I receive it from SP.  ;D

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 20:28:02 »
Dunno if you're doing more, but if you can find the time I'd love to see this:


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #95 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 21:19:30 »
could u do a render of the toxic set on black case?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #96 on: Thu, 28 February 2013, 23:40:41 »
Wow that's two people offering to ship out a Model M. That's incredibly kind of you both. Having the object in front of you does remove all the guesswork that otherwise comes with modeling from photo references. I realize it would be somewhat of an inconvenience so thanks very much for the offer. If we go that route I would pay for shipping each way.

In regards to colors: It would definitely be useful to have values for SP's colors. I had some difficulty with color-matching the Raindrop set for aggiejy, it was a lot of eye-balling. If an SP color-ring can be matched to Pantone numbers they can then be converted to RGB values. Matt3o's tool looks very cool btw.

Dunno if you're doing more, but if you can find the time I'd love to see this:
Aye, it's rendering.

could u do a render of the toxic set on black case?
Sure thing. I had to look that up. Yes or No on:
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 00:31:32 »
I can lend you my ABS color ring if it will help.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #98 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 00:42:55 »
Wow that's two people offering to ship out a Model M. That's incredibly kind of you both. Having the object in front of you does remove all the guesswork that otherwise comes with modeling from photo references. I realize it would be somewhat of an inconvenience so thanks very much for the offer. If we go that route I would pay for shipping each way.

In regards to colors: It would definitely be useful to have values for SP's colors. I had some difficulty with color-matching the Raindrop set for aggiejy, it was a lot of eye-balling. If an SP color-ring can be matched to Pantone numbers they can then be converted to RGB values. Matt3o's tool looks very cool btw.

Dunno if you're doing more, but if you can find the time I'd love to see this:
Aye, it's rendering.


could u do a render of the toxic set on black case?
Sure thing. I had to look that up. Yes or No on:
toxic stripe
green mods

Without toxic stripe but with tox mods if possible, and u got the time :) Im sure im not the only one whod like to see this!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #99 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 09:22:51 »
Was the Toxic green posted? I thought it was going to be a heretofore unseen, startlingly bright green.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #100 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 09:29:04 »
Was the Toxic green posted? I thought it was going to be a heretofore unseen, startlingly bright green.

He just got samples in a day or so ago. I PM'd Daniel to see if we could get a sample (when it's finalized) so you can use your PMS system to find a match. I'll let you know what he says.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 09:34:37 »
Toxic green is PMS 389,
since it's a custom colour we had to use pantone for the choice

and also thanks for the colour ring order, that's gonna help a lot  :)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #102 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 09:52:57 »
I'm happy to contribute to the cause and order a ABS color ring and ship it to @Krogenar. He can then match the colors and add it to our knowledge of KEYBOARD SCIENCE!  :p

Quick question though, are the SP color rings consistent? It feels like they are a bit all over the map and change over time.

@krogenar, please PM me your address and I'll ship you the ABS ring.

No, they are not consistent.  They contain the chips that SP has in stock at the time they make the rings.  In fact, the rings I bought for Elvish and Retro did not contain any of the colors that ended up in Retro.

SP did send me the extra color samples when I requested them by color-code, but there is no guarantee you will get all the colors you want.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #103 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 10:08:30 »
No, they are not consistent.  They contain the chips that SP has in stock at the time they make the rings.  In fact, the rings I bought for Elvish and Retro did not contain any of the colors that ended up in Retro.

So are you saying colors like RA Red may not be the same color when another batch is run, or that they are always adding and changing colors?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #104 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 10:47:30 »
Toxic green is PMS 389,
since it's a custom colour we had to use pantone for the choice

and also thanks for the colour ring order, that's gonna help a lot  :)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #105 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 11:10:13 »
I used solid coated for the mockups,
Daniel arranged this with Melissa so I'm not sure what they agreed on except for 389.
Btw is coating relevant for ABS plastic?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 11:41:08 »
Btw is coating relevant for ABS plastic?

