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Title: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 December 2024, 10:57:40
Tp4 is official  UN-recommending the 7600x3d.

Devs have fully adapted to 8-core.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 19 December 2024, 03:45:05
Still a good CPU and a good way to get into AM5 as opposed to going with AM4 or Intel.

You get decreased benefits the higher cores you get.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 December 2024, 07:21:42
Older titles might do alright, but 9700 is a better stop gap than 7600x3d, unless someone has very specific games that are known to leverage x3d to great effect.

On some modern titles, the loss of 2 cores is far more detrimental than the gains from x3d though.  This is really just the result of developers being lazy. But we can't stop that.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 December 2024, 12:13:21
People don't understand the 4090 is only 22% faster than a 7900xtx at 300% the cost.  The Ray tracing performance is Abysmal, the shadows/ reflections look grainy and noisy. Ray tracing is still pretty much an unusable function outside of 1080p.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 December 2024, 20:40:31
120fps is the minimum gaming framerate. 60hz is flat out unplayable outside of turnplay/4X games.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 26 December 2024, 03:38:12
120fps is the minimum gaming framerate. 60hz is flat out unplayable outside of turnplay/4X games.

You're spoiled, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 26 December 2024, 04:08:31
You're spoiled, plain and simple.


..proclaims LLann while playing her 7800x3d borderlands @ 300+ fps
  :p
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 26 December 2024, 17:38:32
I'm planning to get 5070 FE when it comes out, to retire my 3070 FE.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 26 December 2024, 18:07:06
I'm planning to get 5070 FE when it comes out, to retire my 3070 FE.

NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 27 December 2024, 03:25:06
You're spoiled, plain and simple.


..proclaims LLann while playing her 7800x3d borderlands @ 300+ fps
  :p
@ 60hz
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 December 2024, 10:00:45
@ 60hz

240hz 4K oled soon ?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Fri, 27 December 2024, 15:38:46
my pc is finally starting to show its age a little on marvel rivals, I'm only getting 70-80fps during the action in the game, 4k low settings. setup still remains the same as it did since 2021 or so, a 5900x 6900xt pc and an LG C2. the setup holds up pretty well in most games but think marvel rivals is the first competitive title where I need the frames and it's not putting up a full 120fps. I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet (minus the coil whine on mine  :-\). My next refresh would likely involve the 4080, but I'd probably only pick one up for an insane steal, otherwise I just don't need it yet for another while. recently found a GPX 2 locally for cheap so have been using that and been really happy with it. I still think the viper v3 pro is even nicer but they're really pricey, even used.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 December 2024, 18:05:16
I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet

Sniping is a bot, Tp4, an owner of 6950xt,  it's none of those descriptors, and could never be mistaken as such. :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 December 2024, 20:35:34
Kinda of a Ripoff situation. Input lag goes way up when the GPU approaches 90%+ utilization.

So essentially, to achieve lowest average input latency 70-80% utilization is the maximum.

Sacrifice 20-30% of your GPU. That's not alot of GPU left for "most" GPUs.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Sat, 28 December 2024, 17:51:51
I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet

Sniping is a bot, Tp4, an owner of 6950xt,  it's none of those descriptors, and could never be mistaken as such. :D

damn you don't agree? it's around 300w under load and its quite quiet. i remember reading some reviews in the past that basically say the same kind of thing: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt/33.html
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 December 2024, 19:52:11
I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet

Sniping is a bot, Tp4, an owner of 6950xt,  it's none of those descriptors, and could never be mistaken as such. :D

damn you don't agree? it's around 300w under load and its quite quiet. i remember reading some reviews in the past that basically say the same kind of thing: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt/33.html

TIL, 300watt isn't alot of power to young people. The card also has 600watt peaks, 400 watt sustained if you got AIB verisons.

Supr-Nintendi, 17watts peak rated.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 December 2024, 22:31:32
The perfect armored core GPU would be able to render this 8K screenshot quality at 120fps.

Approximately requiring 1.1*4*4090gpu.

33.18 Megapixels.  :cool:


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sun, 29 December 2024, 10:13:18
I'm planning to get 5070 FE when it comes out, to retire my 3070 FE.

NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

why not tp? phinix no like AMD, phinix prefers green, but its so expensive.. can only go xx70 cards now.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 December 2024, 10:51:51
why not tp? phinix no like AMD, phinix prefers green, but its so expensive.. can only go xx70 cards now.

Society mustn't endorse the disgraceful gatekeeping of Ngreedia.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 December 2024, 15:08:17
Last one Tp4's going to buy, Tp4 swears it.

For the price of a single 4090, Tp4 now haz 2x 7900xtx for upstairs + downstairs.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sun, 29 December 2024, 15:54:40
Last one Tp4's going to buy, Tp4 swears it.

For the price of a single 4090, Tp4 now haz 2x 7900xtx for upstairs + downstairs.


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Nice :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 December 2024, 18:17:30
This card is only 6% faster than Tp4's Sapphire Pulse 7900xtx.  Efficiency is technically horrible, but it does clock faster. LOL.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 December 2024, 19:28:17
It's pretty cool we can now play marvel vs capcom 3, @ 7840x4380 w/ 4xSSAA @ 120fps on a 7900xtx, so it's internally rendering at 16K, 15680x8760 @ 120fps.

A 4090, might be able to do 8xSSAA, but probably not.

Tp4 is going to miss living on a viable planet earth. Humanity would go so much further, if not for the hamburgers, sigh.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 30 December 2024, 10:30:07
Tp4 always feels bad for the motherboard chipset.

Modern GPUs blows hot air directly on them.

>photo, Tp4's

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>photo, not Tp4's


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 30 December 2024, 17:33:31
Tp4 always feels bad for the motherboard chipset.

Modern GPUs blows hot air directly on them.

>photo, Tp4's

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>photo, not Tp4's


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I remember the days when we had active coolers on them.. North chip, south chip...
phinix used to mount cool Zalman blue heatsinks on those :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 30 December 2024, 19:31:05
Iconic

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 31 December 2024, 09:20:23
Iconic

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Yep:)
This one was an updated version of that vertical one. This fan shaped heatsink was so good, I remember it dropped north bridge chip temps like in half.
Also, during those times, Zalman round and TT Orb cpu coolers were popular. liked them too.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 31 December 2024, 14:09:53
The cpu orb only cooled slightly better than the stock cooler because it was bigger.

The chipset orb was pretty good but hit or miss in terms of fitting the mobo.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 31 December 2024, 15:04:44
Overwatch, you can turn on 8K rendering equivalent to 4xssaa of 4K, turn on their SMAA,

And you'll still see aliasing. Look at the middle of screen, where the floor tiles are.  >:D >:D

Turns out, this game won't render past 4K, so the render scale doesn't work right.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 January 2025, 20:20:28
Microsoft forcing people to update to windows 11, 24H2 build to get the most fps on that new amd cpu scheduler.

 >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 06 January 2025, 03:37:49
Microsoft forcing people to update to windows 11, 24H2 build to get the most fps on that new amd cpu scheduler.

 >:D >:D >:D >:D

Really? So I cannot keep 10?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 06 January 2025, 05:42:28
Really? So I cannot keep 10?
You can, with some caveats.
Some people will tell you that you can use whatever OS you want as long as you want but the truth is you're not as in control of what OS you use as much they think. At some point support ends, new features start becoming an issue and new hardware lacks drivers. This was less an issue pre-internet but these days you need to stay at least somewhat up to date.

Anyhow, MS wants $25 a year (per system) to keep getting updates, though that may be only for businesses.

If you don't care about updates you can keep using it and you'll probably fine for a year or two, just don't count on Defender. After that threats will start to build up and you will spend more and more time fighting threats. Also driver support will start to wane, give it 5 years and you'll probably start to really feel the strain as you struggle to update hardware. At some point after that you'll struggle to find a good browser. However, all of this ignores Win12, once that drops you're going to be pushed out faster and faster as companies hate having to maintain so many drivers.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 06 January 2025, 07:46:19
Really? So I cannot keep 10?
You can, with some caveats.
Some people will tell you that you can use whatever OS you want as long as you want but the truth is you're not as in control of what OS you use as much they think. At some point support ends, new features start becoming an issue and new hardware lacks drivers. This was less an issue pre-internet but these days you need to stay at least somewhat up to date.

Anyhow, MS wants $25 a year (per system) to keep getting updates, though that may be only for businesses.

If you don't care about updates you can keep using it and you'll probably fine for a year or two, just don't count on Defender. After that threats will start to build up and you will spend more and more time fighting threats. Also driver support will start to wane, give it 5 years and you'll probably start to really feel the strain as you struggle to update hardware. At some point after that you'll struggle to find a good browser. However, all of this ignores Win12, once that drops you're going to be pushed out faster and faster as companies hate having to maintain so many drivers.

What would be the best choice nowadays to buy OS, if I have to now? And what source?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 January 2025, 08:51:07
People like Tp4 with zero-self-control should NOT go to dat mic0(entare..

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 January 2025, 09:29:06
Microsoft forcing people to update to windows 11, 24H2 build to get the most fps on that new amd cpu scheduler.

 >:D >:D >:D >:D

Really? So I cannot keep 10?

Not if you want dat latest amd scheduler gaming performance. Intel can stay on win10.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 January 2025, 13:14:52
Motherboard vendors do not take SSD Cooling seriously.

They almost universally put no supports under the SSD, which means whatever cover heatsink they give you, will BEND the ssd downwards and create a pressure void in the middle as it bananas down.

The only way to fix this is to have 2 soft silicone posts in 1/3 length of the ssd to keep it from banana-ing.


(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 January 2025, 22:44:28
@ 430watts the GPU dumping heat increases the upper ssd temp by 11 c, lower ssd by 12 c, chipset by 7 c .

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 07 January 2025, 03:36:59
Jensen showed us good stuff, 5070 for $549, yep, one will go to me :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 07 January 2025, 03:55:32
What would be the best choice nowadays to buy OS, if I have to now? And what source?
As always you really only have 3(?) choices:
Windows 11 - If you need Windows this is where you need to go no matter how bad it is unless you want to tough it out until 12. keep in mind there is no guarantee 12 will be anytime soon or even an improvement and for every step forward Microsoft makes they take 2 steps back in terms for privacy, repairability and usability. And no, I do not subscribe to the every other version theory about how every other version is good/bad.

Mac - if you need or want Mac. Mac has its good and bad points but if you're leaving one walled garden why go behind an even taller wall and smaller garden. Keep in mind that Apple really controls when you upgrade, not just software, but also hardware and they can be rather brutal about it. They care very little about backwards compatibility, something Windows users are used to. You can still get Windows 10 (and a lesser extent 11) running on some VERY old devices, not so with Mac. Also,  Apple, like Microsoft is not your friend. They may play the privacy game better but it's not all rainbows as Apple users think it is.

Linux - pick a distro (or variant), for someone new I'd recommend Linux Mint for the first year or so, then re-evaluate each year. SteamOS is coming and will be great for new converts but for now the best distro depends on the person and use case though once you learn enough the distro becomes less of an issue and just a preference. Download Virtualbox and install it there until you get the hang of it a bit, there is a learning curve and what you know about Windows can both help and hurt you. Remember this is a different operating system, NOT a Windows replacement, so you will need to re-learn how to do a lot of things and accept that you may not be able to do all the same things, although those things are shrinking and a LOT of people now use it (30% growth in 2-3 years, for about 3% market share). It's still got a lot of catching up but it is catching up to Mac and SteamOS will very likely push it past that goalpost at some point in the near future. Will it catch Windows on the desktop, probably not any time soon (Windows is too entrenched in the office) but it could take over a lot of gaming machines. Linux gives a lot of freedom but it comes at the cost of too many yet too few choices and a somewhat steep learning curve.

Wild card
IOS - Apple is really trying to push this as a desktop OS and push Mac out/towards professionals. Personally I hate this idea but Apple really is pushing this to those who grew up in front of Ipads. Every year I wonder how much time Mac has left to live. Keep in mind that like Mac systems, IOS devices typically live longer than a Windows OS, once they get phased out they really become almost useless.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 January 2025, 03:55:37
Tp4 very skeptical of the claims.

The slides compare "DLSS + RT" performance. Which might be an attempt to hide that the raster isn't up-ed by much.


The other thing is, if you look at their slide, 29fps 73ms latency to 245 fps 34ms latency w/ dlss4.

34ms of latency. 

So their performance claim is really mostly Interpolation.  What they've done mainly is relying further on the interpolation engine to make the frame counter higher.   But there's no reduction in input latency from dlss 2 to 4.

Interpolation is fine, but if you still feel the input lag, what's the point of having 245 fps.  Trading input for smoother blur.


For example, Play a game at 60fps, then at 120 fps. the visual smoothness is better, but ALSO, the tightness of the control.

Play a game at 60fps, Frame-gened up to 120fps, yea the panning looks smoother, but it still PLAYS like 60fps. You can feel the chugging when you try to move.  The interpolation also adds latency of its own, on top of reducing image quality.


The 5070 sounds like it's probably only 10-20% faster than 4070 raster.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 07 January 2025, 03:57:09
5070 for $549
Good luck with that.
You'll fight scalpers at launch and shortly after (probably) tariffs.

So expect closer to $900.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 07 January 2025, 05:27:35
5070 for $549
Good luck with that.
You'll fight scalpers at launch and shortly after (probably) tariffs.

So expect closer to $900.

I'll try to hunt one down at the start. I did that with 1080Ti, 3070, but I now, it may be hard...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 January 2025, 10:41:30
5070 for $549
Good luck with that.
You'll fight scalpers at launch and shortly after (probably) tariffs.

So expect closer to $900.

Tp4 has hurd at least 20% tariff is a done deal at this point.

Tp4 is not convinced 5070 offers enuff perf0man(e for general use.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 07 January 2025, 10:58:13

at least 20% tariff is a done deal at this point.


No amount of screaming in pain from the American public will have any consequence.

Once enshrined in orifice, Republicans will be free to inflict any policy they dream up with impunity.

Plus, once Drumpf has passed his final "use by" date, James Donald Bowman aka James David Hamel aka JDVance is waiting to begin it afresh.

And MAGA is heavily armed and eager to use up the ammunition that they have stockpiled - especially against the people who are trying to help them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 January 2025, 11:40:18
Tp4 ranks 7th 7900xtx score on Passmark.  LOL, kinda cuz no one uses passmark anymore. If you count people making multiple submissions, Tp4 technically has the 4th fastest 79xtx. Most of those high scores are all 1 guy.

Passmark is so problematic nowadays, you have to set amd settings for Vsync off in the main driver, otherwise for whatever reason, it's going to limit the framerate on even if technically the framerates are above your refreshrate. Weird, Makes no sense. For example, if Tp4 doesn't set vsync off, gets 180 in the dx12 test, set vsync off gets 293, the refreshrate is 144.

And the CPU makes a big difference in the dx9,10,11 tests, which also makes this benchmark kind of inaccurate.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Tue, 07 January 2025, 12:14:22
@Tp4, at what price point or situation to people reject modern PC gaming (the upgrade cycle) and scale back to just playing ROMs on emulators? I recently have been archiving some content I feel that needs to be saved because I fear that the way game distribution/licensing rights, etc are going we won't have access to these games. Doubly so for games that artificially tethered to the dev's servers. Ubisoft's CEO is already trying to shift the market into leasing games only and getting gamers "comfortable" with not owning their games. The industry is moving to make sure you never own the game and even if you do, they control how or if you can play it.

Right now you can build a Mini ITX pc with a Ryzen 5700g and it would play upscaled versions of the PS2/Gamecube generation of games at a consistent 60hz. The idea of creating a forever console running emulators on Linux has been very tempting.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 January 2025, 15:39:24
Gaming hasn't changed much since back in our day, we're all essentially playing reskinned-SAME-games from 40 years ago.

I don't think the upgrade cycle will be rejected. There's simply nothing else you can put "disposable income" into. What would you buy? The entertainment value of $2000 a year from video games is still far more than say, a 1-2 week cruise.

The poorer among us won't even have that much, might be around $300-800.

The only "challenge" to the video game industry might be the uprise in cam-e-girl services, and AI driven e-girls. This is a major new money sink for the traditionally lonely gamer nerds.

Tp4 is among the few Older gen Hardened Gamer #Roneries who would never trade GPU-money for E-girls, or even real-girls.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 07 January 2025, 20:30:12
Games. Never understood 'em

I find a couple of rounds of Solataire to be relaxing - occasionally - but the last thing I want to do is get my blood pressure and cortisol levels up and wasting my time by competing with a computer that I spent good money on making fast and efficient.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 08 January 2025, 03:39:28
I don't think the upgrade cycle will be rejected.
People will wait, especially now that hardware is so good.

The biggest threat to low end PC gaming is consoles.
Specifically Nintendo.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 08 January 2025, 05:41:54
...or even real-girls.

That made me laugh, tp, good one :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 08 January 2025, 08:51:55

or even real-girls


That made me laugh, tp


This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 08 January 2025, 09:05:54

or even real-girls


That made me laugh, tp


This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"

Yeah, I remember, haha! :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 January 2025, 09:09:32

or even real-girls


That made me laugh, tp


This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"

Yeah, I remember, haha! :D


Come on guys, that IS mid-tier in developed cities, you can't compare rural with urban, the prices are different..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 January 2025, 10:46:46
Tp4 looks up 10gbit router prices in 2024.

/Foams@mouth.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 08 January 2025, 18:04:51

or even real-girls


That made me laugh, tp


This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"

Yeah, I remember, haha! :D


Come on guys, that IS mid-tier in developed cities, you can't compare rural with urban, the prices are different..


tp got dat affluenza
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 08 January 2025, 18:14:44
Decided that I needed to clean house on my computer and reinstall a fresh new OS, as I do about every 3-5 years. So my new Samsung 990 EVO Plus just arrived. I figure that will be enough to see me through the next few years, and $87 delivered to my front door seemed like a fair price.

Now I have to summon the courage and energy to do it ....

I generally keep all my old drives as backups anyway.
 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 January 2025, 18:17:49
Windoz elleben 24h2 g4mn' performance is pretty gud'.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 January 2025, 11:14:17
The Indiana Jones game. Yea the graphics look great. It's a sight seeing game. Odd specular aliasing flickers, other than that, pretty much perfect.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 09 January 2025, 16:51:52
The Indiana Jones game. Yea the graphics look great. It's a sight seeing game. Odd specular aliasing flickers, other than that, pretty much perfect.

Cool, I'm going to play that once I get 5070 :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 January 2025, 09:11:51
Apparently people actually do buy Windows like this.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Fri, 10 January 2025, 12:53:59
tp getting into sim racing?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 January 2025, 15:03:16
Not tp's, just foto from internet.  Tp4 never knew who bought those little windows boxes, apparently they're out there.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Fri, 10 January 2025, 21:17:52
FlareX ram isn’t something I’ve seen in a long time. That was THE kit back during ryzen 1000/2000. I assume everyone kinda popped over to crucial.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 10 January 2025, 22:14:05
An acquaintance of mine just picked up what looks to be an unused boxed Voodoo 3 card at a yard sale for $15
I am so beyond jealous. Got some sweet Roland speakers too.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 January 2025, 09:42:15
Flarex is the default for microcenter bundles.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 11 January 2025, 09:52:54
An acquaintance of mine just picked up what looks to be an unused boxed Voodoo 3 card at a yard sale for $15
I am so beyond jealous. Got some sweet Roland speakers too.

Oh, sounds good. Roland speakers are also amazing.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 January 2025, 11:16:34
GPU @ 430watt sustained,

Top ssd slot, Above GPU, 36 C goes to 49 C

Middle slot, @ exactly GPU heatsink lvl, 30 C goes to 44 C


This could in theory cause problems nearing the SSD's TBW limit.  They're specced for data retention for 1 year @ 40C.

