Things you hate

[sth]

When KL and Tp4 post.

Should add mr. windows to that list.
[...]
Because they troll to troll and are obtuse solely to be obtuse.

MW doesn't belong on the list.
tp4 used to troll a lot more but now he's just boring and sad.
\KL doesn't troll so much as he has ludicrous ideas on how he thinks the world should work* while completely disregarding reality as it exists. the only trolling he does is by simply existing and believing the things he believes, and letting other people freak out about it. but he has good taste in music


*look at me calling other people idealistic. isn't that weird?!

[keyboardlover]

\KL doesn't troll so much as he has ludicrous ideas on how he thinks the world should work* while completely disregarding reality as it exists.

NOW who's trolling?

If you think I'm wrong about something, then say so.

[sth]

i think braid is overrated

[deepthawt]

mini USB connectors on the outside edge of anything, without strain relief. 

I am totally restraining myself here.

[NikoGasm]

You know what I hate more than anything? When people chew with their mouth open. My biggest pet peeve is those disgusting lip-smacky noises that people make. Ugh, it makes me want to slap them and their parents.

Regardless of if the sound is caused by food or not, it's that sound that drives me crazy.

[razorsharpgears]

You know what I hate more than anything? When people chew with their mouth open. My biggest pet peeve is those disgusting lip-smacky noises that people make. Ugh, it makes me want to slap them and their parents.

Regardless of if the sound is caused by food or not, it's that sound that drives me crazy.

Dude... I thought I was the only one, pisses the hell out of me. And I seem to notice it everywhere I go :/

[demik]

When KL and Tp4 post.

Should add mr. windows to that list.
[...]
Because they troll to troll and are obtuse solely to be obtuse.

\KL doesn't troll so much as he has ludicrous ideas on how he thinks the world should work* while completely disregarding reality as it exists. the only trolling he does is by simply existing and believing the things he believes, and letting other people freak out about it. but he has good taste in music


*look at me calling other people idealistic. isn't that weird?!

sth, please stop being a tyrant!

i know obama sent you to be a tyrant.

i mean, i dont know what it is to live under tyranny, but damn it i'll throw that word around if i feel like it.

TYRANT.

TYRANT!

[sth]

good ol' fashioned OBAMUNISM

[rowdy]

KL has > 10,000 posts - he has transcended trolling

[Glissant]

KL doesn't like my threads He hates me

[rowdy]

KL doesn't like my threads He hates me

Unless he said that in this thread, then it's not true

[Amr0d]

I hate my job, some people I need to work with, some people at home, random people I meet on the street, stupid questions, stupid answers, being late (both sides), not being honest to me, not being reliable to me, being single and that are no ISO DE Kits for my Keyboard sets.

There are probably a few more things I hate but I forget lots of stuff. But I love baby dogs and cats:

[keyboardlover]

Lol @ sth and demik.

You guys don't even know what tyranny is man. You've already accepted your shackles. "Thank you massah!"

Trying to explain freedom to a statist is like trying to explain the sky to a fish. That doesn't mean I'm wrong...it just means I have a completely different view of reality than you do. I can prove with facts that it's most correct, but statists never like to hear the truth - because it disproves everything they believe in.

KL doesn't like my threads He hates me

Wut dude? I don't remember saying that!

[Alessandro]

Who does every thread on here become an argument?

[keyboardlover]

Who does every thread on here become an argument?

[metalliqaz]

Trying to explain freedom to a statist is like trying to explain the sky to a fish. That doesn't mean I'm wrong...it just means I have a completely different view of reality than you do. I can prove with facts that it's most correct, but statists never like to hear the truth - because it disproves everything they believe in.

"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics... Even if you win, you're still retarded."

KL, take what you just said and imagine someone said that to you.  Could you, even as a thought experiment, do that yourself?  Hell no.  Everyone who you are so sure are clinging to false 'facts' believe the same thing about your 'facts'.  It goes on and on.  All y'all should just realize that you are all believers and there's nothing you can do to argue with a believer.