I would assume coated, this being plastic and all, but I can't be sure until I see the chips themselves. I use primarily Pantone Solid Coated, and I print mostly on extruded vinyls. Even after matching the chips to Pantone Solid Coated colors, it sounds like they would still only be approximations, since others have pointed out that the color chips differ from batch to batch. Still, it's better than just guessing.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #107 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 11:43:53 »
First, is there any way to change the color of the legends, to get an idea how double-shots would look?

Second, can you do one more?

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« Reply #108 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 12:25:07 »
i'm at some point going to make color accurate argb shots of all of the color chips i have, but due to some nasty stuff don't have the time right now

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #109 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 12:34:51 »
I can confirm that PMS 389C for the Toxic set is ... wow. A really intense, eye-strain inducing green! Pretty awesome that the GB organizer was able to get SP to do this. That will be one really unique-looking set. Here's the potato pic:



I shot the picture against my Model M as a color reference. PMS 389 is right at the point where it could almost pitch over into a more yellow color, but doesn't. Ballsy color to choose.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 12:37:09 »
No, they are not consistent.  They contain the chips that SP has in stock at the time they make the rings.  In fact, the rings I bought for Elvish and Retro did not contain any of the colors that ended up in Retro.

So are you saying colors like RA Red may not be the same color when another batch is run, or that they are always adding and changing colors?

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« Reply #111 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 14:17:14 »
I can confirm that PMS 389C for the Toxic set is ... wow. A really intense, eye-strain inducing green! Pretty awesome that the GB organizer was able to get SP to do this. That will be one really unique-looking set. Here's the potato pic:

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I shot the picture against my Model M as a color reference. PMS 389 is right at the point where it could almost pitch over into a more yellow color, but doesn't. Ballsy color to choose.

Sounds good and also looks good

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 16:30:25 »
No, they are not consistent.  They contain the chips that SP has in stock at the time they make the rings.  In fact, the rings I bought for Elvish and Retro did not contain any of the colors that ended up in Retro.

So are you saying colors like RA Red may not be the same color when another batch is run, or that they are always adding and changing colors?

Always adding and changing colors to the rings.

As long as the color names are consistent, in other words RA red is always the same, then I think having the PMS as a reference can really help. Of course it also means that this process could be never ending if they add and remove colors willy nilly.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #113 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 20:01:34 »



I used PMS 389 for the green and guessed on the black/charcoal (and I goofed on the front-printing in the upper right, but hopefully that's not a big deal).

Eth0s, I looked up Tiffany & Co. It's a cool idea for a color scheme. Before I hit 'go' on the HQ render, is this the level of saturation that you're after?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #114 on: Fri, 01 March 2013, 20:34:16 »
ohhh man! i  want them even more now! Should post it in the GB thread!

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« Reply #115 on: Sat, 02 March 2013, 15:55:02 »
I got a WASD gamer set from Signature Plastics that was a near perfect match for Tiffany turquoise.

Here are some pics:





As you can see, Tiffany uses turquoise with black legends.  The Tiffany font is distinctive, and would be impossible to reproduce without paying $45 per keycap for Signature Plastics new legend fee.

Also Tiffany uses white as a modifier color, as you can see in the pics. 

As such, the colors of a "Breakfast on Fifth Avenue" set should include turquoise, black and possibly white.

I haven't worked out what would be the best combination of colors just yet, which is why i was excited to try your modeling to see how the various color combo's look.

Now I'm thinking the alpha keys should be black-on-turquoise, and the modifier keys should be turquoise-on-black.  Maybe the only place for turquoise-on-white would be the Esc key.

Here is a pic of a keyboard with a turquoise gamer WASD cluster:

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #116 on: Sat, 02 March 2013, 15:58:10 »
There is something masochistic about doing this for a board that has so few custom keycap options.

Are you referring to doing this for a Model M? That's exactly why it should be done... So that more key caps could be made.

The only problem with that really is, like topre, Unicomp is the only one that makes BS cap sets and they're rather slow when it comes to making new combinations.  I think they've been developing a Red Alert set for over a year now.

