Thinkpads

[ideus]

A T460s will be delivered at my door, soon.

[Leslieann]

A 2nd Gen Intel I7 2630m which can be put into the T420 is faster and more powerful (by about 10%) than the process you get in the Lenovo Carbon X1, which uses a ULV processor. The Carbon does however have a better graphics chip and is a bit thinner and of course lighter, but also MUCH more expensive than just beefing up the T420.  See the important note at the end regarding high end ultrabooks*.


While most T420 are dog sh*t slow, it's usually a combination of easy to replace parts that cause it.
The stock ram in them was too little and garbage from day one, and the hard drive which was pedestrian at best in it's day is now not only worn and tired, but insanely slow and inefficient compared to todays SSDs.

Viva, what processor is in your 420?
The 420 is one of the last Thinkpads that you can still swap the processor and those processors are some of the last full power processors as well.  With an i7 and 16gb ram and an ssd, they are actually just about as fast and powerful as anything made in the last year or so, most of which are using low voltage processors.

I7 dual core  $45
16GB ram for about $70
SSD - $60
Basically for $175 you get a kick-@ss system that's cheap to repair if it breaks. A new OEM battery (not Chinese crap, $35) will get you between 5 and 6 hours of browsing when combined with an SSD and mild power tuning.

The high res screen (1600x900) is a drop in replacement ($55), and a mobo swap can get you a cheap Nvidia graphics card if you want but don't have it. I had one built this way, and while I think the screen and vid card were over-rated, the system was VERY fast, had good battery life and was capable of running Linux really well. It also had one of the best laptop keyboards made, and you can install open source bios. You can even install a quad core I7 processor for under $75. Wireless AC requires a bios mod and probably costs $10. It's probably the most adaptable and hackable laptop ever built.


If you do still want a replacement,
The question becomes, budget, screen size and intended purpose, but honestly, there is actually very little out there today that will make a built T420 look slow. While you will get more battery life, a touch screen and thinner system, in terms of power and speed, you won;t accomplish anything you couldn't do by just beefing up your T420.  Oh, and don't forget, the T420 is a matte screen, the touch screen will be glossy.


Note:
*I happen to love the Carbon, but be careful who you buy from, and make sure it can be returned as many suffer coil whine. VERY, VERY loud whine, more like a scream! Some vendors, including Lenovo can be problematic in getting them to fix it, trying to claim it's not a problem or an inconvenience. I dealt with one and you could hear the whine throughout an entire 3500sq ft. home. So you want to buy from someone you can return it without hassle. Keep in mind that it's not the only laptop of it's style and generation with the problem, Dell especially also has a few models with coil whine complaints.

[ReverbSlush]

T440 and T520 here. Mine are work issued and I don't think our dept cares too much about espionage.  If they steal my code maybe the could help fix it for me

My T520 has the light over the monitor... it's easy to find in the dark (top right corner pgUp and bottom left corner FN).  I use it way more than I thought I would when I got the laptop.

Oh yeah, I also have an old thinkpad somewhere in the basement... maybe 10 years old or more?  I'll dig it out someday and see if I can get it running.  Last time I remember messing with it, the battery was shot and I didn't have the right power cord.

[Flyersfan1]

Excited to see what Lenovo has in store for CES

ever since their blog post on the "retro thinkpad" focus group, I've been keeping an eye out for any developments! I'm seriously going to consider a T series after the lineup gets refreshed!

[vivalarevolución]

Thanks for the reply, Leslieann.

-I have an i5-2520M.  I should have figured that the processor can be replaced, as the M denotes that it is socketed.  A quad-core sounds nice, because I have hit the limits of the capabilities of dual core laptop processors.  I wonder how well this laptop can cool a quad core laptop processor.  Oh great, plenty of Youtube videos about that.
-I have 8GB of aftermarket RAM I installed and that is enough for what I do at the moment.
-The HDD is original and definitely could benefit with an SSD in their.
-I would like a better screen, and I probably can look up a video about how to replace it on Youtube.
-This baby definitely needs a new battery, that is for sure.

Maybe I'll just do all that and save myself some cash.  The T420 is the last of its breed and I like it. 

