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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 14:27:04 »
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 14:31:03 »
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?

Roku + Plex

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 14:39:48 »
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?

Roku + Plex

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 01:39:04 »
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?

Roku + Plex

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now we're talking. thanks for the tip.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 04:15:56 »
tp you forgot to talk about melting psu issues! Never got one?

My advice, if you are doing backups, get something like that
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Lay-Flat-Docking-Station-Supports/dp/B00APP6694/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542847&sr=8-5&keywords=hd+dock+usb+3
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if you have firewire, this one is great (I have one myself since 3 years and counting, one of the most reliable enclosure I got so far)
http://www.amazon.com/Freecom-Hard-Drive-Dock-Quattro/dp/B004BHADPA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542303&sr=8-2&keywords=freecom+dock
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then get quality boxes at a decent price through a great guy
http://www.moddiy.com/products/3.5-Inches-HDD-Protection-Box.html
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forgot the most important advice, then store your hd(s) in a safe place away from kids, animals and your own clumsiness (by far the most important part).
« Last Edit: Fri, 14 August 2015, 04:19:14 by mecano »

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 05:04:39 »
tp you forgot to talk about melting psu issues! Never got one?

My advice, if you are doing backups, get something like that
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Lay-Flat-Docking-Station-Supports/dp/B00APP6694/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542847&sr=8-5&keywords=hd+dock+usb+3
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if you have firewire, this one is great (I have one myself since 3 years and counting, one of the most reliable enclosure I got so far)
http://www.amazon.com/Freecom-Hard-Drive-Dock-Quattro/dp/B004BHADPA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542303&sr=8-2&keywords=freecom+dock
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then get quality boxes at a decent price through a great guy
http://www.moddiy.com/products/3.5-Inches-HDD-Protection-Box.html
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[edit]
forgot the most important advice, then store your hd(s) in a safe place away from kids, animals and your own clumsiness (by far the most important part).

Hrrrrmmmmmmmmm........

I think... But I can't take that station with me easily, I'd need to carry that power supply...

Wait is the power supply to prevent melting psu ?

What is the melting psu issue?.. I've not heard externals melting people's psus.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:14:55 »
Hrrrrmmmmmmmmm........

I think... But I can't take that station with me easily, I'd need to carry that power supply...

Wait is the power supply to prevent melting psu ?

What is the melting psu issue?.. I've not heard externals melting people's psus.

Do you really need to carry all that amount of data around?
You can take a 64Gb or more flash card on the road instead, it's more convenient and you still have your data backups securely at home in case of troubles.
Then it's just a matter of sync strategy.

Wait there seems to be a confusion.
I had a good amount of switching power supplies dying over the years, had two coming along external enclosures which case literally melted.
Some "brands" are not made to be plugged 12h/day 7/7 days. That's what I intended to say. Some other brands are perfectly safe in this regard.


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:16:56 »
Damn I'm so old school :D you're getting power through your USB port of course  :)) nevermind

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 09:04:02 »
Damn I'm so old school :D you're getting power through your USB port of course  :)) nevermind

LOL... yea IN THE DAYs past,  we needed the adapters for larger drives..

This is a 2.5",  so it's usually fine on usb3.0.. on usb 2.0 is where things get dicey.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 09:25:08 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

Somehow I came across this post while looking for info on buying a new harddrive.

let me guess, your data collection isn't a collection of Mao Zedong's speeches. It is basically 50TB of porn.


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 09:38:11 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

Somehow I came across this post while looking for info on buying a new harddrive.

let me guess, your data collection isn't a collection of Mao Zedong's speeches. It is basically 50TB of porn.


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 10:23:47 »

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:16:59 »
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.


Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews..  and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.

WD 4ever.

I've got 6 WD RED NAS drives in mah NAS... been spinning since 2013 24/7... zero failure, and I know coz I do integrity checks so also no bit rot / loss beyond reasonable.

And I use them furiously for series/movies and company backup/data.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:17:37 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

MS, is this you? Pushing telemetry again? NSA has a "backup" for you? WHERE CAN I CALL THEM TO GET IT
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:18:51 »


Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".



I think the CLOUD is a great idea.. honestly I DO..  I WANT IT TO WORK..


However,  the internet in the USA isn't fast enough for this yet..

When we get significant Gigabit coverage,  and the whatever-cloud service can Up/Down @ Gigabit..

I will happily surrender local storage.

I haz 200 down 50 up and I sync everything work-related with cockbox errr dropbox
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:20:00 »
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:

This touches a nerve.. people say "you don't need privacy coz you ain't hiding stuff riiiiiiight".

