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Offline whileycoyote

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Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:33:57 »
Just got an email from my support manager from Feenix since I own their Nascita mouse (which is amazing btw). Apparently they are about to release a mechanical keyboard that they designed. And I must say it looks rather sexy. http://www.feenixcollection.com/autore.html Ill try and review it for everyone here as soon as I get it and compare it with my DAS. Could this be a hidden gem? Ill find out


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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:38:26 »
im not sure. From the looks of it it looks aluminum coated somehow. Ive never seen anything like this so im kinda struggling to make sense of it. I just know it looks cool

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:39:29 »
im not sure. From the looks of it it looks aluminum coated somehow. Ive never seen anything like this so im kinda struggling to make sense of it. I just know it looks cool

I agree the design is quite tastefully done. :D

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:39:39 »
I love those subtle fonts they use. Thats alone is gonna sucker me into getting one.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:40:35 »
I love those subtle fonts they use. Thats alone is gonna sucker me into getting one.

whiley, if you have any pull to get some input into the design, could you tell them "micro-usb" is better than "mini-usb" that they're using now?

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:40:59 »
Not TKL, not interested. Honestly, when these companies make gaming keyboards what makes them think any game uses numpad input? It's just a waste of valuable mouse space and forearm room for more serious gamers.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:41:36 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:42:24 »
It is very pretty, IMO. But no option for a TKL kills it.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:43:30 »
I must say TKL is not really my style. To each his own

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:44:34 »
Is so sexy. I don't get why you don't like it because it's not TKL. I personally only own TKL or smaller, and I might buy this simply because of how sexy it is.

This is a business keyboard, not a gaming one.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:54:36 »
Is so sexy. I don't get why you don't like it because it's not TKL. I personally only own TKL or smaller, and I might buy this simply because of how sexy it is.

This is a business keyboard, not a gaming one.

err... idk if that curvy looking emblem is good business-world fashion.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 14:59:39 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

But it's not an ergodox...

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:05:16 »
I absolutely loooove the looks of that. If it came with clears I'd probably buy one. Especially if those caps are PBT or double shot! I don't care about TKL either.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:07:59 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

But it's not an ergodox...



I am slowly realizing that my ergodox crusade is coming to an end.

People need to make mistakes as I did, before they can fully appreciate just how amazing the ergodox is relative to the cookie cutter iterations they pump out each refresh cycle.

:D

And within those cookie cutter iterations,  There are some cookies that are crunchier and tastier than the other. I will still attempt to help people find the best board possible, EVEN in a sea of boards that are NOT  remotely as GREAT as the ERGODOX.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:13:08 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

But it's not an ergodox...



I am slowly realizing that my ergodox crusade is coming to an end.

People need to make mistakes as I did, before they can fully appreciate just how amazing the ergodox is relative to the cookie cutter iterations they pump out each refresh cycle.

:D

And within those cookie cutter iterations,  There are some cookies that are crunchier and tastier than the other. I will still attempt to help people find the best board possible, EVEN in a sea of boards that are NOT  remotely as GREAT as the ERGODOX.

G81 crusade?
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:16:07 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

Edox doesn't have a separate numpad, therefore tkl.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:17:09 »
Not TKL, not interested. Honestly, when these companies make gaming keyboards what makes them think any game uses numpad input? It's just a waste of valuable mouse space and forearm room for more serious gamers.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:18:05 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

Edox doesn't have a separate numpad, therefore tkl.

It doesn't need a separate numpad, you can toggle

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:20:33 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

Edox doesn't have a separate numpad, therefore tkl.

It doesn't need a separate numpad, you can toggle

Yeah, and the non-staggered layout makes it that much more perfect as a numpad.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:21:02 »
Why don't you just come out and say that you work for Feenix instead of this? I mean, it's not like people would look down on it. There are many different vendors that have a presence here and announce their products.

That being said, I do like the (what looks to be) pad-printed black on black. That's a very nice look. And if they're dyesubbed (which I doubt, but if they are), then tell them to make more caps, and sell them individually as well.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:24:14 »
Why don't you just come out and say that you work for Feenix instead of this? I mean, it's not like people would look down on it. There are many different vendors that have a presence here and announce their products.

That being said, I do like the (what looks to be) pad-printed black on black. That's a very nice look. And if they're dyesubbed (which I doubt, but if they are), then tell them to make more caps, and sell them individually as well.

^this^

We'd love to have Feenix on here.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:34:51 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

Edox doesn't have a separate numpad, therefore tkl.

It doesn't need a separate numpad, you can toggle

Yeah, and the non-staggered layout makes it that much more perfect as a numpad.

rephrase, IT IS perfect as a numpad, it's better than trad numpads because it has the added benefit of being Ergonomic..

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:36:25 »
Why don't you just come out and say that you work for Feenix instead of this? I mean, it's not like people would look down on it. There are many different vendors that have a presence here and announce their products.

That being said, I do like the (what looks to be) pad-printed black on black. That's a very nice look. And if they're dyesubbed (which I doubt, but if they are), then tell them to make more caps, and sell them individually as well.

^this^

We'd love to have Feenix on here.

If I'd work for anyone, it'd more likely be massdrop, LOL

But no I don't work for any keyboard company.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:37:07 »
Not you. I think it was pretty obvious I was talking about the OP.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:38:47 »
Why don't you just come out and say that you work for Feenix instead of this? I mean, it's not like people would look down on it. There are many different vendors that have a presence here and announce their products.

That being said, I do like the (what looks to be) pad-printed black on black. That's a very nice look. And if they're dyesubbed (which I doubt, but if they are), then tell them to make more caps, and sell them individually as well.

^this^

We'd love to have Feenix on here.

