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My planned build thus far.
« on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 05:05:03 »
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/airtree/saved/#view=Cz9tt6

I almost feel like I'm getting tunnel vision and picking things that are way overkill. Expect that 1tb ssd. All that game and program space, Oh yes. With my Meager income, I should be able to afford it in 4 months or so. Not counting when I can work more than a petty 16 hours a week.

Thoughts? Mind you this is a complete set up and not just a tower.

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 05:21:46 »
Um... well......  hrmmm... um....

It's fine as far as Value goes..


But if  the-Tp4 were to do a $2000 PC...  He'd scrape some of the non-essentials for a second 980..

Because you got alot of extraneous stuff that probably don't do much for you "EVEN IF" they're bang-for-buck in their category..

1TB ssd.. if you went with 512, that saves $200

Senn 598..  Not much better than $50 senn headphones, Saves $100


Mouse.. You probably have one already.. saves $50

Ram.. You can get 2400mhz for $130, so make sure you shop around.

Case..  I'd get a $20 case  those 300R cases..  and save $80


That puts you pretty close to SLI 980


And trust me... SLI 980 is much more interesting  than superfluous parts..

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 05:56:17 »
As far as the case goes, I would like a quieter build and the H440 does pretty damn  well as far as I know at keeping the sound levels down.

I'm using a 5 dollar Logitech mouse at the moment, and it's really terrible, the g602 is something I would like.

And as far as headphones go, I haven't heard many say that $50 Senns are not much better than 598's for example.

Or I could put some extra waiting time in there and get the cash for a second 980, or whatever is better that is out by then... Decisions, decisions.

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 06:05:00 »
The first things to consider   per any budget..   is to maximize the   Performance per Dollar on the  "CPU"  and  "GPU"


At the VERY VERY END, you can consider "hardware aesthetics" and "audio"...



Essentially the tipping point is @ the second GPU..  because you really wouldn't get a 3rd GPU..


So if we consider BASE..  Cpu $300, Mobo $150, RAM $120, GPUx2 $1000..   

That $1570 should form a NON-Negotiable  bottom line  given a ~$2000 budget..


because  those parts gives you the MOST USEFUL, and PERCEPTIBLE boost in performance..

Everything else is Fluff... be it good or bad fluff..



also,  keep in mind   R3xx series from ATI is round the corner now...

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 10:55:36 »
For case, if you aren't going to need more than 3 3.5" hdd mounts you might consider the cheaper nzxt s340 instead. I have one and it's quite nice for the cost. There is going to be a motherboard refresh with USB3.1 soon, so I suppose you will swap it out for newer revision. You can get a smaller wattage PSU and save a chunk of change. Even with SLI 980 you probably really don't need more than 550w. 750w + is for tri sli territory. PC is so much more power efficient these days, the high watts PSU are no longer necessary.
 There are some cheaper 1TB ssd around as well, like Crucial, Mushkin, Patriot where you can save $50 or so. Or, get better performer then go for a pci-e based m.2 ssd instead though you would probably have to settle for 512GB as larger ones are not easy to source. I wouldn't go for one of the AIO water coolers either. They are more twice as expensive and don't perform much better if at all than some air cooler, and they aren't actually much quieter either. As for the HDD, keep an eye on externals as they are often cheaper than the internal bare drive for some reason but have the same drive inside. I do that all the time saving $20-40 per drive or more sometimes depending when I catch sales. Or, the SSHD type are a decent compromise if you want better performance as a secondary drive with a smaller main ssd. The cost difference is worth it if you might be running any programs off it, not at all if it's just storage for media though.
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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 11:02:39 »
In regards to the liquid cooling, why over air cooling, especially with how low-temp some of the stuff gets now, and it would be louder than using that money to invest in some decent fans.

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 11:32:05 »
A few thoughts on places you can save some money:

For the most part, getting an i7 over an i5 is a waste of cash. Especially if you're just gaming. It's like getting a v8 instead of a v6 if you just drive back and forth to work; you're just wasting gas is all.

What makes the 980 so much more desirable over the 970 for you? What are you playing? For what I can see, there isn't a HUGE bump in performance to justify so much extra money.

But, honestly, if you want to go all out, disregard my thoughts. I know where you are mentally. That's how I wound up with the computer I have now. :P

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 19:00:16 »

What are you trying to achieve with that build- does it have a primary objective or perhaps a series of common use cases?


