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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting_n_2300831.html

All on and off-duty CT police called to the scene.

I have no words. 
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:48:10 »
What a horrible, horrible tragedy. Can't imagine how sick one has to be to do something like this.

Inevitably gun control will be discussed. My thoughts are thus: if concealed carry by responsible faculty/admin was allowed, some of these deaths could have arguably been avoided. I feel the same way about Columbine and many other school shootings.

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:48:39 »
Reading about this on CNN. This is a very very sad and ****ed up.

My condolences goes out to all of the families affected by this.
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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:51:42 »
Reading about this on CNN. This is a very very sad and ****ed up.

My condolences goes out to all of the families affected by this.

Agreed. Absolutely devastating and this will be a very difficult thing to recover from.

Speaking from personal experience, recovery will be a journey. Not a destination.

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:55:22 »
These are children.  The essence of innocence...

Still at a loss for words... this is just too awful, and too close to home.

And to think of all the children that witnessed this...
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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:57:05 »
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:58:11 »
They will need counseling for many years. No doubt of that.

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:59:04 »
Some friends in the CT area posted about this earlier... such a shame, this close to the holidays... Thoughts go out to the families..


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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:03:23 »
Any if they got the shooter(s)?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1
Shooter is dead, another person potentially involved is in custody.

Local radio station 99.1 WPLR is covering the story live.

http://streaming.wplr.com/_players/coxradio/index.php?callsign=WPLRFM

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:06:50 »
Latest news is that an entire class is still unaccounted for...
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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:09:33 »
Latest news is that an entire class is still unaccounted for...

WTF...streaming the station in a few minutes
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:09:46 »
I hate it when they commit suicide the moment they meet resistance. They deserve so much more.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:11:05 »
I hate it when they commit suicide the moment they meet resistance. They deserve so much more.

He's dead.  May his soul burn in hell for all eternity...
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:12:47 »
Thanks for the radio link. Good way to hear some local stuff

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:18:14 »
This is scary enough for all the adults involved, I can't imagine what the kids are going through...
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 14:09:25 »
Man I have a kid in kindergarden.  This is so disturbing.  Makes me want to lock him in the house.

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 14:18:50 »
Jesus... condolences to the families...

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 14:25:11 »
What is wrong with the world today.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 14:54:40 »
Nothing to be said about this that everybody else isn't thinking already. This person (man, presumably) must have been severely disturbed.

I'm just wondering how he killed nearly 30 people. Had to be premeditated.
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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 15:08:13 »
Man I have a kid in kindergarden.  This is so disturbing.  Makes me want to lock him in the house.

same here.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 15:15:09 »
This is just too horrible. It's crazy there are sick people like this out there.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 15:22:00 »
this is absolutely horrible. There is nothing that can even be said for those poor kids and their family. As a father with young kids, it is just unbelievable to think something like this would ever happen in an elementary school. I'm just sick thinking about this
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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:47:59 »
My thoughts and prayers are with the childrens' and teachers' families who were involved in this horrific event.

Every time I hear of these school shootings, I keep thinking...this kind of stuff never used to happen. A friend of mine even brought his gun to school back in the 1950's to go hunting during recess.  Nobody could even imagine such a sickening tragedy as this. The cause? I'm sure there's a million of 'em. There is no simple solution for a problem such as this. But I do feel that if at least a few members of the school staff were armed and properly trained with weapons, the death toll could have been much less. Schools here in America are absolutely defenseless with the way they handle weapons.

Something big needs to change in the way schools work to prevent to these events. Their current policy just simply does now work. Schools have suspended and expelled children for having images of guns, lego guns, origami knives, plastic swords...how many of killings have those actions prevented? Lego guns don't kill people; criminals and madmen armed with real ones do. How many more children do we need to watch be killed in order to do something? How many bright futures of people do we need to watch be destroyed? Just think about that.
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 18:15:31 »
Seriously, shut up about the politics behind this.  That's the last thing we should be discussing right now.  The families of the 26 innocent people killed today is all that should be on our minds.
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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 19:28:53 »
This is just too horrible. It's crazy there are sick people like this out there.

what's crazy is there is no help for these sick people.

also what needs to change is how the news handles this.

we do not need 24 hours of coverage. we do not need to know the last thing the shooter ate, how many times he took a **** that day and need less crap they bring up for the sake of ratings.



the news makes these shooters out as quick celebrities. and kids/adults see this as a way of making a name fpr themselves. the video explain exactly what is wrong with the coverage. also this quote from Ebert:

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Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about 'Basketball Diaries'?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.
The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."
In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 19:31:06 »
This is horrible. Let those poor children rest in peace.
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 19:54:26 »
I live very close to the area of the shooting, and until now, Newtown CT was considered very safe. This is truly devastating news. There are no words.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:06:03 »
As another person that lives right down the road from Newtown, this has changed nothing about my idea of Newtown's 'safeness' level.  It also doesn't change how I feel in my own town.  These are the kinds of events that do not in any way reflect the type of town they end up happening in.

The unfortunate truth is that while the security *standards* at schools in this area have been enough to stop this from happening for some time now, the level of compliance by those responsible is lacking.  The doors are locked and you must get buzzed in by the secretary, but quite often they don't pay attention to who is at the door.
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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:33:50 »
Hmm... They always seem to be after really young children.. You'd think that losing PHD math students would be more devastating to society...

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:37:21 »
For all you know we just lost some. 
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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:39:22 »
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:42:15 »
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference

complete removal of human beings would've made a huge difference

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:46:32 »
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference

not true.

better gun control would help. but removable wouldn't.
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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:53:38 »
For all you know we just lost some. 