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« Reply #117 on: Sat, 02 March 2013, 16:33:53 »
I got a WASD gamer set from Signature Plastics that was a near perfect match for Tiffany turquoise.

Those keys look fantastic.

Do you know what color code they used for that?

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« Reply #118 on: Sat, 02 March 2013, 16:48:53 »
I don't have one of those Sig Plastics color-coding ring of fobs.  http://www.keycapsdirect.com/marketplace.php

I guess I should pony up $35 and buy one from Melissa. heh.
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« Reply #119 on: Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:35:19 »
I don't have one of those Sig Plastics color-coding ring of fobs.  http://www.keycapsdirect.com/marketplace.php

I guess I should pony up $35 and buy one from Melissa. heh.

I just bought one myself. I was just curious if you knew off hand.

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Re: Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #120 on: Sat, 02 March 2013, 17:53:43 »
I got a WASD gamer set from Signature Plastics that was a near perfect match for Tiffany turquoise.

Here are some pics:

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As you can see, Tiffany uses turquoise with black legends.  The Tiffany font is distinctive, and would be impossible to reproduce without paying $45 per keycap for Signature Plastics new legend fee.

Those caps are beautiful! Btw, the color has been around for almost 200 years and is Tiffany Blue not turquoise :)

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« Reply #121 on: Sat, 02 March 2013, 20:01:01 »
I got a WASD gamer set from Signature Plastics that was a near perfect match for Tiffany turquoise.

Here are some pics:

Show Image


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As you can see, Tiffany uses turquoise with black legends.  The Tiffany font is distinctive, and would be impossible to reproduce without paying $45 per keycap for Signature Plastics new legend fee.

Those caps are beautiful! Btw, the color has been around for almost 200 years and is Tiffany Blue not turquoise :)

They are pretty awesome, it's true.  I've been thinking about running a group buy to make a whole set out of them, for more than a year.

And, lol, yeah, I know Tiffany & Co., calls it "Tiffany Blue", because I've spent more than a few dollars in their store. :))  But I didn't want any entanglements with them, so I would like to call it "Breakfast Turquoise" or "Fifth Avenue Blue", or something, lulz.  Hmm, for short I guess I could call it BreakTurq, or FAB?

So would you be interested in a whole set of BreakTurq/ FAB keycaps?  If so, what color should the modifier keys be?  BreakTurq/ FAB for the alpha keys, and Black around the outside or white?

I just realized I prolly should start my own thread about this.  Sorry if I thread-jacked a bit.  :-[

 
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #122 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 02:39:10 »
I found the RGB values for Tiffany Blue on this page:
http://blog.buyosphere.com/2012/05/tiffany-blue/

According to Matt3o's color tool, the closest match is BEY.


Now I'm thinking the alpha keys should be black-on-turquoise, and the modifier keys should be turquoise-on-black.  Maybe the only place for turquoise-on-white would be the Esc key.
Like this:

Or this:




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« Reply #123 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 06:23:27 »
Very different colors
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #124 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 08:07:12 »
I've updated the tool with better calibrated colors. The closest you can get is probably BFL

http://lab.cubiq.org/wta/?img=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv123%2FDaJuice%2FTiffanyBlue.png

preview

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#BFL,NN

edit: if you can go PBT, maybe BFV is even closer
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #125 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 10:56:17 »
A couple of things...

First, having bought many things Tiffany over the years, and even owned some Tiffany stock, I have to say that the inclusion of black keys violates their design ethic pretty strongly.  Go buy something.  It will come in a blue box with a white ribbon.  Your GF/Wife will be excited just to see the box.

So having the keycaps in Tiffany Blue with white or black lettering, and possibly a small touch of white with blue would much better suit the Tiffany look.  http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#BFL,WA

Second, we've picked the colors for the Elvish keycaps.  Mr. Kaporkle, feel like doing something with non-Roman lettering?  We have an SVG of the Elvish legends.

