Antivax ?

[tp4tissue]

Why are antivaxers saying Covid is a china bioweapon,  but then also that it doesn't exist, therefore no vaccine needed ?

[fohat.digs]

it doesn't exist, therefore no

It is difficult for emotion and logic to co-exist.

The Radical Right runs almost exclusively on emotion.

[tp4tissue]

Cancer we didn't catch due to covid taking up resources is making the news cycle.

The reality though is, most cancers have very poor treatment outcomes anyway.

No one wants to eat veggies to prevent cancer, they'd too busy getting cancer bacon and then paying for treatment (that don't work all that well). 

Capitalism supports this model of behavior, and so here we are.

[tp4tissue]

1400 NYC government workers Fired over vaccine refusal.

36 NYPD personnel, 25 Fire Department workers and 914 Department of Education staffers.


say wha..... I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.

[fohat.digs]

I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.

Not the ones who are comfortable with 30 kids breathing, coughing, and sneezing in their direction in a closed room for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.

[Leslieann]

No one wants to eat veggies to prevent cancer, they'd too busy getting cancer bacon and then paying for treatment (that don't work all that well). 

Go price out how much it costs to meet your daily calorie intake with veggies vs eating garbage...  It's about 2-3x as much, if not more.
It's not about want so much as ability, when you struggle to get enough to eat today you don't worry about cancer tomorrow. That's a luxury.


Contrary to how strong our economy is, most in the U.S are struggling just to make ends meet.
If our economy was as good as claimed we wouldn't have so many homeless. If unemployment is so low and businesses are all looking for help why is there a different homeless person at every off ramp looking for help?  Either our metrics are very wrong or something is very wrong with our economy, or both.

[treeleaf64]

I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.

Not the ones who are comfortable with 30 kids breathing, coughing, and sneezing in their direction in a closed room for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.

What's more on education, I often see Purdue students wearing their mask improperly (only over mouth) or not wearing them at all in large gathering spaces like lecture halls and classrooms. Part of the reason why I stopped going to lecture is I was afraid of having people so close to me.

I have 2 vaccinations and a booster shot, yet I'm still afraid.

[fohat.digs]

how strong our economy is, most in the U.S are struggling just to make ends meet.

something is very wrong with our economy

A handful of the most wealthy make millions at the bottom average up.

[tp4tissue]

Latest CDC data shows,  Antivaxxers = 97x more likely to die from covid,  VS, boosted Adults.

[fohat.digs]

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452

[pixelpusher]

Latest CDC data shows,  Antivaxxers = 97x more likely to die from covid,  VS, boosted Adults.

Post-truth world, sir.  You can link 30 independent studies that show the vaccine is 100% effective and 100% safe and you won't change anyone's mind.

[tp4tissue]

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452

Tp4 has long covid... been having back of throat scratchiness for months.

[tp4tissue]

Now we're reading all these reports of Major-antivaxxers who are secretly vaxxed but continue to perpetuate the rhetoric for Popularity points.

That's honestly quite evil,  but the result is Fewer Humans, so perhaps it's a net gain for the Earth-ecosystem ?


Tp4 is only sad because he can not buyz 3080.

[Leslieann]

Now we're reading all these reports of Major-antivaxxers who are secretly vaxxed but continue to perpetuate the rhetoric for Popularity points.

Now?
That was happening right at the start.

Pretty much all the rich, powerful and elite politicians, pundits and businessmen all ran out and got it, jumping the lines.
It was only the middle rung hangers on who didn't.

[tp4tissue]

Now that they've "proven" ivermectin doesn't work....  /suspenseful   of what's next.

[suicidal_orange]

Now that they've "proven" ivermectin doesn't work

Serious scientists found infected people willing to risk dying just so they could laugh at anti-vaxers?  I guess if they were asymptomatic they didn't have much to lose but they still had to take horse medicine so I wouldn't have been keen.

[chyros]

Now that they've "proven" ivermectin doesn't work....  /suspenseful   of what's next.

Wait, they've only just now proven that?  )

[fohat.digs]

Concepts like "proven" are very slippery to people who don't take science seriously.

After dissolving concepts like consensus and "the social contract" then uniformed people feel free to run amok.