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A 2nd Gen Intel I7 2630m which can be put into the T420 is faster and more powerful (by about 10%) than the process you get in the Lenovo Carbon X1, which uses a ULV processor. The Carbon does however have a better graphics chip and is a bit thinner and of course lighter, but also MUCH more expensive than just beefing up the T420.  See the important note at the end regarding high end ultrabooks*.


While most T420 are dog sh*t slow, it's usually a combination of easy to replace parts that cause it.
The stock ram in them was too little and garbage from day one, and the hard drive which was pedestrian at best in it's day is now not only worn and tired, but insanely slow and inefficient compared to todays SSDs.

Viva, what processor is in your 420?
The 420 is one of the last Thinkpads that you can still swap the processor and those processors are some of the last full power processors as well.  With an i7 and 16gb ram and an ssd, they are actually just about as fast and powerful as anything made in the last year or so, most of which are using low voltage processors.

I7 dual core  $45
16GB ram for about $70
SSD - $60
Basically for $175 you get a kick-@ss system that's cheap to repair if it breaks. A new OEM battery (not Chinese crap, $35) will get you between 5 and 6 hours of browsing when combined with an SSD and mild power tuning.

The high res screen (1600x900) is a drop in replacement ($55), and a mobo swap can get you a cheap Nvidia graphics card if you want but don't have it. I had one built this way, and while I think the screen and vid card were over-rated, the system was VERY fast, had good battery life and was capable of running Linux really well. It also had one of the best laptop keyboards made, and you can install open source bios. You can even install a quad core I7 processor for under $75. Wireless AC requires a bios mod and probably costs $10. It's probably the most adaptable and hackable laptop ever built.


If you do still want a replacement,
The question becomes, budget, screen size and intended purpose, but honestly, there is actually very little out there today that will make a built T420 look slow. While you will get more battery life, a touch screen and thinner system, in terms of power and speed, you won;t accomplish anything you couldn't do by just beefing up your T420.  Oh, and don't forget, the T420 is a matte screen, the touch screen will be glossy.


Note:
*I happen to love the Carbon, but be careful who you buy from, and make sure it can be returned as many suffer coil whine. VERY, VERY loud whine, more like a scream! Some vendors, including Lenovo can be problematic in getting them to fix it, trying to claim it's not a problem or an inconvenience. I dealt with one and you could hear the whine throughout an entire 3500sq ft. home. So you want to buy from someone you can return it without hassle. Keep in mind that it's not the only laptop of it's style and generation with the problem, Dell especially also has a few models with coil whine complaints.

[Leslieann]

You're welcome.

The 2520 isn't terrible, but it's certainly not great either.
I would start with the ssd with fresh install and go from there, I think you will be quite surprised at how it wakes up the system. It's shocking how it can transform a system and you will NEVER go back after having one. I'd recommend a low power model from Crucial, some will tell you get a faster one from them or Samsung, but while the speed difference isn't really noticeable, the power requirements and price increase certainly are. Being a power hungry system, you will get more from an efficiency model, my X220 gained about 25% battery life switching to a low power ssd over the stock HDD. Any modern SSD makes ANY old hard drive look pathetic in terms of performance and battery life.

There are rumors that the T430 fan will work in the 20, may be something to look into.

[tp4tissue]

Thanks for the reply, Leslieann.

-I have an i5-2520M.  I should have figured that the processor can be replaced, as the M denotes that it is socketed.  A quad-core sounds nice, because I have hit the limits of the capabilities of dual core laptop processors.  I wonder how well this laptop can cool a quad core laptop processor.  Oh great, plenty of Youtube videos about that.
-I have 8GB of aftermarket RAM I installed and that is enough for what I do at the moment.
-The HDD is original and definitely could benefit with an SSD in their.
-I would like a better screen, and I probably can look up a video about how to replace it on Youtube.
-This baby definitely needs a new battery, that is for sure.

Maybe I'll just do all that and save myself some cash.  The T420 is the last of its breed and I like it. 

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A 2nd Gen Intel I7 2630m which can be put into the T420 is faster and more powerful (by about 10%) than the process you get in the Lenovo Carbon X1, which uses a ULV processor. The Carbon does however have a better graphics chip and is a bit thinner and of course lighter, but also MUCH more expensive than just beefing up the T420.  See the important note at the end regarding high end ultrabooks*.