See http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38264.0 for more details (and a bad 3D image.)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #126 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 11:14:04 »
if you release the source code I could create a realtime 3d keyboard generator :P

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #127 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 14:36:13 »
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#BFL,NN
I had not seen that before, badass. :cool:

if you release the source code I could create a realtime 3d keyboard generator :P
Since this is a commercial venture I have to politely decline. :]
There isn't any code btw, rather it's all scene files.


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #128 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 14:40:13 »
conveniently, one of our admins has a lot of experience in automated generation and manipulation of scene files *whistle* ;)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #129 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 16:15:29 »
oh well... I gotta create it myself then...  >:D

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #130 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 00:56:33 »
On Matt3o's keyboard color chooser, VBV is closer to Tiffany Blue.  Tiffany Blue is not really blue at all, it's really turquoise.  Tiffany & Co. just call it "blue" for some reason.  Either way, SP has a direct match, as I showed in my pic.  The SP WASD set in my pic is almost a perfect match for "Tiffany Blue".
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Re: Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #131 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 01:36:53 »
On Matt3o's keyboard color chooser, VBV is closer to Tiffany Blue.  Tiffany Blue is not really blue at all, it's really turquoise.  Tiffany & Co. just call it "blue" for some reason.  Either way, SP has a direct match, as I showed in my pic.  The SP WASD set in my pic is almost a perfect match for "Tiffany Blue".

Haha, they probably call it blue because many women who buy turquoise think it's expensive, nice, and luxurious, but it's not lol. When I lived in Pittsburgh, a lot of my girlfriends were like this and Tiffany & Co. probably wants to disassociate from that.

PS - I plan on messaging you in regards to your last reply to me, but I haven't had enough time yet :)
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 06 March 2013, 13:30:45 »
On Matt3o's keyboard color chooser, VBV is closer to Tiffany Blue.  Tiffany Blue is not really blue at all, it's really turquoise.  Tiffany & Co. just call it "blue" for some reason.  Either way, SP has a direct match, as I showed in my pic.  The SP WASD set in my pic is almost a perfect match for "Tiffany Blue".

Haha, they probably call it blue because many women who buy turquoise think it's expensive, nice, and luxurious, but it's not lol. When I lived in Pittsburgh, a lot of my girlfriends were like this and Tiffany & Co. probably wants to disassociate from that.

PS - I plan on messaging you in regards to your last reply to me, but I haven't had enough time yet :)

Hmm, well, I like turquoise, the semi-precious stone, and turquoise, the color.  IMO, any stone can look nice in a piece of jewelry, even amber.  It all depends on the skill of the jeweler.  And any stone can be expensive, when Tiffany & Co. sells it (even amber).  lulz. 
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 06 March 2013, 14:00:35 »
Heads up gang, received the SP ABS color ring from Mashby today, and I'll be doing some Pantone color matching tonight when I get home. I will post some matches tonight. I'll try to find a Tiffany Blue.

Also, I was wondering ... has anyone ever considering mounting a semi-precious stone into a keycap? I'm just imagining sculpting the cap so that it has a 'setting' shape; put a little cleft somewhere on it, and then bedazzle the bejeezus out of it.

...



You know what, forget that, that would look ridiculous. I'm just going to splash some glue and glitter on my keycaps, maybe toss some uncooked macaroni on it and call it a day.  ^-^



LOL, other arts and crafts accessories could work -- googly eyes!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 07 March 2013, 00:17:42 »
Heads up gang, received the SP ABS color ring from Mashby today, and I'll be doing some Pantone color matching tonight when I get home. I will post some matches tonight. I'll try to find a Tiffany Blue.

Also, I was wondering ... has anyone ever considering mounting a semi-precious stone into a keycap? I'm just imagining sculpting the cap so that it has a 'setting' shape; put a little cleft somewhere on it, and then bedazzle the bejeezus out of it.

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You know what, forget that, that would look ridiculous. I'm just going to splash some glue and glitter on my keycaps, maybe toss some uncooked macaroni on it and call it a day.  ^-^



LOL, other arts and crafts accessories could work -- googly eyes!



