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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 09:57:31 »
Poor little cap. He never did anything to hurt anyone... :'(

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:05:03 »
Evil person!

Why he draw for it since he doesnt like it  >:D

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:07:12 »
 :mad:

Shame there isn't really a way to stop this

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:11:52 »
Why cant he give me that for cost :(

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:15:42 »
Why cant he give me that for cost :(

Because they don't care and know that someone will pay more than cost.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:18:24 »
Hate them.

Evil arse. Like peter ;D

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:42:20 »
lulz... Looks like an overpriced piece of old butter! =D

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:43:05 »
LOL I think that will skyrocket like till the 120s

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 10:55:52 »
unfortunately cant screen for everyone thats trying to make a quick dollar from these sales.

Most likely will go to someone on GH, considering anything over $30 for one cap is rediculous for any normal person

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 11:14:18 »
unfortunately cant screen for everyone thats trying to make a quick dollar from these sales.

Most likely will go to someone on GH, considering anything over $30 for one cap is rediculous for any normal person


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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 11:31:32 »
I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 13:25:09 »
I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?

Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all

If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 14:22:30 »
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 14:25:22 »
I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?

Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all

If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..

lol, right....
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 15:09:20 »
I GOT THE TAR WHO'S BRINGIN' THE FEATHERS

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 21:46:39 »
I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?

Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all

If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
do you speak for yourself or the majority of geekhackers?
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 22:21:39 »
Oh doggies, I gave mine away. :(
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 22:23:24 »
I GOT THE TAR WHO'S BRINGIN' THE FEATHERS

I DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR FEATHERS, I AM TRYING TO BID ON A CC!!

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 22:36:16 »
I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?

Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all

If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
I don't know the man personally, but from all the posts of his that I have thus far read, he comes across as more of an artist than a businessman. It has been postulated by many (Even here on this forum) that if he were to well his keycaps firsthand (Like via an eBay storefornt, etc.), CC could easily make a huge amount of money. Since this is eminently obvious to all, the artist included, and is currently not the case, one can conclude that CC isn't in it purely for the money. I believe he has stated, as most artists do, that he wants to make keycaps that people enjoy, and he wants to put his artwork in many people's hands. This makes sense from a business perspective. You have to get your name out there to make money at all. It makes even more sense from an artistic perspective. I have known many underappreciated artists, so it is very refreshing to see an artist's good work bring them some positive fame. CC is now very well known in the keyboard community. Finally, it's almost certainly not CC himself selling this particular keycap (as you propose). It doesn't make sense from an artistic standpoint (as I discussed earlier in my paragraph) but it makes even less sense from an economic/business standpoint. Why sell 100 (or so) keycaps at a very low cost, then wait a bit and sell a single one at a highly elevated one. Why not just sell them at the higher price in the first place. Also, selling just the one keycap here shouldn't be worth the effort: it's just as easy to sell 10 or 100 this way.

I am by no means an unbiased observer of myself, but I doubt the concept of believing in "artistic purity" qualifies as "delusional". Of course, one can reject such a thing, based on one's epistemology or ethical system (Look at Objectivism, or maybe Utilitarianism (Bentham, not mill) for examples) but even if one does reject it, the tenants it's based on are sound. I am always interested in finding holes in my position, so an explanation of what you mean by your last statement would be readily accepted (Preferably via PM, as this is not a philosophy forum).

In short: Keycap ebay sale cannot be CC himself for business, artistic, and ethical reasons. Artistic purity is not delusional.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 23:16:21 »

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 23:26:10 »
I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?

Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all

If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
I don't know the man personally, but from all the posts of his that I have thus far read, he comes across as more of an artist than a businessman. It has been postulated by many (Even here on this forum) that if he were to well his keycaps firsthand (Like via an eBay storefornt, etc.), CC could easily make a huge amount of money. Since this is eminently obvious to all, the artist included, and is currently not the case, one can conclude that CC isn't in it purely for the money. I believe he has stated, as most artists do, that he wants to make keycaps that people enjoy, and he wants to put his artwork in many people's hands. This makes sense from a business perspective. You have to get your name out there to make money at all. It makes even more sense from an artistic perspective. I have known many underappreciated artists, so it is very refreshing to see an artist's good work bring them some positive fame. CC is now very well known in the keyboard community. Finally, it's almost certainly not CC himself selling this particular keycap (as you propose). It doesn't make sense from an artistic standpoint (as I discussed earlier in my paragraph) but it makes even less sense from an economic/business standpoint. Why sell 100 (or so) keycaps at a very low cost, then wait a bit and sell a single one at a highly elevated one. Why not just sell them at the higher price in the first place. Also, selling just the one keycap here shouldn't be worth the effort: it's just as easy to sell 10 or 100 this way.

I am by no means an unbiased observer of myself, but I doubt the concept of believing in "artistic purity" qualifies as "delusional". Of course, one can reject such a thing, based on one's epistemology or ethical system (Look at Objectivism, or maybe Utilitarianism (Bentham, not mill) for examples) but even if one does reject it, the tenants it's based on are sound. I am always interested in finding holes in my position, so an explanation of what you mean by your last statement would be readily accepted (Preferably via PM, as this is not a philosophy forum).