It's hard to infer- without an explanation it looks like you've just semi-randomly thrown some reasonably high end parts into a box.

It looks kind of like a mix of gaming (video card), rendering/transcoding (CPU) and VM (reasonably large RAM). But if you're not doing all three of these things, it would make sense to modify the spec a bit. For example, if you're mainly gaming, the CPU is complete overkill over an unlocked i5. If you're not running VMs or big databases, the RAM is overkill (as is the 1TB SSD).

The PSU choice also seems much, even if you're overclocking the CPU and graphics card.

Though really, without an idea of what you want to do with this computer, we're just blind guessing or projecting our own use cases onto any advice.

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 19:04:48 »

What are you trying to achieve with that build- does it have a primary objective or perhaps a series of common use cases?


It's hard to infer- without an explanation it looks like you've just semi-randomly thrown some reasonably high end parts into a box.

It looks kind of like a mix of gaming (video card), rendering/transcoding (CPU) and VM (reasonably large RAM). But if you're not doing all three of these things, it would make sense to modify the spec a bit. For example, if you're mainly gaming, the CPU is complete overkill over an unlocked i5. If you're not running VMs or big databases, the RAM is overkill (as is the 1TB SSD).

The PSU choice also seems much, even if you're overclocking the CPU and graphics card.

Though really, without an idea of what you want to do with this computer, we're just blind guessing or projecting our own use cases onto any advice.


This is how I know ur a n00b..

Can't you tell what he wants from that V1 Build? 


I can see the heart in the machine with only half that list..

Kid wants to play some dota and listen to pop-music..

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 19:25:53 »
The reason You're going to need Water cooling for this setup is if you were NOT going to delid..

If you WERE to delid.. then air cooling is sufficient and in most cases better...

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 19:50:48 »
The reason You're going to need Water cooling for this setup is if you were NOT going to delid..

If you WERE to delid.. then air cooling is sufficient and in most cases better...

What is delid? Is like some kind of computer circumcision ?  :eek:

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 19:51:50 »
The reason You're going to need Water cooling for this setup is if you were NOT going to delid..

If you WERE to delid.. then air cooling is sufficient and in most cases better...

What is delid? Is like some kind of computer circumcision ?  :eek:

Hahhahahahahahah


Yea kinda...

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 19:56:07 »
Yeah you could save in a couple of areas. First you shouldnt bother with a 1tb SSD, you have a mass storage drive, 256 or 512 is plenty to hold a good number of games and programs. For power, you dont need 750W, the 980 is very low power, consider something in the 450-550 range. Lastly, if all you are doing is gaming, save some more cash and get a lower tear i7 or even an i5, your gaming performance will be about the same. If you save enough, I would put it back towards a better monitor. No use having a great PC and then a ****ty monitor. Strive to get a 2560x1440 monitor from a more respected name like Asus or Dell.

just my two cents.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 19:57:21 »
Yeah you could save in a couple of areas. First you shouldnt bother with a 1tb SSD, you have a mass storage drive, 256 or 512 is plenty to hold a good number of games and programs. For power, you dont need 750W, the 980 is very low power, consider something in the 450-550 range. Lastly, if all you are doing is gaming, save some more cash and get a lower tear i7 or even an i5, your gaming performance will be about the same. If you save enough, I would put it back towards a better monitor. No use having a great PC and then a ****ty monitor. Strive to get a 2560x1440 monitor from a more respected name like Asus or Dell.

just my two cents.

Low tier i7 and i5 are NOT the same as a 4.8ghz i7/i5

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 21:11:57 »

This is how I know ur a n00b..

Can't you tell what he wants from that V1 Build? 


I can see the heart in the machine with only half that list..

Kid wants to play some dota and listen to pop-music..

Oh, sorry, did I forget that is it the standard geekhack thing to always just encourage the pointless buying of more stuff?

In that case he defo needs some fans with coloured LEDs.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 20 February 2015, 21:54:23 »
@OP: Those 3TB Seagates came out pretty badly in a bunch of data released by Backblaze last year. The analysis wasn't perfect and there are criticism of how it was performed, but real life data on large number of drives is almost impossible to come by- there simply isn't anything else comparable out there.