LOL, I dunno if ur trolling me or not.  But that pic is still funny. 

And somebody like girlDC, who is actually a jeweler, will eventually make a solid gold Darth Vader with diamond eyes.  Just wait, the $1,000 keycap is coming.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 07 March 2013, 04:23:31 »

LOL, I dunno if ur trolling me or not.  But that pic is still funny. 

And somebody like girlDC, who is actually a jeweler, will eventually make a solid gold Darth Vader with diamond eyes.  Just wait, the $1,000 keycap is coming.

Nope, not trolling at all. I like the Tiffany color scheme actually. I think there should be more solid color keycap sets, if the color is striking enough.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #136 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 11:41:16 »
Can you add color "VDA" to the tool? It is Pantone color 389 C which will be used for the Toxic set.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #137 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 12:14:18 »
Can you add color "VDA" to the tool? It is Pantone color 389 C which will be used for the Toxic set.

Sure. Way to go, engineering a new color and all!
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #138 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 13:03:55 »
please note that abs colors change from one batch to another, an ABS to Pantone convertion is almost impossible

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #139 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 13:32:24 »
please note that abs colors change from one batch to another, an ABS to Pantone convertion is almost impossible

Do they change drastically? If they do, then, well then their own color rings are kinda useless too, aren't they? Unless they make new rings on a regular basis, which I would imagine would be pretty costly? I use a lot of fabrics in my work, of all different colors, and they also vary slightly from dye lot to dye lot -- but not by a huge margin. Red doesn't turn into orange or anything.

I'm assuming that the codes SP uses must indicate some sort of formula? I'm guessing the raw ABS comes in pellets of some kind, and they drop colorants by some formula into the molten plastic. Could be that the formula isn't very stringent -- a pinch of this color, a dash of that color, etc. -- but I doubt it. One RA set won't match another RA set precisely, but they'll be very close, right?

For now, I've only managed the yellows, and if I'm not 90%+ confident in the match, I indicate that in my notes. So far only one color chip has had no real Pantone match. Once I'm done I might go into some other Pantone books (uncoated) and see if there's a better match, or explore percentages of a Pantone color. I'm hoping the other colors will be easier to match.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #140 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 13:36:08 »
Very different colors

Yeah, I gotta agree. But if SP was able to make a custom color for the Toxic set, maybe they can match your Tiffany blue?
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #141 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 13:39:13 »
please note that abs colors change from one batch to another, an ABS to Pantone convertion is almost impossible

Do they change drastically? If they do, then, well then their own color rings are kinda useless too, aren't they? Unless they make new rings on a regular basis, which I would imagine would be pretty costly? I use a lot of fabrics in my work, of all different colors, and they also vary slightly from dye lot to dye lot -- but not by a huge margin. Red doesn't turn into orange or anything.

I'm assuming that the codes SP uses must indicate some sort of formula? I'm guessing the raw ABS comes in pellets of some kind, and they drop colorants by some formula into the molten plastic. Could be that the formula isn't very stringent -- a pinch of this color, a dash of that color, etc. -- but I doubt it. One RA set won't match another RA set precisely, but they'll be very close, right?

For now, I've only managed the yellows, and if I'm not 90%+ confident in the match, I indicate that in my notes. So far only one color chip has had no real Pantone match. Once I'm done I might go into some other Pantone books (uncoated) and see if there's a better match, or explore percentages of a Pantone color. I'm hoping the other colors will be easier to match.

@ Krogenar: Are you a garmento?  lol, early in my career, I used to do arbitrations for fabric manufacturers and buyers here in NYC.

@Matt3o:  It seems like Signature Plastics can produce the same color over and over again in their ABS plastic on a reliable basis.  So I'm hoping they can reproduce the turquoise color that they produced before.  And I think it's just a coincidence that their turquoise color is almost an exact match for Tiffany Blue.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #142 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 13:53:34 »
@ Krogenar: Are you a garmento?  lol, early in my career, I used to do arbitrations for fabric manufacturers and buyers here in NYC.