But simply because I do not act on a right or former privilige means it's ok to remove it?
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:23:40 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.

LALALALALALA.. I don't have a problem...

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Have you ever watched closely at Linux Tech Tips? Their hangar or cargo or whatever that frickin huge building is... it's FULL OF STUFF. Like literally everywhere there is stuff lying around. They are like hoarders because they have sponsors who keep giving them stuff.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 15:04:08 »
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.

Things like these:
https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Portable-External/dp/B06W55K9N6/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2NZFPYPMV7P26&dchild=1&keywords=wd+external+hard+drive&qid=1607547224&sprefix=wd+ex%2Caps%2C188&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyNlZWR0xCOVBRR1NCJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODIzOTYyMjBOVzBRUFRGSzI5QiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTk0ODY5MjMwQkFWNjE2MUZFNCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B07CRG94G3/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=seagate+external+hard+drive&qid=1607547260&sr=8-3


Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.

Also...

DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html

ALSO.. Just buy BARE HARD DRIVES and either find a simple enclosure or get a usb3 to sata adapter (TrippLite makes one that I use a lot). I bet you'll be way happier in the long in the run plus you have gear that you can reuse (instead of a proprietary bull**** adapter that does some silly s**t you didn't care about in the first place).

Even better than a USB adapter:
https://www.cru-inc.com/products/accessories/da3525st/
it's SATA straight through to the drive. Supposed to support hot swaps but I've never tested that particular functionality (even though my MBs have usually supported it, for some reason I just don't have the guts to try... like I'm afraid I'll offend the data gods or something).

Makes backups, data transport, etc about as easy as using a flash drive. I love this thing and I will never buy a pre-packaged BS "Portable External Hard Drive," ever, ever, EVER again.


But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).


Just keep the bare drives in these things:
https://www.cru-inc.com/products/accessories/drivebox/
and bang! They're portable.

The very same boxes (with different branding stickers) are available on Amazon, Ebay, etc. No way you should pay $8 for ONE of these things. Last time I bought these I think I got three for $12.
« Last Edit: Wed, 09 December 2020, 15:12:20 by korrelate »

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 16:56:11 »
I have had one of these for several years and it works great.

Occasionally I wedge a piece of cardboard in there to keep it tight, but no big deal.

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-External-Enclosure-Docking-ST0005U-C/dp/B01GF0OYI2
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 20:54:43 »
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.

Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.
All drive companies short externals, short them on what? Technically they short them on everything. Externals cost about the same as an internal drive, yet require more parts, they do this by shaving cost elsewhere. Is Seagate worse, well they are more prone to damage from vibration but for the most part drive reliability often comes down to the batch and who you ask. I've had good and bad luck with all of them.

So how important is the batch?
When you setup a server you specifically try and use drives from multiple batches to make sure they don't all fail at the same time.

Other important tips...
Don't leave it plugged in.
When you unplug it, unplug the end OPPOSITE the drive and wait for it to stop spinning before you move or disconnect the cable at the drive end.
Use it at least once every few weeks, and make sure it gets warm. This ensures the lube does what it should rather than dry up in a place it's doing nothing.
Do this and they should last a very long time.


DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
Backblaze's duty cycle is not the same as your duty cycle and therefore it's completely useless.

Backblaze loads 50+ drives into a chassis, these all create massive amount of vibration, something non-enterprise drives are not rated for, simply put, this is serious abuse of these drives. Worse still, these drives are then spun up, written with data, then they sit there spinning idle for the rest of their life. They almost never read, they only write and once full they rarely get used again. Does this sound anything like how your drive is treated? No. Enterprise drives specifically list how many drives can be in a single chassis because the vibration is such an issue.  Believe it or not, typing or even loud noise can impact your drives. It's not just a fall that causes problems for it.

So again, don't pay any attention to Backblaze drive reports they're worthless to anyone but Backblaze and they really shouldn't even report them. They do do because it causes people to constantly quote them in threads like this giving them free advertising.

The better drive report to read was a Google report years ago where they determined uncorrected and pending sector counts were the best way to predict failure and vibration was the biggest drive killer on their workstations.