While most T420 are dog sh*t slow, it's usually a combination of easy to replace parts that cause it.
The stock ram in them was too little and garbage from day one, and the hard drive which was pedestrian at best in it's day is now not only worn and tired, but insanely slow and inefficient compared to todays SSDs.

Viva, what processor is in your 420?
The 420 is one of the last Thinkpads that you can still swap the processor and those processors are some of the last full power processors as well.  With an i7 and 16gb ram and an ssd, they are actually just about as fast and powerful as anything made in the last year or so, most of which are using low voltage processors.

I7 dual core  $45
16GB ram for about $70
SSD - $60
Basically for $175 you get a kick-@ss system that's cheap to repair if it breaks. A new OEM battery (not Chinese crap, $35) will get you between 5 and 6 hours of browsing when combined with an SSD and mild power tuning.

The high res screen (1600x900) is a drop in replacement ($55), and a mobo swap can get you a cheap Nvidia graphics card if you want but don't have it. I had one built this way, and while I think the screen and vid card were over-rated, the system was VERY fast, had good battery life and was capable of running Linux really well. It also had one of the best laptop keyboards made, and you can install open source bios. You can even install a quad core I7 processor for under $75. Wireless AC requires a bios mod and probably costs $10. It's probably the most adaptable and hackable laptop ever built.


If you do still want a replacement,
The question becomes, budget, screen size and intended purpose, but honestly, there is actually very little out there today that will make a built T420 look slow. While you will get more battery life, a touch screen and thinner system, in terms of power and speed, you won;t accomplish anything you couldn't do by just beefing up your T420.  Oh, and don't forget, the T420 is a matte screen, the touch screen will be glossy.


Note:
*I happen to love the Carbon, but be careful who you buy from, and make sure it can be returned as many suffer coil whine. VERY, VERY loud whine, more like a scream! Some vendors, including Lenovo can be problematic in getting them to fix it, trying to claim it's not a problem or an inconvenience. I dealt with one and you could hear the whine throughout an entire 3500sq ft. home. So you want to buy from someone you can return it without hassle. Keep in mind that it's not the only laptop of it's style and generation with the problem, Dell especially also has a few models with coil whine complaints.

2520m isn't usually socketed on most laptops.

Buhhhhhhhhhhhh I've heard that if you got a reflow station... it may be possible to swap out for the i7 equivalent.


You need one of those solderball rigs to do that though..  it's a non trivial task.

[vivalarevolución]

I haven't checked the processor on this laptop.  I'll get to that.  I'm actually surprised that I haven't dug that far into the internals yet.

On another note, a couple forum threads noted that a quad core in this machine runs hot, but there might be some ways to keep it throttled down through software (which I don't know yet).

I'm tempted by the T460p, because it seems like a sub-$1000 beast of a laptop with some features the T420 simply can't beat (WQHD screen and thinner, lighter profile, even if performance gains are not that substantial).  Those things factor in for me.

[Leslieann]

2520m isn't usually socketed on most laptops.
Buhhhhhhhhhhhh I've heard that if you got a reflow station... it may be possible to swap out for the i7 equivalent.
You need one of those solderball rigs to do that though..  it's a non trivial task.

It's socketed.
Being labeled an M has nothing to do with how it's mounted, only that it's a mobile processor rather than desktop. Some processors such as the 2520m are available in socketed and BGA (soldered). Besides having owned and worked on several T420's, an easy way to check is to simply go check Ebay for T420 motherboards.

You can think Intel for the screwy labeling, they feel confusing people is good for business, and I guess it is since people think the new Macbook (which uses an M5 processor) is a replacement for the Macbook Air (Core I5U and I7U) it must be working.*


*M3 and M5 are barely a step up from an Atom, even an i3 will wipe the floor with an M5.

[vivalarevolución]

Yea, the processor is socketed and i was able to remove it.  The hard part will be the display, requires a great deal more steps and finesse.

I've had a few SSDs in the past, I'm familiar with the instant change in performance.  I did not even know there were differences in the power usage of SSDs.

[CSCoder4ever]

I had a thinkpad edge 13 w/ a core 2 duo SU7300 for a while, but it wasn't good enough for my liking. That's why now I am rocking an X220 I bought from ebay over the summer 

[bexleycorona]

Started with a T40, then T61 (I think that was the model), and now a T430.