No, but I do work very close to the fashion district. I make custom banners and flags, so I use a lot of nylon. Arbitrations between fabric buyers and sellers? Hope they paid you a lot, LOL! ("This isn't Navy Blue, it's Black!") You have no idea how many times that color trips people up.

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@Matt3o:  It seems like Signature Plastics can produce the same color over and over again in their ABS plastic on a reliable basis.  So I'm hoping they can reproduce the turquoise color that they produced before.  And I think it's just a coincidence that their turquoise color is almost an exact match for Tiffany Blue.

It didn't look like an exact match to me; in fact, it was pretty far off. But color is such a subjective thing that it might be good enough for the end user. The only way to get a 100% match would be to match a chip up against a Tiffany bag. And even then, the final color might be slightly different because SP would mix the color up fresh for production. When I used to silkscreen in-house we would run into the same problem. I'd mix a color up by hand (literally mixing it by adding ink, checking against a color, remixing, etc.) and after printing I'd put the ink in one of those chinese take-out containers, label it, and then if the client came back I would at least have a reference to try to match.

But I don't think that would work with molten plastic!  :D
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #143 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 16:20:43 »
I'm telling you what SP told me. While building my color tools I tried to tune up with SP but it turned out to be very difficult to match the colors. Also the color rings varies over time. So you can try to go close, but a perfect match won't last long. The good news anyway is that SP can match your color if you ask to.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #144 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 16:38:11 »
@ Krogenar: Are you a garmento?  lol, early in my career, I used to do arbitrations for fabric manufacturers and buyers here in NYC.

No, but I do work very close to the fashion district. I make custom banners and flags, so I use a lot of nylon. Arbitrations between fabric buyers and sellers? Hope they paid you a lot, LOL! ("This isn't Navy Blue, it's Black!") You have no idea how many times that color trips people up.

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@Matt3o:  It seems like Signature Plastics can produce the same color over and over again in their ABS plastic on a reliable basis.  So I'm hoping they can reproduce the turquoise color that they produced before.  And I think it's just a coincidence that their turquoise color is almost an exact match for Tiffany Blue.

It didn't look like an exact match to me; in fact, it was pretty far off. But color is such a subjective thing that it might be good enough for the end user. The only way to get a 100% match would be to match a chip up against a Tiffany bag. And even then, the final color might be slightly different because SP would mix the color up fresh for production. When I used to silkscreen in-house we would run into the same problem. I'd mix a color up by hand (literally mixing it by adding ink, checking against a color, remixing, etc.) and after printing I'd put the ink in one of those chinese take-out containers, label it, and then if the client came back I would at least have a reference to try to match.

But I don't think that would work with molten plastic!  :D

Well, I worked for somebody else.  It was my first real job, and I didn't get paid very well, but I learned a lot about litigation, and how people in the garment industry try to cheat each other.  It's a pretty crazy business, is all I'm willing to say.  However, there are a lot of really great people in that industry too.  There are even a few honest ones.  :p

As or SP's turquoise keycaps, it's true they are not an exact match for Tiffany Blue.  But I didn't think about trying to get an exact match, mainly b/c it seemed impracticable, and secondarily since it seemed that a slightly different, but very similar shade of turquoise would avoid copyright litigation.  I'm sure you're aware of Christian Louboutin's copyright litigation over his red soles on his women's shoes.  Louboutin has re-filed his French trademark to name a specific shade of red (Pantone 18-1663TP, “Chinese Red”) rather than the color red in general — so his claim to copyright protection seems to be limited to that exact shade of red, i.e., Pantone 18-1663TP.  The same is probably true for Tiffany Blue, but again, it's always an open legal question when dealing with this sort of thing.  Louboutin lost at the trial court level, but has won at the appellate court level.  So, while it may be an interesting hypothetical, to see if one can duplicate Tiffany Blue in plastic, it may cause more problems than it's worth, if one actually tried to sell it.  However, despite the foregoing, I would love to know the exact Panatone color name and number for Tiffany Blue, if you can figure it out.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #145 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 22:26:55 »
I hope you don't mind eth0s, I took a little bit of liberty with the scheme taking into account what samwisekoi mentioned.


