Author Topic: Kayliss opened a PayPal dispute (Read 10367 times)

rowdy · « **Reply #50 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 07:13:48 »

Rendom is random

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7bit · « **Reply #51 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 09:03:14 »

@Kayliss:

You did not try to contact me via pm @ Deskthority.
You did not post in the forum.
You did not even cleared your order.
All you did was open a dispute to get the money back. Money that has been sent to the manufacturer, so we can't refund it.

The complete amount of 206.34 EUR has been locked by PayPal because of your dispute.

If you ask for a reason for this thread: To warn others. Some group buys rely 100% on PayPal and if someone goes crazy and files a dispute then the whole thing can get locked for 180 days.

There where at least 2 group buys which had been hugely delayed or killed (Sixty's Vortex RACE group buy) by this.

Kayliss · « **Reply #52 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 09:12:45 »

Are you adressing that to me or a wider audience?

Are you simply trying to get some sympathy?

Quote from: Kayliss on Sat, 01 June 2013, 00:22:25

I had no interest in canceling my order.

Quote from: Kayliss on Sat, 01 June 2013, 00:22:25

I had some issues getting in contact with ... anyone. I won't go into specifics as I don't believe the details of what I needed to discuss are important.

Quote from: Kayliss on Sat, 01 June 2013, 04:36:32

I'd suggest if any more information is required from me that those questions are asked in email by the parties involved. As has been pointed out publicly, they have all my details and my home address.

There was no reason for you to make this thread, atleast none that I can see, not so soon, before the dispute has even been resolved.
I can't tell anymore if you're serious or just making stuff up.

7bit · « **Reply #53 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 09:17:53 »

If you did not want to cancel the order, why did you then file a dispute?

Also, you still refuse to tell me by which means you tried to contact me.

Kayliss · « **Reply #54 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 09:24:06 »

Quote from: Kayliss on Sat, 01 June 2013, 04:36:32

I'd suggest if any more information is required from me that those questions are asked in email by the parties involved. As has been pointed out publicly, they have all my details and my home address.

Please go ahead and read that. Then my other responses. All I am getting from this is that your communication skills are very limited. Please step back, take a breath and think. If you want to discuss anything further it can be done privately.

7bit · « **Reply #55 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 09:27:53 »

Did not yet receive an e-mail or pm or anything that explains your behavior.

I'm sick of people like you. We will decide if we just leave it locked for quite a while or just refund the money.

Good day.

Latin00032 · « **Reply #56 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 09:27:58 »

Keep it private guys. Hopefully, you can come to a positive agreement.

You don't want everyone else on GH to be involved to assume things.

7bit · « **Reply #57 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:16:08 »

Money refunded. Thread can be closed.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #58 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:25:25 »

So... Kayliss was just straight up lying ??

Kayliss · « **Reply #59 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:28:16 »

How did you get to that conclusion?

jdcarpe · « **Reply #60 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:28:22 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:25:25

So... Kayliss was just straight up lying ??

I think we should just stay out of it. It's been resolved, and there's no more need for discussion. It was only really between 7bit, Kayliss, and the Paypal proxy ever, anyway.

/drama

metafour · « **Reply #61 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:31:27 »

But I haven't finished my popcorn...

Kayliss · « **Reply #62 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:32:09 »

tp4tissue · « **Reply #63 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:34:20 »

Well, I'm just worried that if he WAS just completely dishonest, he should be ip-banned from trading, because I would be scared to deal with someone that would lie about something that could take down a huge group buy letting down lots of people over a mere $200 buyers remorse.

Can't the mods just check the PM and time stamps and just let people know?

There' s not a serious privacy concern here, as kayliss was already called-out

Kayliss · « **Reply #64 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:38:35 »

I don't really want to go into it anymore, I mean if you can't read whats already posted then more isn't going to help you. No buyers remorse. A hold was placed on the money not the account. 7bit gave his side. I chose to not go into great detail simply because this thread was pointless. Of course any GB organizer can PM me and ask anything they wish.

Edit: As I said earlier in the thread. I've never had issue with any other GB or private trade. If anyone would care to point out anything related to other GB's i've been involved in please go ahead.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #65 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:40:56 »

Quote from: Kayliss on Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:38:35

I don't really want to go into it anymore, I mean if you can't read whats already posted then more isn't going to help you. No buyers remorse. A hold was placed on the money not the account. 7bit gave his side. I chose to not go into great detail simply because this thread was pointless. Of course any GB organizer can PM me and ask anything they wish.

Hi Kayliss.. I'm refering to the post where you said you PMed 7bit..

then He said , You did not..

Screenshot of timestamped pm.. you can choose not to reveal content.. just the timestamp of pms that were sent when you SAID they were sent...

Kayliss · « **Reply #66 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:42:55 »

He said, she said.

nullstring · « **Reply #67 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:45:06 »

Right, but you're completely refusing to offer any proof in any direction, which makes it much easier to side with 7bit.
Just for reference.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #68 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:47:18 »

Quote from: nullstring on Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:45:06

Right, but you're completely refusing to offer any proof in any direction, which makes it much easier to side with 7bit.
Just for reference.

Exactly, If you lied about one thing.. and a trivial issue at that, it raises the potential that you've been dishonest about the OTHER things you've said.

I don't see how the time-stamp screen shot would be a problem , since you can take one, and we wouldn't see any of the actual messages you wrote, only the time stamp and the recipient.