I've upgraded the ram to 12 GB (8GB in 1 slot and original 4GB in the other). The HDD was taken out and replaced with a SSD.

Honestly, it's enough for my needs. If this thing lasts another 2-3 years then I'll be happy

[Leslieann]

Yea, the processor is socketed and i was able to remove it.  The hard part will be the display, requires a great deal more steps and finesse.

I've had a few SSDs in the past, I'm familiar with the instant change in performance.  I did not even know there were differences in the power usage of SSDs.

The only delicate part is the connector behind the lcd, otherwise, piece of cake. Just pry the tape up slow and easy. If you damage the cable(unlikely), you can get one on Ebay for a couple bucks. It's the lcd side of the connector you need to be careful of, and since you would be replacing that, it's not a big deal. It's a 10-15 minute job at most.

I admit, it's not as easy as an SSD swap, but I've actually had far more trouble with flip open latches on keyboard and LCD connectors as of late  on Asus, Toshiba and Fujitsu laptops and tablets. The plastics they used for them become quite brittle as they age. The first time I blamed myself thinking I did something wrong, but when it happened a third time, in a way I hadn't even put pressure on, I knew it wasn't anything I did. 

[tp4tissue]

I had a thinkpad edge 13 w/ a core 2 duo SU7300 for a while, but it wasn't good enough for my liking. That's why now I am rocking an X220 I bought from ebay over the summer 

But did you upgrade to 16GB 1866mhz RAM.. for m0re Fastness. ??

x220 4ever 

[tp4tissue]

Yea, the processor is socketed and i was able to remove it.  The hard part will be the display, requires a great deal more steps and finesse.

I've had a few SSDs in the past, I'm familiar with the instant change in performance.  I did not even know there were differences in the power usage of SSDs.

The only delicate part is the connector behind the lcd, otherwise, piece of cake. Just pry the tape up slow and easy. If you damage the cable(unlikely), you can get one on Ebay for a couple bucks. It's the lcd side of the connector you need to be careful of, and since you would be replacing that, it's not a big deal. It's a 10-15 minute job at most.

I admit, it's not as easy as an SSD swap, but I've actually had far more trouble with flip open latches on keyboard and LCD connectors as of late  on Asus, Toshiba and Fujitsu laptops and tablets. The plastics they used for them become quite brittle as they age. The first time I blamed myself thinking I did something wrong, but when it happened a third time, in a way I hadn't even put pressure on, I knew it wasn't anything I did. 

Well there's also the bezel infront of the lcd.. That thing is hard to get off because it's quite delicate..  Easily broken if you're not careful..

[Leslieann]

Yea, the processor is socketed and i was able to remove it.  The hard part will be the display, requires a great deal more steps and finesse.

I've had a few SSDs in the past, I'm familiar with the instant change in performance.  I did not even know there were differences in the power usage of SSDs.

The only delicate part is the connector behind the lcd, otherwise, piece of cake. Just pry the tape up slow and easy. If you damage the cable(unlikely), you can get one on Ebay for a couple bucks. It's the lcd side of the connector you need to be careful of, and since you would be replacing that, it's not a big deal. It's a 10-15 minute job at most.

I admit, it's not as easy as an SSD swap, but I've actually had far more trouble with flip open latches on keyboard and LCD connectors as of late  on Asus, Toshiba and Fujitsu laptops and tablets. The plastics they used for them become quite brittle as they age. The first time I blamed myself thinking I did something wrong, but when it happened a third time, in a way I hadn't even put pressure on, I knew it wasn't anything I did. 

Well there's also the bezel infront of the lcd.. That thing is hard to get off because it's quite delicate..  Easily broken if you're not careful..

Easy peasy.
It's been a while but I do remember the X220 which is similar...

Remove the screws, then pry from INSIDE. Slide a spudger/fingernail/etc... between the LCD and the bezel and pull towards you. It pops right off.
If you try and pull from the outer edge in, you are working against the locking, tabs, inside out pops them open.

[wodan]

World war 2 was won heavily based on the fact we where able to decrypt their telegraphs and radio signals.

Nothing is safe!