We'd be literally cooking the data out of the SSDs.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 January 2025, 11:53:04
Ok,   in order to use VRR, you have to

- Turn VRR on, on tv and in drivers,
- vsync OFF in the Game's own settings,
- Limit game framerate with RTSS to 141 or 142
- Force vsync ON in DRIVERS (both nvidia/amd),  hn? what?

If the vsync isn't forced on in driver, the tv will not properly push the scan line off the screen, you will see it near the bottom.

This makes no sense, totally not intuitive, probably 99% of gamers don't even have their VRR setup properly, how could they POSSIBLY-guess that this is how it's supposed to work ?

Tp4 just tested this, the procedure is correct.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 January 2025, 21:07:42
You know, AIO kind of feels like the incandescent light bulb at this point in time.

- 99% of workloads won't use the capacity,
- costs more to manufacture,
- has slightly more noise in quiet rooms,
- is less durable,
- provides no additional performance uplift in gaming.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 12 January 2025, 12:34:13
Vertical GPU mounting.

Thoughts.. ?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 12 January 2025, 14:40:01
This is the kind of computer that is ruining people's lives.

9800x3d + 4060ti.

The performance is Terrible.  They should've gotten Used 7700/7700x for $150, used mobo $100, Take the $350 add to gpu, $750, that's a 7900xtx or 4070ti (sale).  Obviously take the 7900xtx.  But if they're sheep, they're still way better off with 4070ti.

Roughly DOUBLES the performance for the same price w/ 70ti,  2.5x w/ 79xtx.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Sun, 12 January 2025, 15:54:06
Vertical GPU mounting.

Thoughts.. ?


With GPUs being as heavy as they are, and with PC cases being increasingly ornamental, yes. It is realistically the best choice. I'd love to see a redesign of the GPU form factor for a better mounting location. Even as something as minimal as a additional mounting locations for the GPU instead of just the PCI slot and the 2-3 screws that hold the GPU to the rear of the case. Something like an additional B bracket on the back side of the PCB of the GPU to mount to the motherboard.

The other thing I saw recently was a case  (https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1bhu501/a_98l_case_built_around_a_single_gpu_asus_proart/#lightbox)where the GPU's "face" was flush with the exterior allowing it to intake 100% ambient air. The lack of filtering mesh would cause an issue downstream, but I love the concept.

Used hardware will always have greater buying power, but I would never buy used hardware unless it was from someone I personally know.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 12 January 2025, 19:55:45
Latest Rumors.  Priced to be $480 vs $550 for 5070.

Tp4 believes this is not the right price for AMD, they should be running $400.  BE DISTINCT, make a statement. No one is going to be impressed by $70 off the-ngreedia price of the 5070.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 12 January 2025, 20:47:08
Why are pcie risers so expensive?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 13 January 2025, 01:43:21
Latest Rumors.  Priced to be $480 vs $550 for 5070.

Tp4 believes this is not the right price for AMD, they should be running $400.  BE DISTINCT, make a statement. No one is going to be impressed by $70 off the-ngreedia price of the 5070.


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I dont know.. I still feel like I prefer 5070. its hard to switch to red after 35 years being with green.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 13 January 2025, 01:44:31
Why are pcie risers so expensive?

If you are for one, make sure you get high quality piece. This is one of those items you dont want to save money on.
I always wondered that too - its just a socket on small pcb with lots of wires.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 January 2025, 11:38:05
People need to stop buying the 9800x3d.  The inflated price is egregious.

It's an enormous waste of money.  A 7700 for $167 off aliexpress will give you 92-95% the gaming performance outside of esports titles. The difference of $300-350 on GPU far outweighs the benefit of x3d.

Outside of wealthy individuals, used 7700 all the way.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 14 January 2025, 10:31:00
Vertical GPU mounting.

Thoughts.. ?

Good in a sense for structure, but there's other ways to solve that and is a manufacturer problem that is not insurmountable. My 9700 came with a support rod which works well (when it fits) but they should be designing support in to the cards themselves. There's plenty of room under the plastic.

As for why vertical isn't the solution, besides putting the fans up against the window on most cases (or mesh which generates more noise than the fans), you need a riser cables which move the card further and further from the cpu and memory. This creates more opportunities for cross-talk and timing problems and is one of the reasons Apple silicone is so darn fast. It's why the memory timing was moved onto cpus, it's why Dell invented the new laptop memory standard... Don't forget you need to carry voltage over it as well.

Why are pcie risers so expensive?
For the reasons above, you need to insulate it better to avoid problems with cross-talk and voltage degradation and pray it doesn't mess too much with timing. This is why gen 4 (and 5) risers are so fickle.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 14 January 2025, 10:47:45
Tp4 considering the new lian li sup 01 case.  It uses a long riser to move the gpu to the front.  Bad idea?

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 14 January 2025, 11:19:41
Tp4 considering the new lian li sup 01 case.  It uses a long riser to move the gpu to the front.  Bad idea?
Oh Joy, more noise!
Yes, bad idea. It may work, it also may experience issues now and then. Is it a game issue, driver issues, OS issue, or timing issue? You may never know.


Nice looking case but they made some strange design decisions.
One thing that always gets me about these sideways cases, they never make any effort to to hide the cables in back? It's like once outside the case it's no longer their concern.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 14 January 2025, 11:22:27
The thing is, the 430 watt gpus these days hots up the motherboard/ssd/pch fiercely.

Tp4 has always been befuddled with this problem, and there weren't many good solutions other than water blocks. This new case is the only way to solve it cheaply.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Tue, 14 January 2025, 11:28:51
The only case that does that well is that $500 ProArt case. I think having a standardization of exposed GPU faces to allow the GPU to grab ambient air is the solution. It offers additional mounting points from the GPU to the chassis as well.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 January 2025, 07:37:18
Bought this monstrosity. Arriving today, Hope it works.

It's the only option that keeps the pcie short, and is reasonably priced "considering" you get the bracket and the riser which sell for $30 alone.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 January 2025, 07:45:38
There was this other one, but Tp4 thought about it, if you tilt the gpu back, you'd get that 450watt hot air right into the cpu cooler/vrm/ram area.

Don't see how that makes sense performance wise, that hot hair dryer is already the problem, and now you've pointed it at exactly the wrong spot.

Agree it kinda looks cool.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 January 2025, 11:52:45
Didn't work, sigh.. Went from hotting up the SSD to hotting up the CPU, because the 450watt air stream now points directly at the big cpu heatsink.

This would probably work ok with AIOs, but in this case, no bueno with air cooled cpu.
:'(
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 January 2025, 15:38:12
Tp4, why you so poor, stop all this jank, and just buy alienwares like the cool kids.

Hahahahaha. Utilizing Tp4's poortitude. Fully external gpu.

Modified the bracket, 3x m4 bolts, onto an older case edge.

The bracket is attached to a piece of plywood with 2 screws and the other end is ziptied. COULD bolt it there too, but it's really hard to get pliers behind the u shaped strut in the middle.

4 Celcius drop on gpu edge temp + hotspot temp.

SSD no longer heats up to 51 C slot1, 45 C slot2. Stays completely cool at 35/29 C



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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Thu, 16 January 2025, 16:03:10
That's a lot of hard drives TP4, what perchance is filling that many drives  ;)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 January 2025, 16:22:57
That's a lot of hard drives TP4, what perchance is filling that many drives  ;)

Lies, all lies. Those are not harddrives.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 16 January 2025, 17:04:52
Why bother with an enclosure at all?
If you live alone and don't entertain, then just let them live free out in the open.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 January 2025, 18:28:49
The test bench frames cost more than cases, but in general you need to move things around in one piece even for cleaning.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 17 January 2025, 05:38:37
That's a lot of hard drives TP4, what perchance is filling that many drives  ;)

Loads of uncompressed 4K blueray movies downloaded from PB :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 17 January 2025, 20:57:00
I think having a standardization of exposed GPU faces to allow the GPU to grab ambient air is the solution.
That was how the NCase N1 works, except it's sucking from underneath, giving a buffer on the noise compared to sucking from the front and it didn't require any extension or anything.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 18 January 2025, 05:12:19
I dont like this whole frame generation feature - so actual chip cannot be any faster now, so they create algorithms to generate following frames artificialy?
Even that quality setting looked weird for me when played CP2077.
Is FSR = DLSS on red side?

I'm planning to buy 5070 to replace my 3070, which should be around 45-50% increase from my card, but overall I feel cheated by nvidia by selling me card with 15-20% increase against prev generation 4xxx :(
I dont know what to do. I know its not out yet, but rumors tell almost 100% truth, so I know I must upgrade now, but 5070 or that 9070xt is my only choice in price range I can afford.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 January 2025, 08:20:04
I dont know what to do. I know its not out yet, but rumors tell almost 100% truth, so I know I must upgrade now, but 5070 or that 9070xt is my only choice in price range I can afford.

You can afford m0ar Gpu phinix, wifu and kiz can eat less expensive food. Put them on the Tp4 GPU Saver's diet, rice beans cabbage potato.
  ;)

Frame generation, it's so-so, for games where you don't really care about input latency, it's fine. Anything else, 120fps native is the bare minimum.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 18 January 2025, 09:41:16
I dont know what to do. I know its not out yet, but rumors tell almost 100% truth, so I know I must upgrade now, but 5070 or that 9070xt is my only choice in price range I can afford.

You can afford m0ar Gpu phinix, wifu and kiz can eat less expensive food. Put them on the Tp4 GPU Saver's diet, rice beans cabbage potato.
  ;)

Frame generation, it's so-so, for games where you don't really care about input latency, it's fine. Anything else, 120fps native is the bare minimum.


I'm happy when I get 40+ fps.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 January 2025, 09:45:56
I'm happy when I get 40+ fps.

Phinix never left the Y2K. We like it there, that's where the heart is.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Sat, 18 January 2025, 11:07:37
I am somewhere in the middle. I want more than 60hz, shooting for 90, but won't turn town settings to get from 90 to 120. 3440x1440 is rather demanding on newer titles and I can't justify a new GPU for at least another 2-3 cycles.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 January 2025, 11:48:57
I am somewhere in the middle. I want more than 60hz, shooting for 90, but won't turn town settings to get from 90 to 120. 3440x1440 is rather demanding on newer titles and I can't justify a new GPU for at least another 2-3 cycles.

That's because you haven't yet seen 5090 do the thing.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Sat, 18 January 2025, 13:01:14
I am somewhere in the middle. I want more than 60hz, shooting for 90, but won't turn town settings to get from 90 to 120. 3440x1440 is rather demanding on newer titles and I can't justify a new GPU for at least another 2-3 cycles.

That's because you haven't yet seen 5090 do the thing.


Can’t jones for heroin if you never shoot up in the first place.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 January 2025, 13:12:13
Can’t jones for heroin if you never shoot up in the first place.

That's good policy.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 January 2025, 14:00:29
8K is a massive waste. But its anti-aliasing capacity is impressive.

Old games, 7680x4320 + 8xssaa. Almost 22K, 21722.3 x 12218.8

The screenshot is 8K, gives scale of how many pixels are rendered. Detail you absolutely CAN NOT SEE, especially if the picture is moving. The textures are a hair sharper too, but it's all a blur if it moves. Bottom right is 4K+8xssaa.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 January 2025, 21:57:28
Tp4's TV supports 4K 144hz, but it won't support 720p 144hz.

Awesome super design.  :thumb: Top notch engineering going on here.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 January 2025, 22:12:54
Sega rally revo, some guy from 14 years ago, track time, 2:57:25, on a potato 640x480 barely 60fps.

Tp4, 7900xtx, 1000+ fps, track time, 2:59:67.  Losing by 2/3 second per lap, of 3 laps.

Hardware doesn't make you a better g4m3r.  :'(

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 19 January 2025, 09:43:29
Interesting, pushing a game through a software sound processor will throttle the game.

Don't think it's cpu related, but it might be.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 19 January 2025, 21:28:36
Ordered a 75" QM7 for the other room, it's on sale right now.

Excited. Haven't watched an LCD in a while. Considered the QM8 65 which is the same price, but can't go back to 65" after 77", which isn't very big at all.

Yes the QM8 has double the brightness and more dimming zones. But based on Tp4's experience with LCDs, brightness is a double edge sword due to leakage.

It's not just dimming zones, because lcds have off axis light leakage, there's gamma lift and color washout. The m0ar super power LEDs you drive behind there, the worse that wash out.


So in reality, even if you don't tonemap exactly to xxxx nits,  LESS will look better most of the time due to the preservation of saturation (color pop).

Hisense in Tp4's opinion does color preservation the best this generation of Tvs outside of Sony, but they're not on sale, so... TCL.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 20 January 2025, 05:09:44
Ordered a 75" QM7 for the other room, it's on sale right now.

Excited. Haven't watched an LCD in a while. Considered the QM8 65 which is the same price, but can't go back to 65" after 77", which isn't very big at all.

Yes the QM8 has double the brightness and more dimming zones. But based on Tp4's experience with LCDs, brightness is a double edge sword due to leakage.

It's not just dimming zones, because lcds have off axis light leakage, there's gamma lift and color washout. The m0ar super power LEDs you drive behind there, the worse that wash out.


So in reality, even if you don't tonemap exactly to xxxx nits,  LESS will look better most of the time due to the preservation of saturation (color pop).

Hisense in Tp4's opinion does color preservation the best this generation of Tvs outside of Sony, but they're not on sale, so... TCL.



You dont like Samsung TVs?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 20 January 2025, 05:11:54
I dont understadn why nowadays people keep recommending high power CPUs for gaming - when you play 4K with decent GPU card, you can run it with i3 CPU and get lets say 60fps, when using i9, you would gain maybe 8fps, but cost is like 5x. I noticed it maybe 5 years ago and keep using 4 core i3, which is fine.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 20 January 2025, 08:00:02
At 4K you can get away with cheaper cpus. But at 1440p games are pushing 120+ now, so faster cpus are definitely necessary.

But AMD cpus are super fast, super ch33p, so it's not really a decision point. 7700 or 7700x is the sweet spot, get these used is really good. They're not really abusable by the end user and they haven't been out that long, so they're safe to buy. 

Motherboard, get gigabyte aorus elite v2. Tp4 can vouch for this board. The MSIs are pretty good too. As long as they have 12phase and up, you can run the 16cores in the future if you decide to upgrade.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 20 January 2025, 08:01:12
You dont like Samsung TVs?

Their lcds are overpriced. TCL/Hisense are the only options.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 20 January 2025, 08:40:15
I dont understadn why nowadays people keep recommending high power CPUs for gaming - when you play 4K with decent GPU card, you can run it with i3 CPU and get lets say 60fps, when using i9, you would gain maybe 8fps, but cost is like 5x. I noticed it maybe 5 years ago and keep using 4 core i3, which is fine.
Some games still use heavy CPU.
You also need that CPU to flow enough data for modern GPUs.

I don't think most people need a $500 cpu ($200-$300 should be more than enough in almost any situation), but there are instances where it really does matter, I've seen upper end GPU drag down low end systems while not even gaming just because of how data hungry they can be.

Here's the other side of that...
Okay you have an I3 and a 3080, is it still going to handle a 4080 let alone a 5080? You saved $50-$100 when you bought it but that money is a pittance now compared to what it will cost when you have to upgrade cpu, board and possibly ram. Constantly using that low end stuff means you have to upgrade more often and unlike GPUs, it's not a simple swap and as an entire package can be costly. Yes, you can now buy a used CPU cheap, and if that's your plan, great, but that always carries some risk and you're going to be on old architecture and you still haven't really haven't saved much money at all. $40 to put up with a slow cpu for 2-4 years, nah, I'll just spend it up front and get a better cpu.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 20 January 2025, 08:43:00
At 4K you can get away with cheaper cpus. But at 1440p games are pushing 120+ now, so faster cpus are definitely necessary.

But AMD cpus are super fast, super ch33p, so it's not really a decision point. 7700 or 7700x is the sweet spot, get these used is really good. They're not really abusable by the end user and they haven't been out that long, so they're safe to buy. 

Motherboard, get gigabyte aorus elite v2. Tp4 can vouch for this board. The MSIs are pretty good too. As long as they have 12phase and up, you can run the 16cores in the future if you decide to upgrade.


Price wise if AMD, I would probably go AMD Ryzen 7 5700 max - dont want to spend more than that.
i dont need anything more. All I do is GH forum, watching YT, some photography editing and occasional gaming.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 20 January 2025, 08:47:29
You wouldn't get the 5700 because the B550 motherboards are the same price as B650.

B650 board + 7700/7700x is the only option for ANY-use case.

You can get the 7800x3d if you're Ms.Moneybags like the Leslieann.

The 5700 is a complete dead end. There's absolutely no reason to go lower than 7700.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 20 January 2025, 16:11:35
AMDs seems to have wanted to push $650-700,  Retailers are like, no way, we can't do that, delayed launch.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 20 January 2025, 17:14:38
Woah. Displayport splitters actually work great.

Weird stuff goin' on, The displayport splitter supports 2x HDMI 2.0 output, 4K 60hz @ 10bit. That should exceed the disp1.4 bandwidth. Guess they have some internal leeway in the specs. And it's RGB 444Full, Tp4 double checked with test images. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 21 January 2025, 04:38:14
You can get the 7800x3d if you're Ms.Moneybags like the Leslieann.

Says the guy with how many 4k screens and says 60hz gaming is dead.
I'd bet if you bought 30 less tv/monitors this year you too could also buy a real CPU/GPU. Heck, you might even be able to afford to eat something other than ramen. (https://cdn.geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 January 2025, 08:23:57
9070xt at $600 and 9070 at $500.

IDK.. kinda high. Drop $150 on each would be reasonable. Otherwise, people will just buy Ngreedia. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 January 2025, 10:42:58
might even be able to afford to eat something other than ramen.
Show Image
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Tp4 has not eaten ramen for months. He is a noodles addict in recovery, in and out of ramen rehab..

Talking about this is triggering for Tp4, but the doctor says it's good to be aware and always cognizant that addiction is forever, one never escapes it, and so the guard must always be up.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Tue, 21 January 2025, 10:57:43
might even be able to afford to eat something other than ramen.
Show Image
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Tp4 has not eaten ramen for months. He is a noodles addict in recovery, in and out of ramen rehab..

Talking about this is triggering for Tp4, but the doctor says it's good to be aware and always cognizant that addiction is forever, one never escapes it, and so the guard must always be up.


Don't stop now, you've almost caught the dragon. Also, what do you do with all your "outdated" displays? Do you sell them or do you have a warehouse like RTings?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 January 2025, 11:05:34
They just go in the basement until there's a use for them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 21 January 2025, 13:15:25
I wonder if nvidia will release frame generation to 40x and 30x series - then I would not have to sell my 3070 and just stay with it for next year.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 January 2025, 16:28:48
Frame generation is just interpolation, your tv can do it.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Tue, 21 January 2025, 16:42:16
Are we finally getting to the point of GPU computational power that we will start optimizing games/engines vs brute forcing the processing?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 21 January 2025, 17:53:21
Frame generation is just interpolation, your tv can do it.
It's the "sports setting" on TVs that gives the soap opera effect when watching anything other than sports.

I'm particularly sensitive to it and I HATE it.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 January 2025, 20:03:52
The GPU version of interpolation (frame gen), is much better than the TV's version, but it has limited usefulness.

For non-input-intensive games like Dragon Age Veilguard. It's fine, you can render 72 frames, let it double to 144. This works surprisingly well, and you can crank all the settings up to max.

For games where you care about input latency, frame gen is not a solution, because you're better off turning down the settings so you can get 144hz REAL frames.  You can absolutely feel a difference, it's night and day in terms of responsiveness.

It also doesn't work for slower GPUs, contrary to how it's advertised. The faster the screen pans/moves the more FPS you need to make the frame-gen look right. In any game that can't AT LEAST do 60fps in your target settings/resolution, it doesn't matter if the fps counter says 60fps after framegen doubling, the game plays really choppy, and the visual artifacts greatly increase.