HIGHLY unlikely.....  However if they shot up the math department of any ivyleague, that would be certain lose of immense brain power.

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:55:34 »
it's like you go out of your way to be a complete jackass tp4.
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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:06:17 »
Its not his fault he doesn't "feel" anything.
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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:10:39 »
As another person that lives right down the road from Newtown, this has changed nothing about my idea of Newtown's 'safeness' level.  It also doesn't change how I feel in my own town.  These are the kinds of events that do not in any way reflect the type of town they end up happening in.

The unfortunate truth is that while the security *standards* at schools in this area have been enough to stop this from happening for some time now, the level of compliance by those responsible is lacking.  The doors are locked and you must get buzzed in by the secretary, but quite often they don't pay attention to who is at the door.

I would think that unless the standards actually included compulsory pat downs, he still would have had little trouble getting into the school as he was a son of one of the teachers, correct?  I don't know about you, but when I visit my mom at work, I'm recognized and associated with familiar and safe.  /shrug

Things should be scrutinized, of course, but this seems more like a freak occurrence than a complete failure of a system put in place.

For all you know we just lost some. 

HIGHLY unlikely.....  However if they shot up the math department of any ivyleague, that would be certain lose of immense brain power.

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:12:23 »
His mom wasn't at work, turns out the body at home was mom. 
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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:17:13 »
His mom wasn't at work, turns out the body at home was mom.

Sure, and again, this isn't a justification for lax security, but it's easy for him to say "Yeah, my mom asked me to grab some things from her classroom, she's not feeling well, she asked me to get x for her"

I don't watch any news (I don't have any tv service, in fact) and I try to avoid news feeds as I end up in the comments and those are about /b levels of ignorance at best, but my roommate had a theory that seems to ring true; What would be the easiest way to hurt his mom the most?  Go after her class.

This man seems to have been very broken and now because of the tragedy that he's unleashed, people need to make sense of it, which is part of the deconstruction process of the 24/7 news cycle.  That and the fact that fears sells better than anything else ever.

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:18:32 »
Very broken since she was dead before he went after the class so if that was his idea he didn't think it through.
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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:21:57 »
Very broken since she was dead before he went after the class so if that was his idea he didn't think it through.

I want to analyze and argue minutiae on this more because I'm a puzzle solver, but it seems rather pointless.  The facts will remain the same no matter how much people try to think things through and because of that, I think I'm done.

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 21:50:34 »
Makes me long for the time when we got the newspaper once a day, instead of having to ingest stories like this 24/7 on facebook, twitter, every news site and from all your freinds texting you all day long "did you hear. . . "

Not saying we should bury our heads in the sand to stories like this, but it's senseless to have it shoved down our throats constantly. Making me depressed. There's nothing to be done now. Let the families mourn and move on.
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 22:12:16 »
I think chris rock said it best, bullet should be $1000 each, there would no longer be any innocent bystanders that get hurt or unintentional victims. 
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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 22:39:45 »
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference

not true.

better gun control would help. but removable wouldn't.

Why not? IMO it's more difficult to kill the innocent with a pocket knife than with a gun.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 22:47:04 »
I think chris rock said it best, bullet should be $1000 each, there would no longer be any innocent bystanders that get hurt or unintentional victims.

+ Psychiatric evaluation to be done once every 6 months, etc.

Since there's a firearm industry, if they shut it all down I think a number of people would be out of jobs(considering that the producers don't produce the same guns for the military)

But something as powerful as a firearm that can be used by anyone should not be so easily obtainable

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 22:57:30 »
I am with people who don't like guns, even though I own them. In fact, I wish there wasn't a single possible method for any human to hurt or kill another human being which existed. But unfortunately, this is not the case.

Sadly, there is not nor will there ever be a single gun control law which actually hinders criminals. In fact, nearly every gun control we already have enables them. Every school is a gun-free zone, which means teachers with guns in their cars have to park far away and no good citizens who work there can concealed-carry. Concealed-carry laws make it so honest citizens cannot carry guns in places where criminals can. Strict measures on purchasing guns make it FAR easier for Joe Criminal to just go to his buddy down the street to buy his weapon.

Deadly weapons are an unfortunate reality of life. Just ask the U.S. government - they kill children in the middle east all the time. But you never hear Americans freaking out over them. The point of the second amendment is that the ability of citizens to arm themselves is literally their last defense against tyranny. So if you want good citizens to disarm, I say fine, but we must start with the government first. Let's disarm our national "defense" which is murdering people in foreign countries and making us less safe. And let's disarm our police too...not all cops are good and there are arguably a lot more sheepdogs in society, who aren't cops, who would do whatever it took to save someone's life if they didn't have to be concerned about being sued or going to jail.

The only difference between government and criminals is that when the government commits crime, we legitimize it.

Offline demik

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Re: Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 23:00:51 »
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference

not true.

better gun control would help. but removable wouldn't.

Why not? IMO it's more difficult to kill the innocent with a pocket knife than with a gun.


because you can still acquire guns illegally? you also have the pro-gun side saying (and they have a point) "well, if we could CCW (carry a concealed weapon), somebody would have stopped it."

as you stated, a psych evaluation should be mandatory. a simple "oh, you aren't a felon just pay the fee" isnt enough IMO.

FTR, I'm not a pro-gun NRA nut. But I'm not against them either. If a person wants to cause damage, they'll find a way.
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