[keyboardlover]

I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day it's fine if people want to believe in statism (although it's the most dangerous religion in the world and the writing is on the wall regarding the body count). The problem is that these people don't believe that others should have the right to simply be left alone. And, I can disprove it with truth, but truth is the most frightening thing to a statist. It disproves everything they've been indoctrinated to believe in.

i think braid is overrated

That's fine if you think that. I think they are underrated.

[fohat.digs]

Although at heart I am entirely sympathetic to the "libertarian ideal" I also believe that the world has become too complicated to be left to its own devices.

People are inherently selfish and the world is horribly overpopulated now, and still growing.

Whatever problems exist anyway are magnified as populations increase and further stress whatever systems are required to support them.

In my opinion, a human population in the 1-3 billion range would probably be most comfortable and appropriate for the planet Earth. And since the world has become so "small" with instantaneous universal communication, a single planetary government is probably inevitable within a couple of generations. I just hope it is not China that replaces the US as the global police force in the meantime.

It would be nice if there were a few million acres of wilderness, on each continent, set aside in park-like structures, where those people who wanted to get off the grid and be self-sufficient could do so, but what have I been smoking?

[keyboardlover]

I think the things you bring up prove exactly why statism is so dangerous and why the right of people to be left alone should be respected. All the things you bring up - government legitimizes these problems and makes them much worse.

Anarchism is not what most people think. It's not "just winging it" and it's not "chaos". It's order through voluntary association. It's respecting the right of others to be left alone. It's leadership by example.

[davkol]

...and it's the weirdest kind of utopia I've ever heard of.

[keyboardlover]

...and it's the weirdest kind of utopia I've ever heard of.

It may be weird to you, but it's not a "utopia". Define that word! The entire concept is completely different for everyone. One man's paradise is another's hell. Which is precisely why people should have the right to be left alone.

[absyrd]

I hate keyboards.

[davkol]

...and it's the weirdest kind of utopia I've ever heard of.

It may be weird to you, but it's not a "utopia". Define that word! The entire concept is completely different for everyone. One man's paradise is another's hell. Which is precisely why people should have the right to be left alone.

It won't work unless you get perfect people... somehow somewhere. We, humans aren't nice creatures. We pursue our own goals, our behavior is affected by emotions, and therefore we sometimes fail in the hawk-dove game.

[keyboardlover]

It won't work unless you get perfect people... somehow somewhere. We, humans aren't nice creatures. We pursue our own goals, our behavior is affected by emotions, and therefore we sometimes fail in the hawk-dove game.

Nah man, that's the whole point...this is a common misconception. The fact that we are so imperfect and different is precisely why government doesn't work. We don't need government to enjoy voluntary associations and get along with each other (nor to settle disagreements with each other). The issue is that government monopolizes the legitimate use for force and arbitration - which assumes that the rules they enforce, at point of gun, all make sense for everyone.

Are there bad people? Of course - that is why you don't want to have a government! Why would you want to put that kind of power into the hands of bad people? And just look at how devastating the outcome is...

I like the way Ernie Hancock put it: There are two types of people in the world. Those who want to be left alone, and those who simply will not leave them alone.

[davkol]

And lack of government does work? Tell me about it...

If people want to protect themselves from famine, predators, other people,... they need to organize themselves. It's usually called state, and it usually has some sort of... wait for it... government.

[keyboardlover]

And lack of government does work? Tell me about it...

If people want to protect themselves from famine, predators, other people,... they need to organize themselves. It's usually called state, and it usually has some sort of... wait for it... government.

Yes, in fact it works very well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy#Lists_of_ungoverned_communities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Revolution#Orwell.27s_account
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

I definitely believe that people should have the right to defend themselves and their families - but you don't need a government to do that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

Btw, I think this thread may be getting a bit OT now. I am happy to discuss political theory either in another thread, via PM/e-mail or even in person though. If anyone is interested, let me know.

[davkol]

Going back on-topic. I hate when people post stuff like this as an argument:

Whether or not Libertatia actually existed is disputed.