That's the US/UK point of view, greatly bloating a very clever technical triumph

Take a look at fallen.io and you will realize the war was won in the east. Paid with millions of Russian lives...

The impression that Germany was beaten by cracking their codes and bombing their cities is a misconception that affects military doctrine to this day.

[ideus]

World war 2 was won heavily based on the fact we where able to decrypt their telegraphs and radio signals.

Nothing is safe!

That's the US/UK point of view, greatly bloating a very clever technical triumph

Take a look at fallen.io and you will realize the war was won in the east. Paid with millions of Russian lives...

The impression that Germany was beaten by cracking their codes and bombing their cities is a misconception that affects military doctrine to this day.

War is far more complex than a simple recollection of facts; even more, when those facts are taken out of its original context. It is also true that winners tend to make their versions to look factual. WW2 was one of the most chaotic times in worldwide history, even today, I am not sure that someone has reached a full understanding of everything that happened.

[CSCoder4ever]

I had a thinkpad edge 13 w/ a core 2 duo SU7300 for a while, but it wasn't good enough for my liking. That's why now I am rocking an X220 I bought from ebay over the summer 

But did you upgrade to 16GB 1866mhz RAM.. for m0re Fastness. ??

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that's my ideapad :D
My thinkpad just has 6GB of RAM since it's better than 4 at the very least. And of course an SSD makes anything faster   ;D

[tp4tissue]

I had a thinkpad edge 13 w/ a core 2 duo SU7300 for a while, but it wasn't good enough for my liking. That's why now I am rocking an X220 I bought from ebay over the summer 

But did you upgrade to 16GB 1866mhz RAM.. for m0re Fastness. ??

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x220 4ever 


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that's my ideapad :D
My thinkpad just has 6GB of RAM since it's better than 4 at the very least. And of course an SSD makes anything faster   ;D

X220 really needs 1866 imho,  because it not only speeds --general reactive performance--,  it actually speeds up the Graphics as well, because the Integrated graphics utilizes the onboard DDR3 ram.

So, on the recent bioses they locked the ram to 1333,  which we all know (specific to the sandybridge platform) takes a severe performance impact  relative to 1600,  even more so vs 1866

[digi]

You guys remember the butterfly? Ah the memories..

[menuhin]

You guys remember the butterfly? Ah the memories..

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It's called and well-known as the "the butterfly keyboard". But after viewing this Gif for a while, I think it should be called the "ThinkPad Sneaky keyboard".  :p

[digi]

You guys remember the butterfly? Ah the memories..

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It's called and well-known as the "the butterfly keyboard". But after viewing this Gif for a while, I think it should be called the "ThinkPad Sneaky keyboard".  :p

Indeed, I want one just to open and close it all day and never turn it on..

[tp4tissue]

You guys remember the butterfly? Ah the memories..

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It's called and well-known as the "the butterfly keyboard". But after viewing this Gif for a while, I think it should be called the "ThinkPad Sneaky keyboard".  :p

Indeed, I want one just to open and close it all day and never turn it on..

It's one of those things..  where you look at it.. and you're like..  oh yea.. mmm hmmm..  this is it..  I need this in my life..  Nothing else matters.

[CSCoder4ever]

X220 really needs 1866 imho,  because it not only speeds --general reactive performance--,  it actually speeds up the Graphics as well, because the Integrated graphics utilizes the onboard DDR3 ram.

So, on the recent bioses they locked the ram to 1333,  which we all know (specific to the sandybridge platform) takes a severe performance impact  relative to 1600,  even more so vs 1866

if I didn't have any other laptop, I'd be inclined to agree and add faster & more RAM, but for running *nixes, it does the job well enough.

[digi]

It's one of those things..  where you look at it.. and you're like..  oh yea.. mmm hmmm..  this is it..  I need this in my life..  Nothing else matters.

that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..

[tp4tissue]

It's one of those things..  where you look at it.. and you're like..  oh yea.. mmm hmmm..  this is it..  I need this in my life..  Nothing else matters.

that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..

Look at it this way.. @ least u are not a #Ronery4ever permanent member..

[digi]

It's one of those things..  where you look at it.. and you're like..  oh yea.. mmm hmmm..  this is it..  I need this in my life..  Nothing else matters.

that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..

