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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #150 on: Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:01:38 »
I miss the charm bar.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #151 on: Fri, 31 July 2015, 20:23:36 »
I downloaded Windows 10 off MSDN, but haven't found the time to set it up yet. I'll chuck it onto a spare laptop. Not planning to use it on my main system.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #152 on: Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:10:05 »
I'm about to upgrade my Windows 8 VM here at home on my Ubuntu desktop. I'm not going to upgrade my Windows 7 VM, though. That one is still useful.

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Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #153 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 00:35:11 »
What can I do to stop iCloud from keep on notifying me that I've run out of space? Or Flickr Uploadr telling me every 5 minutes it has uploaded photos.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #154 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 02:14:57 »
Just got done clean installing it on my desktop. So far no issues in terms of stuff not working, just need to adjust to all the ui changes.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #155 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 04:24:35 »
I miss the charm bar.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #156 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 06:10:17 »
the cmd window is kinda hard to read in win10 due to the new fonts

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #158 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 08:34:28 »
I miss the charm bar.

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the cmd window is kinda hard to read in win10 due to the new fonts


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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #160 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 08:36:43 »
Oh, and on the upside, Windows 10 appears to have solved my issues with the fan on my Surface Pro 3 going like gangbusters when I'm not playing audio over the internal speaker.

Yay.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #161 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 17:09:24 »
Does anyone know if there's a way to stop the mouse from sticking to the edge of the screen when moving a window between monitors and still have the window snapping enabled?
It's really annoying  >:D

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #162 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 17:47:34 »
One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #163 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 17:54:40 »
One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #164 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:00:19 »
One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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but,  really..  what's wrong with my theme..  I think it is very CLEAN..   I remove all unnecessary information including most flashy colors.


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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #165 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:11:25 »
One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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This only further proves your not a real human

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but,  really..  what's wrong with my theme..  I think it is very CLEAN..   I remove all unnecessary information including most flashy colors.

So many drives! (What happened to G)?) What could someone need so much space for?! My entire MP3 and video collection would fit on just one of those.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #166 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:13:28 »
One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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This only further proves your not a real human

Human I R 2..


but,  really..  what's wrong with my theme..  I think it is very CLEAN..   I remove all unnecessary information including most flashy colors.

So many drives! (What happened to G)?) What could someone need so much space for?! My entire MP3 and video collection would fit on just one of those.

G-Drive  is none of your business..   on a need to know basis..







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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #167 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:24:22 »
One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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This only further proves your not a real human

Human I R 2..


but,  really..  what's wrong with my theme..  I think it is very CLEAN..   I remove all unnecessary information including most flashy colors.

So many drives! (What happened to G)?) What could someone need so much space for?! My entire MP3 and video collection would fit on just one of those.
Tp4 stores all his kinky Pornography on the G-drive...It's none of your business because he's afraid of the prejudice involved with letting people glance at this library...  :))

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #168 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:26:13 »

Tp4 stores all his kinky Pornography on the G-drive...It's none of your business because he's afraid of the prejudice involved with letting people glance at this library...  :))

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #169 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:50:13 »
G drive is where the cheese pizza's at

I'm upgrading to 10 right now... hope I don't regret this. I hate change.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #170 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:56:25 »
The G-drive is a myth. It doesn't exist.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #171 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:58:02 »
One time I made some changes to Win 10 and it asked me to restart for the changes to take effect, I did and was surprised to see the Win 8 logo as it restarts. I didn't do a clean install, it's an upgrade. It's all a farce!!
 

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #172 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:59:43 »
I think I've cracked it.
tp4 isn't human and this lack of a G drive is the proof.
There was a G drive, but tp4 decided to let it out in the open, as a machine he cannot build boards himself but he can give life to components from within him. Thus he decided to give life to one of his drives, the drive he stored many keyboard pictures on, his G drive. This is how the best keyboard ever made came into the world. The ROMER-G.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #173 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 20:07:25 »
Install is erroring out after the first restart... apparently I have to unplug the drives with other OSes on them to fix it :-\
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #174 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 20:15:17 »
Has anyone found a way to set certain images to one moniter and another set to the other moniter.  The reason I ask is because I have one in portrait and the other in landscape.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #176 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:20:31 »
Has anyone found a way to set certain images to one moniter and another set to the other moniter.  The reason I ask is because I have one in portrait and the other in landscape.