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« Reply #146 on: Fri, 08 March 2013, 23:07:57 »

Also, I was wondering ... has anyone ever considering mounting a semi-precious stone into a keycap? I'm just imagining sculpting the cap so that it has a 'setting' shape; put a little cleft somewhere on it, and then bedazzle the bejeezus out of it.



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« Reply #147 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 19:03:03 »
I hope you don't mind eth0s, I took a little bit of liberty with the scheme taking into account what samwisekoi mentioned.

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Hey thanks!

That looks really great!  I guess white-on-turquoise is probably the best looking combination.  Although, I wouldn't mind seeing black-on-turquoise as well, on a black keyboard.  But only if you feel like doing another rendering, lol.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #148 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 00:39:49 »
I don't know about you but I like it. :}


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #149 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 19:40:26 »
One more for me?



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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #150 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 12:31:10 »
For sure Badwrench, but it might have to wait until the weekend, I'm a bit tied up with other stuff.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #151 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:25:40 »
For sure Badwrench, but it might have to wait until the weekend, I'm a bit tied up with other stuff.

No worries at all.  I am really liking this forum. 
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I don't know about you but I like it. :}

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Hey thanks!  I am liking this a lot!
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #153 on: Sat, 16 March 2013, 11:42:37 »
Pretty sure this is the place to post :D

Could I get a 3D mockup of the reverse colors for the CCnG Group buy?

I'm trying to get the reverse colors more interest, and I think a 3D Model would help a lot.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #154 on: Sat, 16 March 2013, 14:40:37 »
Pretty sure this is the place to post :D

Could I get a 3D mockup of the reverse colors for the CCnG Group buy?

I'm trying to get the reverse colors more interest, and I think a 3D Model would help a lot.

If you need anything else please PM me :D


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GupGup, here are two files for kaporkle, using the Pantone colors I found to be closest to SP's ABS chips. The cream cheese was closest to PMS 7499C, and the green was PMS 362C. I think the cream cheese pantone color may be slightly more yellow than the chip, but it was the closest I found. Here's the base set, on a black case, and a white case.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #155 on: Sat, 16 March 2013, 14:41:53 »
And on black as well:

I don't know if kaporkle can invert the legend colors or not.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #156 on: Sat, 16 March 2013, 15:40:23 »
Krogenar, if it's not too much trouble, can you post the reverse of these colors on a black board? In other words, the modifiers would be Cream and the keys would be green. I think that's what Gupgup was after.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #157 on: Sat, 16 March 2013, 16:00:57 »
Krogenar, if it's not too much trouble, can you post the reverse of these colors on a black board? In other words, the modifiers would be Cream and the keys would be green. I think that's what Gupgup was after.

What about the function key row?
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #158 on: Sat, 16 March 2013, 16:08:18 »
Ok, inverted CCnG on black case.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #159 on: Sat, 16 March 2013, 16:20:44 »
Ok, inverted CCnG on black case.

You nailed it! Thank you.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #160 on: Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:20:58 »
Thank you kaporkle and Krogenar, the renders look amazing!


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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #161 on: Fri, 29 March 2013, 13:33:13 »
Oh damn, both of those combinations look fantastic.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #162 on: Fri, 29 March 2013, 17:40:29 »
Oh damn, both of those combinations look fantastic.

Just a heads up, the green is not as bright as they appear in those renderings. They're a bit darker, more greyish.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #163 on: Thu, 11 April 2013, 15:39:18 »
I haven't figured 100% out how this works. So, please let me know if there is additional information needed.

It would be wonderful to have basic render of this color combination with white colored legend. Thank you!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #164 on: Thu, 11 April 2013, 15:43:55 »
I haven't figured 100% out how this works. So, please let me know if there is additional information needed.

