'sodder' vs 'soulder'

[Air tree]

I have been talking to some people and apparently my pronunciation of it seems to ruffle some feathers.

I have always pronounced it 'Soulder' for the word solder, I came to find that it's "Sodder" where I live; The United states, and said "F**k it, I'll keep saying Soulder"


I can't be the only American who says it this way. I'm sure I have heard others. And of course the way I've always pronounced it is the BE version..


God damn it, phonetically it makes more sense...

[Halverson]

Sahdurrrr

[Air tree]

Sahdurrrr

u make me cry.

heathen.

[Halverson]

Sahdurrrr

u make me cry.

heathen.

Tah-purr

[demik]

[Air tree]

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I wish I had dancing skills of that level.

I'll have to deal. :(

[nubbinator]

Sahdurrrr

u make me cry.

heathen.

You dare question the word of the girlshark?

[rowdy]

I laugh every time I heard Americans pronounce it like "sudder" and "suddering".

Then I wonder whether "old" Americans would say "udd"?

And if something has sold, was it really "sudd"?

Then I go all soapy )

[Air tree]

Sahdurrrr

u make me cry.

heathen.

You dare question the word of the girlshark?

I don't question, I'm stating.

Our lord and savior Girlshark wizbro isn't perfect, but I still have love in my heart for Girlshark.

No matter how wrong.

[tp4tissue]

I hear sodder more often than soulder.

When I was younger, I thought it was soldiering.

[byker]

Sahdurrrr

u make me cry.

heathen.

Tah-purr

Toe-prey

[unipsykal]

Do you like to eat sal-mun or samun?

[tp4tissue]

Do you like to eat sal-mun or samun?

I like Sal- mongh

[fknraiden]

i can see soulder because sold is pronounced with a long o. but i've always said it as if it was spelled sod-ering, as in sod, like the grass ****.

[Evo_Spec]

i say sodder because that's how everyone else in Canada said it, though recently i had a friend who would say sold-er like it's spelt lol

[tufty]

It's solder.  With an ell.  Dictionary says ˈsəʊldə, ˈsɒldə

The etymology is from the latin "solidare" (meaning "fasten together") via the french "souder".

So if you say "sodder", either you're a ****ing moron, or a frenchy with a speech defect (see also "canadian")

[Halverson]

Sah-dur, see hurr durr

[unipsykal]

It's solder.  With an ell.  Dictionary says ˈsəʊldə, ˈsɒldə

The etymology is from the latin "solidare" (meaning "fasten together") via the french "souder".

So if you say "sodder", either you're a ****ing moron, or a frenchy with a speech defect (see also "canadian")

Wikipedia:
Solder (/ˈsoʊldə/, /ˈsɒldə/ or in North America /ˈsɒdər/)

Being someone who grew up in a foreign country, my wife was quick to correct me when I pronounced it with an L. I've heard it with an L before but heard it without the L plenty of times as well. Just shows that people in different countries pronounce words differently. They will correct you as to how they have heard it all their lives or how it is pronounced in that country. I'll say it however the locals say it to avoid confusion and arguments, just bugs me when some of them fail to pronounce words from their own language correctly especially when that's the only language they speak.

[kurplop]

When in Rome...

Pronunciation is a regional thing. In spite of it being incorrect phonetically, if you want to be understood, you speak the language of the hearer.

[suicidal_orange]

The language you're all attempting to speak is called English so as the first Englishman in the thread I am sad to inform you that in all my years speaking to people from all over the country not one of them has failed to notice and pronounce the L.  Be they old or young, illiterate or PhD qualified, and whether Northern, Londoner, Farmer (local to me) or second gen immigrant it's always sol-der.

Much like aluminium, you're just being lazy and skipping a syllable

[tp4tissue]

Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der

[vindaon]

sodder


Ls are for heathens

[tp4tissue]

sodder


Ls are for heathens

So, you're saying..     SSS--ODD--ER

[kurplop]

Most areas have regional discrepancies. To my American's ear, the English putting an R sound on the end of many words that don't end with an R seems odd. My west coast ear also wonders why Midwesterners pronounce Missouri with a soft A on the end.

In spite of its phonetical inconsistencies, if the purpose of speech is communication, shouldn't we speak to be understood?

Besides that, we should learn from history. It's my understanding that the United States fought the Revolutionary war primarily because we no longer wanted to add that improper R sound at the end of words. Don't we have more important things to squabble about?

Either way, it's good fodder, or should I say folder, for discussion.

[unipsykal]

Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der

The correct way is the way people say it in your area.
If you always hear sodder, then sodder it is.. until you move to another part of the world.

[tp4tissue]

Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der

The correct way is the way people say it in your area.
If you always hear sodder, then sodder it is.. until you move to another part of the world.

IPA  says   ˈsɒd ər

that means

--ɒ--
   The “ough” in “thought” in Standard American English

Would that be the official?