Framegen does not make up for slower gpus. It's a limited tool with a narrow use case.


You can play with it on your 3070 phinix, the internet has patched AMD's FSR 3.1 into Nvidia DLSS supported games, This allows non-DLSS frame gen cards to USE Frame gen. and FSR3.1 actually looks pretty darn good.  Like in Veilguard.

So, any game that supports DLSS can do framegen with the AMD hacks.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 24 January 2025, 19:19:48
So, 5090, relative to a 79xtx will be 47% faster.  So it's 1.1 to 1.23x more $ per frame.

That's not wildly expensive perhaps, but Tp4 were expecting more performance out of the premium product.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 25 January 2025, 14:07:59
Couple days with the QM7 now, Must admit,  Any Fullfield snow/ beach scenes, the OLED just doesn't hit as hard as LCD.

HVA is coming out this or next year, rumored IPS like viewing angle w/ VA level contrast.

If that's true, it could become pretty difficult to sell OLEDs, it's hard even now, LG's losing money and uptake is slow. The B series is just their overstocked panels with software limited drive controls.

Makes sense why Sony has gone back to LCDs on Bravia,  they must know something.

If the viewing angles are honestly just 15 degrees better, There wouldn't be a huge-difference between LCD/Oled in real world use.

One would suspect they wouldn't bother with HVA if it couldn't at least do that much.

You definitely can see color washout on LCD still, but the brightness kind of makes up for it.

Hopefully the new HVA controls that backlight haze a bit better.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 28 January 2025, 16:50:32
So, 5090, relative to a 79xtx will be 47% faster.  So it's 1.1 to 1.23x more $ per frame.

That's not wildly expensive perhaps, but Tp4 were expecting more performance out of the premium product.


to me it seems a bit overkill for most folks. I've been on the hunt for a ~$600 4080 (4080 super fe looks sweet too but those are uncommon), and looking forward to the 5080 release. I think both are still at a somewhat reasonable pricepoint compared to the 5090, where I feel like the marginal utility is weakening with twice the price tag of the 5080.

in other news, I recently swapped out some parts in my rig but in the process somehow screwed up my riser cable, which took me a minute to figure out since I wasn't getting any video signal, and my ITX motherboard doesn't beep. sadly was bit in the back with SFF again. pcie 4.0 riser on the way, but kinda wish I didn't have to deal with a riser in the first place.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 January 2025, 17:29:51
They keep saying raytracing is going to take off. It CAN'T take off until everyone has something that's 4x faster than a 5090.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 29 January 2025, 03:53:45
New Tariff on Taiwan, China's semiconductors.

Ummm.. Tp4 has always had the stance buy m0ar GPUs, but prolly should do it soonish?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 29 January 2025, 04:42:11
They keep saying raytracing is going to take off. It CAN'T take off until everyone has something that's 4x faster than a 5090.
It looks... nice(?), but it's so overblown, especially versus the resources it needs.

Only thing I play that can really use it is Cyberpunk and when I disabled it I actually couldn't tell a difference. It took a few times turning it on and off for me to notice the only difference was a reflection in some water. I mean, it did look better, not gonna lie, but did it change my game, nope. My rig can handle it so I left it on, but if it couldn't I really wouldn't care. So kind of neat but seriously the most over-rated tech in a while.

As for the 5090, ray tracing already peaked, it's going to get diminishing returns as you add more and more cores to it. It will use less resources be less of a performance hit but it's already shown it's potential from a user standpoint. It's a developer tool, not really a performance feature, it allows developers to be more lazy and auto generate reflections without having to create them, that's really it. For users, the RT revolution already came and went with a yawn.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 29 January 2025, 05:12:50
Quick question - not gaming PC to be honest, but I'm after a mini PC, like those old intel NUC ones.
I only use it for browsing on living room tv, play movies or youtube, torrent, that's it, so not a power monster needed.
I picked this MSI Cubi 5 12M (https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-cubi-12m-intel-core-i3-1215u-ddr4-so-dimm-1x-m2-plus-1x-25-bay-thunderbolt-4-barebones) with i3-1215U, gonna slap in 16GB of ram and some 1TB ssd (for downloading movies etc). Going to pay around £320 for a whole set.
I dont want to spend a lot of money on it, but wanted to ask you guys in case you know of any better configuration than this for same money.
I've seen those AMD Ryzen mini PCs but actual brand is not familar, so dont know if its worth investing in something if company is dodgy. I guess having Ryzen cpu in it, I would get better internal GPU for some simple gaming, but not planning to game on that PC, but just in case I could play like some Sims 4 or similar, it might be advantage :)

(https://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/xlarge/3500372-xl-a.jpg)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 29 January 2025, 08:05:52
It looks... nice(?), but it's so overblown, especially versus the resources it needs.

Only thing I play that can really use it is Cyberpunk and when I disabled it I actually couldn't tell a difference. It took a few times turning it on and off for me to notice the only difference was a reflection in some water. I mean, it did look better, not gonna lie, but did it change my game, nope. My rig can handle it so I left it on, but if it couldn't I really wouldn't care. So kind of neat but seriously the most over-rated tech in a while.

As for the 5090, ray tracing already peaked, it's going to get diminishing returns as you add more and more cores to it. It will use less resources be less of a performance hit but it's already shown it's potential from a user standpoint. It's a developer tool, not really a performance feature, it allows developers to be more lazy and auto generate reflections without having to create them, that's really it. For users, the RT revolution already came and went with a yawn.

Doom Eternal Raytracing, looks great, runs great.

Cyberpunk Raytracing, looks ok, runs horrible.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 29 January 2025, 09:00:17
It looks... nice(?), but it's so overblown, especially versus the resources it needs.

Only thing I play that can really use it is Cyberpunk and when I disabled it I actually couldn't tell a difference. It took a few times turning it on and off for me to notice the only difference was a reflection in some water. I mean, it did look better, not gonna lie, but did it change my game, nope. My rig can handle it so I left it on, but if it couldn't I really wouldn't care. So kind of neat but seriously the most over-rated tech in a while.

As for the 5090, ray tracing already peaked, it's going to get diminishing returns as you add more and more cores to it. It will use less resources be less of a performance hit but it's already shown it's potential from a user standpoint. It's a developer tool, not really a performance feature, it allows developers to be more lazy and auto generate reflections without having to create them, that's really it. For users, the RT revolution already came and went with a yawn.

Doom Eternal Raytracing, looks great, runs great.

Cyberpunk Raytracing, looks ok, runs horrible.


I need to finally try that new Doom. Never played it.
But there is even newer coming out, like medieval or something?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 29 January 2025, 09:05:24
5080 Benchmarks. Tp4 is a little confused.. Did they forget to release a new card?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 30 January 2025, 04:47:02
Quick question - not gaming PC to be honest, but I'm after a mini PC, like those old intel NUC ones.
I only use it for browsing on living room tv, play movies or youtube, torrent, that's it, so not a power monster needed.
I picked this MSI Cubi 5 12M (https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-cubi-12m-intel-core-i3-1215u-ddr4-so-dimm-1x-m2-plus-1x-25-bay-thunderbolt-4-barebones) with i3-1215U, gonna slap in 16GB of ram and some 1TB ssd (for downloading movies etc). Going to pay around £320 for a whole set.
I dont want to spend a lot of money on it, but wanted to ask you guys in case you know of any better configuration than this for same money.
I've seen those AMD Ryzen mini PCs but actual brand is not familar, so dont know if its worth investing in something if company is dodgy. I guess having Ryzen cpu in it, I would get better internal GPU for some simple gaming, but not planning to game on that PC, but just in case I could play like some Sims 4 or similar, it might be advantage :)
These things are decent, I've sold people ones similar to these and while I have heard of them not lasting as long as laptops and desktops I've only personally seen one fail due to a power spike due to faulty wiring in the house (a consumer grade model like you're looking at). My customers liked them, I like them, I have a few of the Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny and the one one hit by lightning (all of which I got free) the only real problem I have found is when there is a problem there is no parts and they aren't protected as a laptop electrically. The lightning one probably would have survived had it been a laptop or a Lenovo or HP enterprise model.

All of that is why I will say, if you do this, look at the slightly larger enterprise models like Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny or the equivalent HP (try used?). Both have parts you can get (usually cheap). The other option I would recommend would be a slightly older Lenovo or equivalent HP enterprise grade laptop (Lenovo Thinkpad T or X) and just run it with the lid closed (just disable standby when lid is closed) and stick it someplace safe under your desk or behind your monitor (you can also get docks for these for more ports). You can get all of them for reasonable prices and replacement parts can be had for cheap. The consumer grade may now be getting spare parts but nothing like the enterprise stuff.

Note a lack of Dell, Dell does weird stuff, like odd volted ram, bios issues, etc... You really want HP or Lenovo for enterprise stuff long term or used.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 31 January 2025, 10:29:06
People buying B580s, such a huge mistake.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 31 January 2025, 10:30:22
I need to finally try that new Doom. Never played it.
But there is even newer coming out, like medieval or something?

It runs great on pretty much everything, and even with raytracing turned on you can get 60fps out of it on mid-tier cards..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 31 January 2025, 10:38:22
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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 31 January 2025, 17:35:32
Quick question - not gaming PC to be honest, but I'm after a mini PC, like those old intel NUC ones.
I only use it for browsing on living room tv, play movies or youtube, torrent, that's it, so not a power monster needed.
I picked this MSI Cubi 5 12M (https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-cubi-12m-intel-core-i3-1215u-ddr4-so-dimm-1x-m2-plus-1x-25-bay-thunderbolt-4-barebones) with i3-1215U, gonna slap in 16GB of ram and some 1TB ssd (for downloading movies etc). Going to pay around £320 for a whole set.
I dont want to spend a lot of money on it, but wanted to ask you guys in case you know of any better configuration than this for same money.
I've seen those AMD Ryzen mini PCs but actual brand is not familar, so dont know if its worth investing in something if company is dodgy. I guess having Ryzen cpu in it, I would get better internal GPU for some simple gaming, but not planning to game on that PC, but just in case I could play like some Sims 4 or similar, it might be advantage :)
These things are decent, I've sold people ones similar to these and while I have heard of them not lasting as long as laptops and desktops I've only personally seen one fail due to a power spike due to faulty wiring in the house (a consumer grade model like you're looking at). My customers liked them, I like them, I have a few of the Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny and the one one hit by lightning (all of which I got free) the only real problem I have found is when there is a problem there is no parts and they aren't protected as a laptop electrically. The lightning one probably would have survived had it been a laptop or a Lenovo or HP enterprise model.

All of that is why I will say, if you do this, look at the slightly larger enterprise models like Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny or the equivalent HP (try used?). Both have parts you can get (usually cheap). The other option I would recommend would be a slightly older Lenovo or equivalent HP enterprise grade laptop (Lenovo Thinkpad T or X) and just run it with the lid closed (just disable standby when lid is closed) and stick it someplace safe under your desk or behind your monitor (you can also get docks for these for more ports). You can get all of them for reasonable prices and replacement parts can be had for cheap. The consumer grade may now be getting spare parts but nothing like the enterprise stuff.

Note a lack of Dell, Dell does weird stuff, like odd volted ram, bios issues, etc... You really want HP or Lenovo for enterprise stuff long term or used.

Thanks Leslieann, I'll look into those too.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 31 January 2025, 22:51:29
Media PCs should have discreet AMD gpus. No forced DSC.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 February 2025, 00:48:07
Want to emphasize. AMD platform has pretty gud' device latency these days. Older chips had more problems if you push audio through software transform.. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 01 February 2025, 09:05:13
I remember using Telegram app to get notifications for rtx3070.
Do you guys know hot to do it again, now for 50xx series?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 February 2025, 09:22:40
Tp4 recommends at least 5080 at msrp if possible. 5070 is going to be soft.

Or 7900xtx, as raytracing still isn't a mature tech.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 01 February 2025, 11:37:47
Tp4 recommends at least 5080 at msrp if possible. 5070 is going to be soft.

Or 7900xtx, as raytracing still isn't a mature tech.


if tp sends some golden coins to phinix, phinix will buy 5080 :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 February 2025, 11:46:46
Tp4 recommends at least 5080 at msrp if possible. 5070 is going to be soft.

Or 7900xtx, as raytracing still isn't a mature tech.


if tp sends some golden coins to phinix, phinix will buy 5080 :)

Let's review the Tp4 GPU savings plan.

Count the number of offspring/ females dining at your socialist (home) cafeteria.

#1 Reduce the calories by 30% because we could all use it.
#2 Switch to Beans and Veggies
#3 Reduce net cooking fuel use by making large batches and freezing them in fixed meal portions.
#4 Turn down the thermalstat to 60 degrees.
#5 Dress warmly
#6 No name brand snacks, crushed Top Ramen + sprinkled seasoning will replace potato chips.
#7 Attempt to make plain bake potatoes with salt/pepper 85% of total calories.
#8 Reassure your consituents that this is for the greater happiness of the family
#9 Buy 5090.

You will achieve 5090 in approximately 3 months.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 01 February 2025, 11:54:09
Tp4 recommends at least 5080 at msrp if possible. 5070 is going to be soft.

Or 7900xtx, as raytracing still isn't a mature tech.


if tp sends some golden coins to phinix, phinix will buy 5080 :)

Let's review the Tp4 GPU savings plan.

Count the number of offspring/ females dining at your socialist (home) cafeteria.

#1 Reduce the calories by 30% because we could all use it.
#2 Switch to Beans and Veggies
#3 Reduce net cooking fuel use by making large batches and freezing them in fixed meal portions.
#4 Turn down the thermalstat to 60 degrees.
#5 Dress warmly
#6 No name brand snacks, crushed Top Ramen + sprinkled seasoning will replace potato chips.
#7 Attempt to make plain bake potatoes with salt/pepper 85% of total calories.
#8 Reassure your consituents that this is for the greater happiness of the family
#9 Buy 5090.

You will achieve 5090 in approximately 3 months.


phinix, being Polish, already incorporated some of those "moves" in his home, but still not enough, plus hard to explain to missus, that phinix needs more frames per second to play Dead Space and kill all those monsters :|

If the rumor will become true - "9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%" - there is a chance phinix will come over to red side and buys 9070XT.

(not sure it phinix is as good as tp in 3rd person sentences.. ;) )
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 February 2025, 12:24:29
Tp4 is a minor momentum in the universe, neither first nor third person.

The sentences merely convey this minute energy transfer.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 February 2025, 13:24:42
Where do you even get quality Sata cables nemore.

They're all sooooo bad these days.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sun, 02 February 2025, 16:05:59
Where do you even get quality Sata cables nemore.

They're all sooooo bad these days.


Last time I bought SATA cable was back in the days when I was a PC modder, like 10 years ago. I remember last ones were Akasa slim cables, were really nice, thin and lovely color etc
I have not used SATA for 8 years now.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 February 2025, 21:10:33
xxhash3 / AMAZING. So fast.....
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 04 February 2025, 04:13:17
Where do you even get quality Sata cables nemore.

They're all sooooo bad these days.
They were always bad.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 February 2025, 11:11:13
They were always bad.

It's crazy, the monoprice sata cables Tp4 got, brand new only put in a year ago, 2 already gone bad out of 10.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 05 February 2025, 05:06:55
They were always bad.

It's crazy, the monoprice sata cables Tp4 got, brand new only put in a year ago, 2 already gone bad out of 10.


wow, what is wrong with them? I never had problems with sata cables.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 February 2025, 10:45:54
I know this is just advertisement, but come on.. That's going a little far samsung.  :D

Those big pixels on the left is ~10x10pixels, so it's implying 110ppi is 100x the pixel density of 83ppi

In reality it only increases the resolution by 1.76x


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 05 February 2025, 14:45:11
tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 February 2025, 16:18:52
tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?

There was, I believe they're not doing it for the 9070/xt, this time around because XFX which built the last ones were very problematic.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 05 February 2025, 16:40:46
tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?

There was, I believe they're not doing it for the 9070/xt, this time around because XFX which built the last ones were very problematic.


oh, I see. ok.
In case phinix will have to go with AMD, which brand would you suggest?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 February 2025, 17:00:52
tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?

There was, I believe they're not doing it for the 9070/xt, this time around because XFX which built the last ones were very problematic.


oh, I see. ok.
In case phinix will have to go with AMD, which brand would you suggest?

Sapphire is the EVGA of AMD.

But in general, other than Price and Availability being the main determinant,  just get the card with the biggest heatsink, because they don't do crazy custom board power delivery re-designs for the mid-bracket cards, they only do it for the halo cards,  so all the non-halo cards are basically using reference design, so unless you get a bigger heatsink out of paying more, they're not doing any extra work.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 February 2025, 05:46:59
Who is hoarding all the DDR3 2x16gb sticks.  >:D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Darthbaggins on Fri, 07 February 2025, 07:48:32
I have two in my desktop at work  :cool:
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 February 2025, 12:36:16
It's like they've gone and disappeared, where have they gone, no one knows?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 February 2025, 16:36:09
TCL Tvs,

Don't think Tp4 will buy another brand in the future. They update beta firmwares really fast, and generally very responsive to bug fixes.

SonySamsungLG, these guys take FOREVERrrrrrr...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 February 2025, 10:03:13
I have two in my desktop at work  :cool:

You must stealz all the ddr3 ram at wurk, and sells it on dat ebay, hopefully reserving 1* 2x16 kit for the Tp4.

Where has all these kits gone, did they sell them all to some country? where are they?

There seems to be ebay remanufactured kits (salvaged ics) available, but these are dodgy.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 February 2025, 20:48:38
Might be placeboo, but connecting Tp4's audio dac to usbc, and mouse/keebr to the usb3.2s  FEEEEELS m0ar tight latency wise than the other ports.

Also, Tp4 feels by far, AMD input latency is much lower than Intel chipsets of late.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 11 February 2025, 05:03:41
Who is hoarding all the DDR3 2x16gb sticks.  >:D
Intel DDR3 desktop and laptop chips didn't officially support 16GB sticks until Broadwell (no one cared about AMD at the time) and few people at the time thought it was needed, remember, this was Vista/7/8 era. Win10 was a year after DDR4 was released and it usually takes a year or so after a Windows update for people to really catch up to a new hardware spec and few even then thought 32GB was needed so most who went 32gig would have done so on DDR4.

You're looking for a needle in  haystack.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 11 February 2025, 07:53:57
But Tp4 distinctly remember there were 2x16g kits being sold, expensive. Yet, they've all disappeared and have not reappeared on the second hand market.. Even now, you can find lots of laptop 2x16g kits, but not desktop.


There remains the probable case that Tp4 is hallucinating again. Apologies for AIp4 inference engine fails.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 12 February 2025, 04:54:56
But Tp4 distinctly remember there were 2x16g kits being sold, expensive. Yet, they've all disappeared and have not reappeared on the second hand market.. Even now, you can find lots of laptop 2x16g kits, but not desktop.


There remains the probable case that Tp4 is hallucinating again. Apologies for AIp4 inference engine fails.

Those late gen max'd out ram chips cost a ton and often don't release until near the end of that ram's cycle.
By the time it was available or at least "reasonable" for desktop, it was probably not THAT much more to just switch to DDR4 and a new cpu/mobo combo, that's what happened to me when I first went to 16GB and again 32GB, it was more cost effective to upgrade cpu/mobo/ram combo.

On laptop, which sticks around longer, yeah a few probably were made and sold, and those users are likely still using them or being sold in the units for an insane amount to people willing to pay the price (how many old Thinkpads are still being used). You know, people like us, and we hoard them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 February 2025, 05:55:01
Those late gen max'd out ram chips cost a ton and often don't release until near the end of that ram's cycle.
By the time it was available or at least "reasonable" for desktop, it was probably not THAT much more to just switch to DDR4 and a new cpu/mobo combo, that's what happened to me when I first went to 16GB and again 32GB, it was more cost effective to upgrade cpu/mobo/ram combo.