Look at it this way.. @ least u are not a #Ronery4ever permanent member..

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Tp4 = Psychiatrist Consulting Services LLC, I'll be looking forward to a new guide in your signature!

[tp4tissue]

It's one of those things..  where you look at it.. and you're like..  oh yea.. mmm hmmm..  this is it..  I need this in my life..  Nothing else matters.

that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..

Look at it this way.. @ least u are not a #Ronery4ever permanent member..

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 :))

Tp4 = Psychiatrist Consulting Services LLC, I'll be looking forward to a new guide in your signature!

Perhaps a , How-to-be-#Ronery, guide.

[digi]

It's one of those things..  where you look at it.. and you're like..  oh yea.. mmm hmmm..  this is it..  I need this in my life..  Nothing else matters.

that is exactly why I have to stay away from Slicksdeals, all I do is order stuff I don't need...I'm so empty inside TP, comfort me, hold me, love me..

Look at it this way.. @ least u are not a #Ronery4ever permanent member..

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 :))

Tp4 = Psychiatrist Consulting Services LLC, I'll be looking forward to a new guide in your signature!

Perhaps a , How-to-be-#Ronery, guide.

Do it! #gofundme

[mike52787]

Still on the x230, Thinking about buying an x1 carbon or x260, but too expensive for my current situation. The x230 still works great for my needs, All I need my laptop to be is indestructible, and the x230 fulfills that well.

[menuhin]

A FHD modded linux-based X220 is still on my list.
I can always send heavy jobs to the clusters.

These mods are everywhere, but sadly, only 1 person is working on a mod that support the docking station, so that when the laptop is docked multiple-monitors will still be supported.

[tp4tissue]

Still on the x230, Thinking about buying an x1 carbon or x260, but too expensive for my current situation. The x230 still works great for my needs, All I need my laptop to be is indestructible, and the x230 fulfills that well.

they are not indestructible.. Only panasonic toughbook remotely has (drop) durability.

x series are made from crispy aluminum alloy + plastic

[menuhin]

Still on the x230, Thinking about buying an x1 carbon or x260, but too expensive for my current situation. The x230 still works great for my needs, All I need my laptop to be is indestructible, and the x230 fulfills that well.

they are not indestructible.. Only panasonic toughbook remotely has (drop) durability.

x series are made from crispy aluminum alloy + plastic

Doesn't X series also have the magnesium alloy roll cage like the T series?
But anyways, I dropped my ThinkPads (T and X) many times, and even when the roll cage might have protected the motherboard, the plastic outer shield corners of the laptops did get dents and chipped. I thought about getting a Toughbook CF-T7, but looking at the specs I can get for the money, and the lack of a Trackpoint, I remained a ThinkPad user.
What 'worry' me is the apparent change of engineering implementation in the Trackpoint from X250 and T450 - users reported the new Trackpoint being less sensitive.

I would be cool to use a full-rugged Toughbook model when I am wearing military uniform and fighting on the correct side of history, not for the profit of the military complex.

[tp4tissue]

Still on the x230, Thinking about buying an x1 carbon or x260, but too expensive for my current situation. The x230 still works great for my needs, All I need my laptop to be is indestructible, and the x230 fulfills that well.

they are not indestructible.. Only panasonic toughbook remotely has (drop) durability.

x series are made from crispy aluminum alloy + plastic

Doesn't X series also have the magnesium alloy roll cage like the T series?
But anyways, I dropped my ThinkPads (T and X) many times, and even when the roll cage might have protected the motherboard, the plastic outer shield corners of the laptops did get dents and chipped. I thought about getting a Toughbook CF-T7, but looking at the specs I can get for the money, and the lack of a Trackpoint, I remained a ThinkPad user.
What 'worry' me is the apparent change of engineering implementation in the Trackpoint from X250 and T450 - users reported the new Trackpoint being less sensitive.

I would be cool to use a full-rugged Toughbook model when I am wearing military uniform and fighting on the correct side of history, not for the profit of the military complex.

magnesium/ aluminum alloy usually means the same thing. I use them interchangeably..


They're really right next to each other.. but yes, some thinkpads have magnesium for weigh.



As for  Military industrial complex..

You couldn't be more off about that..   The best thing that could happen to Germany, is those terrorists moving closer, giving them the Perfect excuse to re-militarize..