[keyboardlover]

I just posted a link with information about some good examples. That is one which is not...take it for what it's worth. Don't jump on me for one bad example.

[demik]

kl, in your perfect world how would stuff get done? how would peace come to be?

and take into account there are bad people in the world. everybody didnt just over night become ned flanders and loved their neighbor.

[SmallFry]

I ****ing hate school. Hate it.

[Glissant]

I hate not having everyone I like on the forums close by irl. I would stalk everyone so much.

[keyboardlover]

kl, in your perfect world how would stuff get done? how would peace come to be?

and take into account there are bad people in the world. everybody didnt just over night become ned flanders and loved their neighbor.

I'm not sure how your "perfect world" question is relevant. My idea of a "perfect world" would not have humans in it, since humans are imperfect creatures. That has nothing to do with the ideology I'm defending here.

Please PM or email me if you have further questions so as not to derail this thread.

[sth]

Lol @ sth and demik.

You guys don't even know what tyranny is man. You've already accepted your shackles. "Thank you massah!"

Trying to explain freedom to a statist is like trying to explain the sky to a fish. That doesn't mean I'm wrong...it just means I have a completely different view of reality than you do. I can prove with facts that it's most correct, but statists never like to hear the truth - because it disproves everything they believe in.

i don't know what gave you the idea that i am a statist / not anarchistic, man

shackles paints a really nice picture of a suffering that i am wary to assume that you are in a position to understand unless i've grossly misjudged you. also you don't need to resort to that kind of really-treading-on-racist hyperbole.

from what i've seen of your political/economic ideals, you always struck me as an individualist/libertarian rather than an anarchist. yes, individualist anarchism exists but it's certainly not what we're talking about here, at least yet.

case in point - your hatred of taxes is predicated on your hatred of the state. but taxes are perfectly compatible with many of anarchism so long as the taxes are agreed upon. furthermore, claiming that taxation is theft or outright coercive places undue importance on the value of currency, which, as an anarchist, should be a means to an end i would imagine, and less so a goal for accumulation.

i am in no way saying that taxation as it exists is a fully good thing, but you are quick to dismiss what has worked in the past and can work again even without a hierarchy or state that 'dictates' taxation. without a full-on gift economy, can you suggest another form of social welfare that is non-coercive and prevents suffering? as someone who prefers a wasteful safety net to no safety net, it's one of my favorite quandaries of anarchist thought. and no, saying that people who can't/won't/don't work should be left to fend for themselves is not an acceptable answer, since we're talking anarchism on a societal level.

as far as anarchist idealism (something i have ruefully put back on the shelf, but still hold dear) ponder this quote:

"It is not for anarchists to celebrate when ‘the people’ take over, anarchists ought not to be so amazed at examples of natural ingenuity and resilience, that is after all what they base all their principles on. Unfortunately their proper political task is less appealing and more controversial, it is to poke their fingers into the wounds of revolution, to doubt and to look for ways in which the Zapatistas, FLN, ANC or any other bunch of leftwing heroes will sell out, because they always do." http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/monsieur-dupont-nihilist-communism

[SmallFry]

TL; DR I hate school still. **** it and its social classes and judging.

[sth]

TL; DR I hate school still. **** it and its social classes and judging.

drop out and read about anarchism instead

actually don't; it's just depressing after a certain point.

[SmallFry]

Depressing as it stands now...

[sth]

Depressing as it stands now...

only if you're a hardliner with a nice armchair like \KL

[MMB]

Your face.

[tp4tissue]

TL; DR I hate school still. **** it and its social classes and judging.

well, only if you're ugly... if you're good looking, then school/ life is generally good.

[iri]

i hate it that a kitten dies every time kl posts about politics

[demik]

i hate it that a kitten dies every time kl posts about politics

tyranny bro.

[BlindRAGE606]

I love school and the stepping stones of education; a life long learner I am. Higher edu runs deep in my family.

[TheQsanity]

Hate, Hate.

[keyboardlover]

tyranny bro.

