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Best clicky switch?
« on: Sun, 19 March 2017, 23:37:50 »
I was wondering what you guys think is the best clicky switch? I'm loving my zealiostotles right now but some sticky keys are really annoying. Maybe I should try gat blues?

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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 19 March 2017, 23:39:26 »
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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 19 March 2017, 23:41:46 »
MX blues w/ 55g Korean springs

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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 00:02:25 »
Zealiostotles with 98g springs

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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 00:23:00 »
I love my Blue Alps keyboard. Most satisfying feeling ever ^-^.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 01:47:18 »
Vintage Cherry Jailhouse Blues or Outemu Blues the first hour you use them.*


*They are still better than other blues after broken in (comparable to vintage Cherry Blues), but that first hour is almost like a buckling spring feel.
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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 02:34:59 »
I like Matias Clicks. They are lighter and more tactile than white Alps but you can get them much more easily in brand new condition.

They make any MX based clicky feel like mush tbh.
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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 02:46:26 »
Hmm, interesting options here. I'm quite tempted to try jailhouse blues and matais click. Anyone tried gatistotles here? They're what I'm currently using and I want to see how they compare to the aforementioned switches

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 04:39:13 »
Alps SKCM Blue, IBM buckling spring, Oki Tactile Gourd Spring

OTOH, modern Cherry MX Blue/Green is not even on the list, because it's such a garbage design of a clicky switch (jailhouse blues though…). I find vintage MX Blue (the old stem design) at least barely tolerable.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 04:47:02 »
Hmm, interesting options here. I'm quite tempted to try jailhouse blues and matais click. Anyone tried gatistotles here? They're what I'm currently using and I want to see how they compare to the aforementioned switches
You don't have to go actual vintage for Cherry good blues, just find a first year Razer Black Widow, they are about as good of Cherry blues as you will get.
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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 04:54:42 »
Hmm, interesting options here. I'm quite tempted to try jailhouse blues and matais click. Anyone tried gatistotles here? They're what I'm currently using and I want to see how they compare to the aforementioned switches
I'm currently building Gatistotle with Gateron Yellows, but haven't had the time to replace the stems. I can come back at you and report how they feel. Apart from that, I'm not a big fan of Cherry MX Blue or Green.

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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 07:35:37 »
Blue Alps and beam springs.
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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 08:11:07 »
There is no best as it varies depending on what I'm doing and which key it is.

For example sI like a much stiffer switch for my spacebar and some modifiers.

For gaming I like stiffer switches than when I'm coding.

A mix of Gateron Blue and Green with a few spring swaps for some keys that need even more stiffness.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 10:39:39 »
Blue Alps and beam springs.

How could I forget beamsprings. So good.
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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 10:52:15 »
Bad, uncool, dude that I am, I use and enjoy modern MX Blues. If clicky Alps switches were to be made again I'd certainly give those a try.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 11:22:44 »
Bad, uncool, dude that I am, I use and enjoy modern MX Blues. If clicky Alps switches were to be made again I'd certainly give those a try.
They're not bad per se, but there are just better options. Have you already tried the Aristotle stem in a different housing?

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 11:27:01 »
Hmm, interesting options here. I'm quite tempted to try jailhouse blues and matais click. Anyone tried gatistotles here? They're what I'm currently using and I want to see how they compare to the aforementioned switches
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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 12:39:41 »
Bad, uncool, dude that I am, I use and enjoy modern MX Blues. If clicky Alps switches were to be made again I'd certainly give those a try.
They're not bad per se, but there are just better options. Have you already tried the Aristotle stem in a different housing?
I haven't messed with any modifications yet. It'd be fairly pointless for me until I get another KB though, my Rosewill has wacky problems.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 16:41:03 »
There is no best as it varies depending on what I'm doing and which key it is.

For example sI like a much stiffer switch for my spacebar and some modifiers.

For gaming I like stiffer switches than when I'm coding.

A mix of Gateron Blue and Green with a few spring swaps for some keys that need even more stiffness.
Very true... Different people also like different things.
My all time favorite is buckling spring, they just type incredibly well. Unfortunately it's not good for gaming due to noise and hysteresis, and even just using one while watching a movie is distracting. You also have very limited options for manufacturer and shapes and styles. Alps also has some that work quite well.