EVERY world power was won and built at the end of a barrel.. 

There is no right/ wrong...  it's a matter of having the choice to fight..

And the fact that the outcome of wwii has surpressed that for the axis,  is seed for WWIII..

Just as unresolved tensions from WWI , reparations/ economic inflation pressures.. caused WWII

[menuhin]

bnd cia mossad are from the same pack, nothing has changed since WWII.
Germany sold Dolphin-class nuclear-capable submarines to Israel and the most advanced tanks to the ME lightning fast without any public discussion.
Remains of the 6 millions have yet to be found, it's one of the biggest unsolved mystery of modern history. But for sure it is the truth, everyone publicly questioned it or asked for the evidence through official channels were taken to prison.

I live in Germany, Germans are sometimes cold and remote, lacking a sense of humor but it doesn't mean I cannot be kind to them. They are nice in nature but they're taught to hate themselves from very young age with at least 2 years of brainwashing bombardment - all state funded. Those who didn't believe their grandparents were mass murderers and went seek out evidence with their chemistry and engineering degrees found something else they cannot really say. War history movies stereotyping Germany along the official narrative is the best formula to win Oscar awards. Most of the Germans have serious self-hate and country-identity complex, until the time of world cup or the Euro cup.

War is a great way to generate profit, that's a working formula since the Great Depression. Military grade > industrial grade > domestic grade. That's why DARPA are still having some of the coolest projects in the world.
If I work on the DARPA Grand Challenge, I would need a Toughbook.

Since Lenovo has taken over, it seems that institutions in Germany are switching to Fujitsu. Yet, ThinkPad + Linux is still a very popular combination here.

[ideus]

bnd cia mossad are from the same pack, nothing has changed since WWII.
Germany sold nuclear submarines to Israel and the most advanced tanks to the ME lightning fast without any public discussion.
Remains of the 6 millions have yet to be found, it's one of the biggest unsolved mystery of modern history. But for sure it is the truth, everyone publicly questioned it or asked for the evidence through official channels were taken to prison.

I live in Germany, Germans are sometimes cold and remote, lacking a sense of humor but it doesn't mean I cannot be kind to them. They are nice in nature but they're taught to hate themselves from very young age with at least 2 years of brainwashing bombardment - all state funded. Those who didn't believe their grandparents were mass murderers and went seek out evidence with their chemistry and engineering degrees found something else they cannot really say. Most of them have serious self-hate and country-identity complex, until the world cup or the Euro cup.

War is a great way to generate profit, that's a working formula since the Great Depression. Military grade > industrial grade > domestic grade. That's why DARPA are still having some of the coolest projects in the world.
If I work on the DARPA Grand Challenge, I would need a Toughbook.

Since Lenovo has taken over, it seems that institutions in Germany are switching to Fujitsu. Yet, ThinkPad + Linux is still a very popular combination here.

Today, I learned something on a culture I respect, I have to make my own research on your explanation.

[tp4tissue]

bnd cia mossad are from the same pack, nothing has changed since WWII.
Germany sold nuclear submarines to Israel and the most advanced tanks to the ME lightning fast without any public discussion.
Remains of the 6 millions have yet to be found, it's one of the biggest unsolved mystery of modern history. But for sure it is the truth, everyone publicly questioned it or asked for the evidence through official channels were taken to prison.

I live in Germany, Germans are sometimes cold and remote, lacking a sense of humor but it doesn't mean I cannot be kind to them. They are nice in nature but they're taught to hate themselves from very young age with at least 2 years of brainwashing bombardment - all state funded. Those who didn't believe their grandparents were mass murderers and went seek out evidence with their chemistry and engineering degrees found something else they cannot really say. War history movies stereotyping Germany along the official narrative is the best formula to win Oscar awards. Most of the Germans have serious self-hate and country-identity complex, until the time of world cup or the Euro cup.

War is a great way to generate profit, that's a working formula since the Great Depression. Military grade > industrial grade > domestic grade. That's why DARPA are still having some of the coolest projects in the world.
If I work on the DARPA Grand Challenge, I would need a Toughbook.

Since Lenovo has taken over, it seems that institutions in Germany are switching to Fujitsu. Yet, ThinkPad + Linux is still a very popular combination here.