If I'd work for anyone, it'd more likely be massdrop, LOL

But no I don't work for any keyboard company.

Admit it, you work for razer.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:40:00 »
Why don't you just come out and say that you work for Feenix instead of this? I mean, it's not like people would look down on it. There are many different vendors that have a presence here and announce their products.

That being said, I do like the (what looks to be) pad-printed black on black. That's a very nice look. And if they're dyesubbed (which I doubt, but if they are), then tell them to make more caps, and sell them individually as well.

^this^

We'd love to have Feenix on here.

Unfortunately I am but a mere fanboy and consumer who got an email from them :( 

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:49:06 »
Why don't you just come out and say that you work for Feenix instead of this? I mean, it's not like people would look down on it. There are many different vendors that have a presence here and announce their products.

That being said, I do like the (what looks to be) pad-printed black on black. That's a very nice look. And if they're dyesubbed (which I doubt, but if they are), then tell them to make more caps, and sell them individually as well.

^this^

We'd love to have Feenix on here.

Unfortunately I am but a mere fanboy and consumer who got an email from them :(

Ahh my mistake!

6/11 of your first posts made me suspicious.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:50:22 »
For me, it was that you only signed up five minutes before this "exciting new announcement".

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:51:34 »
For me, it was that you only signed up five minutes before this "exciting new announcement".

Right!

I was about to say that too.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:53:39 »
It's a really nice looking keyboard.  :)
All those keyboards will be lost in time....

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 15:58:17 »
It's a really nice looking keyboard.  :)

I agree.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 16:04:50 »
Haha well truth be told that is why I signed up. Was trying to be a big shot with new news

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 16:06:11 »
Haha well truth be told that is why I signed up. Was trying to be a big shot with new news

I signed up so that I could use the search function.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 21:13:53 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

But it's not an ergodox...



I am slowly realizing that my ergodox crusade is coming to an end.

People need to make mistakes as I did, before they can fully appreciate just how amazing the ergodox is relative to the cookie cutter iterations they pump out each refresh cycle.

:D

And within those cookie cutter iterations,  There are some cookies that are crunchier and tastier than the other. I will still attempt to help people find the best board possible, EVEN in a sea of boards that are NOT  remotely as GREAT as the ERGODOX.

Did I read that correctly!? TP4's crusade coming to an end :O!

Seriously though, looks clean. Better looking than a CM Storm board, but the price better be decent or else this would be a lost cause. I need more details like switch customization, case, keycaps, etc.

Looks nice though...if its at a good price I would say that this would be a great alternative to a Filco or Leopold Fullsize.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 21:19:13 »
This is just gonna be a branded OEM board that we're all familiar with already, probably with a slightly customized case and matte rubber coating.

Feenix is all hype (not to say their products aren't good, just not as revolutionary as their advertising and marketing materials suggest).

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 14 August 2013, 21:35:36 »
Quote

I signed up so that I could use the search function.

This.


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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 00:01:13 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

Edox doesn't have a separate numpad, therefore tkl.

It doesn't need a separate numpad, you can toggle

Frankly I prefer that to the separate numpad most of the time. I just move my left index finger a bit to one of those vertical tab key size buttons and I have a numpad in my right without leaving home row on either hand. I'm just sayin it still doesn't have a dedicated tenkey, and is thus tenkeyless. SSK and realforce have embedded numpads (that are fifty thousand times harder to use because staggered), but are still tkl.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 00:41:04 »
Given the price of their mouse and mousepad, this keyboard won't be cheap.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 00:53:22 »
Yeah, looks like it'll be really pricey. I do love the font, but it's not worth the (probably quite high) price if it's just going to be a rebranded OEM of questionable quality.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 01:03:19 »
Feenix is all hype (not to say their products aren't good, just not as revolutionary as their advertising and marketing materials suggest).

QFT.

It'll be a $200 Costar with MX Reds.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 01:42:54 »
Yeah, looks like it'll be really pricey. I do love the font, but it's not worth the (probably quite high) price if it's just going to be a rebranded OEM of questionable quality.

Feenix is all hype (not to say their products aren't good, just not as revolutionary as their advertising and marketing materials suggest).

QFT.

It'll be a $200 Costar with MX Reds.

Hmm that would be interesting if it is an OEM. The email they sent out made it pretty clear they designed it, and also the case doesnt look like anything on the market but who knows... Rootworm i think your wrong about the reds since in the pictures its very clearly brown switches. unless im very color blind

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 01:52:55 »
Yeah, looks like it'll be really pricey. I do love the font, but it's not worth the (probably quite high) price if it's just going to be a rebranded OEM of questionable quality.

Feenix is all hype (not to say their products aren't good, just not as revolutionary as their advertising and marketing materials suggest).

QFT.

It'll be a $200 Costar with MX Reds.

Hmm that would be interesting if it is an OEM. The email they sent out made it pretty clear they designed it, and also the case doesnt look like anything on the market but who knows... Rootworm i think your wrong about the reds since in the pictures its very clearly brown switches. unless im very color blind

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 02:08:09 »
Yeah, looks like it'll be really pricey. I do love the font, but it's not worth the (probably quite high) price if it's just going to be a rebranded OEM of questionable quality.

Feenix is all hype (not to say their products aren't good, just not as revolutionary as their advertising and marketing materials suggest).

QFT.

It'll be a $200 Costar with MX Reds.

