So that Baltimore thing.

[tp4tissue]

What do ya'll think..


Police Brutality 

vs

Gangbangn' Drug dealer


respectively symbolic of White-Oppression upon the Black Underclass

[sethk_]

This is like Ferguson. People are angry, and the only logical thing to do is break out in riots, and then get angry when the police try to stop an illegal thing...

[tp4tissue]

This is like Ferguson. People are angry, and the only logical thing to do is break out in riots, and then get angry when the police try to stop an illegal thing...

Well in both cases,  it's about "more" than the Instigating event itself..

It's about the "general and highly-prevalent" injustice that has come from racism.. which has continues through our modern era.



Certainly an eye for an eye is the worst way to reciprocate.


But conventional game-theory does indicate that the Least reasonable party at play will come off with a larger piece of the pie..

[sethk_]

This is like Ferguson. People are angry, and the only logical thing to do is break out in riots, and then get angry when the police try to stop an illegal thing...

Well in both cases,  it's about "more" than the Instigating event itself..

It's about the "general and highly-prevalent" injustice that has come from racism.. which has continues through our modern era.



Certainly an eye for an eye is the worst way to reciprocate.


But conventional game-theory does indicate that the Least reasonable party at play will come off with a larger piece of the pie..

As awful as it sounds, they are only making it worse for themselves. If you are going to act out like this when a black person gets killed unfairly, and thousands riot, yes, there are still racist cops that should not be handling a gun, but if I were a police officer, I would be on edge regardless. In some cases, the killings were justified, but in this case it wasn't.

[ghostjuggernaut]

This guy sums it up really well.

[noisyturtle]

WORLDSTAR!

[R1N3]

Freddie Gray, a piece of **** drug dealer, getting his back broken by piece of **** cops is just a symptom of the actual cancer eating away at urban America.

Baltimore is a notorious ****hole. Cops in notorious ****holes give literally no ****s about human life because the human life in these notorious ****holes give no ****s about them. There will never be a sense of community between police and citizens in notorious ****holes like Baltimore. There's a quota to meet and police are farming citizens for $$$ and citizens are drug farming each other for $$$.

[ghostjuggernaut]

Seconded that Baltimore is a ****hole. I've lived, and visited, many major cities around the US. Baltimore is second on my list of worthless piece of trash towns, just below Camden.

[noisyturtle]

Seconded that Baltimore is a ****hole. I've lived, and visited, many major cities around the US. Baltimore is second on my list of worthless piece of trash towns, just below Camden.

That's simply untrue, Baltimore is a unique and beautiful city that is obviously too full of culture and personality to ever have an effect of some sheltered suburban half-racist heathen from the south.  Just because you guys have watched The Wire doesn't make you in any way a critic of one of the East Coasts most multi-faceted cities. Baltimore is like the Portland of the East Coast.

[R1N3]

Seconded that Baltimore is a ****hole. I've lived, and visited, many major cities around the US. Baltimore is second on my list of worthless piece of trash towns, just below Camden.

That's simply untrue, Baltimore is a unique and beautiful city that is obviously too full of culture and personality to ever have an effect of some sheltered suburban half-racist heathen from the south.  Just because you guys have watched The Wire doesn't make you in any way a critic of one of the East Coasts most multi-faceted cities. Baltimore is like the Portland of the East Coast.

I legit lold

[Novus]

Seconded that Baltimore is a ****hole. I've lived, and visited, many major cities around the US. Baltimore is second on my list of worthless piece of trash towns, just below Camden.

That's simply untrue, Baltimore is a unique and beautiful city that is obviously too full of culture and personality to ever have an effect of some sheltered suburban half-racist heathen from the south.  Just because you guys have watched The Wire doesn't make you in any way a critic of one of the East Coasts most multi-faceted cities. Baltimore is like the Portland of the East Coast.

Thanks for your input

[tp4tissue]

OK guys not ALL of Baltimore is bad.   Just as not allll rubberdome keyboards are bad.