In short: Keycap ebay sale cannot be CC himself for business, artistic, and ethical reasons. Artistic purity is not delusional.

I say what I am about to say "Not" to troll, but simply as an answer to "WHY" CC may be the one behind the 'extra' caps.

It's a marketing issue.

If he came from the beginning and said, $100 for mah caps', people would give him the finger, and call it a day.


These caps can easily be made in mass quantities SHOULD the man choose to.. now, why doesn't he.. Because the keycaps business does not currently have the market size for profits in high volume sales.

It relies on a small set of purchasers..

Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...


I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 23:26:27 »
HASH! You change your avatar too much!!!

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 23:27:42 »
I GOT THE TAR WHO'S BRINGIN' THE FEATHERS

I DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR FEATHERS, I AM TRYING TO BID ON A CC!!

I WAS TOO BUSY SCREAMING TO NOTICE THE PRICE ECLIPSE TRIPLE DIGITS

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 23:31:54 »
HASH! You change your avatar too much!!!

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 25 December 2012, 23:34:39 »
HASH! You change your avatar too much!!!

I never look back, darling; it distracts from the now.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 08:53:16 »
Speaking as an artisan, you're wrong (as a general but not ultimate rule).  We have a fundamentally different set of neural pathways, both in-built and learned and whitest anyone can design, leaps of artistic creation show a lack of the formulaic which is often apparent in lay-design.

Obvious exceptions are artisans who learn business and business people who master design to such an extent that it becomes indistinguishable from true art.  The work and reputation of the former tends to become corrupted by their ulterior mode (see Norman Foster), the latter turn into Steve Jobs...

The third, and rarest exception is those who are intrinsically capable of both art and business, the most recent example I can draw to mind is Danny Boyle.

I don't know CC, but from the brief chat we've had, and the work that he (she?  Gender unknown) produces I'd say they fall into the "I make what I make because that's what I do" category money is not a motivator but a boring necessity.

CCs caps could be made in mass quantities, but to my eye they're made using a far, far, far lower yield method (not posting my guess) than SP uses (vacuum injection with $$$$$ machines?).  Further more, we get to see the number of seconds CC produces, but not the number of outright rejects - the cost of which must be covered.  Oh I could go on, and on, and on.  But I'm sure this'll already earn me another TL;DR...

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 09:42:10 »
Not saying anyone is doing this, but my whole take on the matter would be that it would make sense to have them be highly coveted, rare objects in the beginning, since this will effectively allow them to sell themselves or become popular through word of mouth.  Eventually when enough people knew about them sales could open up, a huge amount would be sold, and then eventually everyone would have clacks and no one would care anymore.  So, maybe he could do that if he ever got tired of making cool little keycaps. :)

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 10:07:24 »
I say what I am about to say "Not" to troll, but simply as an answer to "WHY" CC may be the one behind the 'extra' caps.

It's a marketing issue.

If he came from the beginning and said, $100 for mah caps', people would give him the finger, and call it a day.


These caps can easily be made in mass quantities SHOULD the man choose to.. now, why doesn't he.. Because the keycaps business does not currently have the market size for profits in high volume sales.

It relies on a small set of purchasers..

Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...


I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.

The more you post, the more you sound like the crazy guy on the subway saying the world is going to end and that we are the ignorant ones for ignoring you.
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 10:35:04 »
Speaking as an artisan, you're wrong (as a general but not ultimate rule).  We have a fundamentally different set of neural pathways, both in-built and learned and whitest anyone can design, leaps of artistic creation show a lack of the formulaic which is often apparent in lay-design.

Obvious exceptions are artisans who learn business and business people who master design to such an extent that it becomes indistinguishable from true art.  The work and reputation of the former tends to become corrupted by their ulterior mode (see Norman Foster), the latter turn into Steve Jobs...

The third, and rarest exception is those who are intrinsically capable of both art and business, the most recent example I can draw to mind is Danny Boyle.

I don't know CC, but from the brief chat we've had, and the work that he (she?  Gender unknown) produces I'd say they fall into the "I make what I make because that's what I do" category money is not a motivator but a boring necessity.

CCs caps could be made in mass quantities, but to my eye they're made using a far, far, far lower yield method (not posting my guess) than SP uses (vacuum injection with $$$$$ machines?).  Further more, we get to see the number of seconds CC produces, but not the number of outright rejects - the cost of which must be covered.  Oh I could go on, and on, and on.  But I'm sure this'll already earn me another TL;DR...

You're ignorant of the fact that "making money" does not conflict with "art"

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 10:35:33 »
I say what I am about to say "Not" to troll, but simply as an answer to "WHY" CC may be the one behind the 'extra' caps.

It's a marketing issue.

If he came from the beginning and said, $100 for mah caps', people would give him the finger, and call it a day.