   S--aw - der

[unipsykal]

Ok.. so what's the CORRECT way??

Ya'll confuzin' me

is it ??:::

Sss - ODD - ER

Sss - ALL - Der 

SO - L- Der

SO - Der

The correct way is the way people say it in your area.
If you always hear sodder, then sodder it is.. until you move to another part of the world.

IPA  says   ˈsɒd ər

that means

--ɒ--
   The “ough” in “thought” in Standard American English

Would that be the official?

   S--aw - der

I guessing you are in the US so its:

saw-der / saw-dur / sodd-er

[tp4tissue]

IPA  says   ˈsɒd ər

that means

--ɒ--
   The “ough” in “thought” in Standard American English

Would that be the official?

   S--aw - der

I guessing you are in the US so its:

saw-der / saw-dur / sodd-er

Is    Der the same as Dur..

I feel like  Dur  is more   Duhh--r

Vs  Der

[demik]

S otter

[tp4tissue]

S otter

here's the problem

the official seems to be ou-GH,  but ur going with  O-tt

[paicrai]

It's solder.  With an ell.  Dictionary says ˈsəʊldə, ˈsɒldə

The etymology is from the latin "solidare" (meaning "fasten together") via the french "souder".

So if you say "sodder", either you're a ****ing moron, or a frenchy with a speech defect (see also "canadian")

[jacobolus]

Pretty sure the original pronunciation in English (from several hundred years ago) skipped the L. If the British have started putting the L sound back in, that’s a semi-recent development, within the last 100–150 years or something. Probably driven by people who read books about it but never soldered anything. For the same reason, Shakespeare plays sound terrible in modern British English: sometime in the 19th century all the pronunciations changed and now nothing rhymes and the puns don’t make sense.

As for Australians, they can’t pronounce anything right, so it’s really not worth worrying about. Searching around online, it seems that some older British people (the kind who work with their hands) still use the correct pronunciation, as do the Irish.

[tbc]

sold(however you write the pronounciation of that) der


although i just use every pronounciation depending on nothing at all

[tp4tissue]

sold(however you write the pronounciation of that) der


although i just use every pronounciation depending on nothing at all

say whaaa...

You're suggesting  SOUL- Der ?

[paicrai]

the only "sod"s around here are the ****ers pronouncing it sodder

[SpAmRaY]

I say sole-durr

[tp4tissue]

I say sole-durr

To my ears,  Soul sounds identical to sole..

[wholphin]

Here in New Zealand it's pronounced "Soul"der - or at least I've only ever heard it pronounced that way

[tp4tissue]

Here in New Zealand it's pronounced "Soul"der - or at least I've only ever heard it pronounced that way

are you sure it's  s-ough  or s-oul

[tbc]

sold(however you write the pronounciation of that) der


although i just use every pronounciation depending on nothing at all

say whaaa...

You're suggesting  SOUL- Der ?

well depends on your accent lol, but why not?

i see the word 'sold' and then an 'er' after it.

why would i not pronounce 'sold' with an 'er' after it?

[beehatch]

How is this still going on?

The correct way: /ˈsädər/

I will make fun of you if you put that damn L in there. Same goes for the words FOLK and YOLK. No L pronounced.

[fohat.digs]

Folk deserves an L if you are speaking clearly, and definitely in something like "Folkways Records"

Yolk probably needs a hint of L so that it is not the same as yoke.

But I have never used or heard an L in solder, the thing that you do with a hot iron and soft metal. But I am not a sodder by any means.

[paicrai]

How is this still going on?

The correct way: /ˈsädər/

I will make fun of you if you put that damn L in there. Same goes for the words FOLK and YOLK. No L pronounced.

sådder, fok, yok and abcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz

[wholphin]

Wiktionary has a good section on pronunciation:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/solder#Pronunciation

I pronounce it like a Australian does

[fohat.digs]

That was an interesting guide.

http://languagehat.com/solder/

To clarify, being a US Southerner, our pronunciation is much closer to "SAW-der" than "sodder" and the tool is a "SAW-DER-ing iron"

[beehatch]

Seriously, still?

You can go by the formal pronunciation that you find in dictionaries. I use Oxford, for example.

Of course, there are going to different pronunciations depending on your dialect. I consider this to be informal.

There is no right or wrong per se. The English language and dictionaries are changing everyday.

As long as you understand the formal/informal way, then who cares how you say it.

[fanpeople]

As for Australians, they can’t pronounce anything right, so it’s really not worth worrying about.

As an Australian I would just like to confirm this as fact. Also Australians have the worst accent for television not that it matters because nothing we produce is worth sending to the international screen. We also tend to make words up and then use them out of context, need an example I don't know I am Australian.

[unipsykal]

How about: Subtle

there is supposedly a letter b in there but us sodder sayers cant see it

[Vibex]

I say both. But I should start saying satyr. Sounds like more fun.

[appleonama]

I say how it is spelled. F*** the system