Hmm that would be interesting if it is an OEM. The email they sent out made it pretty clear they designed it, and also the case doesnt look like anything on the market but who knows... Rootworm i think your wrong about the reds since in the pictures its very clearly brown switches. unless im very color blind

A) You're almost certainly looking at a pre-production mockup. Not a production part.
B) What, you think Costar can't customize a chassis? They do it all the time. It's part of being an ODM - you do custom work.
C) HOW many companies OEMing iOne/Costar/Dearmo/etc. claim they 'designed it' again? Ah, right - 100%.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 02:12:10 »
Yeah, looks like it'll be really pricey. I do love the font, but it's not worth the (probably quite high) price if it's just going to be a rebranded OEM of questionable quality.

Feenix is all hype (not to say their products aren't good, just not as revolutionary as their advertising and marketing materials suggest).

QFT.

It'll be a $200 Costar with MX Reds.

Hmm that would be interesting if it is an OEM. The email they sent out made it pretty clear they designed it, and also the case doesnt look like anything on the market but who knows... Rootworm i think your wrong about the reds since in the pictures its very clearly brown switches. unless im very color blind

A) You're almost certainly looking at a pre-production mockup. Not a production part.
B) What, you think Costar can't customize a chassis? They do it all the time. It's part of being an ODM - you do custom work.
C) HOW many companies OEMing iOne/Costar/Dearmo/etc. claim they 'designed it' again? Ah, right - 100%.

your last two points make sense and we will have to wait and see I guess. But your first point about the mockup makes no sense. These are clearly final photos on the site and it's showing brown switches on the inside

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 02:21:50 »
your last two points make sense and we will have to wait and see I guess. But your first point about the mockup makes no sense. These are clearly final photos on the site and it's showing brown switches on the inside

Do you have any idea how many "final" photos are actually made of pre-production models? Answer: pretty much every last one. They aren't going to wait for a production run to start, much less finish, to begin marketing something. Nobody does. Not only that, but they can't photograph a keyboard and sell it as new.
Doesn't mean it absolutely isn't Browns (though given their 'pro gamers email us' it seems extremely unlikely) but there is exactly zero chance that is an actual production unit. It's a pre-production unit which is presumably from the batch that was green-lighted as production. So yes, production will look almost EXACTLY like that (or should) but it's not an actual production unit.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 02:32:27 »
right so one would assume they aren't gonna green light a pre production model that's exactly the same, take pics of a brown switch and market it as that, and then decide "o wait lets do reds". Sure anything can happen we don't live in a mathematical world... But I'm just saying there's a 98% chance it's browns since that's what they used for everything up to basically pre orders

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 05:07:44 »
This looks like a good start for a new keyboard.

The thing that makes me like this off the bat is the case design in relation to key height. I don't like when you can see the underside of the keys on many keyboards. This looks like it will help with that.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 05:12:14 »
In picture 5/6, it looks like the num pad is sinking. The left side of the num pad looks lower than the right side.

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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 06:39:15 »
But it's not an ergodox...
You should buy a Topre Realforce keyboard instead. They are great!   :rolleyes:

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 06:44:45 »
Not TKL, not interested. Honestly, when these companies make gaming keyboards what makes them think any game uses numpad input? It's just a waste of valuable mouse space and forearm room for more serious gamers.

Saying you're not a serious gamer because you have a keyboard with like four extra inches is kind of ridiculous.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 06:45:05 »
 I really dislike "silver" plastic. It is so tacky. The keys remind me of the silver-painted keys on mid-2000's MacBooks... ewww.

The edges of the keyboard are a bit too high for my taste, also. I'm afraid that I would hit the front edge when I press the space bar.

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« Reply #52 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 07:11:29 »
Regardless of what you guys say from the pics on the website this is a damn sexy looking board and would be complemented very nicely with their mousepad which looks very nice if I say so myself.

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« Reply #53 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 09:07:49 »
Interesting. Case looks like molded plastic.

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« Reply #54 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 09:09:29 »
Looks like a filco..also looks very clean
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 10:23:10 »
im not sure. From the looks of it it looks aluminum coated somehow. Ive never seen anything like this so im kinda struggling to make sense of it. I just know it looks cool

I agree the design is quite tastefully done. :D

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 10:24:32 »
I was looking into Feenix's flagship mouse, and it looked awesome at the time, but a little out of my price range in regard to computer mice. But that keyboard.....  :eek:

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« Reply #57 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 10:54:02 »
I don't get it. So far, the main feature of this keyboard seems to be that it is gray. I'm not sure that I'd derive any particular benefit from having a gray keyboard.

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« Reply #58 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 12:22:28 »
Looks good. but the key caps don't look like high quality one

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 15 August 2013, 12:42:21 »
Nice and clean looking keyboard. Very very classy.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 16 August 2013, 03:28:52 »
Yeah, looks like it'll be really pricey. I do love the font, but it's not worth the (probably quite high) price if it's just going to be a rebranded OEM of questionable quality.

Feenix is all hype (not to say their products aren't good, just not as revolutionary as their advertising and marketing materials suggest).

QFT.

It'll be a $200 Costar with MX Reds.

Hmm that would be interesting if it is an OEM. The email they sent out made it pretty clear they designed it, and also the case doesnt look like anything on the market but who knows...
They also claimed some untrue things with the Nascita.

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« Reply #61 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:46:32 »
Any other news on this and when its coming out?

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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 19:27:06 »
Not TKL, not interested.

TKL is overrated.

i was all up on that hype for the longest time..

Now i've seen the light.

why do people like tkl so much? 75% is far superior. You save more room but have pretty much the same keys.

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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 19:48:10 »
Because some of us don't like how 75% keyboards look.  Aesthetically, I dislike them.  They are not much smaller than TKL in practice, and I'd rather get a 60% or a Leopold FC660M form factor.
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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 21:26:38 »
What % would TKL be considered?

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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 21:33:54 »
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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 21:38:33 »
Is there a difference between 75% and 80%?