I tried the "coding monitor" once. Not a fan.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #177 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:52:51 »
installed it, immediately noped and now I'm restoring win 7. they dumbed everything down and everything is so in your face easy access bull****...
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #178 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:18:02 »
installed it, immediately noped and now I'm restoring win 7. they dumbed everything down and everything is so in your face easy access bull****...

You'd better get used to it. This one is going to stick, like it or not.

See, Windows releases follow a simple pattern: good, bad, good, bad, good, bad, ad infinitum:

Windows 3.1: Good
Windows 95: Bad
Windows 98: Good
Windows ME: Bad
Windows XP: Good
Windows Vista: Bad
Windows 7: Good
Windows 8: Bad
Windows 10: TBD

Although...wait. They skipped 9.

WHAT IF 9 WAS THE GOOD ONE?

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #179 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:20:49 »
What about Windows 2000?

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« Reply #180 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:21:35 »
1. That list is so totally inaccurate that even the meme has changed to how inaccurate it is.
2. The reason win9 was skipped was because of backend issues with naming another windows with a 9.  Or at least so I've heard.

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« Reply #181 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:24:02 »
1. That list is so totally inaccurate that even the meme has changed to how inaccurate it is.
2. The reason win9 was skipped was because of backend issues with naming another windows with a 9.  Or at least so I've heard.

Yeah that's what I've heard too.
Though, when the driver issues were sorted by the 3rd parties Vista was actually a good OS. Networking is a bit of a hassle compared with 7 but other than that it's an improvement over XP, the problem was that it was different, a bit heavier and initially had poor driver compatibility which was only because XP was around for so ****ing long.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #182 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:26:41 »
What about Windows 2000?

I skipped the NT releases because it was an entirely different product line until XP re-unified the kernel.

1. That list is so totally inaccurate that even the meme has changed to how inaccurate it is.
2. The reason win9 was skipped was because of backend issues with naming another windows with a 9.  Or at least so I've heard.

Is there a meme for this? This has been my working theory since Vista came out and flopped.

Re: the 9, you are correct.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #183 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:29:06 »
What about Windows 2000?

I skipped the NT releases because it was an entirely different product line until XP re-unified the kernel.

1. That list is so totally inaccurate that even the meme has changed to how inaccurate it is.
2. The reason win9 was skipped was because of backend issues with naming another windows with a 9.  Or at least so I've heard.

Is there a meme for this? This has been my working theory since Vista came out and flopped.

Re: the 9, you are correct.

Vista didn't flop, it just had a poor launch; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Sales

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #184 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 23:28:12 »
As I said, I've had this "theory" for years now, and I've thought about it a lot. In most cases, the flop versions were the really innovative ones.

Windows 3.1 was an incremental release over 3.0, not particularly innovative.

Windows 95 was very innovative: 32-bit kernel, non-DOS disk management, and of course the GUI. The problems were stability, and I particularly remember plug-and-play not actually being very plug-and-play. Kids probably don't realize what a pain installing drivers was before the Internet and Windows Update.

Windows 98 was incremental. USB support was added, and the only real innovation was Active Desktop, which was meh.

Windows ME, while not necessarily an innovative release, sucked due to attempted innovation--this version was supposed to be the one to unify the consumer and business markets by using the NT kernel. When it became clear this was not going to happen, ME was rushed out the door as a buggy disaster.

Windows XP seems like it was very innovative, but it was really mostly just a re-skinned Windows 2000. In this sense it only seemed innovative because it brought NT features to the consumer market for the first time.

Windows Vista was once again the product of failed innovation, namely the WinFS filesystem. AFAIK WinFS never actually came to be, and even Windows 7 still uses NTFS. I think 8 switched to something else more modern, but it's not WinFS or anything like WinFS was supposed to be. The other major innovation here, and the source of a lot of complaints, was the overbearing sandboxing/elevated privileges functionality. This was a really good thing for security, but users hated it because it was implemented poorly. Vista also was a victim of circumstance: as with all other Windows versions, Microsoft presumed upon higher hardware specs. That's when netbooks happened, and Vista ran like a dog on those things.