For gaming, I love Jailhouse Blues, it was part of what they were created for,  they have very fast reaction, low noise, and no hysteresis, pretty much everything a buckling spring isn't yet still work well for typing.
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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 18:22:21 »
Best Clicky switch is F buckling springs,  hands down.  NKRO by default due to hardware design.
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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 19:11:45 »
PSA: Current MX / RGB Blues (very recent batches) are MUCH better than MX blues from just 1 year ago.  The quality is improved enough to almost make you think you are using a different switch brand altogether.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 19:58:11 »
Best Clicky switch is F buckling springs,  hands down.  NKRO by default due to hardware design.
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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 20:15:25 »
PSA: Current MX / RGB Blues (very recent batches) are MUCH better than MX blues from just 1 year ago.  The quality is improved enough to almost make you think you are using a different switch brand altogether.

Wonder if they finally got around to making new molds.
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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 20:24:53 »
BS. Is BS clicky? It makes a click.

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 20:37:33 »
PSA: Current MX / RGB Blues (very recent batches) are MUCH better than MX blues from just 1 year ago.  The quality is improved enough to almost make you think you are using a different switch brand altogether.

Wonder if they finally got around to making new molds.

according to this thread, they have. 
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 20:52:43 »
PSA: Current MX / RGB Blues (very recent batches) are MUCH better than MX blues from just 1 year ago.  The quality is improved enough to almost make you think you are using a different switch brand altogether.

Wonder if they finally got around to making new molds.
I found some new MX blue switches at the meetup recently, and the logo is unmistakably different on them, as is the surface texture I think. There might well be something in this.
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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 21:01:36 »
I like my Gatistoles with 60g. I also am fond of Cherry Blues/Greens with 67g springs. I havent tried Gateron greens in a full board but they feel great individually.
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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 00:30:09 »
BS. Is BS clicky? It makes a click.
It doesn't click so much as knock.
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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 00:43:15 »
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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 03:47:13 »
Most answers are BS in which has been my all time favourite switch, period. I have an XT and AT ANSI and I'm starting to believe that there is no other clicky switch that can compare besides Beamspring ofc but I have tried hunting one to no avail. Maybe the F/Beamspring truly are endgame.

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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 08:40:07 »
Capacitive buckling spring. Then non capacitive Bs.  Next gatistotle or zealiostotle with heavy springs. After that it doesn't really matter. Stock gaterons are pretty nice. Jailhouse switches aren't clickys, and the mod supresses the sharp feedback which is the biggest reason to use a clicky!
        

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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 11:54:05 »
You forgot about beamsprings, which are even better than capacitive buckling springs.

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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 11:57:48 »
Welp, I haven't ever had the pleasure of trying a beam spring board, so I didn't include it :(
        

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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 12:40:17 »
I never used one either.  It's possible I may have pressed on one when I was a child, but the only thing I remember was seeing IBM Selectric II's and Commodore PET's still around in the very early 1980's.  I thought IBM PC's were a joke at the time...

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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 13:17:02 »
I prefer tactile switches, but of all the MX-type clicky switches I've tried, I like the Fosen Aquamarine the most. They feel really close to MX Blues (maybe a smidgen heavier), but the click is a deeper, more satisfying sound to my ears.

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:34:01 »
As far as the switch itself is concerned, I'd rate beam springs most highly.  If there was a scale out of 10, they would receive a 10.

Model F receives a score of 9.5, and Model M gets 9.  I would rate Blue ALPS also at 9.
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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:42:03 »
I never used one either.  It's possible I may have pressed on one when I was a child, but the only thing I remember was seeing IBM Selectric II's and Commodore PET's still around in the very early 1980's.  I thought IBM PC's were a joke at the time...
Welp, I haven't ever had the pleasure of trying a beam spring board, so I didn't include it :(
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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:45:13 »
Pretty sure whoever posts "buckling springs" here hasn't tried an F, and whoever posts "capacitive buckling springs" hasn't tried a beamspring xD .

Last time I checked a Model F was buckling springs?? Come on Chyros, you're better than that! :D

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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:52:30 »
A Model F feels quite better than a Model M.  Even though a Model M feels better than any Cherry MX keyboard, F's were better built and simply felt like the legacy they were--an evolution and miniaturization of the terminal beamspring keyboards, which were far too heavy and bulky for personal computer use.