It would be wonderful to have basic render of this color combination with white colored legend. Thank you!
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #165 on: Thu, 11 April 2013, 16:05:41 »
Proactive limmy is proactive. And helpful! I hope that visualization can be a helpful tool to get more buyers!

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #166 on: Mon, 29 July 2013, 13:48:23 »
Hi kaporkle,

What software package are you using? I am currently learning how to use 3D Studio Max for architectural rendering and may be, if you can share your model data, I can contribute to this thread. This is an exciting idea, well done! If you can export your files in a universal format such as .obj (polygon format), then I can make use of your model :)

Thanks.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #167 on: Mon, 29 July 2013, 13:50:11 »
What program are you using for this?
Hi daerid, it's an animation package called Houdini. http://www.sidefx.com/

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #168 on: Tue, 06 August 2013, 09:56:10 »
If there were some free models of key caps and keyboard frames I could start work on a automated web app for this kind of thing.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #169 on: Tue, 06 August 2013, 09:59:11 »
If there were some free models of key caps and keyboard frames I could start work on a automated web app for this kind of thing.

What exactly do you need?

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #170 on: Tue, 06 August 2013, 10:01:42 »
This is more lifelike than my RF I'm typing on now :eek:
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #171 on: Tue, 06 August 2013, 10:56:38 »
If there were some free models of key caps and keyboard frames I could start work on a automated web app for this kind of thing.

What exactly do you need?

The individual keys in a format like .obj. They should be scaled correctly in relation to each other (think cherry units). I could try to mock up a prototype with crude keyboard and cap models. I could use webgl for instance (no rendering, but with a live preview  / editor)

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #172 on: Tue, 06 August 2013, 18:00:20 »
This is more lifelike than my RF I'm typing on now :eek:
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I wish my keycaps were as clean as these.

Er, kaporkle was going to set this up as a paid service - might be treading on his toes if someone setup the same thing for free.
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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #173 on: Sun, 15 September 2013, 13:33:43 »
Wow, this is very cool. I was just looking for something like this to mock up some key cap sets for Model Fs and Model Ms. here' hoping you find a chance to work on other keyboards.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #174 on: Tue, 10 January 2017, 17:10:42 »
I got a WASD gamer set from Signature Plastics that was a near perfect match for Tiffany turquoise.

Here are some pics:

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As you can see, Tiffany uses turquoise with black legends.  The Tiffany font is distinctive, and would be impossible to reproduce without paying $45 per keycap for Signature Plastics new legend fee.

Also Tiffany uses white as a modifier color, as you can see in the pics. 

As such, the colors of a "Breakfast on Fifth Avenue" set should include turquoise, black and possibly white.

I haven't worked out what would be the best combination of colors just yet, which is why i was excited to try your modeling to see how the various color combo's look.

Now I'm thinking the alpha keys should be black-on-turquoise, and the modifier keys should be turquoise-on-black.  Maybe the only place for turquoise-on-white would be the Esc key.

Here is a pic of a keyboard with a turquoise gamer WASD cluster:

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I found the RGB values for Tiffany Blue on this page:
http://blog.buyosphere.com/2012/05/tiffany-blue/
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According to Matt3o's color tool, the closest match is BEY.
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Now I'm thinking the alpha keys should be black-on-turquoise, and the modifier keys should be turquoise-on-black.  Maybe the only place for turquoise-on-white would be the Esc key.
Like this:
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Or this:
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I hope you don't mind eth0s, I took a little bit of liberty with the scheme taking into account what samwisekoi mentioned.

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I don't know about you but I like it. :}

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That oddly would be a great set. Reminds me a lot of what switch eventually came up with, but I didn't jump on that set because I wasn't a fan of the mixture there. Maybe some tweaking with more white, or keep it strictly Tiffany-esque if something like this would ever come to fruition.

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #175 on: Tue, 10 January 2017, 17:21:01 »
:facepalm:

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Re: CG visualization of key cap color combinations
« Reply #176 on: Tue, 10 January 2017, 17:29:35 »
:facepalm:

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