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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 21:41:25 »
Is there a difference between 75% and 80%?

I consider boards like the Noppoo Choc Mini and Key Cool 84 to be 75%.

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 21:42:21 »
Is there a difference between 75% and 80%?

Yes.

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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 21:44:17 »
I imagine that the 75% keyboards don't use standard sized keys, right? I bet it'd be tough to get replacement keycaps for it.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 22:38:32 »
Not TKL, not interested. Honestly, when these companies make gaming keyboards what makes them think any game uses numpad input? It's just a waste of valuable mouse space and forearm room for more serious gamers.

People are used to full-size. It's selfish to think that they'd cater to the needs of the few over those of the many.
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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 22:55:50 »
Wait, you mean TKL and 75% isn't the same thing? I gotta read more.

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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 27 November 2013, 23:45:15 »
Technically TKL has 87 keys and (most) full size have 104, and (87 / 104) * 100 = 83.653846153846153846153846153846 which is usually rounded to 85% (although it would be slightly more accurate to say 84%, but most people prefer multiples of 5).
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 28 November 2013, 00:09:01 »
Technically TKL has 87 keys and (most) full size have 104, and (87 / 104) * 100 = 83.653846153846153846153846153846 which is usually rounded to 85% (although it would be slightly more accurate to say 84%, but most people prefer multiples of 5).

Then what the heck is 75%?

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 28 November 2013, 00:29:56 »
Then what the heck is 75%?
A TKL without the "wasted space".

Though a 75% is technically a 'tenkeyless', they're not described as a TKL... just as a 75%. If that makes any sense.

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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 28 November 2013, 01:04:30 »
Technically TKL has 87 keys and (most) full size have 104, and (87 / 104) * 100 = 83.653846153846153846153846153846 which is usually rounded to 85% (although it would be slightly more accurate to say 84%, but most people prefer multiples of 5).

Then what the heck is 75%?
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 28 November 2013, 02:32:26 »
Yea... I'm willing to bet it's the same OEM (Costar) as Filco. It looks exactly like one, except for the edges. That's it.

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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 28 November 2013, 03:13:04 »
Technically TKL has 87 keys and (most) full size have 104, and (87 / 104) * 100 = 83.653846153846153846153846153846 which is usually rounded to 85% (although it would be slightly more accurate to say 84%, but most people prefer multiples of 5).

Then what the heck is 75%?

Ah, well, technically a 75% would have approximately 3/4 the keycaps of a 104 key keyboard.  That would be 78 keys.  So if you removed 26 keys from a 104 keyboard, you would end up with a 75% board.

Perhaps you could just remove the A-Z keys - that would be a quick and easy way of making a 75% board.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 28 November 2013, 08:47:00 »
Technically TKL has 87 keys and (most) full size have 104, and (87 / 104) * 100 = 83.653846153846153846153846153846 which is usually rounded to 85% (although it would be slightly more accurate to say 84%, but most people prefer multiples of 5).

Then what the heck is 75%?

Ah, well, technically a 75% would have approximately 3/4 the keycaps of a 104 key keyboard.  That would be 78 keys.  So if you removed 26 keys from a 104 keyboard, you would end up with a 75% board.

Perhaps you could just remove the A-Z keys - that would be a quick and easy way of making a 75% board.

+1 Informative.

This posts puts into perspective just how many extra keys a full size has (over and above the Alpha keys). Makes me want to rebel and get a 40%.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 11 December 2013, 14:31:35 »
I found it confusing in the beginning that TKL boards are so named, because the 'tenkey' pad is another name for the numpad, so technically anything without a numpad is a TKL, including 60% boards--but somehow the name stuck to a very specific TKL layout (the 84-87-key kind).  Must be more of a historical/circumstantional naming convention rather than a purely logical one.  Just have to accept it.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 12 December 2013, 13:27:36 »
Is so sexy. I don't get why you don't like it because it's not TKL. I personally only own TKL or smaller, and I might buy this simply because of how sexy it is.

This is a business keyboard, not a gaming one.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #81 on: Thu, 12 December 2013, 14:25:41 »
The gold plated switches adds +10 gaming performance.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 12 December 2013, 17:21:07 »
Has anyone gotten their hands on this yet? Any word on a release date?

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 12 December 2013, 17:34:33 »
The gold plated switches adds +10 gaming performance.
I never really like products that say best for gaming. Oh hurrr durrrr. Other mechanical keyboards can't play games. It's marketing but it's so stupid.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #84 on: Mon, 23 December 2013, 12:25:31 »
http://www.feenixcollection.com/autore.html

Looks like we have a price.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 23 December 2013, 12:35:56 »
http://www.feenixcollection.com/autore.html

Looks like we have a price.

"Backorder - $163"

That's not too bad of a price, I still kind of want to pick one up just to see those sweet caps IRL.

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« Reply #86 on: Tue, 24 December 2013, 06:40:58 »
Sweet looking keyboard, though TKL would have been better
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #87 on: Tue, 24 December 2013, 06:53:02 »
http://www.feenixcollection.com/autore.html

Looks like we have a price.

"Backorder - $163"

This is typical of Feenix, first they claim it's on "Backorder" which was never released to the public in the first place, hence why the backorder?

Because this will be the FIRST ever release Feenix treats early adopters as morons and guinea pigs, hence they will first let everyone know what's wrong with their keyboards which Feenix will try to repair before the "Second Round" of Autore's get released.

Don't forget anything wrong with your product you have to RMA it straight back to them under your own money and then further pay to have it shipped right back to you.  They are nothing like Corsair when it comes to decent RMA treatment.