On laptop, which sticks around longer, yeah a few probably were made and sold, and those users are likely still using them or being sold in the units for an insane amount to people willing to pay the price (how many old Thinkpads are still being used). You know, people like us, and we hoard them.

Tp4 demands Leslieann sell Tp4 a desktop 2x16gb kit from the hoard.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 12 February 2025, 08:52:37

You know, people like us, and we hoard them.


My T440p (which I got for cheap years ago, without hard drive, to which I added an SSD) is running Linux Mint 22 without a hiccup, although I don't use it very hard. It's well over 10 years old, multiple epochs in computer years.

PS - thanks for the recommendation Leslieann!
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 February 2025, 10:27:58

You know, people like us, and we hoard them.


My T440p (which I got for cheap years ago, without hard drive, to which I added an SSD) is running Linux Mint 22 without a hiccup, although I don't use it very hard. It's well over 10 years old, multiple epochs in computer years.

PS - thanks for the recommendation Leslieann!


Fohat needs to go to the latest Ryzen Halo. This will be an absolute pivot point in laptop history. 1 chip, APU, supports lots of ram,
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 12 February 2025, 11:20:15
Cost of using my laptop = unzipping a laptop case and pressing a button.

Cost of a new laptop = a large number of dollars

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 February 2025, 20:53:43
Yahyahyah

4090/ 5090 about to meltdown.  MAJOR Recall is coming.

Basically, they put the B-team on consumer GPU, and cheaped out on the shunt resistors/ current balance sensing circuit POST 3090Ti.

That's the reason 3090Ti which can pull hard 600+ watts, does not melt.

The new 4090/5090 forgo sensing and extra shunts, thus creating a failure scenario where all the current could be coming in from only 1 or 2 wire out of 6.

So,,,, these cards WILL eventually melt/ kill itself. Every single one designed this way outside of AIB partner like the Asus one below that has a sense circuit Addon for safety..


Cheaping out on the shunt isn't such a big problem on server cards, because there's probably load balancing some where in the power pipeline and the traces are always way overspecced. 



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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 13 February 2025, 04:42:49
My T440p (which I got for cheap years ago, without hard drive, to which I added an SSD) is running Linux Mint 22 without a hiccup, although I don't use it very hard. It's well over 10 years old, multiple epochs in computer years.

PS - thanks for the recommendation Leslieann!
You're welcome, I'm glad it has served you well.
Such great machines, especially for Linux.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 February 2025, 13:34:20
MSI Afterburner beta 5 overlays finally supports 9000 series AMD.

CPU Power (watts) doesn't report correctly, but everything else seems to work.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 13 February 2025, 21:19:19
Who is hoarding all the DDR3 2x16gb sticks.  >:D

what are you doing making a DDR3 build?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 February 2025, 21:29:52
what are you doing making a DDR3 build?

Tpoor4 2025
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Fri, 14 February 2025, 12:56:56
what are you doing making a DDR3 build?

Tpoor4 2025

Stop buying new displays? lol
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 February 2025, 16:23:48
Stop buying new displays? lol

If Tp4 no buy dat display, how will Gekha know which display technology is currently the best value.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 February 2025, 20:09:18
Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 February 2025, 09:16:55
Here's a good way to understand the 4th law of thermal-dynamics.

4th law basically says, anytime there's excess possible extraction of thermal energy, that niche will be exploited, humans will go there and extract/use the energy.

Everytime your GPU gets faster, Game developers make their game look a tiny bit better and it still runs at trash framerates.

What does this explain?

Well...  Technology, or any increases in Technological-Efficiency, is NOT solving climate change if the underlying structure of economic capitalism remains unchanged.



Building Solar does not reduce carbon emissions, if you go ahead and use all the power the panels produce ontop of increasing fossil based energy.

There is no Green-tech, there is only Green-Washed tech.   We're killing the Ecology of earth (the actual GREEN) and replacing it with Tech that comes with a green sticker, a cute little leaf, the same leaf we killed to make this abomination.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 16 February 2025, 17:04:44
Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I still have my 200+ DVD collection from back when you could hit up a pawn shop and walk away with 5 films you've never seen before for $5
I have SO MANY bad direct to DVD movies my roommate at the time and I would get drunk and make fun of.
Man, life used to be worth living back when simple things could make me happy.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 February 2025, 19:41:09
NE buy dat off brand ssds like Kingspec ?  Seeeeems, okish no? since the controller and nand is used by Teamgroup in a similar drive.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 17 February 2025, 02:58:30
Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I miss VHS :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 February 2025, 09:18:39
Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I miss VHS :)

Image quality was soooo bad, but it wasn't horrible thanks to CRTs blur.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Mon, 17 February 2025, 10:08:10
Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I've been tempted to get a DVD/Bluray drive for my PC to rip DVDs from the library to create my own offline netflix.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 February 2025, 11:53:33
Thermalright c12c 5pack black fans. Great fans. Tp4 can vouch.

1550 rpm, It's got the fluid bearings, and multifan chain connector. 5 fans for $16.39, the ARGB ones are $20, but they use the frosted white plastic blades which are softer than the black plastic version. If there is a noise difference, it's not detectable in these low rpm ranges. Upto 1150rpm, nearly inaudible. No bearing whirl.

Arctic wants $35 for the same thing. 1800rpm and not even argb.


Realistically, theres nothing you're gonna do with 1800rpm that 1550rpm isn't enough for. And pressure side of things, who the hell cares, if you want pressure, you get a GT clone.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 18 February 2025, 04:29:45
Ne 1 miss Dvds?
I miss VHS :)
Image quality was soooo bad, but it wasn't horrible thanks to CRTs blur.
I don't think it was necessarily DVD that was the issue.
A lot of movies were just VHS transferred over, they weren't adjusted to fit the larger screens or remastered. The transfer was poorly done and the companies just used it as a money grab.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 February 2025, 20:20:41
Undervolting causes more stability problems for the middle and low frequencies, because the offset is too much at that section of the curve, whereas at Peak voltage, it can sustain stronger cuts.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 February 2025, 21:56:27
I don't think it was necessarily DVD that was the issue.
A lot of movies were just VHS transferred over, they weren't adjusted to fit the larger screens or remastered. The transfer was poorly done and the companies just used it as a money grab.

The b movie slashers were especially bad. Worse than home video at times.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 19 February 2025, 18:26:27
Oh, what the hell... just ordered new monitor, LG OLED 42" C4. Selling my old 48" CX, time for upgrade. Picked it for great promotion, so at the end it should be a simple swap for same amount.
Next - 5070 in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 February 2025, 20:56:22
Oh, what the hell... just ordered new monitor, LG OLED 42" C4. Selling my old 48" CX, time for upgrade. Picked it for great promotion, so at the end it should be a simple swap for same amount.
Next - 5070 in 2 weeks.

NOoooooooo. QD OLED.. QDeeeeeeee.

Keep an eye out for swap to QD in the return period, colors like you've never seen.


It's weird samsung doesn't make QD for their smaller TVs, I think it starts at 55 inches. 42,48inch are woled,

But make sure that's how it's set in your country. Because WOLED for smaller sizes, does not have as Awesome colors.

Notice the gamut isn't filled out on the Woled because the white pixels bleach out the colors. Whereas on the QDoled it's much wider and filled out.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 20 February 2025, 03:09:56
Oh, what the hell... just ordered new monitor, LG OLED 42" C4. Selling my old 48" CX, time for upgrade. Picked it for great promotion, so at the end it should be a simple swap for same amount.
Next - 5070 in 2 weeks.

NOoooooooo. QD OLED.. QDeeeeeeee.

Keep an eye out for swap to QD in the return period, colors like you've never seen.


It's weird samsung doesn't make QD for their smaller TVs, I think it starts at 55 inches. 42,48inch are woled,

But make sure that's how it's set in your country. Because WOLED for smaller sizes, does not have as Awesome colors.

Notice the gamut isn't filled out on the Woled because the white pixels bleach out the colors. Whereas on the QDoled it's much wider and filled out.


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Nooooooo :)

tp, phinix has small 190x190cm space room for his gaming PC/main command station, to make it more misarable, its uder the stairs, like Harry Potter. That is why phinix chooses smallest OLED he can, which is 42". Smaller ones are pointless. phinix had 48" OLED for 5 years now and 99% of the time used maybe 80% of the screen, cause 48" is too big to use with 70cm screen-eyes distance (or in your US metric - 342 feet square :p ).
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 22 February 2025, 09:59:13
9070xt  (Jiggahertz edition)

Crazy idea by crazy youtuber.  To really stick it to the 5080.  A throwback to 7970ghz edition back in the day, way back when AMD pounced. 

Hrrrm..... Tp4 don't think even a crazy clocked 9070xt can match a 5080, even if they add more + faster ram.. Sooo...

And 5080 has 10% headroom like any other cards, This seems like a stretch.  And if you push 450 watts through the thing. IDK.... Really big cooler. hrrmr

Thoughhts??
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 22 February 2025, 12:09:39
Gpu Idle = Zero RPM Fan

What says the gekha?

VRMs Burninator?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 22 February 2025, 16:34:47
LG OLED 42" C4 arrived and hanged.
This is what I always wanted - great monitor, but in size that is big enough to play close to it. It reminds me of my old Philips 40" VA monitor.
Just played Dead Space again - still scary as hell on 42", like it was on 48" :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 22 February 2025, 16:41:29
LG OLED 42" C4 arrived and hanged.
This is what I always wanted - great monitor, but in size that is big enough to play close to it. It reminds me of my old Philips 40" VA monitor.
Just played Dead Space again - still scary as hell on 42", like it was on 48" :)

TCL is doing wide VA this year, it remains to be seen how wide its capabilities are.

However, LCD still struggles with accurate dark and bright simultaneous textures.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 22 February 2025, 18:43:55
LG OLED 42" C4 arrived and hanged.
This is what I always wanted - great monitor, but in size that is big enough to play close to it. It reminds me of my old Philips 40" VA monitor.
Just played Dead Space again - still scary as hell on 42", like it was on 48" :)

TCL is doing wide VA this year, it remains to be seen how wide its capabilities are.

However, LCD still struggles with accurate dark and bright simultaneous textures.


Yeah, maybe in 5 years we will see some new technology and OLEDs or MiniLeds will be 3 time better, who knows :)

What I would like to see next, is capacity of regular/customers SSDs going up and prices down. 4TB SSD should be $150, 8TB $300 max.
This way we would be able to completely drop mechanical drives.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 23 February 2025, 10:51:54
These young hughmahns with their 96 Gigabytes of rams.

Tp4 distinctly recall arguing with his homies, Why would you ever need more than 64 Megabytes of ram. That's frivolous, you bourgeois capitalist bastard .
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Sun, 23 February 2025, 10:57:29
Having 96GB of RAM in a gaming computer is silly. I have 32gb and I cannot imagine upgrading any time soon. Even if I was to build another machine today, I'd get 2 sticks of 16gb. You can always upgrade later, but why spend the money?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 23 February 2025, 11:30:45
If they updated windows internet explorer 6,  Tp4 would still be using 64MB of ram 2day.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 24 February 2025, 04:51:15
Having 96GB of RAM in a gaming computer is silly. I have 32gb and I cannot imagine upgrading any time soon. Even if I was to build another machine today, I'd get 2 sticks of 16gb. You can always upgrade later, but why spend the money?

So much this.
Tell me why you need 32, let alone 96. "Because Chrome/Edge,etc!"
Have you actually looked at the ram use in your system? Sure you filled up 16Gigs, it's not hard when the system uses 8-12gigs, but have you tried 32 or are you just assuming if 32 is good, 64  or 96 will be even better?

Ram is only part of the bottleneck, you can put 128gigs and still bog it down if the rest of the system is also not beefed up. You need more cpu, the software isn't designed to handle that much ram by itself, but also YOU. You are the real problem. How many windows and tabs do you have open? They never designed it with people like you in mind and this push by Microsoft and Google to leave the system running 24/7/365 only made the problem worse by not forcing you to clear out the ram and maybe your windows/tabs.

Admit it, you aren't actually using all 600+ pages every day/week, ever heard of bookmarks? You can open a whole folder of bookmarks at once. There's no need to leave 400 tabs open 24/7. I have one bookmark folder with 60 pages. One (middle) click they all open and then I can close them with a click and the system runs just fine. Organize your crap and the ram will no longer be a problem. Guess what though, even with 400 windows open and playing videos I still couldn't fill 32 gigs before the system bogged down.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 24 February 2025, 08:05:51

using all 600+ pages


It bothers my field of vision + focus have all that crap in front of my face. It is very rare for me to have more than half a dozen tabs open, and I close everything out and shut the computer down every night.

Several years ago I heard a talk by a psychologist and productivity expert and he burned a principle into my mind =  "Multi-tasking is Worse Than a Lie."
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Mon, 24 February 2025, 08:08:43
I got a genuine improvement in RDR2 going from 16gb to 32gb (3440x1440), but that may be more frequency increases 2666 or whatever to 3200. I am also a staunch close all other apps before playing a game kinda guy. I want all my resources for just the game. Gotta hit 144hz in Oblivion.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 February 2025, 13:59:26
Slower typers and/or using slow cpus, they develop a habit where it's very cumbersome to "Get To" the website they want.

So, this is a poverty issue.  And the primary cause of poverty is HyperCapitalism,

The only way to fix this, is to eat 100% veggie, take down capitalism, then move towards Faster CPUs for all mankind.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 25 February 2025, 04:36:15
I got a genuine improvement in RDR2 going from 16gb to 32gb (3440x1440), but that may be more frequency increases 2666 or whatever to 3200. I am also a staunch close all other apps before playing a game kinda guy. I want all my resources for just the game. Gotta hit 144hz in Oblivion.

Just because 16 isn't enough, doesn't mean 32 won't be or will fix the problem.
The OS will only take advantage of so much, so will the apps so there is a point of diminishing returns, especially with lower end CPUS. 24 seems to be about that point but 24 makes for an odd config so 32 it is. Due to the way software is made, there hasn't and won't be any time soon where having 8x the typical memory will be of much use to the average user. Double, yes, but not 4 or 8x.

Like you, I'm running 32 as well, 16 wasn't quite enough, but I almost never max that out.


BTW, some games will actually take a hit with too many cores and too much memory (64 gigs seems to be where this starts). Just like high end GPUs, too many cores and memory addresses take CPU power to manage it all and if it's too much the system works too hard to take advantage actually losing performance. Early AMD Threadrippers highlighted this issue where it took quite a bit of CPU just to decide what core to send what data. Still made for a fast cpu, just just as much as people hoped.



Slower typers and/or using slow cpus, they develop a habit where it's very cumbersome to "Get To" the website they want.
This is all the more reason to use bookmarks how I described. Less typing, less resource use.

They're actually making their own problem worse, not helping it.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 February 2025, 13:08:51
Why hasn't anyone invented a device which allows Gamers to eat rice and play video games at the same time.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 February 2025, 16:37:29
You guys remember just LEAVING the game running?

Can't do that no more if it's pulling 500watts from the wall. Unless you're Mega Rich.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 February 2025, 17:35:03
LOL, the latest internet joke is Nvidia 5 series cards are Rop'ping people. "missing ROPs, manufacturing defect"

Losing 4-10% performance.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 February 2025, 16:00:39
Is it even ethical to use 600-800 watts per hour just to play a PC game?  :-X
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Thu, 27 February 2025, 18:11:34
Is it even ethical to use 600-800 watts per hour just to play a PC game?  :-X

TP4, have you ever seen The Good Place? Because I believe you are the closest living human to Doug Forcett.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 February 2025, 19:33:00
Is it even ethical to use 600-800 watts per hour just to play a PC game?  :-X

TP4, have you ever seen The Good Place? Because I believe you are the closest living human to Doug Forcett.


Don't try to flatter Tp4, his Do-Not-Kill list isn't soooooh easy to get on. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 27 February 2025, 19:37:55

Doug Forcett
.

Tp4, his Do-Not-Kill list


Staggering irony there.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Thu, 27 February 2025, 19:53:49
If not your list, the list of the Keyboard Institute. They are not happy that I salvage (and restore) Alps switches.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 February 2025, 20:17:08
1st world problem.

Thought about doing a De-shroud mod.  But the problem with this red-devil 79xtx is that it doesn't go below 35% pwm, which means, If you buy most 3000rpm fans on the market, it'll push 1500-1700rpm.  The stock fans do 900ish rpm on 35% which is almost silent, but not because it's ball bearing.

Don't think they make PC 3000rpm fans that get near 900 @ 35%.

Controlling it through motherboard would be, tedious. Althoughhhhhh.....
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 February 2025, 20:50:38
Okokokok, Coverage will probably be about the same. The overhang, mmmmm...

Last photo is the same card the Tp4 has. 1st 2 photo are 79xtx, but diff models. Similar sizes though.

Obviously Tp4 is not going to use overpriced noctuas, arctic p9max p12max p14max(not in stock).

4 options.

The cooler itself is ~30cm long 11.5 cm wide

3x 90mm
2x 90mm + 1x 120mm
3x 120mm
2x 140mm


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 February 2025, 09:32:28
Just watched FanPhys 's static pressure fans don't exist series.  Tp4's life has been a lie.  Noctua, LIARRRS. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 28 February 2025, 09:38:14

Tp4's life has been a lie.


So make it real and admit that it is worth living.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 February 2025, 14:56:22
9070xt , Blind Buy.  It's got 4070super lvl Raytrace,  which could be slightly faster than 7900xtx depending on the game.

There's literally no reason not to buy it assuming the Price is reasonably close to $599.


What is the possibility of a 3.2ghz edition AIB OC model. Hrrrrm........ pretty low, these would be very high bins, and they'd have to juice it pretty hard, more than 350watts, probably almost 400.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 28 February 2025, 18:21:55
9070xt , Blind Buy.  It's got 4070super lvl Raytrace,  which could be slightly faster than 7900xtx depending on the game.

There's literally no reason not to buy it assuming the Price is reasonably close to $599.


What is the possibility of a 3.2ghz edition AIB OC model. Hrrrrm........ pretty low, these would be very high bins, and they'd have to juice it pretty hard, more than 350watts, probably almost 400.


For some reason I still want 5070.
Am I terribly wrong?
Same price I think.

When are reviews out?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 February 2025, 18:28:45
For some reason I still want 5070.
Am I terribly wrong?
Same price I think.

When are reviews out?


You don't need reviews, we are 100% confident in the 9070xt being the better value.

If you got a specific game important to you on the Nvidia list, maybe you can go that direction, but Given the Rop'ped scandal, IDK. I just wouldn't
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 28 February 2025, 20:39:34
For some reason I still want 5070.
Am I terribly wrong?
Same price I think.

When are reviews out?


You don't need reviews, we are 100% confident in the 9070xt being the better value.

If you got a specific game important to you on the Nvidia list, maybe you can go that direction, but Given the Rop'ped scandal, IDK. I just wouldn't


Is it possible that its true that 9070XT will be similar to 5070Ti in fps?

I don't know which games are nvidia preferred. I like games like Dead Space, Silent Hill, Cyberpunk, Witcher...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 28 February 2025, 21:15:40
The 4 and 5K series just don't seem worth it, and it's been shown Nvid is bottlenecking releases.
The 6K series is where we will really see something new and worth upgrading over. There has been almost no significant advancements since RTX was introduced in the 2/3K series. Just squeezing blood from a stone at this point. 6K will be something new, 7/8K will be minor improvements upon that. 9K will be a one-off. 10K will begin to integrate quantum computing.

And so my crystal ball reads
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 March 2025, 15:32:39
Why are there so few 3000rpm fan options??
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 March 2025, 18:01:29
There's literally only 2 that are reasonably priced.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 March 2025, 07:45:20
AMD platform is smarter.

