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4K blurays ?
« on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:32:10 »
If you intend on playing the upcoming 10-bit 4k Bluray Iso-s on your laptop...

You're going to need 5th gen cpu..

New disks will be 100Mbit peak, vs the 40Mbit on the current disks.



If you are going through SOFTWARE decode, without hardware-acceleration..

You will need at least a  2nd-gen sandybridge dual-core intel i3 W/Hyperthreading.


a Highly clocked G3258 also -may- be able to do it..




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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:42:32 »
Discs are still a thing....?

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:53:47 »
Discs are still a thing....?

It is unless you're a Pirate or a Streamer.

But the 4k Streamers will get at max 25Mbit.. which is actually lower than even Standard Bluray Discs @40Mbit

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:54:30 »


Discs are still a thing....?

It is unless you're a Pirate or a Streamer.

But the 4k Streamers will get at max 25Mbit.. which is actually lower than even Standard Bluray Discs @40Mbit

I mean, I have Netflix... Not mlg enough to be pirate.

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 15:08:13 »
Not sure I understand the point of this post.

So in order to benefit from 4k, you'd need a decently large screen (or you'd need to be obnoxiously close to your laptop).

So this primarily going to apply to people who watch 4k movies, on their laptops/computers, wired to their TV's. In which case I would assume/hope most people have decent dedicated bluray players since they are a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading a computer.

So it's to warn people that don't have 4k bluray players, but only have bluray on their pc/laptops, and have those systems hooked up to their TVs, that their hardware might be outdated?

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 15:08:14 »
4k is Going to be Glorious..

it's got 10bit yea..  that means 1024 gradients..  vs 256 on 8 bit..

So we're gonna get super duper shadow-detail.

There will also be no more hidden wrinkles possible.. cept forced digital blurring..



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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 15:09:41 »
Not sure I understand the point of this post.

So in order to benefit from 4k, you'd need a decently large screen (or you'd need to be obnoxiously close to your laptop).

So this primarily going to apply to people who watch 4k movies, on their laptops/computers, wired to their TV's. In which case I would assume/hope most people have decent dedicated bluray players since they are a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading a computer.

So it's to warn people that don't have 4k bluray players, but only have bluray on their pc/laptops, and have those systems hooked up to their TVs, that their hardware might be outdated?

This is GH.. I don't think anyone here has bought a disc in years,   Yet we're all watching full bitstream files.. ..cough...

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 15:10:46 »
Not sure I understand the point of this post.

So in order to benefit from 4k, you'd need a decently large screen (or you'd need to be obnoxiously close to your laptop).

So this primarily going to apply to people who watch 4k movies, on their laptops/computers, wired to their TV's. In which case I would assume/hope most people have decent dedicated bluray players since they are a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading a computer.

So it's to warn people that don't have 4k bluray players, but only have bluray on their pc/laptops, and have those systems hooked up to their TVs, that their hardware might be outdated?

This is GH.. I don't think anyone here has bought a disc in years,   Yet we're all watching full bitstream files.. ..cough...
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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 15:11:39 »
Not sure I understand the point of this post.

So in order to benefit from 4k, you'd need a decently large screen (or you'd need to be obnoxiously close to your laptop).

So this primarily going to apply to people who watch 4k movies, on their laptops/computers, wired to their TV's. In which case I would assume/hope most people have decent dedicated bluray players since they are a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading a computer.

So it's to warn people that don't have 4k bluray players, but only have bluray on their pc/laptops, and have those systems hooked up to their TVs, that their hardware might be outdated?

This is GH.. I don't think anyone here has bought a disc in years,   Yet we're all watching full bitstream files.. ..cough...
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Point is..  Everyone needs to beef up their CPUs..

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 17:20:21 »
Not sure I understand the point of this post.

So in order to benefit from 4k, you'd need a decently large screen (or you'd need to be obnoxiously close to your laptop).

So this primarily going to apply to people who watch 4k movies, on their laptops/computers, wired to their TV's. In which case I would assume/hope most people have decent dedicated bluray players since they are a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading a computer.

So it's to warn people that don't have 4k bluray players, but only have bluray on their pc/laptops, and have those systems hooked up to their TVs, that their hardware might be outdated?