I'd personally look for Hitachis or at the 4TB Seagates (though I have had a handful of both the 3TB and 4TBs running 24x7 for a couple of years with no issues yet).

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 21 February 2015, 05:44:58 »

This is how I know ur a n00b..

Can't you tell what he wants from that V1 Build? 


I can see the heart in the machine with only half that list..

Kid wants to play some dota and listen to pop-music..

Oh, sorry, did I forget that is it the standard geekhack thing to always just encourage the pointless buying of more stuff?

In that case he defo needs some fans with coloured LEDs.

where have I encouraged buying more stuff..

I only encourage making the budget count..

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 21 February 2015, 19:50:45 »
I don't suppose you can get in to a MicroCenter.. you can save a ton on cpu/motherboard by buying them in store.


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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 21 February 2015, 20:33:40 »
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pVCjgs


That assumes you can get the CPU/motherboard from a physical MicroCenter location

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 03:24:38 »
To reply to some comments. This is going to be a gaming and work station (Too a degree on the latter) My choice in a cooler is rather poor now that I look back on it, looking at the average temps and sound it makes.

And while the i7 variant vs the i5 does not give much to any performance gain in games, it does give a pretty decent performance boost in rendering times, editing and so forth. 

Storage wise, thank you for letting me know on the hard drives, I'll look around at my best options.

And regarding the rather large SSD; as of late we are starting to see some very large games in terms of how many GB's they take up. As we saw not long ago, GTA 5 is going to take up 65gb of room all by it's self. And keep in mind prices will go down at least some in the span of 4 months I'm guessing.

And I don't believe there is a mirco center nearby.

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Re: My planned build thus far.
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 08:16:53 »
case wise you should look into the corsair 750D



Lots of room for pretty much everything, aswell as water cooling goodies since you seem like you're going big.  I'm in the process of a rebuild and this case was the first step.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 08:44:59 »
I'll admit the 750D is a good case..

But if "roomy" is the goal.. the  antec P280 can be had for $50-60 on sale..  and is just as big as the 750D..

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 13:37:55 »
This is GeekHack... CaseLabs.net or die!

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 13:41:00 »
This is GeekHack... CaseLabs.net or die!

I don't like their stuff..   

They're essentially just building large computer "closets" for people who buy way too much hipster ****..   


giant radiators and pumps may have been relevant 3-4 years ago.. but  pretty much the only thing that works better under water TODAY, is an AMD gpu, not even NVidia..

I exclude AMD cpu, because I don't consider them an option at this point.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 13:50:16 »
I like their stuff, but it is expensive.

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 14:36:50 »
I like their stuff, but it is expensive.

They're cool if you want to spend as much on a case as you do on a GPU.
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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 14:44:58 »
Well, I won mine for free, but yeah they definitely aren't cheap..  The quality is impressive tho

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 15:51:17 »
I don't know if it has been mentioned but I'd drop the single 980. Get a 970 then just upgrade to duel 970's when you feel like it.
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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 15:52:51 »
I don't know if it has been mentioned but I'd drop the single 980. Get a 970 then just upgrade to duel 970's when you feel like it.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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hahaha..  970 is not an option, engineering flaw..   

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:19:10 »
970 is just fine :p  especially for the price

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:21:52 »
970 is just fine :p  especially for the price

nuh un.. everyone on the internet is saying nvidia screwed up... and it's not something that can be fixed.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:25:35 »
They are being taken to court over the 970.

Go AMD.

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:27:09 »
They are being taken to court over the 970.

Go AMD.

#teamred

It'd be funny if they had to recall all their gpus..

but I doubt that'll happen..

YEA GO RED TEAM..

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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:28:33 »
They are being taken to court over the 970.

Go AMD.

#teamred

It'd be funny if they had to recall all their gpus..

but I doubt that'll happen..

YEA GO RED TEAM..

I've been red team ever since Intel started fking us up the ass locking the multis

Ahhhh, I don't go that far. Intel CPU, AMD GPU.
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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:29:11 »
I wish #teamred wasn't #teamdead.. nVidia and Intel need something to keep them trying >_<


The 970 is FINE, the marketing of it was a travesty tho, and they deserve to get called out for it.