[baldgye]

Seconded that Baltimore is a ****hole. I've lived, and visited, many major cities around the US. Baltimore is second on my list of worthless piece of trash towns, just below Camden.

That's simply untrue, Baltimore is a unique and beautiful city that is obviously too full of culture and personality to ever have an effect of some sheltered suburban half-racist heathen from the south.  Just because you guys have watched The Wire doesn't make you in any way a critic of one of the East Coasts most multi-faceted cities. Baltimore is like the Portland of the East Coast.

The Wire is more a critic of America than Baltimore specifically. And as someone who has watched it 4-5 times all the way through I consider myself a more than qualified critic of America, given the 'qualifications' of  American news reporters...

[katushkin]

Freddie Gray, a piece of **** drug dealer, getting his back broken by piece of **** cops is just a symptom of the actual cancer eating away at urban America.

Baltimore is a notorious ****hole. Cops in notorious ****holes give literally no ****s about human life because the human life in these notorious ****holes give no ****s about them. There will never be a sense of community between police and citizens in notorious ****holes like Baltimore. There's a quota to meet and police are farming citizens for $$$ and citizens are drug farming each other for $$$.

This is pretty much the most neutral yet truthful comment about the situation I have heard. The fact that this has been going on for decades widely eludes people, and they only notice it when an innocent person gets caught up in it. Violence targeted at law enforcement is not caused by police brutality, and visa versa. It happens. You can't tell either parties to stop doing it, because both will point fingers and say the other one started it first.

It's a ****ty situation with potentially no out.

[billnye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

[tp4tissue]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

In our American oligarchy, the police serve and protect the "wealthy ruling class"

They're symbolic of the whip, in the hands of our masters.


Anyone who believes we actually have capitalism and democracy is wholly naive.

[vivalarevolución]

I just hope this results in another season of The Wire.

[baldgye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

[billnye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

[baldgye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

wait police officers have been injured?!!?!!?!


BRING IN THE POLICE TANKS

[azhdar]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

In our American oligarchy, the police serve and protect the "wealthy ruling class"

They're symbolic of the whip, in the hands of our masters.


Anyone who believes we actually have capitalism and democracy is wholly naive.

We have this man, capitalism: I get to buy thing from all over the world in order to destroy local economy isn't that great?

Democracy: every few years I get to chose which greedy politicans get to steal my money, I couldn't be happier.

I ain't naive man, I trully believe in the system.
/s

[billnye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

In our American oligarchy, the police serve and protect the "wealthy ruling class"

They're symbolic of the whip, in the hands of our masters.


Anyone who believes we actually have capitalism and democracy is wholly naive.

We have this man, capitalism: I get to buy thing from all over the world in order to destroy local economy isn't that great?

Democracy: every few years I get to chose which greedy politicans get to steal my money, I couldn't be happier.

I ain't naive man, I trully believe in the system.
/s

Socialist Europeans at it again

[azhdar]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

In our American oligarchy, the police serve and protect the "wealthy ruling class"

They're symbolic of the whip, in the hands of our masters.


Anyone who believes we actually have capitalism and democracy is wholly naive.

We have this man, capitalism: I get to buy thing from all over the world in order to destroy local economy isn't that great?

Democracy: every few years I get to chose which greedy politicans get to steal my money, I couldn't be happier.

I ain't naive man, I trully believe in the system.
/s

Socialist Europeans at it again

no National Socialism in Europe.

Wait a second ...

[baldgye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

In our American oligarchy, the police serve and protect the "wealthy ruling class"

They're symbolic of the whip, in the hands of our masters.


Anyone who believes we actually have capitalism and democracy is wholly naive.

We have this man, capitalism: I get to buy thing from all over the world in order to destroy local economy isn't that great?

Democracy: every few years I get to chose which greedy politicans get to steal my money, I couldn't be happier.

I ain't naive man, I trully believe in the system.
/s

Socialist Europeans at it again

More like COMMUNIST!

Quick send in the police Army!!

[effectiveduck]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

[tp4tissue]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

In our American oligarchy, the police serve and protect the "wealthy ruling class"

They're symbolic of the whip, in the hands of our masters.