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« Reply #88 on: Tue, 24 December 2013, 07:19:42 »
Sweet looking keyboard, though TKL would have been better
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« Reply #89 on: Tue, 24 December 2013, 07:21:46 »

Don't you just hate when you can't remember songs


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« Reply #90 on: Mon, 30 December 2013, 21:50:20 »
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #92 on: Mon, 30 December 2013, 22:44:04 »
Looks like another ordinary cherry keyboard to me :S

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 00:41:59 »
Tempted to buy this.. although my sights were set on the WASD V2.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 00:46:08 »
Any idea on whterh the case is really metal ?  I assume it is not -- just coated plastic at that price.

What would everyone's guess be at the replacability of the switches?  I personally would want MX Greens or Clears.

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« Reply #95 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 01:19:54 »
I would bet that it is plate mounted , So its going to hard to change the switches

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« Reply #96 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 02:07:35 »
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« Reply #97 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 16:01:04 »
I went ahead and emailed their customer service to clear up what materials this keyboard is made of. Here's the email:

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Hey there,

I'm inquiring about your new keyboard which is shown on the Feenix website. Aside from it looking like a fantastic keyboard, I would like to know what materials are used in its construction. From the pictures provided it seems like the keyboard has a metal-like finish to it. Does the case just have a special metallic finish or is it actually made out of metal?

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Chad James <chadjames@feenixcollection.com>
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Hello,

The keyboard has an aluminum coating finish to the keycaps which gives it a metallic finish however the keyboard itself is not made out of aluminum.

Thanks,
Chad

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #98 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 16:19:36 »
I just received my autore. I'm working on a review of it. Gonna make a quick video review to go along with that. Without mentioning too much I will say this, this is the best build quality of any keyboard I've used. And it weighs enough to crush a full grown bear.

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« Reply #99 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 16:23:15 »
I also found out it was basically plastic casing also.  What other keyboard build qualities are you comparing it too?  Aluminum paint does not sound impressive.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 16:51:47 »
I just received my autore. I'm working on a review of it. Gonna make a quick video review to go along with that. Without mentioning too much I will say this, this is the best build quality of any keyboard I've used. And it weighs enough to crush a full grown bear.

That sounds terrible. What kind of keyboard could possible weight over a thousand pounds? I also highly doubt that it's worth its priceline, considering that it is as featureless as a Rosewill and more expensive than a Filco. At least Ducky can justify their (cheaper) Shine 3, which is slightly lower quality than a Filco to some, with a still high build quality and lots of technology. Hopefully this Autore has something pretty special in it.
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« Reply #101 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 17:01:32 »
I just received my autore. I'm working on a review of it. Gonna make a quick video review to go along with that. Without mentioning too much I will say this, this is the best build quality of any keyboard I've used. And it weighs enough to crush a full grown bear.

To be specific the site states it is 1200 g or about 2.64 lbs.  This is slightly less than than the Ducky 3s and WASD keyboards.  and certainly less than the aluminum body Ducky YOTS or the any Model M.  Nice looking keyboard to me but if the case were actually some sort of metal it would be a selling point.  It's colored plastic with MX browns so other than silver plastic and very nicely colored keys (probably ABS) . I am not sure what delineates its quality other than metal plate mounting which many other keyboards have.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #102 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 17:11:18 »
I just received my autore. I'm working on a review of it. Gonna make a quick video review to go along with that. Without mentioning too much I will say this, this is the best build quality of any keyboard I've used. And it weighs enough to crush a full grown bear.

To be specific the site states it is 1200 g or about 2.64 lbs.  This is slightly less than than the Ducky 3s and WASD keyboards.  and certainly less than the aluminum body Ducky YOTS or the any Model M.  Nice looking keyboard to me but if the case were actually some sort of metal it would be a selling point.  It's colored plastic with MX browns so other than silver plastic and very nicely colored keys (probably ABS) . I am not sure what delineates its quality other than metal plate mounting which many other keyboards have.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #103 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 17:28:45 »
I just received my autore. I'm working on a review of it. Gonna make a quick video review to go along with that. Without mentioning too much I will say this, this is the best build quality of any keyboard I've used. And it weighs enough to crush a full grown bear.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #104 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 17:34:23 »
Without mentioning too much I will say this, this is the best build quality of any keyboard I've used. And it weighs enough to crush a full grown bear.

I love that, such enthusiasm from a young one  :thumb: .  Considering a full grown Grizzly weighs in at 400-790lbs than the Autore would have to weigh in at a similar amount to even damage a full grown Grizzly.

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« Reply #105 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 18:20:08 »
I'd like to get a set of these caps. Are they available?

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« Reply #106 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 18:40:46 »
I'd like to get a set of these caps. Are they available?

Doubtful since they aren't offering them for sale separately.
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« Reply #107 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 20:07:43 »
Its a shame, they are really nice looking.

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« Reply #108 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 20:08:46 »
Buy the keyboard keep the caps

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« Reply #109 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 20:12:03 »
I'd prefer to use that money in other way, but yeah, it may be a possibility.

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« Reply #110 on: Tue, 31 December 2013, 20:12:31 »
You could see the bare board after you harvested the caps

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #111 on: Thu, 02 January 2014, 11:25:50 »
Is so sexy. I don't get why you don't like it because it's not TKL. I personally only own TKL or smaller, and I might buy this simply because of how sexy it is.

This is a business keyboard, not a gaming one.

Feenix makes gaming peripherals, the designers and testers are all professional gamers. This is definitely a gaming keyboard. I personally prefer 87%/75% when I game because I feel like there's more room to move my right hand for my mouse.  :cool:
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #112 on: Thu, 02 January 2014, 23:32:23 »
I'd be interested to get more info on those keycaps. So are they metal? A metal coating?