Windows 7 was great. It was everything good about Vista with none of the bad. But as far as innovation, it was little more than a fixed version of Vista.

Windows 8 was the poster child of innovation. Only problem was, people hated it.

Windows 10 seems to be a Windows 7 redux, but with a Metro UI. I suppose there are some attempts at innovation here, but I either opted out of them or disabled them shortly after installation. Incremental.

So, as you can see, Microsoft has good ideas, but they execute them poorly. The key is to buy the flip versions and avoid the flop versions.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #185 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 01:52:01 »
Does anyone know if there's a way to stop the mouse from sticking to the edge of the screen when moving a window between monitors and still have the window snapping enabled?
It's really annoying  >:D

Virtual desktops don't seem to be working as intended. Chrome tabs sometime refuse to go to a different desktop and once they're there they switch back if you try to move them. Grabbing a window and moving it to the left or right will sometimes move it to a different desktop instead of a different monitor too.
Here's the trick, it only sticks near the top of the screen, drop down a tad and it will slide right across seamlessly.  While it may stink to fight that, at least you can split screen now, which you couldn't before.

I don't use Chrome or Virtual Desktops, so no help there.



One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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There is a secret dark Win10 theme you can enable with a registry hack that is sort of similar.



Vista didn't flop, it just had a poor launch; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#Sales
It's adoption rate was slower but you could mark that up to recently upgraded XP machines, or simply longer lasting computers, but when you have a near perfect monopoly on something people need, your product will sell, good or bad.

And you could make it run decent, it just took a lot of computing power. An average modern computer runs it perfectly fine, problem is, for back then, that was really high end.



1. That list is so totally inaccurate that even the meme has changed to how inaccurate it is.
2. The reason win9 was skipped was because of backend issues with naming another windows with a 9.  Or at least so I've heard.
That's never really been confirmed by MS, it's only speculation. It's a logical reason though, but then, so is making it 10 to compete name-wise with OSX. YOu may say it's dumb, but it's not the first time the software industry has resorted to this sort of thing.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #186 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 02:36:23 »
Did anyone update a computer with a volume license?
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #187 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 07:00:49 »
Does anyone know if there's a way to stop the mouse from sticking to the edge of the screen when moving a window between monitors and still have the window snapping enabled?
It's really annoying  >:D

Virtual desktops don't seem to be working as intended. Chrome tabs sometime refuse to go to a different desktop and once they're there they switch back if you try to move them. Grabbing a window and moving it to the left or right will sometimes move it to a different desktop instead of a different monitor too.
Here's the trick, it only sticks near the top of the screen, drop down a tad and it will slide right across seamlessly.  While it may stink to fight that, at least you can split screen now, which you couldn't before.
The mouse stops at the edge of the monitors no matter how high up or low down it is. The only way to make it not stop is to move it fast.


Has anyone found a way to set certain images to one moniter and another set to the other moniter.  The reason I ask is because I have one in portrait and the other in landscape.

I use DisplayFusion.
I got the Pro version on Steam when it was on sale for like  €7 but the free version should do the trick.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #188 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 09:10:00 »
installed it, immediately noped and now I'm restoring win 7. they dumbed everything down and everything is so in your face easy access bull****...

You'd better get used to it. This one is going to stick, like it or not.

See, Windows releases follow a simple pattern: good, bad, good, bad, good, bad, ad infinitum:

Windows 3.1: Good
Windows 95: Bad
Windows 98: Good
Windows ME: Bad
Windows XP: Good
Windows Vista: Bad
Windows 7: Good
Windows 8: Bad
Windows 10: TBD

Although...wait. They skipped 9.

WHAT IF 9 WAS THE GOOD ONE?

Yeah, my list would read like this:

DOS - Just fine
Windows 95 - Just fine
Windows 98 - Just fine
Windows 98 SE - Just fine
Windows 2000 - Just fine
Windows XP - Just fine
Windows Vista - Just fine
Windows 7 - Just fine
Windows 8 - Just fine
Windows 8.1 - Just fine
Windows 10 - Just fine

People who hate on an OS for no really firm reason are... interesting in my opinion. I never had Windows ME, but I did have a girlfriend who had it on her machine and it was fine. It had some dopey issues sometimes, but at the end of the day, it worked perfectly fine. I have never had a Windows OS really keep me from doing anything and I have jumped on the "next best thing" fairly fast. I installed Windows 10 on release with no fear of any issues. So far, all I need to do is a clean install of my video card drivers because one game is having issues with PhysX. That's it. In place upgrade and everything seems perfectly fine.