This is GH.. I don't think anyone here has bought a disc in years,   Yet we're all watching full bitstream files.. ..cough...
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Point is..  Everyone needs to beef up their CPUs..
I rather buy a 4k blue ray player than upgrading the PC
Upgrading pc tend to be very costly
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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 17:46:47 »
Not sure I understand the point of this post.

So in order to benefit from 4k, you'd need a decently large screen (or you'd need to be obnoxiously close to your laptop).

So this primarily going to apply to people who watch 4k movies, on their laptops/computers, wired to their TV's. In which case I would assume/hope most people have decent dedicated bluray players since they are a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading a computer.

So it's to warn people that don't have 4k bluray players, but only have bluray on their pc/laptops, and have those systems hooked up to their TVs, that their hardware might be outdated?

This is GH.. I don't think anyone here has bought a disc in years,   Yet we're all watching full bitstream files.. ..cough...
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Point is..  Everyone needs to beef up their CPUs..
I rather buy a 4k blue ray player than upgrading the PC
Upgrading pc tend to be very costly


Um.. a decent 4k bluray player is going to ~ $400 USD

But of course PS4 might be able to play them.. < Unconfirmed >


But if you spend $200 on a cpu and $100 on a mother board.

You can arrrgh ' all the full discs online..


Harddrives are 40Gigs / dollar.

Remux a 4k Bluray, it'll be something like 70-80Gigs

Your cost will be $2 per 4k disc

Retail, is probably $30 per 4k disc

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 17:55:34 »
Um.. a decent 4k bluray player is going to ~ $400 USD

But of course PS4 might be able to play them.. < Unconfirmed >


But if you spend $200 on a cpu and $100 on a mother board.

You can arrrgh ' all the full discs online..


Harddrives are 40Gigs / dollar.

Remux a 4k Bluray, it'll be something like 70-80Gigs

Your cost will be $2 per 4k disc

Retail, is probably $30 per 4k disc

Or just wait like, two years, when it all becomes cheaper. And there aren't reeeeeeeally any great films that are worth that kind of money spending on hardware...
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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 17:58:28 »
Prices on the screens are dropping dramatically too. I've been eyeing a Samsung 65" 4k, not sure if/when DirectTV will broadcast in 4k but if you haven't seen 4k in person, head down to Fry's or whatever you got, they're pretty nice.

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 17:59:51 »
Prices on the screens are dropping dramatically too. I've been eyeing a Samsung 65" 4k, not sure if/when DirectTV will broadcast in 4k but if you haven't seen 4k in person, head down to Fry's or whatever you got, they're pretty nice.

Oh yeah lmao, not to mention the four grand you are going to have to drop on a TV as well.
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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:01:16 »
Currently $1800 and droppin

http://www.frys.com/product/7797528

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:08:04 »
Currently $1800 and droppin

http://www.frys.com/product/7797528

I wouldn't buy ANY tvs right now..

Not until we know for sure.. whether they're going with CInema 4k  4096 pixels or UHD  3840 pixels

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:08:52 »
Not until we know for sure.. whether they're going with CInema 4k  4096 pixels or UHD  3840 pixels

That's good advice, I'm patiently waiting =)

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:11:42 »
Not until we know for sure.. whether they're going with CInema 4k  4096 pixels or UHD  3840 pixels

That's good advice, I'm patiently waiting =)

Well, if you MUST have one now..   Get the 4096,  because worse comes to worst,  it will just center the picture with 128pixels black bars to either side.  a mere 3% of the total width of the tv.. 6% for both sides

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:16:32 »

Um.. a decent 4k bluray player is going to ~ $400 USD

But of course PS4 might be able to play them.. < Unconfirmed >


But if you spend $200 on a cpu and $100 on a mother board.

You can arrrgh ' all the full discs online..


Harddrives are 40Gigs / dollar.

Remux a 4k Bluray, it'll be something like 70-80Gigs

Your cost will be $2 per 4k disc

Retail, is probably $30 per 4k disc

I was refering to your first post where you said the upcoming 4k 10bit blue ray requires 5th gen processor
I'm currently running 6 cores 4th gen

going 5th gen would cost too much, new MB+CPU, than new tubing since I'm running watercooling
and at that point I'll realize to get the new GPU since I'm taking apart the loops
dont forget the 4k IPS monitor :D

Already have a 4k TV at home, so rather buy the player which can read the upcoming new 4k blue ray
but if ps4 can read it, than I'm good since I've one on stand by
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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:29:13 »

Um.. a decent 4k bluray player is going to ~ $400 USD

But of course PS4 might be able to play them.. < Unconfirmed >


But if you spend $200 on a cpu and $100 on a mother board.