I'd like it a lot more if it were a TKL.

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« Reply #113 on: Sat, 04 January 2014, 18:55:40 »
Uhh aluminum is amazing.
If you think that's (plastic with aluminum coating)the greatest quality...you're in for a treat.

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« Reply #114 on: Sat, 04 January 2014, 18:59:24 »
Uhh aluminum is amazing.
If you think that's (plastic with aluminum coating)the greatest quality...you're in for a treat.

Well bud, if you have it in your hot little hands then please post a review of this new baby of yours  ;D .  I'm sure the rest of us would like to see it up close just how it's been executed by Feenix.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #116 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 21:42:47 »
I'm looking forward to seeing Whileycoyote's review. This is a nice looking board. I know people did this months ago, but I just gotta highlight some of the marketing BS.

"A gold metal plate running through the length of the chassis provides brilliant durability" -- WHAT?!

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« Reply #117 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 22:13:13 »
It's #gold--that's all you need to know :)  As soon as something is "gold", you know it's going to be super duper awesome.
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« Reply #118 on: Fri, 17 January 2014, 14:23:11 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

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« Reply #119 on: Fri, 17 January 2014, 14:36:29 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

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« Reply #120 on: Fri, 17 January 2014, 16:14:09 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

I mean, it uses an ALU case, can you name another keyboard that has that standard?
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« Reply #121 on: Fri, 17 January 2014, 16:20:13 »
pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

Just because they don't have a fab doesn't mean they can't contact chinese OEMs to improve a product.

I know there are kickstarters that find a crappy chinese product, work with them to improve it, and then resell it for 2x the price of the OG chinese one.

For example: http://drop-kicker.com/2013/10/vybe-abuses-crowd-funding-to-become-middle-men-and-charge-backers-twice-what-theyd-pay-elsewhere/ (be sure to click the "CREATOR RESPONSE" to get the whole story)

So yeah, in-house manufacture is very unlikely, however in-house design may just be a bit of a play on words.

I think this was the case with their mouse as well, they used the same shell as a chinese OEM mouse, but had custom internals.

China is a very interesting place :thumb:

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« Reply #123 on: Fri, 17 January 2014, 17:21:36 »
pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

Just because they don't have a fab doesn't mean they can't contact chinese OEMs to improve a product.

I know there are kickstarters that find a crappy chinese product, work with them to improve it, and then resell it for 2x the price of the OG chinese one.

For example: http://drop-kicker.com/2013/10/vybe-abuses-crowd-funding-to-become-middle-men-and-charge-backers-twice-what-theyd-pay-elsewhere/ (be sure to click the "CREATOR RESPONSE" to get the whole story)

So yeah, in-house manufacture is very unlikely, however in-house design may just be a bit of a play on words.

I think this was the case with their mouse as well, they used the same shell as a chinese OEM mouse, but had custom internals.

China is a very interesting place :thumb:
their mouse was basically a dressed up sharkroo dark glyder. I'm a bit suspect of that frankly. They insist they create everything in LA in house.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #124 on: Fri, 17 January 2014, 18:12:05 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

I mean, it uses an ALU case, can you name another keyboard that has that standard?

Not sure if you were being sarcastic or not but its a plastic case with aluminum paint whatever that's supposed to mean.  It looks nice and all but it is still a plastic case.  Some emails with their support confirmed that it was a plastic case.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #125 on: Mon, 20 January 2014, 03:01:16 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

I mean, it uses an ALU case, can you name another keyboard that has that standard?

There's a good write up here

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/feenix-autore-promises-quality,news-18135.html

"The switches contain gold to ensure fast and reliable response''? The steel plate?  Spacing between keys is comfortable?  They are describing any of a whole lot of keyboards using Cherry switches.  The only unique features here are the case shape, the case coating, and the gold plate.  Still, the article concludes that the price tag is too high because there are no gamer options (...), no flashy gamer LEDs, and not enough tilt!  It just read like a fluff article to me, not a serious review :(
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« Reply #126 on: Mon, 20 January 2014, 06:37:25 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

I mean, it uses an ALU case, can you name another keyboard that has that standard?

There's a good write up here

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/feenix-autore-promises-quality,news-18135.html

"The switches contain gold to ensure fast and reliable response''? The steel plate?  Spacing between keys is comfortable?  They are describing any of a whole lot of keyboards using Cherry switches.  The only unique features here are the case shape, the case coating, and the gold plate.  Still, the article concludes that the price tag is too high because there are no gamer options (...), no flashy gamer LEDs, and not enough tilt!  It just read like a fluff article to me, not a serious review :(

Perhaps when I said  'good write up', I should have specified I meant a write up using the typical marketing speak which is good for laughs and that's about it :D

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 19:50:52 »
Just put up my write up of the autore: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53818.0

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 22 January 2014, 20:03:37 »
Just put up my write up of the autore: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53818.0

Thanks for that, been thinking about getting this one, despite it being only Browns it seems quite good in pictures.  Thanks for doing the wright up just feel you should fill more pictures of the keyboard so we see what it looks like underneath, sides, back (usb connection).

Is the keyboard able to be used on the PS/2 port?  Just curious to know if this baby can run on it because it seems quite basic and should pose no problem for any PC setup.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 18:41:29 »
I also found out it was basically plastic casing also.  What other keyboard build qualities are you comparing it too?  Aluminum paint does not sound impressive.

The way you put it makes it very tempting :-)
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #130 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 19:04:56 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

I mean, it uses an ALU case, can you name another keyboard that has that standard?