What was particularly bad about 95, ME, Vista, or 8? Can you just define that for me at some level? The only "bad" OS I ever used was the initial release of OS X. It had some legit issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_10.0#Criticism_and_Problems

But even that was laying the base for a pretty amazing generation of operating systems for the next 14 years and beyond.

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #189 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 10:25:46 »
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #190 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:41:18 »
People who hate on an OS for no really firm reason are... interesting in my opinion. I never had Windows ME, but I did have a girlfriend who had it on her machine and it was fine. It had some dopey issues sometimes, but at the end of the day, it worked perfectly fine. I have never had a Windows OS really keep me from doing anything and I have jumped on the "next best thing" fairly fast. I installed Windows 10 on release with no fear of any issues. So far, all I need to do is a clean install of my video card drivers because one game is having issues with PhysX. That's it. In place upgrade and everything seems perfectly fine.

What was particularly bad about 95, ME, Vista, or 8? Can you just define that for me at some level? The only "bad" OS I ever used was the initial release of OS X. It had some legit issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_10.0#Criticism_and_Problems

But even that was laying the base for a pretty amazing generation of operating systems for the next 14 years and beyond.

95 was somewhat before my time (the first machine I can recall using had Win98), and I never had the opportunity to use ME.

I did play with three different machines with Vista. Two provided a negative experience, and one was pretty good. The first machine was a HTPC upgraded from XP very near the launch date. In theory it should have met the specs needed for the OS, and it should have managed just fine, but in reality it had a lot of stability problems and it was soon reverted to XP. After SP1 was released, I had an opportunity to play with a few more machines with Vista. One was a laptop barely a step above a netbook. It was stable, but it didn't really have enough memory to do the kind of tasks I wanted to do with it. That's probably my machine that's hopped between the most different operating systems. It went back to XP briefly, but I've also used it with two different versions of Ubuntu, Linux Mint (it also had trouble handling Cinnamon), and right now it's on #!. The third machine I used was a much better experience. It was a prebuilt desktop that came with vista, but it could handle it just fine. I never had any trouble with that machine.

Windows 8 (8.1, really) I still have on a laptop, and I use it, albeit infrequently. I have a couple of complaints about win8 -- although I recognize that they may not be issues for most people, they do represent issues for my workflow. I feel that the start screen takes up far too much real estate for the functionality it provides. I want to be able to hit start, enter a search term, and wait for the search to complete without it taking up my whole screen. In Win7, the start menu took up much less space, and I could keep reading a news article or forum post while I was waiting for the search to complete. This issue can be somewhat mitigated with multiple monitors. I also find myself inadvertently switching to background full screen apps (mostly when I'm borrowing someone else's computer -- I don't use the apps myself). Back before the 8.1 release, I remember getting caught in the charms bar frequently. I'm not sure if something was changed for 8.1 or if I just got better at avoiding it.

I don't really think win8 is bad in any objective sense, I just feel that it was less functional for me than some of the other releases. Vista I do think was bad, at least until SP1 cleaned things up a bit.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #191 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:47:21 »
I am not really a fan of the start menu in Windows 10, I was using 8.1 before and had one of the programs that added a windows 7 style start menu. I very much prefer that to the version in windows 10, I am not a fan of the live tiles at all. I do not see why they are needed, seems to just take up space to me.
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« Reply #192 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:49:11 »
As someone who uses the start menu to navigate the OS, Win8 was a huge problem for me. On top of that they ****ed up and made it really awkward to use 'full screen apps' and desktop programs and then the many different random config windows that where all called the same but did all different things... and the charms. Win8 was a UI nightmare.

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« Reply #193 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:51:01 »
I am not really a fan of the start menu in Windows 10, I was using 8.1 before and had one of the programs that added a windows 7 style start menu. I very much prefer that to the version in windows 10, I am not a fan of the live tiles at all. I do not see why they are needed, seems to just take up space to me.