I don't think you know what that word means.

i don't know what gave you the idea that i am a statist / not anarchistic, man

shackles paints a really nice picture of a suffering that i am wary to assume that you are in a position to understand unless i've grossly misjudged you. also you don't need to resort to that kind of really-treading-on-racist hyperbole.

from what i've seen of your political/economic ideals, you always struck me as an individualist/libertarian rather than an anarchist. yes, individualist anarchism exists but it's certainly not what we're talking about here, at least yet.

case in point - your hatred of taxes is predicated on your hatred of the state. but taxes are perfectly compatible with many of anarchism so long as the taxes are agreed upon. furthermore, claiming that taxation is theft or outright coercive places undue importance on the value of currency, which, as an anarchist, should be a means to an end i would imagine, and less so a goal for accumulation.

i am in no way saying that taxation as it exists is a fully good thing, but you are quick to dismiss what has worked in the past and can work again even without a hierarchy or state that 'dictates' taxation. without a full-on gift economy, can you suggest another form of social welfare that is non-coercive and prevents suffering? as someone who prefers a wasteful safety net to no safety net, it's one of my favorite quandaries of anarchist thought. and no, saying that people who can't/won't/don't work should be left to fend for themselves is not an acceptable answer, since we're talking anarchism on a societal level.

as far as anarchist idealism (something i have ruefully put back on the shelf, but still hold dear) ponder this quote:

"It is not for anarchists to celebrate when ‘the people’ take over, anarchists ought not to be so amazed at examples of natural ingenuity and resilience, that is after all what they base all their principles on. Unfortunately their proper political task is less appealing and more controversial, it is to poke their fingers into the wounds of revolution, to doubt and to look for ways in which the Zapatistas, FLN, ANC or any other bunch of leftwing heroes will sell out, because they always do." http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/monsieur-dupont-nihilist-communism

You're making a lot of assumptions here...my ideology is not classical really. I'm a Voluntaryist. I have no problem with anarcho-socialism/syndicalism though, so long as it is voluntary.

I will address your questions via PM; let's not derail this thread anymore.

[kmiller8]

I hate when people say things like "Oh you spent $x on that, I got one for 1/4 $x because I bought it from a friend, haha"

I don't see the point, are you trying to rub it in that you know someone? Do you really need that much attention?

[Halverson]

I hate when people say things like "Oh you spent $x on that, I got one for 1/4 $x because I bought it from a friend, haha"

I don't see the point, are you trying to rub it in that you know someone? Do you really need that much attention?

Oh you hate that? Lawl! I hate that at a 1/4 of the cost! A friend halped me out!

[McWilloughby]

Every time exam season comes round I hate Physics. Graduating had better be worth it..

[SmallFry]

Sinus infections. I have gotten sick more in the last 6 months than in the last 6 years. Ugh.

[lazerpointer]

Sinus infections. I have gotten sick more in the last 6 months than in the last 6 years. Ugh.

I have been dealing with sinusitis for my whole life. I've gone through sinus surgery, turbinate reduction, septum correction, none of it has helped.... I get REALLY bad sinus pressure just under my left eye.... I go through lots of Benadryl and lots of Excedrin.

Make sure you keep your sinuses moisturized. Breath out through your nose as much as possible, and avoid breathing out through your mouth, which wastes the steam in your breath. The moisture in your breath surprisingly is enough to keep the nasal cavities from basically drying up and shrinking, which is what causes the pressure / pain. I only recently made this discovery about a year ago, and I'm 22. I wish I had known about the breathing technique growing up, I could have saved myself plenty of tears / misery.

Only other thing that brings me direct relief is Fluticasone propionate.... What pisses me off is the only way to get some is to go to a doctor, who I have to pay, and waste my time talking to, when I know EXACTLY what I need, and why. Stupid, STUPID American pharmacy laws...

[SmallFry]

Thanks Flip. I'm going to the doctor tonight to get some sinus stuff. The sicknesses in the last 6 months have not been all sinus related, thank God...