It is not just the keyboard. They also have that Feenix Nascita, which is incredibly expensive, and they act like it is the best mouse in the world, while it has a crappy Avago ADNS 9500 sensor with acceleration. But plenty of companies do that, so that is not even that big of a deal. However they claim that:

Extensively researched and unique Feenix form factor offers perfect ergonomic feel for the Nascita regardless of whether you are a palm, claw, or semi-claw gamer.

This is their Nascita


Oh yes, unique design and what not. Awesome $100 ...well spent right. Well... there are several other brands that use the same sensor and have the exact shell. Seems to be nothing more than a hyped OEM mouse.

Here is the Sharkoon Darkglider (cheap B-brand mouse)


And that is not the only mouse that uses the same OEM shell.

The other thing that kind of annoys me is their text

As a small independently owned company based in California, Feenix enjoys absolute creative freedom to design, engineer, assemble and test what professional gamers consider to be the finest gaming mice in the world. While a meticulous assembly process limits the production volume to less than 500 mice a month, owners of Feenix mice can be ensured a gaming instrument of utmost excellence. By focusing a unified passion for gaming solely into the making of mice, Feenix is able to maintain high-quality standards, and avoid traditional corporate inattention. With build quality as a top priority, a Feenix mouse is unparalleled in reliability due to precisely built mechanical movements and hand finished quality checks. Along with impeccable feel, everything regarding a Feenix mouse, from the state-of-the-art chipsets and lens systems to the elegant aesthetics and features, must meet the approval of professional gamers before being labeled with an authentic reference seal.


You can not just claim professional gamers consider your mice the finest in the world, when no one has ever seen a professional gamer use the brand and you do not mention which professional gamers you are talking about (probably some LoL player somewhere... maybe). The idea of professional gamers using the mice is odd anyway. Laser mice are not really common in the pro scene. In fact, they are pretty much non-existent among FPS players.

I mean , it has an ok sensor , looks  comfortable enough and I am willing to believe it is built well, but do not feed us that crap about how you manually produce only 500 a month and professional gamers consider it the best, and that flawed Avago sensor that serious gamers avoid is something special. That sort of dumb BS just annoys me. Especially when 10 dollar WMO with a STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04 sensor craps all over your mouse when it comes to performance (and IS actually used by pro gamers).

We are used to gaming companies feeding us BS, but "Feenix" seems to be taking it to a whole new level.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 20:01:06 »
This company seems to be based in using marketing to create an illusion of "luxury" to justify their unnecessarily inflated prices, all while cranking out average quality products. I've yet to see anything of theirs in person that was a) impressive or b) worth the high price tags.

pretty much this
they're basically using smoke and mirrors to sell chinese OEM goods.
I can guarantee you they have no FABs for production.  So whatever they say about in-house design and manufacture is complete BS.

I mean, it uses an ALU case, can you name another keyboard that has that standard?

It is not just the keyboard. They also have that Feenix Nascita, which is incredibly expensive, and they act like it is the best mouse in the world, while it has a crappy Avago ADNS 9500 sensor with acceleration. But plenty of companies do that, so that is not even that big of a deal. However they claim that:

Extensively researched and unique Feenix form factor offers perfect ergonomic feel for the Nascita regardless of whether you are a palm, claw, or semi-claw gamer.

This is their Nascita
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Oh yes, unique design and what not. Awesome $100 ...well spent right. Well... there are several other brands that use the same sensor and have the exact shell. Seems to be nothing more than a hyped OEM mouse.

Here is the Sharkoon Darkglider (cheap B-brand mouse)
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And that is not the only mouse that uses the same OEM shell.

The other thing that kind of annoys me is their text

As a small independently owned company based in California, Feenix enjoys absolute creative freedom to design, engineer, assemble and test what professional gamers consider to be the finest gaming mice in the world. While a meticulous assembly process limits the production volume to less than 500 mice a month, owners of Feenix mice can be ensured a gaming instrument of utmost excellence. By focusing a unified passion for gaming solely into the making of mice, Feenix is able to maintain high-quality standards, and avoid traditional corporate inattention. With build quality as a top priority, a Feenix mouse is unparalleled in reliability due to precisely built mechanical movements and hand finished quality checks. Along with impeccable feel, everything regarding a Feenix mouse, from the state-of-the-art chipsets and lens systems to the elegant aesthetics and features, must meet the approval of professional gamers before being labeled with an authentic reference seal.


You can not just claim professional gamers consider your mice the finest in the world, when no one has ever seen a professional gamer use the brand and you do not mention which professional gamers you are talking about (probably some LoL player somewhere... maybe). The idea of professional gamers using the mice is odd anyway. Laser mice are not really common in the pro scene. In fact, they are pretty much non-existent among FPS players.

I mean , it has an ok sensor , looks  comfortable enough and I am willing to believe it is built well, but do not feed us that crap about how you manually produce only 500 a month and professional gamers consider it the best, and that flawed Avago sensor that serious gamers avoid is something special. That sort of dumb BS just annoys me. Especially when 10 dollar WMO with a STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04 sensor craps all over your mouse when it comes to performance (and IS actually used by pro gamers).

We are used to gaming companies feeding us BS, but "Feenix" seems to be taking it to a whole new level.

/Rant

Exactly.
Crappy sensor like that can hardly be considered "for gamers".
The only pro I know who uses feenix stuff is that destiny guy that every sensible SC2 (and I'm going to guess League of lollipops) player pretty much hates. That guy is probably only sponsored by this brand because destiny couldn't get a sponsorship elsewhere after all the crap he's pulled.