I hope the rumors that the new AMD cards are off tho, 390x supposed to be a beast (that will use more power than most entire systems without AMD stuff lol)  but the 380 suppose to just be a rebranded 290x?  Bad signs :(

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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:33:04 »
I'm hoping the 390x will be at least 50% faster than the 980.. otherwise NV can just flash a new bios and power up the 980..

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:39:03 »
I'm pretty confident the 390x will blow the current 980 numbers out of the water.. But it apparently requires watercooling like the 295x2 to run :p 

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:40:37 »
Nvidia hasn't even put out the real high end cards yet tho. 

I just hope AMD is able to make NVidia work harder than they do Intel.  AMD cpus are a joke.

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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:45:29 »
Fingers crossed...

290x was underwhelming tbh..

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 16:51:05 »
I'm hoping the new memory tech is amazing..  We REALLY need AMD to do well.

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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 17:26:24 »
I'm putting together a mostly new build myself (reusing some old parts). This is my build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/missalaire/saved/#view=rN8ypg

The CPU, mobo, ram, and coolers are all new. I'll be using the Swiftech H240-X for my CPU and NZXT Kraken G10 with a Kraken x41 most likely to cool my GPU once I upgrade my GTX 670 to a GTX 980. Waiting for Witcher 3 to come out before I upgrade the GPU and get a cooler to work with my G10.
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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 18:09:32 »
The new AMD cards are supposed to come out in like a month or so.

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 18:17:15 »
The new AMD cards are supposed to come out in like a month or so.

Really? This is good news. I've been hoping they'd come out sometime soon and be competitive so Nvidia drops prices on their cards.
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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 18:24:04 »
Yeah, supposedly late March - early April.. the 390x is supposed to come with a closed loop cooler attached.  Wouldn't be surprised if a 980ti and/or a Titan 2 comes out soon after

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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 18:32:20 »
The new AMD cards are supposed to come out in like a month or so.

Really? This is good news. I've been hoping they'd come out sometime soon and be competitive so Nvidia drops prices on their cards.

Then when nVIDIA brings new versions of their cards out, AMD will drop their prices, which is when I will buy a mini MSI card :D they are so cute!
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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 18:47:24 »
970 is just fine :p  especially for the price

nuh un.. everyone on the internet is saying nvidia screwed up... and it's not something that can be fixed.

980 FTW.
200 bucks for that extra 10-20% of juice

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« Reply #46 on: Sun, 22 February 2015, 19:15:43 »
Yeah, I'm using a MSI Gtx 970 Gaming now.. tho I may switch to one with a backplate, I miss the backplate on my 680 :(

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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 09:40:11 »
I too went with gtx970 knowing the 'issues' it has. I think much of it is being wholly blown out of proportion. I wanted an update to my gtx670 2GB card mostly for gaming since it's really starting to struggle on some titles in 1440p. There was no way I will pay $550+ for gtx980 (or any card for that matter). AMD is no option for me. They are so much hotter, louder and more power hungry and I never had anything but problems with their terrible drivers in the past either. Though the last AMD I owned was FireStream 9270. So basically for me it was either buy gtx970, older used card with 4GB, or no upgrade. I regret going cheap on the gtx670 and not getting the 4GB version... I might have lasted through another generation.

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« Reply #48 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 09:56:05 »
I too went with gtx970 knowing the 'issues' it has. I think much of it is being wholly blown out of proportion. I wanted an update to my gtx670 2GB card mostly for gaming since it's really starting to struggle on some titles in 1440p. There was no way I will pay $550+ for gtx980 (or any card for that matter). AMD is no option for me. They are so much hotter, louder and more power hungry and I never had anything but problems with their terrible drivers in the past either. Though the last AMD I owned was FireStream 9270. So basically for me it was either buy gtx970, older used card with 4GB, or no upgrade. I regret going cheap on the gtx670 and not getting the 4GB version... I might have lasted through another generation.

the issue is not blown out of proportion..  the odds of frames dipping into single digits are real..

it's not that it will happen all the time..   