Yes that's exactly the problem I'm talking about.

Germans are driven and obsessive.. Now the world gives them major psychological trauma just like post wwi...

I fear that one day,  the switch in their ideology flips too quickly,  and they decide,  **** everyone,  We're going to stop making BMWs and just blow the world up and start over.


Overnight they convert their industrial facilities , roll out a bunch of high yield doomsdays, and booom..  the radiation cloud within 3 months travel the world. 98% of the human population is dead or dying.



I think lenovo is a good choice if you want a clean no gimmick machine..   But depending on what type of programmer you are, if you're a grunt programmer, it doesn't matter,   but if you're a developer,  prolly want a macbook just to make life easier.

[vivalarevolución]

Anyways, i just realized that I could buy a W520 or T520 with a quad core and nicer screen rather than try to stuff everything into this T420 and worry about heat issues.  Those are built for a quad core and I would appreciate the bigger screen.

[Flyersfan1]

Won't be long now! I'm really curious if we'll see a ThinkPad retro unveiling.  I think the response to it has been far too large to Lenovo to ignore.  Either way, I'm excited for a thunderbolt 3 t470!

https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5gva9l/the_wait_is_almost_over_thinkpad_2017_press/

[tp4tissue]

I'm getting ready to be disappointed.. because I have been disappointed since the x240 and x250 nad x260

[vivalarevolución]

Won't be long now! I'm really curious if we'll see a ThinkPad retro unveiling.  I think the response to it has been far too large to Lenovo to ignore.  Either way, I'm excited for a thunderbolt 3 t470!

https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/5gva9l/the_wait_is_almost_over_thinkpad_2017_press/

Why can't we just go back to good and not have to call it retro.

[nmur]

what's the best "old" (pre-lenovo?) thinkpad?

i have an X41 with all the bells and whistles (former work laptop) running arch but it's like 11 years old now so it's just not cutting it for most things

[sth]

what's the best "old" (pre-lenovo?) thinkpad?

i have an X41 with all the bells and whistles (former work laptop) running arch but it's like 11 years old now so it's just not cutting it for most things

x41s are awesome but i hate the screen resolution.

try to get an x301 on ebay, you should be able to get one for well under 200 bucks. upgrade the RAM and get an mSATA to SATA adapter, then you can use high capacity mSATA storage.
lotta resources here: http://x301.mcdonnelltech.com

[nmur]

what's the best "old" (pre-lenovo?) thinkpad?

i have an X41 with all the bells and whistles (former work laptop) running arch but it's like 11 years old now so it's just not cutting it for most things

x41s are awesome but i hate the screen resolution.

try to get an x301 on ebay, you should be able to get one for well under 200 bucks. upgrade the RAM and get an mSATA to SATA adapter, then you can use high capacity mSATA storage.
lotta resources here: http://x301.mcdonnelltech.com

cheers dude, that looks pretty sweet

i actually don't mind low resolutions, gives me an actual reason to use some cool 9pt monospace fonts

[sth]

what's the best "old" (pre-lenovo?) thinkpad?

i have an X41 with all the bells and whistles (former work laptop) running arch but it's like 11 years old now so it's just not cutting it for most things

x41s are awesome but i hate the screen resolution.

try to get an x301 on ebay, you should be able to get one for well under 200 bucks. upgrade the RAM and get an mSATA to SATA adapter, then you can use high capacity mSATA storage.
lotta resources here: http://x301.mcdonnelltech.com

cheers dude, that looks pretty sweet

i actually don't mind low resolutions, gives me an actual reason to use some cool 9pt monospace fonts

in that case there's always the x6x series- it's lenovo but really similar to x40. nothing will beat the x40s though. i just wish it was easier to pop in a different panel.

[davkol]

Look up X62. There are some guys in China doing drop-in guts for X61.

[sth]

Look up X62. There are some guys in China doing drop-in guts for X61.

**** im actually interested in something you have to say 

[tp4tissue]

sigh.... you guyz are wasting ur time..  all that  --old stuff-- is c2d... slow as molasses...

[sth]

sigh.... you guyz are wasting ur time..  all that  --old stuff-- is c2d... slow as molasses...

your priorities are stupid 100% of the time