Anyone who believes we actually have capitalism and democracy is wholly naive.

We have this man, capitalism: I get to buy thing from all over the world in order to destroy local economy isn't that great?

Democracy: every few years I get to chose which greedy politicans get to steal my money, I couldn't be happier.

I ain't naive man, I trully believe in the system.
/s

Socialist Europeans at it again

Azhdar is not socialist,   he is part of the middle-class whose sole aspiration is to one day become one of the wealthy exploiters. haahaha...

Nothing wrong with being human,  but let's call it what it is..

[baldgye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

pretty sure that last parts not true

[billnye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

How do the police know that one of the rioters doesn't have a gun? And all active-duty police officers I have seen are wearing a vest anyway, so the only real difference I see here is that these police have assualt weapons.

Black people commit the most violent crime in America, therefore they are the most common race to be in altercations with the police. No one focuses on "How can we repair these communities to stop the spread of crime?", it's "Oh no the police are racist! They only kill black people!".

And your last fact is not true, black people commit and are convicted of far more crime than any other race in the US. http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm

[effectiveduck]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

pretty sure that last parts not true

https://ferguson-racial-profiling-data.silk.co/

[tp4tissue]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

How do the police know that one of the rioters doesn't have a gun? And all active-duty police officers I have seen are wearing a vest anyway, so the only real difference I see here is that these police have assualt weapons.

Black people commit the most violent crime in America, therefore they are the most common race to be in altercations with the police. No one focuses on "How can we repair these communities to stop the spread of crime?", it's "Oh no the police are racist! They only kill black people!".

And your last fact is not true, black people commit and are convicted of far more crime than any other race in the US. http://www.cga.ct.gov/2008/rpt/2008-R-0008.htm

They commit crimes because they are poor, and the payoff to crime is equivalent OR higher than their immediate other income opportunities..

This has nothing to do with Merely BEING BLACK...

White people born into these neighborhoods commit the same crimes..



Economic inequality,  Which BEGAN in the slave era is still happening today..

[baldgye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

pretty sure that last parts not true

https://ferguson-racial-profiling-data.silk.co/

Bill beat me too it, there was also an epic post on reddit linking FBI database info about how basically regardless of economic background black people commit more crime and more violent crime than any other race in America despite being a minority.


But I agree with you about the insane militarisation of the american police force. If they need to go to such extreme levels in order to defend them selfs from the public, don't you think it's time they started limiting gun access and exerting some kind of control on the sale of weapons....

[billnye]

Economic inequality,  Which BEGAN in the slave era is still happening today..

Can't tell if tp4 post or serious... )

[hwood34]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

pretty sure that last parts not true

https://ferguson-racial-profiling-data.silk.co/

Bill beat me too it, there was also an epic post on reddit linking FBI database info about how basically regardless of economic background black people commit more crime and more violent crime than any other race in America despite being a minority.


But I agree with you about the insane militarisation of the american police force. If they need to go to such extreme levels in order to defend them selfs from the public, don't you think it's time they started limiting gun access and exerting some kind of control on the sale of weapons....

try telling that to every hick and cop baiting douche who wants to be able to open carry his AR 15 around town...

But it's for protection, right?

[billnye]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

pretty sure that last parts not true

https://ferguson-racial-profiling-data.silk.co/

Bill beat me too it, there was also an epic post on reddit linking FBI database info about how basically regardless of economic background black people commit more crime and more violent crime than any other race in America despite being a minority.


But I agree with you about the insane militarisation of the american police force. If they need to go to such extreme levels in order to defend them selfs from the public, don't you think it's time they started limiting gun access and exerting some kind of control on the sale of weapons....

try telling that to every hick and cop baiting douche who wants to be able to open carry his AR 15 around town...

But it's for protection, right?

>using a small minority to describe the whole population of gun owners

najs

[hwood34]

Hurr durr lemme protest police violence by looting stores and burning stuff!!

quick! send in the Army Police!

Show Image

Oh no! The police are protecting themselves from violent rioters who have already injured multiple other officers!