I only tried a Model F once in my life, back when either the Cerritos Library or Cerritos College back in 1992 (I think it was 1992) still had old IBM computers for some sort of computer classes.  I didn't even know anything at the time, except I remember the enter key looked....extremely awkward.  I knew what the keyboards felt like as I had tried model M's back in the 80's as well, without knowing anything except "IBM's aren't for video games".

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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 21 March 2017, 22:14:32 »
If key feel is the only concern, I think I will vote for beam spring. Though I am not lucky enough to have a whole beam spring board. I only have one switch tester. However, given the size, weight and availability I don't think it's a very practical choice. I would vote for capacitive buckling spring for practical purpose.
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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 01:55:34 »
Pretty sure whoever posts "buckling springs" here hasn't tried an F, and whoever posts "capacitive buckling springs" hasn't tried a beamspring xD .

Last time I checked a Model F was buckling springs?? Come on Chyros, you're better than that! :D
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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 11:38:13 »
Pretty sure whoever posts "buckling springs" here hasn't tried an F, and whoever posts "capacitive buckling springs" hasn't tried a beamspring xD .

Last time I checked a Model F was buckling springs?? Come on Chyros, you're better than that! :D
True, but people who've tried an F never refer to them as just "buckling springs" because they know they're so much better than the ones in the M. They'll always stress the capacitive bit.
I've never used the term "capacitive buckling spring" since it is too unwieldly.  I call it Model F. 
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« Reply #44 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 11:45:57 »
Pretty sure whoever posts "buckling springs" here hasn't tried an F, and whoever posts "capacitive buckling springs" hasn't tried a beamspring xD .

Last time I checked a Model F was buckling springs?? Come on Chyros, you're better than that! :D
True, but people who've tried an F never refer to them as just "buckling springs" because they know they're so much better than the ones in the M. They'll always stress the capacitive bit.
I've never used the term "capacitive buckling spring" since it is too unwieldly.  I call it Model F.
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« Reply #45 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 12:05:08 »
Pretty sure whoever posts "buckling springs" here hasn't tried an F, and whoever posts "capacitive buckling springs" hasn't tried a beamspring xD .

Last time I checked a Model F was buckling springs?? Come on Chyros, you're better than that! :D
True, but people who've tried an F never refer to them as just "buckling springs" because they know they're so much better than the ones in the M. They'll always stress the capacitive bit.

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« Reply #46 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 18:33:11 »
i honestly like outemu blue better than buckling spring. they feel just as tactile and more refined imo.

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« Reply #47 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 20:13:53 »
I'm waiting on quiet clicks, I'll report back here once I eventually receive them

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« Reply #48 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 22:55:55 »
i honestly like outemu blue better than buckling spring. they feel just as tactile and more refined imo.
By more refined, I assume you mean more mechanical, involving more parts.  Without attempting to sow the seeds of flaming, I'd say it feels less natural. 
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Re: Best clicky switch?
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 22 March 2017, 23:21:04 »
My all time favorite is buckling spring, they just type incredibly well. Unfortunately it's not good for gaming due to noise and hysteresis, and even just using one while watching a movie is distracting. You also have very limited options for manufacturer and shapes and styles. Alps also has some that work quite well.

For gaming, I love Jailhouse Blues, it was part of what they were created for,  they have very fast reaction, low noise, and no hysteresis, pretty much everything a buckling spring isn't yet still work well for typing.
Honestly, I never really felt the hysteresis on Model M buckling springs (never had the chance to try a Model F), and would greatly prefer gaming on one to any linear switch because of the tactility. It just kinda snaps back right up once you've gone past the release point.

Cherry MX Blues, on the other hand? I can really feel the release point shifting up on those, but it's still not quite a deal-breaker for gaming. (It is, however, enough to make me prefer MX Clears overall.)

I've also never heard of a "Jailhouse Blue" until now, such that it has me tempted to test it out on my DSI Modular Mac at some point (and, in the future, the Kinesis Freestyle Edge). It'd save me the hassle of having to buy MX Clears or Zealios and transplant them all in manually.