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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #132 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 00:48:03 »
''Laser mice are not really common in the pro scene. In fact, they are pretty much non-existent among FPS players. ''

please stop, plenty of counter-strike players uses the likes of SS Sensei, xai, etc. pro gear is entirely based on who's their sponsor and what they have to offer. any FPS player worth anything can use absolutely any mouse out there and still be a god. the idea that 3% negative or positive acceleration would have any real world impact on their game is absurd. then there's the fact how prediction is completely about preference.

either way, Feenix have released an official statement somewhere regarding the mouse issue and anyone interested can just google it. not that I care either way, just funny how this forum knows so much about keyboards and then suddenly start drooling when it comes to mice.
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« Reply #133 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 01:20:15 »
Pro players such as these?

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #134 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 03:43:32 »
''Laser mice are not really common in the pro scene. In fact, they are pretty much non-existent among FPS players. ''

please stop, plenty of counter-strike players uses the likes of SS Sensei, xai, etc. pro gear is entirely based on who's their sponsor and what they have to offer. any FPS player worth anything can use absolutely any mouse out there and still be a god. the idea that 3% negative or positive acceleration would have any real world impact on their game is absurd. then there's the fact how prediction is completely about preference.

either way, Feenix have released an official statement somewhere regarding the mouse issue and anyone interested can just google it. not that I care either way, just funny how this forum knows so much about keyboards and then suddenly start drooling when it comes to mice.

You are right, I should not have used the word non-existent. That is not true. Also, I do agree that the slight imperfections in sensor behavior are sometimes overstated, and it does not make or break a player.

Based on the peripherals available by the sponsor, you do see players using mice with less than optimal sensors. In Counter Strike for example, Steelseries is a big sponsor, and for a while they did not have any mice available that were all that great. So the guys in teams like Ninjas in Pyjamas (f0rest, GeT_RiGhT etc.) did use mice that had sensors that people did not seem impressed by (for example, they used the Xai and the Kinzu, Ikari optical was another popular one), other teams like Navi, Markeloff used the Xai as well. So indeed, while there is a definite trend away from sensors with acceleration for example, they are not non-existent.

However, there were two things worth noting. The first is how many players outside of a Steelseries sponsorship used these mice, the other is what happened recently when Steelseries released the Kana V2 with the Avago 3090 optical sensor, and the Rival with the Avago 3310 optical sensor.

But, you do make a good point. These are all players who were able to perform at the highest possible level of competition with these so-called "flawed" mice. So if they can , how much does the average Joe need a perfect sensor? I agree with you on that. However, what I said was in response to Feenix, and the claims they make. No matter how you twist it, the Avago ADNS 9500 is not a popular sensor among "pro gamers", and everyone is aware of its issues. In my response I just wanted to illustrate that fact.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #135 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 19:49:45 »
Back when I was competing, laser mice were new and problematic, and optical was king for FPS. No one that wasn't sponsored by a company pushing a new laser mouse was using one....but, that was a long time ago. A lot of the younger generation unfortunately arrived at a time when laser mice were more prominent and have used those as such.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #136 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 19:12:05 »
Great find Grim, really the nail in the coffin for any credibility regarding this company and its claims. :mad:

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #137 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:07:37 »
its been widely covered that the feenix shell was what was copied by other manufacturers. Seeing as how their new model of their mouse now boasts a different look and sensor. also I dont think a manufacturer that is getting editors at wired to use their keyboards isnt doing ODM's.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #138 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 13:37:58 »
its been widely covered that the feenix shell was what was copied by other manufacturers. Seeing as how their new model of their mouse now boasts a different look and sensor. also I dont think a manufacturer that is getting editors at wired to use their keyboards isnt doing ODM's.

Others are copying Feenix design? LOL.
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #139 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 15:10:03 »
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My name is Garrett, im one of the developers here at Feenix. We do sometimes get inquiries regarding the differences between these two mice, and I would be happy to explain the situation to you fully. When we first developed the first version of the Nascita we designed it in partnership with our old supplier due to lack of manpower (engineers, 3d designers, etc...) here at our company (this was when we first started up). Regardless we had a vision of what our first fully ergonomic mouse should be, and we were able to meet that vision nearly to the fullest. However one of the caveats of being a startup company is that finances are often limited, so to be able to develop the Nascita we had to agree to an AGENT (region restricted) ODM contract. This means that our original supplier was allowed to provide the tooling of the shell to European distributors since they were the ones that created the moulds and tooling for us. These European distributors however have no obligations as to what components, switches, quality checks, etc... to use. And bear in mind we underwent development of the Nascita 2 years ago, a year before these distributors began utilizing the shell for their own mice. However at the current time we are happy to say that we are now fully ODM with ALL of our products. Every Feenix product from our Dimora, to our upcoming Vitesse (optical mouse designed purely for pro gamers), Autore (mechanical keyboard), are developed in California all in house, and we develop the tooling and have full control and ownership of all intellectual property. We understand at the moment that since the Nascitas shell is still very similar to a product like the Darkglider that there is often times confusion regarding the products. Because of this we are actually working hard to push out our completely revamped Nascita that will have a completely different looking body, utilize revolutionary switch assembly, etc... Please understand we take great pride in developing our products in conjunction with pro gamers, and maintaing a high level of quality and customer support is of utmost importance to use. If you have any other questions feel free to shoot them my way.

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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #140 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 15:58:12 »
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Re: Feenix Autore all new mechanical
« Reply #141 on: Mon, 27 January 2014, 18:45:04 »
Let's be blunt about the Nascita. It's got a distinctly mediocre sensor and feature set, and an outrageous price. Why would it matter what anyone says about being able to deal with the flaws of the Nascita's sensor when you can spend half as much or less and not even have to worry about those flaws in the first place? If they did design it themselves, it's certainly nothing to be proud of.

Autore seems like more of the same.

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