So it's like a car, that will intermittently TURN OFF...   doesn't matter how great the car is,  but if it intermittently turns off here/there while ur driving...  That's a major problem

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 10:00:02 »
I too went with gtx970 knowing the 'issues' it has. I think much of it is being wholly blown out of proportion. I wanted an update to my gtx670 2GB card mostly for gaming since it's really starting to struggle on some titles in 1440p. There was no way I will pay $550+ for gtx980 (or any card for that matter). AMD is no option for me. They are so much hotter, louder and more power hungry and I never had anything but problems with their terrible drivers in the past either. Though the last AMD I owned was FireStream 9270. So basically for me it was either buy gtx970, older used card with 4GB, or no upgrade. I regret going cheap on the gtx670 and not getting the 4GB version... I might have lasted through another generation.

the issue is not blown out of proportion..  the odds of frames dipping into single digits are real..

it's not that it will happen all the time..   


So it's like a car, that will intermittently TURN OFF...   doesn't matter how great the car is,  but if it intermittently turns off here/there while ur driving...  That's a major problem

The issues are blown WAY out of proportion.. who bought a gtx 970 planning on using it for 4k or multi monitor surround gaming?  The 970 absolutely destroys 1080p and is more than enough for 1440.
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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 10:02:12 »
Still.. they deserve to be kicked in the ass pretty hard for how they marketed the 970.  If they would have been upfront about the engineering gymnastics involved with the card, they could have spun it as a  positive, instead of looking like a bunch of shady *******s.

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 10:05:48 »
I too went with gtx970 knowing the 'issues' it has. I think much of it is being wholly blown out of proportion. I wanted an update to my gtx670 2GB card mostly for gaming since it's really starting to struggle on some titles in 1440p. There was no way I will pay $550+ for gtx980 (or any card for that matter). AMD is no option for me. They are so much hotter, louder and more power hungry and I never had anything but problems with their terrible drivers in the past either. Though the last AMD I owned was FireStream 9270. So basically for me it was either buy gtx970, older used card with 4GB, or no upgrade. I regret going cheap on the gtx670 and not getting the 4GB version... I might have lasted through another generation.

the issue is not blown out of proportion..  the odds of frames dipping into single digits are real..

it's not that it will happen all the time..   


So it's like a car, that will intermittently TURN OFF...   doesn't matter how great the car is,  but if it intermittently turns off here/there while ur driving...  That's a major problem

The issues are blown WAY out of proportion.. who bought a gtx 970 planning on using it for 4k or multi monitor surround gaming?  The 970 absolutely destroys 1080p and is more than enough for 1440.

many people bought the 970 for SLI on 2560x1600..  if you add 4x AA to that, you can easily exceed 3.5GB

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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 10:20:57 »
I too went with gtx970 knowing the 'issues' it has. I think much of it is being wholly blown out of proportion. I wanted an update to my gtx670 2GB card mostly for gaming since it's really starting to struggle on some titles in 1440p. There was no way I will pay $550+ for gtx980 (or any card for that matter). AMD is no option for me. They are so much hotter, louder and more power hungry and I never had anything but problems with their terrible drivers in the past either. Though the last AMD I owned was FireStream 9270. So basically for me it was either buy gtx970, older used card with 4GB, or no upgrade. I regret going cheap on the gtx670 and not getting the 4GB version... I might have lasted through another generation.

the issue is not blown out of proportion..  the odds of frames dipping into single digits are real..

it's not that it will happen all the time..   


So it's like a car, that will intermittently TURN OFF...   doesn't matter how great the car is,  but if it intermittently turns off here/there while ur driving...  That's a major problem

The issues are blown WAY out of proportion.. who bought a gtx 970 planning on using it for 4k or multi monitor surround gaming?  The 970 absolutely destroys 1080p and is more than enough for 1440.

many people bought the 970 for SLI on 2560x1600..  if you add 4x AA to that, you can easily exceed 3.5GB

I'm pretty sure 'many people' and 2560x1600 are mutually exclusive statements.. but a SINGLE 970 seems to run pretty much any benchmark I've seen pretty well at 2560x1440 with 4x AA

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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 23 February 2015, 10:34:27 »
It can't be worse than what happens with 2GB card paging to system ram or even worse yet to disk once memory is out on the GPU. Talk about crushing the FPS. While it depends on the game, in many case you can turn certain setting that eats vram down or even off without seeing much difference if any playing at 1440p. You have a much higher pixel density so you don't notice so much jaggies and etc so you can turn it down for better performance and it still doesn't look awful.
It's a mid tier card, so people shouldn't expect it not to have some concession. Mid tier stuff is always crippled in some way or another compared to the *80 and anything else at the top like Titan. Some people simply have unreasonable expectations.
Did nvidia make some mistake... maybe. It's possible they could have made some other design decision that could have been better but it's too late now. As long as it's better than what it's going to be replacing it's still a fine choice.