[tp4tissue]

Covid damages Hamtaro Tesicals.

Varying doses of SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19, were intranasally delivered to hamsters—only some of which were vaccinated

What researchers found was an “acute decrease” in sperm count and testosterone levels four to seven days post-infection in unvaccinated hamsters. Meanwhile, “damage” to the testicular tissue—including inflammation, degeneration, and necrosis—was observed as early as a week after infection and persisted in the sample collected on Day 120.

Testicular size and weight were reduced after infection. Hamsters that were vaccinated against the virus did not exhibit testicular damage.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciac142/6530400?searchresult=1&login=false

[treeleaf64]

Concepts like "proven" are very slippery to people who don't take science seriously.

After dissolving concepts like consensus and "the social contract" then uniformed people feel free to run amok.

My theory
Antivax mindset grew up with nobody to trust or a lack of government trust
Does not understand social contract with government


It's real hard to transfer your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust

[tp4tissue]

My theory
Antivax mindset grew up with nobody to trust or a lack of government trust
Does not understand social contract with government


It's real hard to transfer your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust

DISTRUST, is perfectly normal, and the correct attitude, as the govern vs governed MUST be adversaries, that's the only way this system works..

Prove / Disprove,  that's the computational system.

Our framework IS WORKING as intended,  the Death Count MAGNIFIED by modern technology is not something anyone would be used to witnessing in real time.

The primary inefficiency given our tech is the HUMAN Capitalists.   Machine capitalism is fine..


Think about it another way, WE KNOW how to fix heart disease and diabetes,  but because 70% of hospital dollars are spent on such things,   Capitalist health (healthcare HUMAN CEOS) have no motivation to apply that knowledge.

The standard practice for diabetes is a LIFETIME regime of pills. That's it.  Meanwhile, they're curing (Type 2) and significantly curtailing (Type 1) in plant based lifestyle modification programs,  WHICH have only recently gained insurance billing/ coverage.   Yet we knew how to do this going back 30-50 years.

[fohat.digs]

your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust
 

"Reinforced" being the key concept. Acceptance of the social contract was near-universal in this country for nearly 2 centuries (the cessation of the Confederacy being the partial exception), but today (ie in my lifetime) it has been eroded by orders of magnitude due to the relentless assault of the Radical Right.

The first great hit landed was post-Vietnam/Watergate, the second when Reagan eviscerated the FCC, and then the coup de grace came with the universal spread of click-bait-driven profits on the interwebs.

[tp4tissue]

"Reinforced" being the key concept. Acceptance of the social contract was near-universal in this country for nearly 2 centuries (the cessation of the Confederacy being the partial exception), but today (ie in my lifetime) it has been eroded by orders of magnitude due to the relentless assault of the Radical Right.

The first great hit landed was post-Vietnam/Watergate, the second when Reagan eviscerated the FCC, and then the coup de grace came with the universal spread of click-bait-driven profits on the interwebs.

Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate enough model.   

The Humans are the problem.  We have these dynastic houses at the top battling using the lives of the flock.

These humans, LEFT OR RIGHT, make highly inefficient myopic decisions.   We are at the "SCALE" where our problems exceed the processing capacity of this type of leadership.

We Must divert large decisions to AI.   Humans, Left or Right,  they can not overcome their own Ego.   It's not the concept of self-preservation that's the problem,  Humans simply think too small given their minuscule local storage capacity.

[fohat.digs]

Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate

Until 45 years ago that was true, the country as a whole was united in its general focus.

Since the mid-late-1970s, America-haters have become hardened in their efforts to divide us.

[tp4tissue]

Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate

Until 45 years ago that was true, the country as a whole was united in its general focus.

Since the mid-late-1970s, America-haters have become hardened in their efforts to divide us.

Fohat, like a republican you are too attached to the concept of NATIONS (America).

The divide is not between nations, ONLY between the Rulers and the Pleb.

WE are the Pleb. Rulers are forever always counter to OUR interest. 

The enemy is not russians,  it's ALL THOSE who oppress us.

[fohat.digs]

divide us

oppress us

[noisyturtle]

‎‎‎

[tp4tissue]

divide us

oppress us

INCLUDING your democrat oppressors.