How does a bullet proof vest protect an officer from a rock or a Molotov? It doesn't, riot gear and more specifically, a shield, does, it's an escalation of force, and it's the same thing that happens all the time. The militarization of the American police force is ridiculous, it's not a war zone.

In my opinion the people of Baltimore and the rest America have a right to be pissed off, and I will agree with you that rioting doesn't help they're situation but it isn't the issue, it's the result of people frustration with the police force. The issue is the leap to lethal force and police aggression that has resulted in too many lives lost for no reason, most if not all of them being black, which isn't nothing, it shows the systematic racism within the police force. That's what this is about, there are numerous statistics that show that people of colour are stopped by police way more than Caucasian's, yet the number of people convicted is basically the same. It's about the systematic racism.

pretty sure that last parts not true

https://ferguson-racial-profiling-data.silk.co/

Bill beat me too it, there was also an epic post on reddit linking FBI database info about how basically regardless of economic background black people commit more crime and more violent crime than any other race in America despite being a minority.


But I agree with you about the insane militarisation of the american police force. If they need to go to such extreme levels in order to defend them selfs from the public, don't you think it's time they started limiting gun access and exerting some kind of control on the sale of weapons....

try telling that to every hick and cop baiting douche who wants to be able to open carry his AR 15 around town...

But it's for protection, right?

>using a small minority to describe the whole population of gun owners

najs

The majority of gun owners wouldn't even be affected by tighter gun control, but somehow a vocal minority manages to put down every attempt to regulate

[vivalarevolución]

And here comes the closest racists of Geekhack.

[baldgye]

And here comes the closest racists of Geekhack.

Quick! get the...

[tp4tissue]

And here comes the closest racists of Geekhack.

hahahahahahahaha...

Yea, from reading the posts thus far,   there seems to be MANY..  more than I would've thought.

[ttzhou]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill effectiveduck (sorry billnye, my bad!) says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

[baldgye]

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

try telling that to the Scots!

[billnye]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

Well said sir.

However, I did not say "basically" that was effectiveduck.

[tp4tissue]

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

try telling that to the Scots!

Karma bdguy karma..  it's persists longer than ever in our forget-free digital age.

[baldgye]

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

try telling that to the Scots!

Karma bdguy karma..  it's persists longer than ever in our forget-free digital age.

What?
(to get off topic) the only reason Scotland was part of the UK was because they asked us to let them in because there economy had gone to ****, we saved them and brought them into the UK. All we get in return is a tax hole, less rights over how our country (a country that is many many times the pop size of scoland) is run and on top of that get endless **** about how awful we are. Leading upto the vote I wanted Scotland to be in the uk b/c we are all adults and should be able to play nicely, now though they have extra power over laws and rules which do not effect them, on the basis of what, **** the english?

[azhdar]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

"THEY" have nothing to gain from all of us getting along. They generate wars and start riots always the same way, by hiring a few mercenaries that make a mess and people dumbly following it. It has been proven multiples time.
The one in power gain more from us fighting each other (selling weapon and other security related items, passing laws ...).
Wars, riots, aswell as all other major events (whether it is created or just happened) are just a distraction for the mass while pigs feed themselves.

[baldgye]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

"THEY" have nothing to gain from all of us getting along. They generate wars and start riots always the same way, by hiring a few mercenaries that make a mess and people dumbly following it. It has been proven multiples time.
The one in power gain more from us fighting each other (selling weapon and other security related items, passing laws ...).
Wars, riots, aswell as all other major events (whether it is created or just happened) are just a distraction for the mass while pigs feed themselves.

[effectiveduck]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

Well said sir.

However, I did not say "basically" that was effectiveduck.

I should have been more clear, it was based on a few studies I'd read as well as John Oliver' segment on Ferguson(which I highly recommend as it's on point and hilarious). Here in Australia we have similar issues with our indigenous population, the main reason it's never talked about is because most people don't care and I feel like that was the case in the states until people started to sit up and pay attention.