It's really not that Hopping the Chipset itself will introduce "THAT" much more latency, it's that unexpected latency can happen as motherboard vendors change host chips/ configurations/ routes.

Whereas with the AMD's USB integration, AMD can guarantee, and does the quality control on your most important peripherals.

There were bugs when they first introduced this, but it's been well ironed out over time.

If you're using AMD plat, make sure to jack in to the native usbs, those are the bestest usbs.


For comparison.  Tp4 did some tests using a usb dac.  On old motherboards which have the hop, some boards can introduce as much as 100-200ms audio latency to the dac. On the 3x b650 mobos the Tp4 owns, without a hitch, no perceptible latency at all.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 March 2025, 08:37:38
Went to the basement just now to get some sodas. Shooting pain up the leg. Stepped on a pc-thumb-screw.  Where did it come from, Tp4 knows not.  Haven't done any PC stuff down there of late, certainly haven't used thumbscrews for YEARS..

PC thumbscrews, people still'us'em?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sun, 02 March 2025, 09:06:31
Looks like 9070xt going to be really good card, cheaper but same performance to 5070Ti.
Almost same price as 5070.
I'm scared to change side and go for red, whole life had nvidia cards only. Is it really good to buy AMD? They have their own DLSS and frame-generation, right?
Only thing is most 9070XT need 3x 8 pin plugs, only one I found, Sapphire takes just 2x8pin. I wish they had that new 12pin socket.

I could get 9070xt and then if want nvidia again, change it when 5xxx Super series is out. I dont know...
But 5070 would be enough for me I think. Just that stupid vram issues, 12GB might be not enough for 4k gaming in some cases. What happens when vram is full?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 March 2025, 10:45:47
Check the specific game you care about, if it's one with heavily biased fps performance.

Other than that, no major issue. FSR is more/less equivalent to DLSS. Frame gen works on both.

3x8pin is there for flair, 9070xt only run 300ish watts.  You only need the 3rd one at 400+.

Tp4 has ran his older sapphire pulse 7900xtx with 2x8pin for over a year, and little break out at the end to go into the 3rd 8pin. It's been fine. 390watts.

The Red devil 7900xtx is using all 3, and it's only 430watts.  The other pc has an older psu
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sun, 02 March 2025, 11:29:52
Check the specific game you care about, if it's one with heavily biased fps performance.

Other than that, no major issue. FSR is more/less equivalent to DLSS. Frame gen works on both.

3x8pin is there for flair, 9070xt only run 300ish watts.  You only need the 3rd one at 400+.

Tp4 has ran his older sapphire pulse 7900xtx with 2x8pin for over a year, and little break out at the end to go into the 3rd 8pin. It's been fine. 390watts.

The Red devil 7900xtx is using all 3, and it's only 430watts.  The other pc has an older psu


When are they going to release reviews of 9070XT?
Card comes out day after 5070, but I want to see reviews...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 March 2025, 11:32:20
Order both as quickly as possible, it will sell out. Return the one that you like less.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Sun, 02 March 2025, 13:04:36
When are they going to release reviews of 9070XT?
Card comes out day after 5070, but I want to see reviews...

TechPowerUp reported the review embargo might lift on the 5th(https://www.techpowerup.com/332738/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-review-embargo-reportedly-lifts-on-march-5 (https://www.techpowerup.com/332738/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-review-embargo-reportedly-lifts-on-march-5)), but that's pretty old news at this point. No idea if it'll hold true.

I'll second what the others have said; I'd be weary of jumping into 50-series after everything that's happened so far. I'm a longtime Nvidia user myself - I wouldn't touch their current offerings just out of spite, nevermind the legitimate issues that have come up with this gen. Even if Nvidia wasn't full of crap in regards to pure raster performance, there weren't any stock or pricing issues, ROPs weren't missing, and power connectors weren't melting - the 9070 XT at least on paper seems like it's a substantially better value over a 5070 Ti. I think outside of very specific use cases (ie. you really, REALLY care about RT, need CUDA specifically, etc.), the name on the card isn't going to matter a whole lot.

But unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be a market where you can really take your time on cross-shopping anymore. Trying to buy both and returning one of them isn't the worst idea considering it's probably going to be quite hard to get either card for the next few months or so.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sun, 02 March 2025, 18:13:44
When are they going to release reviews of 9070XT?
Card comes out day after 5070, but I want to see reviews...

TechPowerUp reported the review embargo might lift on the 5th(https://www.techpowerup.com/332738/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-review-embargo-reportedly-lifts-on-march-5 (https://www.techpowerup.com/332738/amd-radeon-rx-9070-series-review-embargo-reportedly-lifts-on-march-5)), but that's pretty old news at this point. No idea if it'll hold true.

I'll second what the others have said; I'd be weary of jumping into 50-series after everything that's happened so far. I'm a longtime Nvidia user myself - I wouldn't touch their current offerings just out of spite, nevermind the legitimate issues that have come up with this gen. Even if Nvidia wasn't full of crap in regards to pure raster performance, there weren't any stock or pricing issues, ROPs weren't missing, and power connectors weren't melting - the 9070 XT at least on paper seems like it's a substantially better value over a 5070 Ti. I think outside of very specific use cases (ie. you really, REALLY care about RT, need CUDA specifically, etc.), the name on the card isn't going to matter a whole lot.

But unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be a market where you can really take your time on cross-shopping anymore. Trying to buy both and returning one of them isn't the worst idea considering it's probably going to be quite hard to get either card for the next few months or so.

eah, I may do what tp said - try to catch 5070 on Wednesday, then 9070xt on Thursday...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 March 2025, 21:10:07
It is Friday, Phinix has broken the F5 switch and needs a replacement.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 March 2025, 07:28:32
Ok, this is how is gon' be.

Deshroud 7900xtx Red Devil,  Test 3x120mm bank of all 4 fans.
There's no replacement for testing, because performance may vary quite a bit depending on air turbulence/ impedance characteristics of specific heatsinks.

The plan is:

RPM normalized run through
Temp normalized
Noise normalized, tp4 can't measure below 30db, it's also unrealistic to measure lower, because of perceptual issues.
Perceptual silence normalized, by ear (how annoying the sound normalized)
Bearing noise evaluation, by ear.

--Thermalright C12 Black, 1500rpm, $4.30 each, This is a really good fan, it's entirely CFM+Turbulence optimized for its rpm range.

--Arctic P12 Max FDB 120mm, 3300rpm, Cheeeeeep, $10 each, German engineering (so they advertise)

--Scythe Grand Tornado, 3100rpm, FDB, Cheep motor, Glass fiber plastic + housing, $15 each

--Antec Nova 120mm 3200rpm (just came out), 3phase motor (precision rpm target, useless but cool), glass fiber plastic, $21 each, very aggressive value'proposition.

The vaon is likely produced by the same oem that made the overpriced Phantek T30, which also has 3phase + rpm target.

T30 is way overpriced.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 03 March 2025, 08:00:05
It is Friday, Phinix has broken the F5 switch and needs a replacement.

Yeah, F5 is gonna use its lifespan of 50mil hits tomorrow :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 March 2025, 15:45:07
Brohhhh....

1st set of fans arrived Arctic P12max. Crazy preliminary results after deshroud / mounting 3x120mm.


RPM matched. 2000 rpm.

Stock fans, 52 C, 84 C hotspot
Arctic p12max, 49 C, 74 C hotspot

Thermal paste (ptm7950) Untouched, the shroud was removable without removing heatsink, so the ptm7950 was already fully cycled and cured.

Freakn' amazing..  :D


$850 7900xtx powercolor red devil,  Gpu fans are always pretty weak. They're only half the depth (thickness) of regular fans ontop of smaller diameter.

Minimum speed in the card's bios is also 35%, so stock fans run 1000rpm at minimum, not loud, but you can definitely hear it + the bearing.

These p12max fans can go down to 371 rpm idle. Can not hear it whatsoever.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 March 2025, 18:52:26
Fan Control is so amazing. Crazy good software. It's just, wow, works perfect.  Auto calibration is messed up and inaccurate, but other than that. It's awesome.

Don't use auto cal, because it doesn't set fan start and stop values correctly.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 07:10:25
Fan Control.  It's amazing. Wonderous application.

If they could add a logic where the curve can respond to multiple sensors, depending on which one is higher. Then that's PERFECT.

Edit: OMG it is perfect, it can respond to multiple sensors on 1 curve. OMG...

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 13:02:11
Oof, this takes Tp4 back. Classsic

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 13:56:06
Antec nova just arrived. This material is prettttty skook'ms. Glass fiber plastic isn't exactly new, buh..Finally trending.

Rigidity is very high. These are new for the year, so the molds aren't way overshot.

Blades are really heavy, spin up will be slower, not a huge problem, but probably higher current on ramp.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 15:46:42
U know whuuhh.. 

RPM matched, performance is identical between the Arctic and Nova.

Buhtt, the Arctic has a distinctly lower pitch wind noise.  Starting to believe dat German Engineering.

415watt gpu Celcius, Core, Hotspot, Ram

Nova,

3200rpm  48 73 78
1820rpm  52 77 81

Arctic

3100rpm 48 73 78
1824rpm 52 78 82
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 16:18:28
Ok yea, back and forth several times now.

Quite distinct. Beyond the 1700rpm range, the Novas have a higher pitch whine.

This is certainly influenced by heatsink dynamics. But that's why testing is important. If you just went by specs or some internet review, even with due diligence, it's impossible to know where the pitch gets annoying in your specific setup. No substitute for live action.

Quite the upset.

$10 beating $22.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 04 March 2025, 17:09:51
tp, you have too much time on your hands ;)
I used to play around with my hardware a lot back in the days, but its old times for me now...
Nowadays I buy new stuff, install it and forget.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 17:43:45
tp, you have too much time on your hands ;)
I used to play around with my hardware a lot back in the days, but its old times for me now...
Nowadays I buy new stuff, install it and forget.

When pc hardware is the only constant in this modern dystopia. One has to make do.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 04 March 2025, 17:56:35
tp, you have too much time on your hands ;)
I used to play around with my hardware a lot back in the days, but its old times for me now...
Nowadays I buy new stuff, install it and forget.

When pc hardware is the only constant in this modern dystopia. One has to make do.


..that and veggies :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 18:05:59

Always veggies.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 04 March 2025, 18:47:24
ended up caving in on my words of not buying a new gpu, new 4080 super FE coming into my possession tomorrow. I'm hyped to get it in the rig but not actually sure the safest way to connect it to my old gen sf750 psu lol. hopefully I don't start one of those fabled gpu cable fires. my current GPU is mounted upside down (nr200p inverted) with the cable being pretty bent so I think I'll need to remove one of the case fans that's limiting the clearance of the gpu power cables.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 March 2025, 18:53:44
You can buy the multimeter with the current clamp.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Tue, 04 March 2025, 18:59:45
Yeah, F5 is gonna use its lifespan of 50mil hits tomorrow :D

Hope you caught the 5070 reviews today. Consensus seems to just be "wait until tomorrow". Gamers Nexus evidently already benched the 9070 and 9070 XT and more or less 'strongly implied' that one of the two is at least as powerful as a 7900XT, and within punching distance of a 4080 at times.

When pc hardware is the only constant in this modern dystopia. One has to make do.[/size][/color]

Me being a habitual cheapskate has taken me down many a rabbit hole with PC building that I could've/should've just avoided outright. Any sane person would have bought a new case like... yesterday, but instead I'm here showering myself with metal dust from the Dremel and swearing at my 3D printer.

But I'm having fun! I think... :-\

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 05 March 2025, 03:12:53
Yeah, F5 is gonna use its lifespan of 50mil hits tomorrow :D

Hope you caught the 5070 reviews today. Consensus seems to just be "wait until tomorrow". Gamers Nexus evidently already benched the 9070 and 9070 XT and more or less 'strongly implied' that one of the two is at least as powerful as a 7900XT, and within punching distance of a 4080 at times.

When pc hardware is the only constant in this modern dystopia. One has to make do.[/size][/color]

Me being a habitual cheapskate has taken me down many a rabbit hole with PC building that I could've/should've just avoided outright. Any sane person would have bought a new case like... yesterday, but instead I'm here showering myself with metal dust from the Dremel and swearing at my 3D printer.

But I'm having fun! I think... :-\

Yep, saw the reviews. For me 5070 is alraedy good upgrade, even if the card itself should have been somewhere higer.
Cyberpunk - my 3070 = 30fps, 5070 - 49fps. It is almost 60% increase in this particular game.

However, also noticed that FE won't be available today, but end of March, which I want. So I may see and maybe try to buy 9070XT instead tomorrow :)
AMD releases reviews today, so lets see :) Maybe I would get 9070XT, then in 2 years new 6070 FE, if comes out with proper power increase.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 05 March 2025, 04:05:15
Why, back in 2016 my computer was just about the best money could buy! You could play Witcher 3 on almost max settings!

now it can barely run multiple Firefox tabs  :'(
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 05 March 2025, 04:22:34
Why, back in 2016 my computer was just about the best money could buy! You could play Witcher 3 on almost max settings!

now it can barely run multiple Firefox tabs  :'(

This is something that I don't get either - looking at new games, why they always so demanding? I don't really see improvement in graphics compared to games from last 2 years.
My beloved Witcher 3 can now run at 100fps in 4K, yes, but its 10 years old game!  Why every new generation of GPUs, lets take mid range **70 cards from nvidia always strugle at 4K level, barely going over 40fps in newest games? Are those games not optimised properly? Why do we have to constantly upgrade GPUs to keep new games running at decent level?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 March 2025, 06:46:19
Developers don't optimize their Enthusiast settings.

They just take their medium settings parameters, then multiply by 4-10x, the only thing they check is that it's just barely playable on the newest GPU.


Firefox issue is mainly just their internal spy-on-the-user updates. Surveillance Capitalism is what they call it. 1984's Big.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 March 2025, 07:47:31
Best Tp4 can describe,  the Nova sounds like, shheeeeh, Arctic sounds like, hhhrrrrreenhnmmm
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 March 2025, 08:17:20
Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 05 March 2025, 10:32:58
...and I'm still trying to catch 5070, only Palit left, but shop was flooded and couldn't buy it, now they waiting with activating BUY button :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Wed, 05 March 2025, 10:53:14
Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

Single digit percentage points from a 4080 Super (outside of RT) for - the people who are lucky and/or quick enough - $600. That's pretty enticing.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Wed, 05 March 2025, 14:29:19
Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

Single digit percentage points from a 4080 Super (outside of RT) for - th, people who are lucky and/or quick enough - $600. That's pretty enticing.

I think the $600 part will be a bit of a pipe dream, but only time will tell. I'm assuming most will end paying between the $700-$800 mark.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Wed, 05 March 2025, 14:32:12
GPUs are like any other good. The price will reflect the performance. Unless they are legally held liable to sell MSRP cards, every single manufacturer will price them for profit. GN did a report yesterday specifically calling out the 5070Ti MSRP of $750 as a crock and how every board partner was charging between high 800s low 900s, except for a single SKU which was not found at online retailers. If Nvidia actually cared we would have these cards available and available for MSRP, but greed is gonna greed.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 02:54:01
RGB fans.    Yes o' No.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 06 March 2025, 03:03:28
I've never cared for the RGB trend. Give me a super clean, high-quality build any day of the week.

I have seen some clean builds using white leds though, but it has to be restrained and classy  ;)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 06 March 2025, 04:25:23
Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

They won't put the XT on sale any time soon, but they will do the non-xt and both 7900. If they do drop the 7900 much at all they too become pretty really good choices as well )not that they weren't before.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 06:13:12
I'll try to catch XT today, 2 hours from now... all prepared on website, payment pre-set, basket empty and cleaned up, F5 keycap shiny as hell, polished, switch lubed and ready to be abused :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 07:46:17
Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

They won't put the XT on sale any time soon, but they will do the non-xt and both 7900. If they do drop the 7900 much at all they too become pretty really good choices as well )not that they weren't before.

Internet says the Big Heatsink 9070xt ones will be $730.  Which is reasonable.  Hopefully we get some $600 though. Because you put ptm on it, you don't need too huge a heatsink for 350watts.

The 7900xt and xtx are pretty much fully dried up.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 08:56:40
For last 45 minutes I've been trying to get through cart to checkout...
Time-outs, 1000s of *******s sitting in that shop...

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:00:27
Went through to payment...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:08:08
Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:13:00
Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations

Not yet tp, time-outs all the time, for last hour... :(
I keep refreshing to payment...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:15:28
Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations

Not yet tp, time-outs all the time, for last hour... :(
I keep refreshing to payment...

F5 working hard!
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:21:28
Tp00r4 went to the outside this morning, and bought a used 2024 christmas walmart Grail PC off facebook . Talked him down to $800. Pretty decent deal.  7700 (nonx-cpu), xfx 7900gre, 2tb westernD blue 580, 32gb hynix teamgroup, 5 argb fans (2000rpm), 850w power supply, 240mm AIO.

Hell of a time figuring out how to configure the RGB. If the pump rgb is connected with the fans, the mobo detects a different standard for the pump, and the fans tweak out.

So gotta remove the pump RGB, detect, then put pump back. It was wired from the factory all to 1 single ARGB header. Probably because of this configuration problem with mismatched rgb controls between hardware.


Tp4 usin' dat Cybrpnk' Edgerunner color scheme.

Kind of slightly upset, that the color management on either the fans or the mobo skews the white point so much such that you can't get a very good yellow. It's far more green than yellow.    The Purple looks pretty decent.

Water pump is blech, brrrr noise.  The reviews about the powersupply are right, it's way too loud. It's a 140mm fan, but Tp4 don't have any extras, so just swapped it with a 120 from the thermalright c12 5pack. Set it to respond to GPU+CPU temp sensors using fancontrol. Way quieter.

Testing the Board power Mosfets now. Seeing if it can overheat.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:34:29
Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations

Not yet tp, time-outs all the time, for last hour... :(
I keep refreshing to payment...

F5 working hard!


Website is down...

I may have lost my basket item.. F5 F5 F5!!!  :eek:
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:49:25
Clicked PAY NOW.
timed out... :(
Trying again...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:56:49
Clicked PAY NOW.
timed out... :(
Trying again...

The market is crazy.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Thu, 06 March 2025, 09:58:54
Clicked PAY NOW.
timed out... :(
Trying again...

Fingers crossed!

The standard 9070 is apparently quite good too. Also sounds like in-person stock - at least at Microcenter - seems to be decent. Online is the same old story.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 10:26:46
This pc can pull pretty hard.

79 watt during memory training (boot)
140 watt boot
72 watt desktop idle
110 watt youtube 4K playback
225 watt CPU full load
600 watt CPU + GPU full load, 7700+7900gre, full overclock.

It is slightly thermal throttling when in furmark + cpu burner.

This low tier 850w PSU should handle it, so the margin is there, buhh.. Tp4 would call it tight.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 10:51:40
Sigh.. now trying to find the "right shade of purple" cables to match the lights.

God damn it, there aren't that many purples available and they're all wrong.

Guess maybe go with pink, but.. hrrrm...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 11:59:29
NoPe, Black is the only color that matches at all.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 15:17:14
Certified by Tp4, Double PHD in Jank and Poortitude.

-1 directional-airflow from removing clear plastic air-guide
-1, 400 fewer rpm
+1 flow-turbulence
+2 silent
+1 motherboard pwm control
+0.5 no grill (flow obstruction)
+0.5 no ball bearing noise
= +3 Mod performance.

Stock fan is horrible. Idle rpm too high + sloppy bearings

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 16:26:46
Jeeeez... spent whole day in front of PC trying to get that card...
Last batch of 9070XT was released after 10pm. 300 cards went out in about 30 seconds.
...
but I got one :)

Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB

Daaaaaiiiiimmmm! My first RED card. 3070 is going out on ebay now.