You've mentioned that you got "good cred" well this is where good cred comes from. screenshots @ native resolution

Don't even contemplate photoshop

, we have experts

Rendom · « **Reply #69 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:50:15 »

It's already resolved? This thread needs to be closed.

Kayliss · « **Reply #70 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:50:42 »

As I said if anyone with a real interest requires 'proof' they can contact me. I am not here to entertain people. It's a private one off matter.

Unfortunately 7bit thought this was a public matter, he put more thought into this thread than any contact with myself privately.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #71 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:51:00 »

Quote from: Rendom on Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:50:15

It's already resolved? This thread needs to be closed.

7bit can close it right? because he started it?

tp4tissue · « **Reply #72 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:53:02 »

Quote from: Kayliss on Sat, 01 June 2013, 11:50:42

As I said if anyone with a real interest requires 'proof' they can contact me. I am not here to entertain people. It's a private one off matter.

Unfortunately 7bit thought this was a public matter, he put more thought into this thread than any contact with myself privately.

There's no such thing as privacy on the internet..

Especially on a forum..

This is a community..

And we have "trust" in the community

Trust in YOU, Kayliss, has been called-on..

Thus by the loose laws of online court, you must post screenshots to defend your honor...

7bit · « **Reply #73 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 12:55:37 »

He complained he can't contact me. But he never came forward with what the real issue was. So, money is refunded.

Kayliss · « **Reply #74 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 13:18:54 »

The invitation for you to contact me in private is still there, 7bit. If you're able to be civil. I understand you'd like to get the last word in here though so please go ahead.

Edit: Changed to something more productive.

metalliqaz · « **Reply #75 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 15:42:57 »

So you ordered something and paid for it. The one and only valid reason to open a dispute would be if you felt that 7bit wouldn't or couldn't deliver what you ordered. Based on the current status of R4, that couldn't be the case since shipping has started but it's still to early to have received anything yet. Given the vague statements earlier in the thread, I'd have to say you did it for spite. I don't do business with Australians anyway because of the postal situation there, but whatever, I have another name for my 'naughty' list...

Ninjerk · « **Reply #76 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 17:12:05 »

I see stuff like this happen all the time on a variety of message boards.

The last time I've ever been really stiffed was years ago, and it changed me in a way. I'm not as charitable with people I don't know.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #77 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 17:26:05 »

Quote from: Ninjerk on Sat, 01 June 2013, 17:12:05

I see stuff like this happen all the time on a variety of message boards.

The last time I've ever been really stiffed was years ago, and it changed me in a way. I'm not as charitable with people I don't know.

Have faith Ninjerk.. Most long time members will not stiff you.. Only the noobers..

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #78 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 18:28:35 »

-Publicly announcing the dispute was wrong by 7bit. Basically creating a 'pre-threadcrap' on GH. 2 sides to the story, and it's no ones biz.

-TP (troll king) keeps egging Kayliss to prove something...sorry TP, that's not how it works. Kayliss is not obligated. It's a private dispute regardless of 7bits attempt to call it out. What's 7bits REAL motivation?

-Someone will buy the extra stuff. People always do. No biggie.

-Not directly related but 7bits Group 4 buy is dragging on for YEARS...a good example of NOT how to do a group buy. WAY too big, WAY too much profit, WAY too long, WAY too complex. I doubt it will ever be WAY complete. There's a Harvard study using it as an example. LOL

-Disputes happen, they don't have to be the END OF EVERYTHING. There's usually a solution, albeit someone may not be 100% happy. But 85% happy is good enough, then we all move on to the next great thing. Look at couples...they have disputes all the time yet they still hop in bed together at night.

Close this thread. Serves no purpose, never did.

If this thread stays open, I'll ramp up and start shooting everything down. Y'all remember how well THAT used to go.

tp4tissue · « **Reply #79 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 18:39:25 »

His trade reputation is at stake..

It's not about obligation..

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #80 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 18:50:43 »

He knows what he's doing. If he feels the need, he'll do what he thinks is best for him.

Contact him via pm. Don't trash/threaten him in the forums. It debases us all.

orlando · « **Reply #81 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 19:04:04 »

On another note ... what switches did he buy? I might be interested

tp4tissue · « **Reply #82 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 19:09:30 »

Quote from: Input Nirvana on Sat, 01 June 2013, 18:50:43

He knows what he's doing. If he feels the need, he'll do what he thinks is best for him.

Contact him via pm. Don't trash/threaten him in the forums. It debases us all.

where did I trash him.. I've yet to say one mean thing.

Input Nirvana · « **Reply #83 on:** Sat, 01 June 2013, 19:29:26 »

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 June 2013, 19:09:30

Quote from: Input Nirvana on Sat, 01 June 2013, 18:50:43
He knows what he's doing. If he feels the need, he'll do what he thinks is best for him.

Contact him via pm. Don't trash/threaten him in the forums. It debases us all.

where did I trash him.. I've yet to say one mean thing.

You need me to say it?
You keep challenging him and putting him in a negative light as though he's done something wrong and needs to defend himself. Stop the drama. It's no one's concern but theirs and it's settled. No matter the details of who said what or ratings, etc. Stay out of it, let them do what they choose to do or not.

It's over, nothing to see, there never was.

I'm not posting in this thread anymore, it's all been said and is a closed issue. Anything further is of no consequence.

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Author Topic: Kayliss opened a PayPal dispute (Read 10367 times)