These caps can easily be made in mass quantities SHOULD the man choose to.. now, why doesn't he.. Because the keycaps business does not currently have the market size for profits in high volume sales.

It relies on a small set of purchasers..

Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...


I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.

The more you post, the more you sound like the crazy guy on the subway saying the world is going to end and that we are the ignorant ones for ignoring you.

I don't think you guys are crazy, I do however think you're often naive, or worse ignorant.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 12:01:09 »
You're ignorant of the fact that "making money" does not conflict with "art"

I didn't say that; I make money by art as well as by business ipso facto I'm not "ignorant" about such matters, but I'm not mercenary about it as you seem to imply CC is!

Lets take good old Van Gogh as an example, died in poverty with debts up to his eyeballs, his art conflicted with making money at that time, he practically had to give paintings away.  Today his paintings sell for tens of millions a piece.  Now CC doesn't sell his (her?  Again sorry) products for less than the material cost but equally they're not fetching all the market will bare.  And the sales from collector to collector generate far greater revenue than the initial investment.

Let's take me as an example (oh no, mister Frodo!) as I'm sure you know, I'm working on making silver caps, they'll come out eventually but it's already been several months in the set-up stages, not ready to open up for orders yet, and it'll be several more before the next cap - probably six months.  Why?  Because I have a life and work outside of producing things you (as a community) want.  Might not the same be true for CC?  That these caps are simply an aside, a distraction, something fun, which provides pleasure?

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 12:08:15 »
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 13:49:45 »
You're ignorant of the fact that "making money" does not conflict with "art"

I didn't say that; I make money by art as well as by business ipso facto I'm not "ignorant" about such matters, but I'm not mercenary about it as you seem to imply CC is!

Lets take good old Van Gogh as an example, died in poverty with debts up to his eyeballs, his art conflicted with making money at that time, he practically had to give paintings away.  Today his paintings sell for tens of millions a piece.  Now CC doesn't sell his (her?  Again sorry) products for less than the material cost but equally they're not fetching all the market will bare.  And the sales from collector to collector generate far greater revenue than the initial investment.

Let's take me as an example (oh no, mister Frodo!) as I'm sure you know, I'm working on making silver caps, they'll come out eventually but it's already been several months in the set-up stages, not ready to open up for orders yet, and it'll be several more before the next cap - probably six months.  Why?  Because I have a life and work outside of producing things you (as a community) want.  Might not the same be true for CC?  That these caps are simply an aside, a distraction, something fun, which provides pleasure?

Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 14:31:28 »
Might have to put mine on eBay!

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 14:38:12 »
What you're missing tp is that assuming all artists are willing to sell out is as naive as assuming that none of them are.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 14:52:42 »
Oh, hello. :worried:
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 15:47:23 »
Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.

i'd love to see what kind of starry night keycap he could come up with ;)

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 15:49:48 »
Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.

i'd love to see what kind of starry night keycap he could come up with ;)

Maybe it would be a melted skull face?
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 16:13:38 »
Jesus.

It's their property, they can do anything they want with it.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 16:21:16 »
Jesus.

It's their property, they can do anything they want with it.

That is exactly my point, but there seems to be a load of you that see "selling out" as something that's UN-Artist like or at all to be looked down upon.

Selling out, is the artist's realization that EVERYTHING including their precious work HAS a quantifiable value..

EVERYTHING in this world is accounted for. It is finite and infinite simultaneously..

Arguing that any element would have value beyond the accountable is the same as saying it is accountable. They're the two sides of one concept.

Akin to things such as Unconditional love being a condition in it of itself.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 16:35:07 »
so deep....

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 16:39:16 »
wtf... "shame there isn't a way to stop this"



capitalism... free market... america?
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 16:45:53 »
wtf... "shame there isn't a way to stop this"



Christ... its a free market society... you know.... AMERICA
its a free country i can do anything i want
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 16:49:29 »
que up the larry the cable guy montage

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 17:15:31 »
Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.

a) Why not?  And
b) no.

I was using Van Gogh (and myself, apparently that didn't raise any eyebrows though) as an illustrative example not as a direct comparison.  But hell, now that you've raised the issue why not?  Since you brought up the matter, feel free to lead on and I'll be your interlocutor.  Or are you only capable of ad hominem?

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 17:45:26 »
Wait, why is everyone getting in a hissy fit over tp4tissue? Isn't he the one with no emotions either way, and probably the ultimate troll because he just doesn't ****ing care?

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 17:47:20 »
We can't possible be having this argument without nail polish.

Come at me bros!
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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 17:48:17 »
We can't possible be having this argument without nail polish.

Come at me bros!

You're too young to get mad at bro! And I may be your santa, so....all is forgiven.

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Re: Oktoberfest reseller spotted!
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 26 December 2012, 19:42:06 »
Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.

i'd love to see what kind of starry night keycap he could come up with ;)

Maybe it would be a melted skull face?

no sense in waiting for him to do that, brb grabbing a lighter