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« Reply #54 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 04:57:45 »
I too went with gtx970 knowing the 'issues' it has. I think much of it is being wholly blown out of proportion. I wanted an update to my gtx670 2GB card mostly for gaming since it's really starting to struggle on some titles in 1440p. There was no way I will pay $550+ for gtx980 (or any card for that matter). AMD is no option for me. They are so much hotter, louder and more power hungry and I never had anything but problems with their terrible drivers in the past either. Though the last AMD I owned was FireStream 9270. So basically for me it was either buy gtx970, older used card with 4GB, or no upgrade. I regret going cheap on the gtx670 and not getting the 4GB version... I might have lasted through another generation.

the issue is not blown out of proportion..  the odds of frames dipping into single digits are real..

it's not that it will happen all the time..   


So it's like a car, that will intermittently TURN OFF...   doesn't matter how great the car is,  but if it intermittently turns off here/there while ur driving...  That's a major problem

The issues are blown WAY out of proportion.. who bought a gtx 970 planning on using it for 4k or multi monitor surround gaming?  The 970 absolutely destroys 1080p and is more than enough for 1440.

many people bought the 970 for SLI on 2560x1600..  if you add 4x AA to that, you can easily exceed 3.5GB

I'm pretty sure 'many people' and 2560x1600 are mutually exclusive statements.. but a SINGLE 970 seems to run pretty much any benchmark I've seen pretty well at 2560x1440 with 4x AA

The benches don't always cover large frame dips..

For example..  what if you had a game going,  then minimized it, and the card didn't flush that,  and you loaded another game..  in this case you'd hit the 3.5..

now you have to go back and close the other game... 

many programs now use the GPU cache as well,... 


point is.. if you have a 970, odds are it's ok if you work around the kinks..

but,   if you went and BOUGHT one today,  that's just "needless aggravation"..

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« Reply #55 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 10:12:40 »
I bought a 970 after 'ramgate' after reading all about the problem.. I game at 1080p currently, and since my plan for this year is to finally actually build a keyboard, I don't see my wife letting me buy a new monitor any time soon :p

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 24 February 2015, 17:14:49 »
I bought a 970 after 'ramgate' after reading all about the problem.. I game at 1080p currently, and since my plan for this year is to finally actually build a keyboard, I don't see my wife letting me buy a new monitor any time soon :p



Well, if the wife only has a few thousand miles on it, surely you can trade in for a pretty sweet Gaming PC setup.

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« Reply #57 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 13:27:09 »
I bought a 970 after 'ramgate' after reading all about the problem.. I game at 1080p currently, and since my plan for this year is to finally actually build a keyboard, I don't see my wife letting me buy a new monitor any time soon :p



Well, if the wife only has a few thousand miles on it, surely you can trade in for a pretty sweet Gaming PC setup.

Then I would have to get a job and stuff, right?

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« Reply #58 on: Thu, 05 March 2015, 13:29:33 »
I bought a 970 after 'ramgate' after reading all about the problem.. I game at 1080p currently, and since my plan for this year is to finally actually build a keyboard, I don't see my wife letting me buy a new monitor any time soon :p



Well, if the wife only has a few thousand miles on it, surely you can trade in for a pretty sweet Gaming PC setup.

Then I would have to get a job and stuff, right?

well.. yea... i guess if she's ur sugar-momma, there's more reason to appease her...


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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 13 June 2015, 19:05:12 »
The Qnix might have pwm flicker which can cause headaches. Mine does and to get rid of the flicker i have to keep the backlight at 100 percent. I use my video card driver to lower the brightness.

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« Reply #60 on: Sat, 13 June 2015, 21:07:47 »
The Fractal Design Define range is tip top you will not be disappointed.

I disagree with earlier suggestion to get a smaller SSD, games are pushing 60GB these days.

Consider getting second HDD and mirror in case a drive fails.

While Noctuas are great you could get something cheaper that performs well. You could just get the thing everyone gets and loves: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005O65JXI/

You should go for lower wattage on the PSU.

I can't imagine the monitor is that good for that price?

Unlocked Core-i5 is fine.