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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 02:55:32 »
Indeed; I'd love to see some more lower profile options.  One of my biggest complaints with a lot of mechs is how thick they are and that 4mm switch travel is just a little too long for my taste.

You really shouldn't need the whole travel. Most Cherries and clones activate at 2mm travel, the rest is to save you from bottoming out. Once you get used to doing that, the typing experience changes completely.

Don't mash the keys down aimlessly! If you've ever fired a firearm then you are familiar with the "squeeze, don't pull" idea. Apply that to your switches (learn on blues or browns first) and you'll begin to really appreciate the extra travel because you no longer need it!

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 03:03:44 »
A: that's not the point
B: I like bottoming out on keyboards for gaming. I have Topre for work.
C: there's a million billion switches with 2mm activation and 4mm total travel. I want more options.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 02 January 2017, 23:09:08 »
 :eek:

That white switch is the keyboard switch of my dreams. Would buy a batch or two of them. Are they still working on these?

I've heard the pin arrangement is not like ML. Makes sense to me that they should be like Cherry MX pins so we can use the same PCBs. They look compatible with Cherry MX plates already.

I hope these get released.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 03 January 2017, 08:22:13 »
Any updates on this matt3o?

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 03 January 2017, 16:42:15 »
thread @ Deskthority with more updates

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 03 January 2017, 17:57:21 »
thread @ Deskthority with more updates

Thank you!  I'm very excited for this! :)

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 06:25:51 »
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 08:32:47 »
IT'S SO THIN AND PERFECT!!   :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 08:36:25 »
Is this going to be double shot in some way?  I think you were insistent about using PBT.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 11:54:45 »
Is this going to be double shot in some way?  I think you were insistent about using PBT.

unfortunately the key is too thin for doubleshot

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 12:06:05 »
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Wowwwww, that's awesome! Make sure there's a rose gold option if you start selling them ;)
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 12:27:18 »
Is this going to be double shot in some way?  I think you were insistent about using PBT.

unfortunately the key is too thin for doubleshot

So you are saying these are painted backlit (ala WASD Code ) keycaps?  If that's true I'm out. :(

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 16:39:16 »
yes those are definitely painted, but it's just a prototype, no worries :)

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 05 January 2017, 18:17:38 »
Can you provide any hints as to the keycap options either for Kailh's official board or yours?  Even blank black ABS would be preferable to painted backlit.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 07:21:45 »
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Hahahaha monolithic aluminium eh? I spy an Apple fan  :)) .

Looks cool though, maybe we'll finally have one of these low-profile aluminium keyboards that doesn't suck donkey balls! :D
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 08:27:56 »
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Hahahaha monolithic aluminium eh? I spy an Apple fan  :)) .

Looks cool though, maybe we'll finally have one of these low-profile aluminium keyboards that doesn't suck donkey balls! :D

Don't go there girlfriend!  Here is a quality aluminum low profile albeit fullsize only:

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And unlike most mechanicals with a 1 or 2 year warranty (where's your faith OEM's?) this is good for 5 years.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 06 January 2017, 09:23:27 »
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Hahahaha monolithic aluminium eh? I spy an Apple fan  :)) .

Looks cool though, maybe we'll finally have one of these low-profile aluminium keyboards that doesn't suck donkey balls! :D

Don't go there girlfriend!  Here is a quality aluminum low profile albeit fullsize only:

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And unlike most mechanicals with a 1 or 2 year warranty (where's your faith OEM's?) this is good for 5 years.
Never heard of it, the only aluminium keyboards I know are the Apple ones xD . If SIIG made it, I'm sure it's fine, they know their stuff. Strange they won't make a space-saving version though, SIIG are probably most well-known for their space-saving keyboards.
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #67 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 02:09:42 »
Can you provide any hints as to the keycap options either for Kailh's official board or yours?  Even blank black ABS would be preferable to painted backlit.

Kailh is working on PBT keycaps.

Hahahaha monolithic aluminium eh? I spy an Apple fan  :)) .

Looks cool though, maybe we'll finally have one of these low-profile aluminium keyboards that doesn't suck donkey balls! :D
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that's Kailh design, but I believe it's good to show what can be done with those switches


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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 07:31:21 »
Can you provide any hints as to the keycap options either for Kailh's official board or yours?  Even blank black ABS would be preferable to painted backlit.

Kailh is working on PBT keycaps.

Dyesub?  (I HOPE!)

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #69 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 08:54:14 »
Man, you guys are so demanding of your keycaps! You wouldn't buy practically ALL commercial keyboards on the market nowadays! xD
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 09:36:56 »
Man, you guys are so demanding of your keycaps! You wouldn't buy practically ALL commercial keyboards on the market nowadays! xD

All that I ask is for keycaps that are not painted backlit and the aesthetics of the keyboard wasn't inspired by hemorrhoids.
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 09:55:36 »
Man, you guys are so demanding of your keycaps! You wouldn't buy practically ALL commercial keyboards on the market nowadays! xD

All that I ask is for keycaps that are not painted backlit and the aesthetics of the keyboard wasn't inspired by hemorrhoids.
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 07 January 2017, 18:29:07 »
It looks like Tesoro is coming out with a Kailh ML clone board in Q2.