P.S.
I need a new psu... :/
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 March 2025, 16:28:50
The only difference between PSUs in reality is whether or not they increase coil whine with a specific GPU.  Trial and error unfortunately.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 06 March 2025, 16:49:05
I'm a bit worried about not being able to run GTA6 when it comes out. But then again, if I had $5k laying around I'd get a car, not a new pc.
It seems like pc prices have increased over the past couple years, do you think lower income people will eventually get priced out of being able to afford computers and internet?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Thu, 06 March 2025, 18:01:14
Jeeeez... spent whole day in front of PC trying to get that card...
Last batch of 9070XT was released after 10pm. 300 cards went out in about 30 seconds.
...
but I got one :)

Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB

Daaaaaiiiiimmmm! My first RED card. 3070 is going out on ebay now.


P.S.
I need a new psu... :/

Congrats! I think you're gonna really like it.

Surprised Sapphire went with 12VHPWR for their cards. Especially not shunting them properly in regards to overcurrent protection (though I guess an ATX 3.0 PSU would handle that). Don't imagine it would be an issue at that power draw though.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Thu, 06 March 2025, 18:47:51
I'm a bit worried about not being able to run GTA6 when it comes out. But then again, if I had $5k laying around I'd get a car, not a new pc.
It seems like pc prices have increased over the past couple years, do you think lower income people will eventually get priced out of being able to afford computers and internet?

Good news, it won't come out for PC for 6 months to a year after it releases on the first batch of consoles.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 18:55:51
Jeeeez... spent whole day in front of PC trying to get that card...
Last batch of 9070XT was released after 10pm. 300 cards went out in about 30 seconds.
...
but I got one :)

Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB

Daaaaaiiiiimmmm! My first RED card. 3070 is going out on ebay now.


P.S.
I need a new psu... :/

Congrats! I think you're gonna really like it.

Surprised Sapphire went with 12VHPWR for their cards. Especially not shunting them properly in regards to overcurrent protection (though I guess an ATX 3.0 PSU would handle that). Don't imagine it would be an issue at that power draw though.

This one has 2x8pin sockets. I have SFX 600W PSU, but going to swap it with SFX Antec SF850X 850 Watt
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 19:17:47
tp, you are the RED side specialist - please tell me what should I know about those AMD cards.
What apps do I need to install?
So their DLSS is called FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 4 with AI Upscaling?
FreeSync is nvidia's Gsync, for vrr.

Drivers - I bought Sapphire, but for drivers I go to AMD here (https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/graphics/radeon-rx/radeon-rx-9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt.html)?
Should I go with Adrenalin Edition 770MB file?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 06 March 2025, 19:21:03
Wow, prices just went up now, after initial batch of cards went out for MSRP £569.99
Now its £629.99
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 00:02:54
tp, you are the RED side specialist - please tell me what should I know about those AMD cards.
What apps do I need to install?
So their DLSS is called FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 4 with AI Upscaling?
FreeSync is nvidia's Gsync, for vrr.

Drivers - I bought Sapphire, but for drivers I go to AMD here (https://www.amd.com/en/support/downloads/drivers.html/graphics/radeon-rx/radeon-rx-9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt.html)?
Should I go with Adrenalin Edition 770MB file?

Ngreedia used AI to bad-mouth AMD.

Everything works exactly like you'd expect. Drivers are stable. Some very old games might be badly supported but, mainly because they were bad from the getgo, like cnc4 tiberium twilight.

Yes get the Adrenalin drivers.

VRR works as well as Gsync.

FSR4 just like DLSS is hit or miss because it requires game engine support from developers. It's spotty on both sides outside of BIG studios with bigger support group.



Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 01:01:02
Staring @ dat rjibii all day. 

Some reflections.

The main problem which occurs when rjibii looks bad, is when young people fill up all the slots.

Shadow is its own color.  Without contrast, the rjibii looks bawdy.

The light should provide Accent/Highlight, without calling too much attention to itself.


All computers dress themselves up to _Be attractive, but Restraint is the line between elegance and prostitution.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 07 March 2025, 04:12:18
The only difference between PSUs in reality is whether or not they increase coil whine with a specific GPU.  Trial and error unfortunately.
A lot of older and cheaper PSUs had some issues with 30 and 40 series GPUs due to how they handle transition loads (low power to high power suddenly), so you do need a new-ish design and enough power. At this point there's enough people with newer cards and PSUs that reviews should cover if there's an issue but it can be a problem.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 07 March 2025, 04:22:42
The only difference between PSUs in reality is whether or not they increase coil whine with a specific GPU.  Trial and error unfortunately.
A lot of older and cheaper PSUs had some issues with 30 and 40 series GPUs due to how they handle transition loads (low power to high power suddenly), so you do need a new-ish design and enough power. At this point there's enough people with newer cards and PSUs that reviews should cover if there's an issue but it can be a problem.

Leslieann, would me problem be related to what you just said - my daughter got 4070Super year ago and we've been having strange problem with it since installed it.
Randomly, monitor does not get signal from pc. Sometimes, it doesnt get signal from the moment pc is turned on, sometimes it doesn't get it when rebooted, or when waken up.
I need to turn it off and many times, unplug the gpu to get it sorted.
We changed everything, reinstalled windows, drivers, changed monitor, Displayport cable, PSU, gpu 12pin adapter, mobo, then whole new PC was bought.
Card went back to shop, but they sent it back as couldn't not find a fault :(
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 04:29:40
If you tested the card in a whole other pc, then it's probably the card. Try a different displayport and pcie.

If you're using high refresh, set it to 8bit instead of 10 or 12 see if that helps. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 10:20:12
okokok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 07 March 2025, 11:10:57
If you tested the card in a whole other pc, then it's probably the card. Try a different displayport and pcie.

If you're using high refresh, set it to 8bit instead of 10 or 12 see if that helps. 


I did all that.
Today noticed something in BIOS - thee is setting to pick PCIe gen, it was on Auto, so changed it to 4, will see if that helps...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 12:12:08
Today noticed something in BIOS - thee is setting to pick PCIe gen, it was on Auto, so changed it to 4, will see if that helps...

Might even change it to 2-3 just in case.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 13:20:11
The scythe Grand tornado just arrived.

RPM matched. Within 1degree of the Arctic.

However, one of the fans came with a busted bearing, very loud churning noise.   It seems quality control on these isn't great.  Otherwise, aesthetically the build quality is fine, not as rigid as the Nova, but pretty rigid..

The Arctic also has one fan with a slightly louder bearing, but not nearly to the extent as this Thoroughly busted one.


Kinda bummed that all these expensive fans are Mehhh...
:eek:
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 15:01:18
Cable combs makes Tp4 wnt to kill himself.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Fri, 07 March 2025, 18:07:52
okokok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?


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are you trying to go for a clean look? I'd just order a custom cable so you can get exactly what you want.

I was eyeing the 9070 release yesterday a bit, and looks like one of my local stores didn't even sell out of their more expensive 9070xt model. Newegg also didn't sell out of a mislabeled 9070xt for $800 last time I saw. I gave it some thought the night before and decided to stick with the 4080S I just got despite all this.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 18:20:44
Tp4 bough dat sleeved extensions w/ the combs, the 8pin is reasonable enough to work with, but it's very difficult to artistically-Pose the 24pin, it just kinda looks bad no matter how you fanaggle it.

The 180 adapter seems the only way to clean it up.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 18:35:39
8pin looks good,

The 24pin looks awful Tp4, just kill yourself.
  :-X

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 21:23:17
What happened to RGB power supplies?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 07 March 2025, 21:32:17
yaaaawn, wake me when quantum computers are commercially available

Upgrades these days are like, spend $5k for 6% more power then another $5k in 2 years. Nonsense. Software does not progress that quickly, it's all fomo bull**** people are falling for.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 March 2025, 22:01:28
In the aliexpress app,  when you're searching for PC stuff,  they insert ads for "fat burning, weightloss essential oils" So the little video is just people rubbing this oil into their belly, and then CGI of this yellow fat disappearing.  It's pretty hilarious.

Guess the algorithm positively correlates eating too much with computer parts?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 08 March 2025, 00:14:19
In the aliexpress app,  when you're searching for PC stuff,  they insert ads for "fat burning, weightloss essential oils" So the little video is just people rubbing this oil into their belly, and then CGI of this yellow fat disappearing.  It's pretty hilarious.

Guess the algorithm positively correlates eating too much with computer parts?


they just do that anyway, I've only ever bought knock-off action figures and instruments off there and all my suggestions are for **** enhancement pills and extremely slutty women's clothing. "We see you purchased this steel drum, how about a red latex mini skirt to go with it?"
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 March 2025, 08:11:17
In the aliexpress app,  when you're searching for PC stuff,  they insert ads for "fat burning, weightloss essential oils" So the little video is just people rubbing this oil into their belly, and then CGI of this yellow fat disappearing.  It's pretty hilarious.

Guess the algorithm positively correlates eating too much with computer parts?


they just do that anyway, I've only ever bought knock-off action figures and instruments off there and all my suggestions are for **** enhancement pills and extremely slutty women's clothing. "We see you purchased this steel drum, how about a red latex mini skirt to go with it?"

It just means, the average person who buys knock-off action figures and instruments  are also mostly interested in wii-pills and weekend cross-dressing, and/or more-probably lingerie for their surrogate wifu dolls..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 08 March 2025, 09:09:35
okok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?
the more connectors the higher risk of problems.
It's less an issue than it used to be, we used to say absolutely do not use them, but there is still risks.

My advice, make sure things are stable then ad them and see what happens. If things start going unstable later, these are a good place to start.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 March 2025, 09:16:54
okok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?
the more connectors the higher risk of problems.
It's less an issue than it used to be, we used to say absolutely do not use them, but there is still risks.

My advice, make sure things are stable then ad them and see what happens. If things start going unstable later, these are a good place to start.

A big issue is they always use the snap on plastics for the covers now. If they used screws, you could open them up more readily and check the soldering.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 08 March 2025, 09:19:25
Leslieann, would me problem be related to what you just said - my daughter got 4070Super year ago and we've been having strange problem with it since installed it.
Randomly, monitor does not get signal from pc. Sometimes, it doesnt get signal from the moment pc is turned on, sometimes it doesn't get it when rebooted, or when waken up.
I need to turn it off and many times, unplug the gpu to get it sorted.
We changed everything, reinstalled windows, drivers, changed monitor, Displayport cable, PSU, gpu 12pin adapter, mobo, then whole new PC was bought.
Card went back to shop, but they sent it back as couldn't not find a fault :(
I doubt it, this usually only had problems on major scene changes when the card has to ramp up fast.
This is usually either an incompatible pcie version, as you tried, manually set it and you may need to drop down another gen, or a monitor or cable issue. Another possibility I have had is issues with monitors waking due to how a card wakes it, but also the connection type. If your card has an HDMI port, use that, even with an adapter to Display Port. Modern ports do some weird things. You could also dry HDMI on the monitor as well. See if some ports act different, but it sounds like a pcie gen issue more than anything.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 March 2025, 09:22:39
Also, cables @ high refresh rate are dodgy. You might have to go through a few to get a good one.

Zeskit and Cable Matter has been decent. But you still get duds.

Tp4 suspeeescccts, it's an issue with DSC.  DSC is a huge problem on nvidia, and you can't turn it off with the current tools available. It ignores edid edit.

There might be a cable interceptor that can disable dsc and let you edit edid in more detail, but these aren't cheap.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 March 2025, 10:20:03
Not gon' Lie,

Cybrpower's stock fans AF120 Fluid bearing is actually really good quality.  The molds are good, not overshot. Clean lines, well designed frame, economically light to produce but fairly rigid using plastic in the right places. 

Yea the screw holes are kinda crap and crack, but they spent the money where it counts. You can always ziptie if it goes bad.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 March 2025, 11:07:50
Christ, 140mm reverse argb fans, the prices.....!!
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 March 2025, 13:03:06
It's just too expensive. $30-50,  Tp4 will have to settle for regular, $6. sigh..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Sat, 08 March 2025, 16:39:02
What happened to RGB power supplies?

Aren't most cases these days shoving the PSU in a hidden cavity?

They'd make RGB screws if they could find a way.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 March 2025, 18:36:21
Tp4, taking gekhrs back to the year 2003, Rjibi p0wrsupply.

140mm rgb, actually bigger than the stock 135mm fan (nonstandard).

The rear 140 is mounted externally, because the top 240 radiator is too far back after moving the rear 120 to the top.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 08 March 2025, 19:20:53
Leslieann, would me problem be related to what you just said - my daughter got 4070Super year ago and we've been having strange problem with it since installed it.
Randomly, monitor does not get signal from pc. Sometimes, it doesnt get signal from the moment pc is turned on, sometimes it doesn't get it when rebooted, or when waken up.
I need to turn it off and many times, unplug the gpu to get it sorted.
We changed everything, reinstalled windows, drivers, changed monitor, Displayport cable, PSU, gpu 12pin adapter, mobo, then whole new PC was bought.
Card went back to shop, but they sent it back as couldn't not find a fault :(
I doubt it, this usually only had problems on major scene changes when the card has to ramp up fast.
This is usually either an incompatible pcie version, as you tried, manually set it and you may need to drop down another gen, or a monitor or cable issue. Another possibility I have had is issues with monitors waking due to how a card wakes it, but also the connection type. If your card has an HDMI port, use that, even with an adapter to Display Port. Modern ports do some weird things. You could also dry HDMI on the monitor as well. See if some ports act different, but it sounds like a pcie gen issue more than anything.

Thanks. I've changed it from auto to gen4. We'll see if those issues come back now...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Sat, 08 March 2025, 19:34:00
Thanks. I've changed it from auto to gen4. We'll see if those issues come back now...

Hopefully that does the trick. I experienced BSODs and random freezes after I installed a vertical GPU riser that ended up causing a PCIe version mismatch. Manually adjusting the version in BIOS to match the riser fixed it.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Sat, 08 March 2025, 20:24:09
Tp4, taking gekhrs back to the year 2003, Rjibi p0wrsupply.

Lol, I love how I was mouthing off about how ridiculous RGB PSUs would be, and your post reminded me that I had this monstrosity in my old Acer, circa 2012.

http://www.rmac.kingwin.com/products/cate/power_supplies/abt_800MA1S.asp (http://www.rmac.kingwin.com/products/cate/power_supplies/abt_800MA1S.asp)

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Nothing screams "QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE" like light up aircraft connectors on your semi-modular PSU for no explicable reason.

It died right after the three-year warranty expired, IIRC.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 March 2025, 07:36:47
You know dat clear piece of plastic airguide inside PSUs.

Would really like to know How-many degrees does it actually improve performance. Virtually all psu vendors have it.

Do they even test it?  Surely when the airflow impedance of the components change with layout, a different length of cover may be better / worse.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 March 2025, 07:45:19
Listening to dis' while tweakn' dat PC cables.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 March 2025, 12:45:26
These refurb 980 pro ssds from bestbuy, Kinda sus.

1.835tb written, 2 power on count.

So, excluding the time Tp4 just turned it on,  it was powered on 1 other time for secure erase? 

It's very likely they've salvaged these from somewhere and rewrittened the Smartdata.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 March 2025, 13:43:59
Looked up some stuffs.

This drive was likely used for Chia mining.

There is some white powdery thermal compound residue that isn't the normal silicone oil from thermal pads. It's a paste of sorts.

This would indicate, it's a bigger cooling apparatus not typical server/ household use.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 March 2025, 13:48:04
Here is what Tp4 is suspecting.

Bestbuy/ other retailers have a cabal in the back room, running Chia mining.

It's NOT corporate, it's the nightly Warehouse crew.  They're taking these drives in, running Chia, then sold off as refurbs after resetting smart data.

Selling them off as refurb, most people arn't the wiser.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 March 2025, 14:22:09
This is 1 good looking heatsink.

The offset pipes, so wow, much artistic.

Don't buy these though, unless you cut the cord on the fan, because 1 the cord is ugly, 2, these fans run 3000-6000rpm.

Out of no where, you're doom scrolling, and ZZZZZZzzzz,

Tp4 made that mistake with the HR10 pro, also a good looking heatsink..

Unless you guyzus actually scrub /render 8k footage, just get the bigger passive sinks.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 March 2025, 19:49:42
When you buy a fan quoted for 1500rpm, and it only runs 1430.

You own me 70rpm thermalright.

.. Tp4 seethed in anger.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 10 March 2025, 13:46:45
Honestly,  Motherboards look better without the VRM heatsinks, because all the little chips and capacitors look cool. If they spent the $$ on more vrm stages instead, they could easily obviate the need for heatsinking. Not that there's much of a reason for them in the first place assuming normal case use.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 10 March 2025, 21:49:17
Ok, This movie playback PC, full spec.

AMD Ryzen 7700 (non x)
XFX Radeon 7900gre
MSI Pro B650-VC wifi
Western Digital 850x 2TB
Western Digital SN580 Blue 2TB
TeamGroup DDR5 6000, 2x16GB cl 28.38.38.96
Apevia Prestige 850W Gold (C-tier)
PTM 7950 Cpu/Gpu application
Cyberpower 008 Case
Cyberpower 240 AIO
5x Cyberpower AF120 argb 2000rpm fan
2x Thermalright C14C argb fan 1430rpm
2x Thermalright HR10 SSD heatsink
Sirlyr PSU Cable extensions.

Total cost: $1032

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 11 March 2025, 10:20:57
Addiction to runaway consumerism.

Tp4 mulls over his compulsion to purchase $20 cyberpunk holographic stickers.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 11 March 2025, 16:45:50
Keep AIO or remove AIO.

They're so dangerous.

Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 

240 aio can hold 90C, whereas 360aio can hold 80-85ish,

Heasinks pretty much just go to 90-95 unless in open air, and they're slightly slower in heatmass transit.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Tue, 11 March 2025, 20:56:33
Keep AIO or remove AIO.

They're so dangerous.

Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 

240 aio can hold 90C, whereas 360aio can hold 80-85ish,

Heasinks pretty much just go to 90-95 unless in open air, and they're slightly slower in heatmass transit.


I won't buy another AIO. Not because I have ever had an issues with my AIO. They are closed looped systems. Intentional e-waste. Noctua continues to make mounts for their legacy heat sinks decades later.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 11 March 2025, 21:10:19
I feel like people should buy the delid tool instead.  it's $60, and it reduces temp by 20-25C, on any cooler, so, that's better than any AIO.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 12 March 2025, 05:19:03
Keep AIO or remove AIO.

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Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 
Those temps are ridiculous, it's a 65watt cpu, any decent cooler should keep it well under the limit.

I'm using a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 that I got for about $40 and I think the most I've seen is 80c. It rarely breaks 75c.  My Intel 8700k, a 150watt (?) cpu that can hit 200+(?) never hit 90c and that was with a 90mm Noctua NHU-9S in a large toaster size case. You don't need a 240mm AIO let alone a 360.

If you are hitting those temps, your case is the problem, not the cooler.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 March 2025, 08:23:28
Keep AIO or remove AIO.

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Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 
Those temps are ridiculous, it's a 65watt cpu, any decent cooler should keep it well under the limit.

I'm using a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 that I got for about $40 and I think the most I've seen is 80c. It rarely breaks 75c.  My Intel 8700k, a 150watt (?) cpu that can hit 200+(?) never hit 90c and that was with a 90mm Noctua NHU-9S in a large toaster size case. You don't need a 240mm AIO let alone a 360.

If you are hitting those temps, your case is the problem, not the cooler.

LLann, you have a 7800x3d. That chip is very fast at a very low tdp, with PBO, it peaks at 87watts yet outperforms 7700 at 128watts

But that's why you're seeing lower temps. 7800x3d is a special chip.

All the other Zen4 Zen5 run extremely hot.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 March 2025, 15:51:36
Omg, these heatsinks is look so gud' on black mobo.  :D

Gloss mirror finished stripes.