[tp4tissue]

How come call for prayer and defer to godis in every single one of these leapordsatemyface/hermaincain  awardees ??

It's almost like god's actively killing them (assuming he existed ? )

[tp4tissue]

Don't forget guyz,  we still doin' Covid Mainquest.

a 9.11 ( ~2400 peeps_blearrrghh..)  every 2 days,   Keep those masks on.


Recent exerpt:

ICU RN here. Today I watched a covid denier earn his award while his covid denying family cried. "You have your kids to fight for" "you can beat this" the **** No, you can't come back from 4 pressors, CRRT, paralyzed and proned. Can't even pull off a millileter with CRRT because your BP is incompatible with life. Obviously your kids weren't enough incentive to do the bare minimum to not get infected. So congratulations sir, you are the ultimate winner and now your kids don't have a dad. You sure showed those dems! Aparrently the flu is "that bad".

[Shunx]

There are a small number of vaccinated people who do still get infected, but their symptoms are almost always mild and very rarely do they end up in hospital (or worse).

Don't repeat what media tells, you sounds like fart. You had ******* on your face. Literally.

[fohat.digs]

Don't repeat what media tells, you sounds like fart. You had ******* on your face. Literally.

Good to know.

[tp4tissue]

German guy gets 90 doses of vax to sell legit covid passes to antivaxxers.

I mean, dis'guy,   wonder if he's impervious to covid.. Kekeke

The vax itself is clearly very safe... no ?

[tp4tissue]

9 new symptoms added to covid list:

shortness of breath

feeling tired or exhausted

aching body

headache

sore throat

blocked or runny nose

loss of appetite

diarrhea

feeling sick or being sick


Br0,  Tp4 gets at least 4-5 of these every day....... just from eating ramen.

[chyros]

9 new symptoms added to covid list:

shortness of breath

feeling tired or exhausted

aching body

headache

sore throat

blocked or runny nose

loss of appetite

diarrhea

feeling sick or being sick


Br0,  Tp4 gets at least 4-5 of these every day....... just from eating ramen.

Hmm, I was under the impression that the shortness of breath thing is a lot less prevalent in Omikron patients than it had been in previous forms.

[robertopupka]

what is antivax?

[granola bar enthusiast]

i don't want to seem edgy but i honestly couldn't care less, if they choose not to get vaccinated and come up with their BS ideas on why they are correct (which they aren't) let them get covid.

[chyros]

i don't want to seem edgy but i honestly couldn't care less, if they choose not to get vaccinated and come up with their BS ideas on why they are correct (which they aren't) let them get covid.

I would agree with you if it was just themselves they'd put at risk, but it isn't - antivaxxers are a public health hazard. Their choices reach far beyond just themselves. This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.

[fohat.digs]

This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.

Countries like yours can probably accomplish it with reason and logic.

The US has always had an obstreperous sub-population that constantly searches out motivations for getting triggered, and in recent years it has grown exponentially by becoming "political" rather than moral or social. Worse, a sizable sub-group of them have indulged themselves in self-gratification by accumulating massive collections of military equipment - specifically for use in their own country against their own fellow citizens!

The foundation stone of the social contract is the common good, but these malcontents luxuriate in a hatred that goes beyond mere selfishness to actually fabricating justifications for damaging or killing other humans - sometimes merely for their beliefs or opinions.

[chyros]

This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.

Countries like yours can probably accomplish it with reason and logic.

The US has always had an obstreperous sub-population that constantly searches out motivations for getting triggered, and in recent years it has grown exponentially by becoming "political" rather than moral or social. Worse, a sizable sub-group of them have indulged themselves in self-gratification by accumulating massive collections of military equipment - specifically for use in their own country against their own fellow citizens!

The foundation stone of the social contract is the common good, but these malcontents luxuriate in a hatred that goes beyond mere selfishness to actually fabricating justifications for damaging or killing other humans - sometimes merely for their beliefs or opinions.

At first, being a liberal, I was of the opinion that people shouldn't HAVE to get vaccinated, but that they'd have to lose serious amounts of personal freedoms to limit the risk they post. "Put your money where your mouth is," basically. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've come to the conclusion that this doesn't work, not really. You're actually curtailing OTHER people's freedoms that way, just for the sake of some self-centred illiterates. Thus the more logical thing, and the plan that leads to more freedom overall (including people who don't actually want to vaccinate) is to make vaccination mandatory.