But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).
WD Blacks, initially were little more than a low end enterprise grade drive for consumers.
I believe they've lowered that quality a bit since but they are still very much built to a better standard and are pretty much the only spinner I even like to use these days because they're just that much better. This is typical for lots of things in computers, enterprise laptops tend to survive a lot better as well.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 22:38:23 »
Always suspected vibration being an issue.  put the subwoofer on the other side of the room.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:27:50 »
I mainly use SSD's in external housings if I need a external drive, and for large storage I end up building a rig to work as a file/media storage workhorse server.  That way when I watch movies I don't have to worry about my main rig I work/game on at home going down due to me tinkering and benching, and end up getting a call from a friend or family member as to why their movie cut out at key moments lol.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:31:49 »
I mainly use SSD's in external housings if I need a external drive, and for large storage I end up building a rig to work as a file/media storage workhorse server.  That way when I watch movies I don't have to worry about my main rig I work/game on at home going down due to me tinkering and benching, and end up getting a call from a friend or family member as to why their movie cut out at key moments lol.

Tp4  learned the hardway, do not give friends/familys server access.. They're ignorant and don't truly appreciate the machine.

They're like the karens who never get an oil change and blow up the engines.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 11 December 2020, 11:37:45 »
I can say alot have started to get it, and if it's down means I am working on it - a few I give a heads up as to when and how long it will be down.  My wife I never warn lol.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:05:51 »
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.

Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.
All drive companies short externals, short them on what? Technically they short them on everything. Externals cost about the same as an internal drive, yet require more parts, they do this by shaving cost elsewhere. Is Seagate worse, well they are more prone to damage from vibration but for the most part drive reliability often comes down to the batch and who you ask. I've had good and bad luck with all of them.

So how important is the batch?
When you setup a server you specifically try and use drives from multiple batches to make sure they don't all fail at the same time.

Other important tips...
Don't leave it plugged in.
When you unplug it, unplug the end OPPOSITE the drive and wait for it to stop spinning before you move or disconnect the cable at the drive end.
Use it at least once every few weeks, and make sure it gets warm. This ensures the lube does what it should rather than dry up in a place it's doing nothing.
Do this and they should last a very long time.


DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
Backblaze's duty cycle is not the same as your duty cycle and therefore it's completely useless.

Backblaze loads 50+ drives into a chassis, these all create massive amount of vibration, something non-enterprise drives are not rated for, simply put, this is serious abuse of these drives. Worse still, these drives are then spun up, written with data, then they sit there spinning idle for the rest of their life. They almost never read, they only write and once full they rarely get used again. Does this sound anything like how your drive is treated? No. Enterprise drives specifically list how many drives can be in a single chassis because the vibration is such an issue.  Believe it or not, typing or even loud noise can impact your drives. It's not just a fall that causes problems for it.

So again, don't pay any attention to Backblaze drive reports they're worthless to anyone but Backblaze and they really shouldn't even report them. They do do because it causes people to constantly quote them in threads like this giving them free advertising.

The better drive report to read was a Google report years ago where they determined uncorrected and pending sector counts were the best way to predict failure and vibration was the biggest drive killer on their workstations.

But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).
WD Blacks, initially were little more than a low end enterprise grade drive for consumers.
I believe they've lowered that quality a bit since but they are still very much built to a better standard and are pretty much the only spinner I even like to use these days because they're just that much better. This is typical for lots of things in computers, enterprise laptops tend to survive a lot better as well.

Interesting points to consider. Neat! I hadn't thought about the massive differences between my use case and Blaze's use case.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:18:24 »
As I've read this thread and digested its comestibles (four ounces of Caerphilly, if you please) it seems that the "answer" to the question "How to make external drives not suck" is to buy a proper internal hard drive (preferably an enterprise model) and "externalize" that drive yourself using one or more of the options listed in this thread.

That sound about right?




« Last Edit: Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:49:11 by korrelate »

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:46:08 »
As I've read this thread and digested its comestibles (four ounces of Cearphilly, if you please) it seems that the "answer" to the question "How to make external drives not suck" is to buy a proper internal hard drive (preferably an enterprise model) and "externalize" that drive yourself using one or more of the options listed in this thread.

That sound about right?
It is correct, but make sure the box is either vented or the housing acts as a heatsink, otherwise you can bake the drive.
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w/ Kailh Purple Pros/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 Magnetic cable
| PF65 3d printed 65% w/LCD and hot swap
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Box Jades, Interchangeable trim, mini lcd, QMK, underglow, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, O-rings, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, in progress link
| Magicforce 68
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MF68 pcb, Outemu Blues, in progress
| YMDK75 Jail Housed Gateron Blues
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J-spacers, YMDK Thick PBT, O-rings, SIP sockets
| KBT Race S L.E.
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Ergo Clears, custom WASD caps
| Das Pro
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Costar model with browns
| GH60
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Cherry Blacks, custom 3d printed case
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