/Shiny.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 March 2025, 16:18:44
Performance test, vs bare-drives,  -10C top slot (sn850x 2tb), -18C bottom slot (sn580 2tb).  :eek:


Allegedly, people have reported sn580 is a hot drive because its controller may be working harder on average, being hbm and dramless.

Not sure if this is an accurate interpretation.

In any case, HR10s work really well passive w/ normal case airflow.  Case fans 670rpm, gpu fan 572rpm

Tp4's other 4TB SN850x in another pc runs 38C idle on mobo stock heatsink 3C hotter than HR10. Supposedly the HR10 is 60,000mm squared surface area. Quite alot to dissipate 2-10watts.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 13 March 2025, 06:15:09
All the other Zen4 Zen5 run extremely hot.
Still shouldn't need a 240 just to avoid hitting peak.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 07:10:00
All the other Zen4 Zen5 run extremely hot.
Still shouldn't need a 240 just to avoid hitting peak.

The 90-95 peaks on a 240 aio, are cpu burner/ prime temps, which saturates the 130watt of the 7700.  Normal use, it goes as high as 80c-85c.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:30:07
OK.  9070 XT is now installed.
I've installed drivers (Adrenaline), but screen looks horrible, like dull colors, too high contrast or something.
What do I need to change in settings to make it look nice?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:31:44
You might be in HDR mode.

Turn off HDR mode.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:32:48
You might be in HDR mode.

Turn off HDR mode.


its off, I checked it straight away.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:35:29
This is on your CX or the C4?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:37:07
it all looks harsh, dont knwo how to describe, like bad HDR, text has white areola around...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:37:19
This is on your CX or the C4?

C4
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:38:29
This is on your CX or the C4?

C4

Set the Color Gamut to Native instead of auto detect on the c4.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:38:34
display settings look good.
4K res, 144hz, 10bit, rgb.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:42:28
Geekhack orange is like faded color, greyed, pale orange.
I've seen this before, cannot remember what it was...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:43:36
Geekhack orange is like faded color, greyed, pale orange.
I've seen this before, cannot remember what it was...

It's probably auto clamping the gamut.

Check that setting. Change it to Native gamut on the C4, Make sure you're in PC mode.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:44:22
This is on your CX or the C4?

C4

Set the Color Gamut to Native instead of auto detect on the c4.

it is native.

When had nvidia card in it just minute ago, it was fine.
After installing drivers it happened.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:46:11
Is it games and things or only Chrome Browser.


There was a bug from years ago where you have to turn off color management in Chrome and firefox. Because it forced an srgb color correction.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:49:00
Is it games and things or only Chrome Browser.


There was a bug from years ago where you have to turn off color management in Chrome and firefox. Because it forced an srgb color correction.


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looks like it is everything, word, windows explorer.

I use chrome.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:50:12
Chrome is here.  Set to enabled and srgb, to disable color correction.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:57:08
Chrome is here.  Set to enabled and srgb, to disable color correction.

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did that, nothing changed.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 14:58:00
it looks like this.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 15:05:30
Check if the OS's night light setting and stuff is off.

If not that. It might be something on the LG, game optimizer, dynamic processing settings.

See if the Contrast / Brightness setting helps at all.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 15:08:12
It might be DSC,

You can use CRU to set the EDID, and then save, then reboot.

The total chunk has to be blank. Other boxes unchecked like in the photo. Don't touch the settings outside the display stream compression  yellow box.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 15:14:01
It might be DSC,

You can use CRU to set the EDID, and then save, then reboot.

The total chunk has to be blank. Other boxes unchecked like in the photo. Don't touch the settings outside the display stream compression  yellow box.


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what is that app?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 15:15:15
CRU, toastyX.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 15:16:39
Use WhatColor to check the pixel value.

If it's matching Tp4's , then the GPU/Windows should be outputting the right color, and it is more likely the TV side.

All else fails, DDU, try re-installing driver.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 15:17:49
I got this..

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 15:23:12
I got this..

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Yea you're in the right menu.  Disable the dsc options like in my photo, and change chunk to blank.


Also try 120hz instead of 144, sometimes Displays use different maps between refreshrates.

Is VRR turned on ?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 16:04:32
I got this..

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Yea you're in the right menu.  Disable the dsc options like in my photo, and change chunk to blank.


Also try 120hz instead of 144, sometimes Displays use different maps between refreshrates.

Is VRR turned on ?


vrr where?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 16:22:06
I got this..

(Attachment Link)

Yea you're in the right menu.  Disable the dsc options like in my photo, and change chunk to blank.


Also try 120hz instead of 144, sometimes Displays use different maps between refreshrates.

Is VRR turned on ?


vrr where?

Before you try VRR, none of the other stuff worked? DDU etc?

Try unplugging and replugging the hdmi after the pc has already booted and you've logged in.



VRR amd setting is here. Gear icon, Display. If it says not supported, you need to change some setting on the LG.

For example, I have to change to game mode on my samsung for vrr.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:03:51
I got this..

(Attachment Link)

Yea you're in the right menu.  Disable the dsc options like in my photo, and change chunk to blank.


Also try 120hz instead of 144, sometimes Displays use different maps between refreshrates.

Is VRR turned on ?


vrr where?

Before you try VRR, none of the other stuff worked? DDU etc?

Try unplugging and replugging the hdmi after the pc has already booted and you've logged in.



VRR amd setting is here. Gear icon, Display. If it says not supported, you need to change some setting on the LG.

For example, I have to change to game mode on my samsung for vrr.

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vrr is enabled.

Re-plugging hdmi did not work. Could it be cable itself? I was fine for nvidia card...

How can I make sure I entirely uninstalled nvidia drivers, in case it had something to do with the problem?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:16:25
DDU is the uninstaller.

Download the latest DDU verison, then boot into safe mode, and run it.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:20:35
The display setting screen looks like this ?

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:26:23
drivers uninstalled.
Now, apart from that there are no drivers and screen is in 720p odd resolution, colors are fine, like before card installation.
So now will try to install adrenaline...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:27:16
drivers uninstalled.
Now, apart from that there are no drivers and screen is in 720p odd resolution, colors are fine, like before card installation.
So now will try to install adrenaline...

Did you do it via DDU? if it doesn't work, give DDU a try in safe mode.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:32:49
drivers uninstalled.
Now, apart from that there are no drivers and screen is in 720p odd resolution, colors are fine, like before card installation.
So now will try to install adrenaline...

Did you do it via DDU? if it doesn't work, give DDU a try in safe mode.


Yes, DDU. I did not do safe mode but it worked as it uninstalled everything and colors went back to normal.

Now Adrenaline is installed and it came back :(

Everything is pale, also like heavy sharpening was applied.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:37:47
pale AND saturated?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:39:30
pale AND saturated?

sorry, my mistake, pale. also like heavily sharpened, like when you apply sharpening to a photo when editing, it becomes grainy and pale.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:40:53
Is the C4 hdmi in PC mode?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:41:44
Is the C4 hdmi in PC mode?


yyyyy.... wait....
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 18:50:31
Duuuuuuuude!

I switched on 4:4:4 pass through and it worked!

I knew how to get in PC mode when had CX.
How do you do that on C4?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 19:00:16
Firstly, Phinix must admit AMD makes the most greatiest GPU on the planet, superior to Ngreedia in every way, and it was Ngreedia's fault that Phinix's TV did not properly respond to AMD's incalculably uncontainable greatness.

 :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 19:02:21
The reason the TV wasn't doing it right is because if it was taking in 4:2:0, it has to do chroma upsampling, and then sharpening.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 19:02:32
Firstly, Phinix must admit AMD makes the most greatiest GPU on the planet, superior to Ngreedia in every way, and it was Ngreedia's fault that Phinix's TV did not properly respond to AMD's incalculably uncontainable greatness.

 :D

Weeeeeelllll... maaaaaaaaybeeee..... donno... need to use it for longer.

Now, where is my Dead Space...

nvidia 3070    - ave 30fps
amd 9070 XT - ....
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 19:04:54
In the old LG menu, you had to rename it PC to make it pc mode, the new menu you just turn on 444 passthrough, Tp4 assumed phinix already did that. But forgotten he's new to C4.

Tp4 had owned a G3 briefly when shopping during samsung s90c vs G3.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 13 March 2025, 19:14:16
In the old LG menu, you had to rename it PC to make it pc mode, the new menu you just turn on 444 passthrough, Tp4 assumed phinix already did that. But forgotten he's new to C4.

Tp4 had owned a G3 briefly when shopping during samsung s90c vs G3.


Yeah, C4 is different than my old CX.

But cool, it works.

How can I display fps on screen while gaming with AMD?

Nevermind, I used Steam fps. Jeeez, DLSS quality, high settings - ave 80fps.
3070 had 30fps.

70fps with RTAA, with everything on Ultra! 3070 could not handle RT and Ultra settings.

GPU temp during 4k Dead Space gaming - 80C max, plus 3x quieter than 3070.

So to sum up:

Dead Space (4K, DLSS quality, high settings (max), RT on) ave fps:
3070 = 30fps
9070XT = 70fps

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 19:35:25
It should do well in Ray tracing.

You can also replace the in game dlss with later versions of FSR, but this is a can of worms.

I think it had FSR2 natively.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 19:38:05
Also, when you clean it next time, have the PTM7950 ready.


Don't forget you can get another 10% performance from undervolt+ overclock. It's really easy now. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 March 2025, 22:06:23
NE PC parts Tp4 should buy from the Canada just in case?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 March 2025, 09:21:44
Spent all of the previous evening researching "The Best Thermal Pads."

It would seem Aairhut is the top one buyable, BUHhhh, not legit sourced.  So There's really just the Thermalright Odyssey II, and Arctic TP-3 which are assured from "Legit Seller."

Thermal Grizzly pads are too overpriced for contention.

Also mentally Leaning, Thermal Putty, buhhh, it's just too icky, and again, source problem..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 March 2025, 10:50:29
Nevermind, I used Steam fps. Jeeez, DLSS quality, high settings - ave 80fps.
3070 had 30fps.

70fps with RTAA, with everything on Ultra! 3070 could not handle RT and Ultra settings.

GPU temp during 4k Dead Space gaming - 80C max, plus 3x quieter than 3070.
(Attachment Link)

AMD has their own overlay now, you go to hot keys in adrenaline and set it up.  Some other overlay tools can actually add input latency, particular if you use them to monitor GPU wattage.

What case is that. Are the top fans exhaust?

Is the bottom removable for a deshroud mod ?

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 14 March 2025, 15:15:35
Nevermind, I used Steam fps. Jeeez, DLSS quality, high settings - ave 80fps.
3070 had 30fps.

70fps with RTAA, with everything on Ultra! 3070 could not handle RT and Ultra settings.

GPU temp during 4k Dead Space gaming - 80C max, plus 3x quieter than 3070.
(Attachment Link)

AMD has their own overlay now, you go to hot keys in adrenaline and set it up.  Some other overlay tools can actually add input latency, particular if you use them to monitor GPU wattage.

What case is that. Are the top fans exhaust?

Is the bottom removable for a deshroud mod ?



Its Coolermaster NR200p.
Yes, top fans are exhaust.


Bottom of the case? Yes it is removable.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 March 2025, 15:26:42
Yea that's perfect for Deshroud modding.. No bottom, maximum air hole.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 March 2025, 16:22:11
Do Not Buy.

Trash level quality, Trash level design.

The internal strut providing the male end counter force is too thin, it compresses, and it's very difficult to get the pins to fully seat into the motherboard, You have to apply a dangerous amount of force.

This not only indents/ breaks that strut slightly, it's also not quite enough to fully seat the adapter.

The internal PCB is also indented/bent very close to where side pins are, one could easily imagine a cracked joint here or trace.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 March 2025, 18:43:40
This advertising is just,

What are they so happy about holding a pcie SSD in their hands?

I mean, you know it's just stock images they purchased with the hand pose, but what was the thought process behind making the image, what exactly are they trying to convey?


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 14 March 2025, 19:51:06
In the old LG menu, you had to rename it PC to make it pc mode, the new menu you just turn on 444 passthrough, Tp4 assumed phinix already did that. But forgotten he's new to C4.

Tp4 had owned a G3 briefly when shopping during samsung s90c vs G3.


Yeah, C4 is different than my old CX.

But cool, it works.

How can I display fps on screen while gaming with AMD?

Nevermind, I used Steam fps. Jeeez, DLSS quality, high settings - ave 80fps.
3070 had 30fps.

70fps with RTAA, with everything on Ultra! 3070 could not handle RT and Ultra settings.

GPU temp during 4k Dead Space gaming - 80C max, plus 3x quieter than 3070.

So to sum up:

Dead Space (4K, DLSS quality, high settings (max), RT on) ave fps:
3070 = 30fps
9070XT = 70fps

(Attachment Link)

Alone In The Dark (4K, Settings Cinematic (max), FSR off) ave fps:
3070 = 25fps
9070XT = 60fps
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 14 March 2025, 22:03:21
Hrrm... It seems like the 7900gre in this used Black Friday PC is already experiencing pump-out. If the original owner only got it in december, that's only 4 months of use.

GPU wattage is getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 March 2025, 09:44:05
Headsup on PTM

From reliable sources,  All mid-range cards and above have switched to PTM as stock paste. 

NO NEED to buy additional PTM for cards.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 March 2025, 20:54:29
Who the heck buys these Amazon prebuilts..

The pricing is terrible.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 March 2025, 11:48:05
Something is deeply wrong with a person when he sits in silence, listening to a single computer fan, flipping between 50rpm increments to subjectively characterize the perceived noise.

Oh wait, it's just TP4.

Really, think what has to happen to produce this kind of crazy, he has to be so detached from the natural world, for such an inane action to seem like a reasonable thing to be doing.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 March 2025, 09:27:35
The primary reason PCs look bad these days is simply, Too many fans.

Circles are good, but too many circles, it just looks crowded.

Unfortunately fans are the money maker, so these cases are really just designed to sell people m0ar fans.


Also, when did pci slot covers get so expensive.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 March 2025, 13:28:05
LED strimer cables only look good in the dark, off angle. when you can see the ends, they look jank.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 17 March 2025, 13:40:10
LED strimer cables only look good in the dark, off angle. when you can see the ends, they look jank.

I always found leds to be iffy, never looked like you would like them to look like.
I was a modder for many years and always tried to hide led lighting, so it would only give a glow without source of light. Very hard to achieve...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 March 2025, 14:24:21
Tp4 is old enough to remember CCFL stick lights with the hot as hell balast connect boxes.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 March 2025, 16:37:51
After testing all the fans.

Arctic p12 max has the highest noise vs performance profile.

The measured noise level was about the same between all fans in DB, but VERY-different in perceived annoyingness.

The Nova, had a high pitched wind noise.

The Scythe, apart from the broken bearing, noise was fine, but if quality control is this bad at $20 a fan, not going to bother.

The Arctic also came with one with a bearing that's not as good (not broken like the scythe, but a low chuchuchuchu), but it's acceptable at $10 a piece, ordered a replacement, the new one's fine..


These are the only legit 3000rpm'rs on Amazon.   2000 has more options, but not enough headroom.

Performance is 5 Celcius better than stock fans at ~200 less rpm.

Poortitude certified Jankdevil 7900xtx.
:D

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 17 March 2025, 19:18:40
Jeez, I remember in early 00s we all had flavor for watercooling and everyone was trying out all possible fans, it was a total show, search for best fans for radiators...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 17 March 2025, 19:29:38
Poortitude certified Jankdevil 7900xtx.
How are you powering and controlling the fans?
Off mobo with software or using an adapter off the gpu? Just curious.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 March 2025, 19:35:21
Poortitude certified Jankdevil 7900xtx.
How are you powering and controlling the fans?
Off mobo with software or using an adapter off the gpu? Just curious.


Normally you can do that, they sell adapters for it to connect to the card fan port.

The problem in this case is the red devil xtx bios hard locks to 35% pwm starting point, which is way too high for desktop 3000rpm fans that ramps up to 1650rpm.   You can use 0rpm idle, but that's bad for cards.

So Tp4 is using a motherboard adapter and fancontrol software, which works amazing, it's so configurable.   For example, after gaming, you can set it to decrease pwm by 0.5% per second, giving you a 60second cool down period post gaming.  That's really cool.


There's no reason not to use fan control, it's so good, you can read 2 sensors at the same time, and have it respond to the highest sensor.

So for example, if you have a higher CPU only load, the fans can respond to that independently of GPU or respond to a high GPU only load, any reasonable logic you need, it's got it..

That's way better than reading a motherboard sensor, because those sensors have a huge time lag, AND, they don't have a very high dynamic range (temperature delta)  for you to accurately tune the fan curve.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 18 March 2025, 01:31:15
finally acquired an amazingly low priced 7800x3d system to pair with my 4080s. paid 550 with no gpu and came with a quality PSU, 4 silent wing fans and it’s an SFF build. it’s mostly white so doesn’t really go with the 4080s, but it was a deal I couldn’t pass up.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 March 2025, 08:34:14
Deshroud mod the 4080.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 March 2025, 10:59:57
USPS package delayed. ff Drumpp.. :'(
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 18 March 2025, 11:13:53
Deshroud mod the 4080.

it's an FE so I wouldn't do that to this card. deshrouding a 9070xt could be a good option, but I'm not sure if I want to get rid of my 4080, and more importantly not sure if I want to spend the time hunting for a cheap 9070xt. to be honest, I've looked into deshrouding before and it seems like some tests I saw showed mix results with some deshroud attempts actually making temps worse depending on the setup. seems like main benefit is for a noise reduction. I'll see. I kind of realized I don't mind fan noise while I'm gaming; I have headphones on anyways. most setups are pretty silent under light loads.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 18 March 2025, 11:28:08
so achilles heel of the PC I bought is that it has an asus prime b650m-a. weak VRM design and just a cheapish board, and also is the only non white component, so I'm in the market for a better one. I'm thinking either b850m aorus elite ice ($200) or x870i aorus pro ice ($300). avoiding asrock for now because of the issues they've been having. seems like the b850m is the better value, there's definitely some ITX tax baked into the x870i. goal is to keep the white theme consistent and these are like two of the few white SFF AM5 motherboards. I'd like to eventually move the parts into an ncase m2, or formd t1. mATX board will lock me out of the formd t1, but it's a better value and the white T1 case is $300 which is a bit too much for a case if you ask me. yet, the T1 has a great design and space efficiency, and the builds end up looking great. ncase m2 is also awesome but I feel like the builds don't look as nice in most configs.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 March 2025, 11:51:33
You do not need to upgrade that board.  The low vrm boards only overheats in benchmarks/load testing. If you're just using it for normal gaming loads. It will never throttle, even with overclock.  No need to waste money.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 18 March 2025, 11:53:57
good reality check. I'll stick with it for a bit then.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 March 2025, 11:55:57
Especially on the 7800x3d. Because of the fabric lock, it will never exceed 80-90watts even in benchmarks.

The only time that board will throttle is if you push near 200watt sustained, which people just don't do.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 March 2025, 09:55:47
Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x, Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x,  Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x,  Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x,  Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x,  Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x,  Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 19 March 2025, 10:16:26
Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 March 2025, 10:18:42
Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x

$340 though..  it's soooo cheeeep. 41000 Cinebench r23

9series 8 core only gets 24000

9series 16core is at 45000 ish


It's crazy how far cpus have come, Tp4 has 2 DL580 g5 penryn, 4x xeon x7460 per machine,  They only bench 10,000 per machine r23, 24c/24t
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 March 2025, 10:43:16
Wonder if a delidded 9950x can do 50,000+ without nitrogen.

340 watts is alot, probably too much for the io die.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 19 March 2025, 10:55:41
Tp4 doesn't need a 7950x

$340 though..  it's soooo cheeeep. 41000 Cinebench r23

9series 8 core only gets 24000

9series 16core is at 45000 ish


It's crazy how far cpus have come, Tp4 has 2 DL580 g5 penryn, 4x xeon x7460 per machine,  They only bench 10,000 per machine r23, 24c/24t


What do you need it for?