You can arrrgh ' all the full discs online..


Harddrives are 40Gigs / dollar.

Remux a 4k Bluray, it'll be something like 70-80Gigs

Your cost will be $2 per 4k disc

Retail, is probably $30 per 4k disc

I was refering to your first post where you said the upcoming 4k 10bit blue ray requires 5th gen processor
I'm currently running 6 cores 4th gen

going 5th gen would cost too much, new MB+CPU, than new tubing since I'm running watercooling
and at that point I'll realize to get the new GPU since I'm taking apart the loops
dont forget the 4k IPS monitor :D

Already have a 4k TV at home, so rather buy the player which can read the upcoming new 4k blue ray
but if ps4 can read it, than I'm good since I've one on stand by



I specifically mentioned,  that you'd need to upgrade to at least a Sandybridge i3..

Everything from then on should play the discs fine..

But the alternate, more common case, will be people might do something M0re than watch blurays simultaneously,   which would require  the next step up which is quadcore i5 or i7

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:40:08 »

Um.. a decent 4k bluray player is going to ~ $400 USD

But of course PS4 might be able to play them.. < Unconfirmed >


But if you spend $200 on a cpu and $100 on a mother board.

You can arrrgh ' all the full discs online..


Harddrives are 40Gigs / dollar.

Remux a 4k Bluray, it'll be something like 70-80Gigs

Your cost will be $2 per 4k disc

Retail, is probably $30 per 4k disc

I was refering to your first post where you said the upcoming 4k 10bit blue ray requires 5th gen processor
I'm currently running 6 cores 4th gen

going 5th gen would cost too much, new MB+CPU, than new tubing since I'm running watercooling
and at that point I'll realize to get the new GPU since I'm taking apart the loops
dont forget the 4k IPS monitor :D

Already have a 4k TV at home, so rather buy the player which can read the upcoming new 4k blue ray
but if ps4 can read it, than I'm good since I've one on stand by



I specifically mentioned,  that you'd need to upgrade to at least a Sandybridge i3..

Everything from then on should play the discs fine..

But the alternate, more common case, will be people might do something M0re than watch blurays simultaneously,   which would require  the next step up which is quadcore i5 or i7


Ah noticed, it's 6am when I read your post
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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:52:32 »
Not sure I understand the point of this post.

So in order to benefit from 4k, you'd need a decently large screen (or you'd need to be obnoxiously close to your laptop).

So this primarily going to apply to people who watch 4k movies, on their laptops/computers, wired to their TV's. In which case I would assume/hope most people have decent dedicated bluray players since they are a hell of a lot cheaper than upgrading a computer.

So it's to warn people that don't have 4k bluray players, but only have bluray on their pc/laptops, and have those systems hooked up to their TVs, that their hardware might be outdated?

This is GH.. I don't think anyone here has bought a disc in years,   Yet we're all watching full bitstream files.. ..cough...
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Point is..  Everyone needs to beef up their CPUs..
I rather buy a 4k blue ray player than upgrading the PC
Upgrading pc tend to be very costly


Um.. a decent 4k bluray player is going to ~ $400 USD

But of course PS4 might be able to play them.. < Unconfirmed >


But if you spend $200 on a cpu and $100 on a mother board.

You can arrrgh ' all the full discs online..


Harddrives are 40Gigs / dollar.

Remux a 4k Bluray, it'll be something like 70-80Gigs

Your cost will be $2 per 4k disc

Retail, is probably $30 per 4k disc

The best a PS4/XBone could do is streaming it.  and if those values are true (I think they are looking at the processor gpu not an aftermarket), 90% of all people couldn't do encoding on them without a farm of systems dedicated to it.

Also I buy discs.... sometimes.  then promptly toss them on my NAS... except I got a backlog because I'm gaming too much lately.

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Re: 4K blurays ?
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 03 June 2015, 19:07:50 »
Here's what I think will be the ideal panel given existing technologies..


ULMB (lightboosting)

Full RGB Led array (w local dimming) Or quantum dots.. either one..

120hz

4K cinema resolution 4096 x 2160