Retraction of health care benefits of non-vaxxers for covid-related illnesses doesn't work either, I think. That's just going to lead to more deaths and poverty. In a righteous first-world country, you can't as a society plan to bankrupt a group of people, it's just not done.

That said, the new Covid wave is now REALLY going berserk in China. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1512680426015449091 Seems like total, hard lockdowns weren't the way to go after all :/ .

[tp4tissue]

Total hard lockdown definitely IS the way to do it.  The net outcome is far improved from loose policy.

What may be happening is the great effectiveness of early lockdown leading to a sense of complacency. Which lead to less urgency to "get vaccinated" (in certain populations) even though on average vaccination rate is high.

This new variant is special though, BA.2, so even with existing vax, they face many breakthroughs.

In the West we're already jaded by death. roughly 1-3 million Americans died.  and people think, well there are lots of millionaires in the world, that must not be so many.   That's their only contact with the quantity million.

Given how terrible most 'murican's number sense is, this passive ignorance is what arrested attitude for action.

Relative to Covid,  China has done a better job, and they're STILL doing a better job.

[ItIsWritten]

Relative to Covid,  China has done a better job, and they're STILL doing a better job.

Have they though? You can't trust the numbers coming out from China.


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[tp4tissue]

Have they though? You can't trust the numbers coming out from China.

Yes you can trust their numbers, their production quotas have been extremely steady, as audited by western corporations buying there, if there was wide_spread public deaths + the emotional turmoil   in such a dense population,  it would've been impossible.

I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do.   Anything on the R|_|  inv451on, Highly pr0p0gand1zed.

But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.

[ItIsWritten]

Well by you maybe, China doesn't have that great of a record with the truth.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/25/chinas-covid-data-gaps-and-inaccuracies-new-reports-from-science-and-nature/?sh=4d7c181b2cef

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[fohat.digs]

I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do.

But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.

In the US Covid deaths are about 1/5 of 1% of the population, and a large portion of our citizenry actively flaunts precautions.

Even if China had a significantly greater death rate, it would still be very easy for them to hide since they are already so insular.

[tp4tissue]

I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do.

But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.

In the US Covid deaths are about 1/5 of 1% of the population, and a large portion of our citizenry actively flaunts precautions.

Even if China had a significantly greater death rate, it would still be very easy for them to hide since they are already so insular.

That is not accurate,  China's density is EXTREME.

It'd be like trying to hide covid deaths in New York city,   Except in China, that's Everywhere, and most places are actually even MORE population dense.  Everyone lives neck to neck. 

Even in public spaces, it's just swaths of people.   These places remained FULL all throughout the pandemic in the USA.   That alone is indication that their Control systems worked.

China also went through its workers migration cycle twice,  this is a highly dense and high dispersal event. IF there was covid in this mix,  again, production quotas couldn't possibly be as it was, and you simply wouldn't be able to stop the transmission given that everyone is using trains/ bus,  which are dense transits.. 

Most people use public transit for the migration, almost none by personal vehicle.

I'm not arguing that "THEY COULDn't or Wouldn't" hide/ bend truths.   But it's clear that they did not regarding "Covid".

R|_|  1n\/as10n,  another thing entirely. Over there it's Fox news all day everyday.

[ItIsWritten]

I don't think you take into account that the people hit hardest are the older population, which don't necessarily are the most active in the work force. And apart from that, your reasons for accepting the data is from data that would come from the Chinese themselves.

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[Leslieann]

That is not accurate,  China's density is EXTREME.

Only in the cities.
Outside urban centers it's quiet the opposite.

[tp4tissue]

That is not accurate,  China's density is EXTREME.

Only in the cities.
Outside urban centers it's quiet the opposite.

It's 1.5 billion people,  65% urban.  the 35% of rural, many "migrate" for work so it may as well be 75-90% urban at some points.

/Density

[noisyturtle]

We went over a month with zero CDC texts about infections reported at work, then 2 in 72 hours and today 14 people called out.
Really super ****ing glad I masked up this week.