[ttzhou]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

"THEY" have nothing to gain from all of us getting along. They generate wars and start riots always the same way, by hiring a few mercenaries that make a mess and people dumbly following it. It has been proven multiples time.
The one in power gain more from us fighting each other (selling weapon and other security related items, passing laws ...).
Wars, riots, aswell as all other major events (whether it is created or just happened) are just a distraction for the mass while pigs feed themselves.

Who is "they"? Where is your proof? This sounds so much like something pulled from some book.

[ttzhou]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

Well said sir.

However, I did not say "basically" that was effectiveduck.

Apologies, I am very bad at noting locations of posts in a forums. Will edit accordingly! 

[azhdar]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

"THEY" have nothing to gain from all of us getting along. They generate wars and start riots always the same way, by hiring a few mercenaries that make a mess and people dumbly following it. It has been proven multiples time.
The one in power gain more from us fighting each other (selling weapon and other security related items, passing laws ...).
Wars, riots, aswell as all other major events (whether it is created or just happened) are just a distraction for the mass while pigs feed themselves.

Who is "they"? Where is your proof? This sounds so much like something pulled from some book.

Politics, Corporations,the one that would sell their own mother for profit. So much proof were found, what striked me the most recently was when France went to war against Islamics in Mali. After the army invested camps they found french paperworks in the huts. This paperwork was payment from the Pôle Emploi, our militaries where fighting against french mercenaries payed by the same government. They just had a different disguise and had to rememeber to yell "allah hakbar" everytime they met a camera.
Could link those things to you but my sources are from french websites. So much more lies on Irak, Syria ... Depressing.

[baldgye]

As an outsider in a country where this issue is nowhere near as rampant, with many black friends myself, I think the problem is way too complicated to just be throwing around absolutes.

1. Yes, I have read that black people on average statistically commit more crimes in America, though I'm interested about the part where bill says "*basically* regardless of economic background". In particular, it's the "basically" modifier that intrigues me - can you make this more precise?

2. *WHY* is this the case? Is it a systemic issue? Culture? Media? Family environment? How can we fix it? Or is it so difficult and entrenched in American society/history that it is unresolvable? This is what really interests me. If only we could scientifically test this. But people are too sensitive and politically correct to entertain the notion. Science and effective problem resolution is so often held back by these bleeding heart sentimentalities...

Anyway, I'm inclined to lean towards tp4 on this. I really think a big part of the crime element is simply economic inequality.  I have known poor white people who commit violent crime, because they don't know any other way. On the other hand, I know lots of super poor Asian immigrants who are still very law abiding and raise their kids right. Is it an innate, racial thing? I don't know. We can't say without cold, hard evidence. Anecdotal observations don't count.

Most of my black friends come from educated backgrounds and good family environments and they would never act like these rioting trash heaps. However, they do recognize that in some cases, yes, the police do act unfairly towards minorities, and I think that is a justified assertion. Do I think all cops are bad? No, maybe 1% fit the bill of bad cop, and another 1% have really, really poor decision making skills (like the SC shooting). I think 98% of police officers are good people who just want to go home to their families. But it's hard to do this when you are in a poverty stricken area where people have been conditioned to hate the police.

Anyway, tl;dr we should all just get along.

"THEY" have nothing to gain from all of us getting along. They generate wars and start riots always the same way, by hiring a few mercenaries that make a mess and people dumbly following it. It has been proven multiples time.
The one in power gain more from us fighting each other (selling weapon and other security related items, passing laws ...).
Wars, riots, aswell as all other major events (whether it is created or just happened) are just a distraction for the mass while pigs feed themselves.

Who is "they"? Where is your proof? This sounds so much like something pulled from some book.

Politics, Corporations,the one that would sell their own mother for profit. So much proof were found, what striked me the most recently was when France went to war against Islamics in Mali. After the army invested camps they found french paperworks in the huts. This paperwork was payment from the P�le Emploi, our militaries where fighting against french mercenaries payed by the same government. They just had a different disguise and had to rememeber to yell "allah hakbar" everytime they met a camera.
Could link those things to you but my sources are from french websites. So much more lies on Irak, Syria ... Depressing.

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