You can right click and manually remove them all, then drag the start menu slimmer.
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« Reply #194 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:57:54 »
I am not really a fan of the start menu in Windows 10, I was using 8.1 before and had one of the programs that added a windows 7 style start menu. I very much prefer that to the version in windows 10, I am not a fan of the live tiles at all. I do not see why they are needed, seems to just take up space to me.

You can right click and manually remove them all, then drag the start menu slimmer.
I suppose I can, that still does not really make it perfect for me, but I can adapt I guess. Thanks for the tip.

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« Reply #195 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 12:51:39 »


One last question can the UI be changed to look like this...  my 7 darkness setup

Black background ,  Grey 66 text.

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There is a secret dark Win10 theme you can enable with a registry hack that is sort of similar.






Does it allow you to change the text color to Grey...

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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #196 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 19:19:25 »
People who hate on an OS for no really firm reason are... interesting in my opinion. I never had Windows ME, but I did have a girlfriend who had it on her machine and it was fine. It had some dopey issues sometimes, but at the end of the day, it worked perfectly fine. I have never had a Windows OS really keep me from doing anything and I have jumped on the "next best thing" fairly fast. I installed Windows 10 on release with no fear of any issues. So far, all I need to do is a clean install of my video card drivers because one game is having issues with PhysX. That's it. In place upgrade and everything seems perfectly fine.

What was particularly bad about 95, ME, Vista, or 8? Can you just define that for me at some level? The only "bad" OS I ever used was the initial release of OS X. It had some legit issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_10.0#Criticism_and_Problems

But even that was laying the base for a pretty amazing generation of operating systems for the next 14 years and beyond.
95 took a LOT of memory for the time to run correct.
This was a problem because in those days, the cpu was king, no one was espousing the benefits of doubling your memory, even today, people take memory for granted compared to cpu. I had what was considered at the time one of the most powerful systems you could buy, and certainly one of the best on the military base I was at when a person with 1/3rd the computing power ran rings around me with a bit extra ram. I went out the next week and quadrupled my memory and proceeded to lay waste to everything. I've been using twice the industry average ever since. Other than that, people hated it because compared to Win3.11 it was slow and a massive departure. Once you beefed the system and adjusted, it was good, almost as good as 98, it's just that most people never used 95 on a  system properly built for it.

Windows ME is in some ways misrepresented, I will give you that, but not without merit. ME got a reputation partly because of some poor design decisions MS made, sort of like Win8 (not 8.1), but also for stability reasons. Given junk hardware, 98se and ME ran about the same, they crashed, but that was normal back then on Windows, and was a part of life. Those who ran Mac, OS2, BE and Linux knew better, Windows users didn't.  The problem came in though when you built a really good system. On a well built system (and an UPS), 98se could almost match XP for stability in the earlier days of XP. Which in the days of Win98, that was fantastic. When you put ME on that same hardware, you became no more stable than a junk system.

Vista was a disaster.
Vista had massive development problems, which lead to rushing it at the end. It was re-written a few times, it was late, finally they just shoved it out the door. SP1 fixed a lot of issues, but not the performance ones, but what it couldn't fix was what MS and pc manufacturers did with after.  It was bad for some of the same reasons 95 was bad. When Vista came out, it had huge hardware requirements for the time (which MS understated). HP and (I think) Dell had already invested money on their Vista systems, and they were under powered for even what MS was calling for, so instead of losing money, they convinced MS to scale back the hardware requirements even further to something closer to their current XP machines at the time. This allowed them to sell drastically underpowered machines to people making Vista look like a dog.

If you put enough processor and memory in a Vista box, it can run well, however, it takes almost modern hardware to do so. Back then, to make Vista run well required a $1200-$1500 computer (a good dual core, and 4+gigs of ram), at a time when HP and Dell were selling $400 computers and good ones were around $800-900. Would you spend $1200 just to get a decent computer today? The public wasn't having it, manufacturers knew it, so they just limped along hoping 7 would save them (kid of what they did with 8).


Win8 was just poor decision making on MS' part.
They tried using it to leverage their way into tablet sales, a good strategy, but a poorly executed one.