Too bad it has a number pad!

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 08 January 2017, 13:11:35 »
yes, PBT keycaps with dye sub legends

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 08 January 2017, 16:03:15 »
BLUE switches too, are these any different from the white clicky ones we saw before?

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 08 January 2017, 17:24:38 »
yes, PBT keycaps with dye sub legends
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The erection is strong with this one!

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 15 January 2017, 04:53:58 »
Did anyone notice also those switches on Kailh website?
http://www.kailh.com/gb/productdetail.asp?Productid=1583
http://www.kailh.com/gb/productdetail.asp?Productid=1587
I don't think those are keyboard switches. Kailh makes a lot of switches/buttons. Some of the buttons/switches in your car are probably Kailh.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 16 January 2017, 21:30:38 »
Did anyone notice also those switches on Kailh website?
http://www.kailh.com/gb/productdetail.asp?Productid=1583
http://www.kailh.com/gb/productdetail.asp?Productid=1587
I've seen them few months ago. I did not check well at that time. But the first one has shorter height (8mm) than MX (11mm). And footprint of the switch is narrower.
Second one says its a keyboard switch with center LED.

Since this thread is for new low profile one, they are out of the subject.
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 00:14:34 »
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That is really cool!

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #80 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 02:24:48 »
they just shipped to me enough keycaps, stabilizers and switches to build a custom keyboard. go-go DHL!

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #81 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 10:03:03 »
they just shipped to me enough keycaps, stabilizers and switches to build a custom keyboard. go-go DHL!

Are they shipping you PBT dyesub or just ABS to start out with?

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 10:58:13 »
Are they shipping you PBT dyesub or just ABS to start out with?

I'm pretty sure they are still painted and lasered ABS, but I don't actually know yet, it's holiday now in China and I can't really talk to them until Feb 4th

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #83 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 16:17:09 »
Is that flat wide chiclet keycap style the only keycap style there will be?
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #84 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:48:27 »
Is that flat wide chiclet keycap style the only keycap style there will be?

not sure about that, they showed me a couple of renders (one like a cherry ML keycap) but these "laptop style" seem they way they want to go.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 07:54:26 »
Is that flat wide chiclet keycap style the only keycap style there will be?

not sure about that, they showed me a couple of renders (one like a cherry ML keycap) but these "laptop style" seem they way they want to go.

As a huge fan of MX 3.0 and G20 caps I definitely want chiclet/laptop keycaps on this.  Cut the fat out of it I say! :D

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #86 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 09:40:10 »
today I received something I really wasn't expecting. Doubleshot low profile keycaps. They initially said it wasn't possible but evidently they found a way. Together with that I have enough switches to make a keyboard!




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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 09:46:23 »
Please tell me you have a ANSI Enter key!  That big ass enter looks weird.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #88 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 09:50:54 »
LOL, yes ANSI Enter is in da house

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 10:13:22 »
So, just to confirm, what exactly is your role in this? Are you a tester for them or something? Impressive keycaps by the way!
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 13:19:53 »
are these switches available to the public? I can see this going great on that mech fidget gadget on the IC forum

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 16:35:23 »
So, just to confirm, what exactly is your role in this? Are you a tester for them or something? Impressive keycaps by the way!

not exactly a tester, I'm trying to make a keyboard out of them.

are these switches available to the public? I can see this going great on that mech fidget gadget on the IC forum

they are available but MOQ directly from kailh is pretty high.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 25 January 2017, 10:25:31 »
Matt3o: Are you planning on designing your own cases?  Or will these drop into standard "MX" ones?

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 25 January 2017, 14:14:09 »
Hrrrrrrrrm...

this would help increase the maximum tenting angle of the ergodox.. by 5-10 degrees..

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 25 January 2017, 14:34:16 »
So, just to confirm, what exactly is your role in this? Are you a tester for them or something? Impressive keycaps by the way!

not exactly a tester, I'm trying to make a keyboard out of them.

are these switches available to the public? I can see this going great on that mech fidget gadget on the IC forum

they are available but MOQ directly from kailh is pretty high.

Sorry if I missed it, but what kind of prices we looking at approximately at this high MOQ?
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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 25 January 2017, 15:13:55 »
If they are any good a custom board would be pretty awesome. Because low profile 😆

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 25 January 2017, 18:10:44 »
Because low profile 😆

Low profile is love! Low profile is life! Trim the fat out of our keyboards! So say we all!

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 25 January 2017, 18:46:25 »
I think it's time for a GB IC...

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #98 on: Fri, 27 January 2017, 13:56:39 »
Sorry if I missed it, but what kind of prices we looking at approximately at this high MOQ?

the switch per-se is not terribly expensive, the problem is that we need new keycaps, stabs, plates, case, ....

Matt3o: Are you planning on designing your own cases?  Or will these drop into standard "MX" ones?

we need a whole new case, yes. Technically it works on a cherry mx switch plate, but it's not a perfect fit.

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Re: New low profile Kailh switches (cherry ML inspired)
« Reply #99 on: Fri, 27 January 2017, 15:18:26 »
I think we should see if mass drop could get them.