Why? Because a tablet OS intended for a 10in screen doesn't work when blown up onto dual 25in monitors without scaling.
They did a study that showed start menu usage was down 10% on a downward trend and decided they didn't need it. What they failed to see was that people used it as a sub menu to augment their pinned items and desktop icons, a place to shove programs you use less often. That doesn't mean you don't need it or use it, you just use it less, which is actually a good thing, workflow had hit it's stride. While the start menu was no longer the primary focus of the OS, it was still a much needed part, and when I do need it, I certainly don't need it taking over my desktop. It's disjointing and ruins my workflow. 8.1 is better, but it's a bandaid fix, it's still a tablet centric OS shoved onto a desktop. In the end, MS annoyed a lot of people, barely made a scratch in the tablet market, and sold a lot of computers for Apple.

How to tell if an MS OS is a dud, look at how soon they start talking about the next OS.
With ME, they admitted it was a holdover until XP shipped (win2k was supposed to be XP). With XP, they held off new OS talk for quite a while. With Vista, they started talking about 7 before Vista launched. It was months after 7's launch they really started discussing 8. With Win8, they started talking about Windows 9 and 10 months before launch. In other words, they knew it was such a disaster, they were working on marketing the next one before they even finished making the current one. With Win10, they are not only talking about no new OS, only updates, but stating it in advance that they have no other plans, meaning they are very confident in Win10.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #197 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 19:23:37 »
Does it allow you to change the text color to Grey...

I don't know, I saw it quickly and kept moving. I would imagine, since you can alter colors.


The mouse stops at the edge of the monitors no matter how high up or low down it is. The only way to make it not stop is to move it fast.
You're right it does, it's speed that make sit slide without sticking.
I think once you adjust it won't be as much of an issue. I've dealt with sticky edges like that before, and really never found a good answer. The last one I used tried to stick no matter where or how fast you moved.
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Re: Windows 10 Update thoughts and questions...
« Reply #198 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 19:29:17 »
What was particularly bad about 95, ME, Vista, or 8? Can you just define that for me at some level?

I actually already did, right after the post you quoted. Scroll up or click here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73737.msg1818013#msg1818013

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« Reply #199 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 19:35:58 »
Well reasoned! Thanks for the response. Honestly.

I guess I've mostly lucked out with Windows operating system releases. My 95 box was by no means a beast, but I remember great times on the machine. It was the first computer I experienced MP3s on and the first machine that had a 3D accelerator. At the end of the day, however, it was a just a Pentium 133 MHz box with 16 MB of RAM. My first video card had as much memory as the system I put it in. Pretty funny looking back on it.

Windows 98 SE was on my AMD K6-II with 128 MB of RAM and a 32 MB TNT2 and it ran gloriously. I played the absolute living **** out of Unreal Tournament and Quake III on that box with nary an issue. I remember dropping another 128 MB of RAM in the box and upgrading to a Voodoo 3 toward the end of the cycles with the machine. It was amazing. My brother and I wound up overclocking the K6-II, but never got it stable much over the 400 MHz stock speed.

The Vista box I built was a Intel Q6600 with 4 GB of RAM and an 8800GT, so I guess I never experienced any of the hardware woes people slinging 512 MB of RAM and a Celeron at Vista had. I worked at Best Buy during the release of Vista and spent an amazing amount of time trying to convince people that spending an extra $100 would really give them a much better experience. People are dumb.

My Windows 8 experience was pretty short-lived. I bought a refurb Surface Pro a few months before the Windows 8.1 release. I didn't use it extensively, but it was my travel machine for work and I never had any show-stopping issues. I used the Surface Pro as a laptop, effectively, so I never leaned on the tablet interface of Windows 8 much at all. That said, Windows 8.1 was a welcome refresh and really polished up the UI, which I thought was one of the better Microsoft has put forward since Windows XP.

Either way, people are going to complain. I welcome change and accept a bit of failure along with forward momentum. I get that people like security blankets when it comes to operating systems, though. And to that point, I hope that Windows 7 stays secure in the way that Windows XP (mostly) did for so long. I see a lot of people hovering back to it. For me, however, I prefer to jump in feet first.