...

(https://yanado.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/post-24117-games-and-stuff-gif-FQHW.gif)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 March 2025, 19:55:56
What is the current trend on Pump speeds? Do we still just crank it? Testing max vs min, very little difference.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 March 2025, 08:09:58
Interesting. Looking at a few gpu backplate arrangements, on the back, They put the thermal pads on the memory, but not the vrm. This must be deliberate to give the ram a bit more cooling, but exclude the VRM from potentially heating it up since that is quite a large heat mass.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 March 2025, 08:21:54
Used gaming pc, 5800x, 3060ti, hp omen 30L, 1TB, 16gb ram for $600.

Seeeems pretty reasonable, thoughts? People should buy these instead of newer Prebuilts.

They want $900 to $1300 for anything with a 3060ti, prebuilt, new.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 March 2025, 08:43:06
4060 shouldn't exist. It's so bad.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 20 March 2025, 12:16:38
Used gaming pc, 5800x, 3060ti, hp omen 30L, 1TB, 16gb ram for $600.

Seeeems pretty reasonable, thoughts? People should buy these instead of newer Prebuilts.

They want $900 to $1300 for anything with a 3060ti, prebuilt, new.


 that doesn't seem bad but I feel like it's not exactly the system you'd want if you had to pick youself? I would be more picky about what you spend your money on
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 March 2025, 13:00:15
Merely, social commentary. 

Tp4 is team Red.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 March 2025, 16:30:00
Tp4 can understand scalping 4090/ 5090s.

Why would they go through the trouble scalping 9070xt just to make $200-300. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: TomahawkLabs on Thu, 20 March 2025, 17:53:33
...just to make $200-300. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 March 2025, 23:22:38
Exactly, it's alot of trouble + Risk, for $200-300.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 21 March 2025, 01:23:24
AMD allows 175 watts on an 8core  9-series

Why do they limit to 245 watts 16core ?

We should get 345 watts limit.
  :'(
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 21 March 2025, 10:15:17
AW2725DF for $600, qd-oled 360hz, extremely tempted, buh.. 27 inch. hrrm..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 21 March 2025, 11:39:15
Something thought about for a bit, Perhaps the ssd should be heatshielded against the mobo side because its' mostly hot air + the cpu/vrm dumping heat into the copper.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 21 March 2025, 21:05:50
So, apparently "Build Streams" are a thing now, if you configure a prebuilt PC from a vendor, you can watch it being built on a stream.

Watched a few of these videos, honestly, If I was gonna shell out extra for a custom, I'd expect better looking people to build my pcs.  ;D

Just kidding, but did they even try to put together their best looking crew for videos? /huehuehue
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 21 March 2025, 21:24:55

I'd expect better looking people


Seriously? You sound just like Drumpf.

Why don't you post a video of yourself working on a computer?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 21 March 2025, 21:45:47

I'd expect better looking people


Seriously? You sound just like Drumpf.

Why don't you post a video of yourself working on a computer?


Tp4 is 2x2 ugly that's why.  /don't look at me.

You know who's just like Drumpf though?  Biden.  They're identical, with the exception that Biden wanted WW3.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 21 March 2025, 23:00:33
These premium Motherboards.

Real headscratcher, other than slightly bigger heatsinks, what the hell are people paying for?

Even the most "useful" feature, extra lanes for storage, usually has to steal bandwidth..

That's before we ask, who's even storage bottlenecked at gen4x4, when you can easily scrub 4K footage on Sata.


And the VRMs, none of the new chips really Overclock, so, we're already way over specced in mid tier boards.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 22 March 2025, 00:38:28
The m0ar Tp4 watches PC videos about PCs, the more he's come to realize how disconnected he is with the average PC G4m3r.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 22 March 2025, 10:00:02
The m0ar Tp4 watches PC videos about PCs, the more he's come to realize how disconnected he is with the average PC G4m3r.

tp doesn't need to be same as all those wankers on youtube spending all his money on high end parts.
tp is unique and should pursue his own level of involvment.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 22 March 2025, 16:02:10
The m0ar Tp4 watches PC videos about PCs, the more he's come to realize how disconnected he is with the average PC G4m3r.
Check Steam stats and you will see you are FAR more disconnected than you think.
In the opposite way.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 22 March 2025, 22:33:37
Tp4's take on dat edgerunner cybrsp1ne theme.

Had some doubts initially about the ID sizing, but it looks pretty decent after making spacers reverse wrapped around a calibrated pen tube..

They sell 2 kind of separators, smooth matte gloss, and sparkly glitter, the AN4 and below are glitter, too eye catching, so the AN6 are the only right ones to use here, they also make chrome, but they're not sold without special order, and you have to order 30+. AN6 is 13.8mm which is larger than most 12mm AIO tubes, that's why you need to make spacers.


It's tricky to pose the cable because you need it to twist just right to look flowing while floating above the GPU.

Then there's the separator spacing and quantity. In this case, thematically, 6x is the upper limit, it already looks crowded. 

4x frames better in overall visual weight, but then breaks the theme, as it doesn't look like a spine.  Spacing is using an even growth rate to look natural, perfect division looks terrible.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 23 March 2025, 13:51:31
9070xt still very hard to find. hrrm..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 March 2025, 10:14:17
Tp4 has figured out why virtually all other 7900xtx runs hotter than the sapphire model cooler.

Sapphire does not cool the vrm with the main heatsink.  Their vrm is only attached to the aluminum mid-plate. The heatsink only touches the ram and core.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 24 March 2025, 12:15:56
9070xt still very hard to find. hrrm..

I think launch day was probably the best chance to get one sadly. the restock efforts have been fairly weak so far.

I ended up also picking up a 4070 ti super in white, to go along with the computer I bought. as much as I was liking the 4080 super FE, it's simply not a great value even at MSRP so I'll likely be letting go of it. I can still play my games at 4k with the 4070TiS on medium or high and it's a 16GB card, so should be good enough. Interesting thing I ran into is a bunch of driver related crashes when I used the latest nvidia driver while testing the setup last night. Had to use an old version from December and it seemed to fix things. Out of laziness, I still have my old AMD drivers and did not use DDU when rolling back to an earlier nvidia driver. oh well
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 March 2025, 13:16:10
It started to glitch out my older 1060 pc. I go to adjust desktop color settings in the control panel, and select pc graphics,  and it stopped blackscreening.

But I don't have games on this pc, so idk if it still does that in games.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 March 2025, 23:32:27
This type of sag bracket is not gud'

1st, they're hard to install perfectly horizontal.

2nd, even if you get it horizontal, it won't be exactly parallel to the GPU

3rd, when you extend the little nub at the end, it's such a long lever arm, that it WILL-bend, further exacerbating the parallelism problem.

4th, they're thick enough to make the GPU look even chonkier than already very chonky.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 March 2025, 10:06:51
AMD dropped to 4 monitors max since the 7xxx series.

It would be interesting if they would release a big APU, then people can drive 4+4 monitors GPU+APU.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 March 2025, 12:04:44
Gon' try install dat winz 10 on old x120e. See what happn's might blow up from more than 2 tabs.

It's got ssd and 8gb wam.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 March 2025, 13:39:59
Errrmm.. Yea, it's kinda usable, but the windows defender antivirus scanning alone is killlling the Cpu.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 March 2025, 14:26:20
Can cooling performance be Toooo gud'.

If between matches, or within matches the temp delta is very high leading to board flex?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 March 2025, 10:15:21
OMG, The Tp4 submitted a bug report for a game almost no one plays to AMD,

AND THEY ACTUALLY FIXED IT.

OMG..  Team Red!!
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 March 2025, 13:50:24
Optical hdmi cables.  The problem is still usb. Can't quite get usb 3.0 cheaply.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 March 2025, 16:30:03
Agar solidifies @ 42C ?

Has ne1 tested vs PTM7950. :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 March 2025, 07:51:36
There literally isn't nemore kewl parts to buy.

They're all just meh. more of the same.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 March 2025, 10:12:47
Wifi 7, 2000mbps same room line of sight. Hrrrm..

So I guess, 1 gbps will be pretty consistent throughout the house.  That's pretty useful since it's faster than most wired setups.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 March 2025, 14:53:42
Design of horizontal dual chamber cases.

They take up more space.  Front to back is the same because of gpu length, it's shorter top to bottom, but because nothing is stackable ontop of PCs, there's no real reason to save space here. The cable routing has some advantages, but this is probably the singular benefit.

That extra width is just wasted. And I'd say they're probably louder because now you got 2 different sized hollow cavities w/ different flow rates, leading to resonance.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 March 2025, 16:31:09
This 60% price increase coming on GPUs and boards.

/Headscratch.   how, can you afford NOT to buy a gpoo right now. If a $1000 pc is suddenly $1600. That prices alot of people out of the market straight up.

Great news for scalpers.   Not the 9070xt though, you still can't make much money on those $200-300, not even worth the effort.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 27 March 2025, 18:12:05
This 60% price increase coming on GPUs and boards.

/Headscratch.   how, can you afford NOT to buy a gpoo right now. If a $1000 pc is suddenly $1600. That prices alot of people out of the market straight up.

Great news for scalpers.   Not the 9070xt though, you still can't make much money on those $200-300, not even worth the effort.


hm, maybe I should hold onto my 2 GPUs for now before I sell the extra.. I helped my friend secure a 9070xt the other day for $730. seemed like a decent price considering it seems like the price is only going up from here. hopefully it was the right move.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 March 2025, 10:19:31
Thinking about suprgud' used pc build.

aliexpress

used 7700 $160
used 6600xt $200

ebay

used msi pro b650 $60
used 2x16gb ddr6000 ram $60
used psu namebrand, $60

amazon

thermalright heatsink $20


local,

pc case $20-50



>.... $580-610

Probably the bare minimum anyone should do. Very upgradable.

CPU within 90% of top tier @ 1440p

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 March 2025, 14:09:27
Didn't even check the OC, seems after the Deshroud moddn'.

Before,

3050mhz, -25mv

After,

3300mhz, -50mv
 :eek:

Now thinking about putting some thermal pads on the back plate, but $20, rrrmmm.... $20..... an Endless stream of $20

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 March 2025, 20:21:48
Ne1 haz rgb light strips for room lighting? Tp4 has some questions.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 29 March 2025, 08:46:18
used psu namebrand, $60

Nope, don't do that, go buy a new one.
You're risking $500 by trying to save yourself $30.

Anything 20 series Nvidia or newer can also have power transition issues on older PSUs so you need something modern anyhow. Also, it's the one part you can get away without needing to upgrade even if you upgrade everything else.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 March 2025, 10:44:39
Kind of crazy how many rx580s are still out in the wild and being sold.

These were the sold by the Kilo mining cards after the first big bust.

1060 6gb level performance. Ran way hotter.

Think alot of these being sold now are re-manufacturer because they have non heatpipe coolers. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 March 2025, 23:15:30
If you love your GPU,  Go vertical.

Basically, heavy heatsinks + support brackets bend the cards enough to cause cracking over time + heat cycles.

Video by Professional board repair guy, he's got boxes and boxes of GPU awaiting reball (re-solder).

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 March 2025, 09:58:36
3080s. Hrrrrmm... Reluctant, but maybe good value in desperate times.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 March 2025, 12:00:34
Roundish GPUs, Ugh... can't stand it, 90* corners please.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 March 2025, 20:50:10
The pc market is dead in the water without GPUs.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 30 March 2025, 21:44:21
Except for gamers, "personal" computers have been doing everything that ordinary users need to do - for a couple of decades now.

Look at my kids, they have laptops but seldom use them. If it can't be done on a phone, it doesn't get done.

but PS - when they visit me, they do see how nice it is to have TWO 24" monitors sitting there.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 March 2025, 23:52:24
It's really convenient now that GPUs have easy access hardware encoder to screen record.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 April 2025, 11:59:09
Tp4 buy some used ram for his old 4790k rig.

Installed, Boot, starts prime95.

Suddenly an overwhelming floral scent overcomes the room. Whaaaaaa's gon' on.

Checks envelope, seller's name, Silvia Luca,

Damn, you can't get more bougie stereo Italian house than that. :D Probably an old woman selling the kid's stuff.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 April 2025, 13:48:51
Hrrrrm...rhrmm.rmm.

Stock is, 2400mhz 11-13-13-31-2T 1.65v

Seems to be stable at 2400mhz 10-12-12-30-1T

This kit's pretty decent. Prolly be able to push into 10-11-10-30 if Tp4 goes down 1.7v+


Buhh, that' seems unnecessary, and would require alot more testing.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 01 April 2025, 16:45:29
Decided to get more RAM, so 16Gb out, 32GB coming tomorrow.
Also, getting bigger cpu cooler, from Noctua L9i to U9s.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 April 2025, 16:56:55
Phinix, mah mahhn.. you need to hit up dat Aliexpress for the 7700 (non-x) for $160.  Used b650 for $60-70.  DDR5 6000 CL30, $80

At least double your framerates in esports titles..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 02 April 2025, 03:21:07
Phinix, mah mahhn.. you need to hit up dat Aliexpress for the 7700 (non-x) for $160.  Used b650 for $60-70.  DDR5 6000 CL30, $80

At least double your framerates in esports titles..


I don't play esports titles. I think. :)

I'm getting minimum 60fps in every game I play and that's enough for me. Dead Space, Alone in The Dark, The Last of Us etc
Then I get like 400fps in Warcraft II remastered :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 03 April 2025, 00:54:10
Having fun re-tuning the ol' 4790k on this new ram.

The memory controller needs some more jigavolts 2 really push 16gb at the tighter timings. The board's voltages seem pretty conservative.

Although, memory controllers are much easier to kill in general vs the core. So, that's reasonable.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 03 April 2025, 16:01:02
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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 03 April 2025, 23:46:46
Rapoo VT3pro max black color, on sale for $30 at amazon. Really good deal.

It doesn't have the cheater click latency of the stupid overpriced mice,  but it has no motion delay, 1ms faster than wired,  which is what's ultimately important. Click delay of 3ms doesn't really matter. Your finger movement wind up is more than 3ms.

pixart 3950, state of the art sensor, (outperforms logitech Hero sensor).
Realtek RTL8762GKH, MCU,  most power efficient chipset out there.

Gigantic 800mah battery, 200 hour battery life at 1000hz, which means about 2-3 months of normal usage per charge, or 1.5ish month gaming.

It only weighs 59g with that giant battery, so not the lightest mouse, but among the lightest vs battery.  Most of the very light mice are 200-300mah, 10-15g lighter, but now you have to charge really often, as they have garbage power tuning, and some tap out at 20-30 hours.

The shell is very well appropriated. structurally sound.

Main buttons have loaded pretravel spring,

Supports up to 8000hz wireless AND wired, if you're into that. They've tested about 70hour battery life on 8000hz vs 200hour on 1000hz.

Very easy to repair, because the main switches are on their own removable daughter boards.

Overall, the design philosophy is superior to the Fashion of SPEEDHOLES.

Speedholes have gone too far, beyond some questionable aesthetic directions, they dont lighten the mice nearly enough as tradeoff for dust/moisture ingress protection. 

 

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 April 2025, 11:33:45
Hahahahhahahahaa.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 April 2025, 19:45:57
34% additional tariff on China,Mainland,   32% tariff on Taiwan, China.

Tp4 is now cured of computer parts addiction,  Thanks Mr. President.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 April 2025, 22:10:29
Been using this mouse for a bit now, really gud' literally has no flaws. The grip tape could be grippier, but this is preference. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 April 2025, 22:57:18
Is pc gaming dead? Freeze frame, Who would pay, $2700 for a high-mid range pc, BEFORE scalped parts?


Also, whatttt the HELL is THIS.... In theory you can prolly bclk this to 7700x lvls, but it still has less cache.

The 4060ti is unforgivable,

During Black Friday 2024,,

AMD 7700
4070 12gb
1tb ssd
16gb
$999

and Grail computer <which Tp4 just recently got 1 used for $800>

AMD 7700
7900gre 16gb
2tb ssd
32gb
$999

So, faster cpu and 1.5 rung higher gpu for $100 less.

This is also the crappy 8gb version of 4060ti.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 05 April 2025, 11:58:46
Is pc gaming dead? Freeze frame, Who would pay, $2700 for a high-mid range pc, BEFORE scalped parts?
PC and any near future consoles.

Used parts are also going to skyrocket, glad I held onto that 1070.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 05 April 2025, 23:12:31
Maybe Lan Centers could make a come back because people can't afford PCs.   

The problem for lan centers in america is location security, too easy to smash/grab.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 05 April 2025, 23:56:37
I used to love digging through those PC trade in warehouses, finding all sorts of fascinating tech from the past. Used to dream of piece-mailing an entire rig together out of found parts. Sadly they all shut down during the pandemic. Maybe we will see a return out of necessity?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 06 April 2025, 10:44:59
9070xt @ $650-800 is the only reasonably priced GPU for the moment.

Everything else is Ridiculously priced. We're back to pandemic pricing.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Sun, 06 April 2025, 11:34:36
9070xt @ $650-800 is the only reasonably priced GPU for the moment.

Everything else is Ridiculously priced. We're back to pandemic pricing.


I swapped my 4070 ti super for a 5070 ti that i got for 750. they’re restocking every few days on the msi online shop. it’s a great deal.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 06 April 2025, 12:22:42
I swapped my 4070 ti super for a 5070 ti that i got for 750. they’re restocking every few days on the msi online shop. it’s a great deal.

Tp4 can not recommend Ngreedia for Political reasons, but lb for lb, 5070ti for $750 is a good buy.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 06 April 2025, 12:34:12
PC and any near future consoles.

Used parts are also going to skyrocket, glad I held onto that 1070.

People are probably going to miss those ebay $300  3080s the most.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 06 April 2025, 12:46:46
Guess I should have bought that 3060 last year, when I had the chance! [Want PhysX.]
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 06 April 2025, 14:16:01
Frivolous use of electricity

Dirt 3, 7840x4320, 8x Adaptive MSAA, So it uses SSAA for the transparent textures, and MSAA for normal geometry.

Finally seeing fences and powerlines at their best, but 415 watt gpu power draw,  barely break around 95-120fps.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 06 April 2025, 18:42:50
Horizontal GPU is so bad, why we still do this? Hot gas ingestion.

This effect alone is 5 to 8 Celcius worth of hot.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 April 2025, 02:26:39
Gosh darn, Tp4 has figured out why his old 1060 acx3 cooler has always had a dull woooing noise, even at 300rpm

They're reverse blade fans.   Reverse blades are terrible because they need alot of clearance or they produce a wooooooo noise. On a GPU that's a bad choice because you're trying to keep it from getting too thick.

Guess the only option is to deshroud mod.

Wait hangon,  they're not reverse blade, they're just crap fans conventional direction with reverse blade looking geometry.
:blank:

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 April 2025, 12:38:32
Couple more days with the rapoo pro max.

They totally lied about 59g, LOL, it's 62g even without the little cover on the bottom. 63 if you add the stickers.

Overall, the feel is fantastic. The buttons are very well tuned. Extremely crisp/ responsive. Doesn't have that lingering feel that leaf hinges typically have, it feels like a whole big button, well balanced.

Eqi-distant flaps is more noticeable than you'd think. Alot of ergo shapes have very different feeling left right clicks.
 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 07 April 2025, 13:58:32
Just asked dat' AI, what best used GPU to buy,   it said 2080ti.

IDk....... that's pretty stale.

A 2080ti is a 4060ti,  and you already know how much Tp4 dislikes the 4060ti.  It's a trash card at mid-tier prices. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: JackQn on Mon, 07 April 2025, 19:56:05
Is it best to select AMD over Intel right now if I want to build a new gaming PC? :confused:
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 07 April 2025, 23:45:00
Couple more days with the rapoo pro max.

They totally lied about 59g, LOL, it's 62g even without the little cover on the bottom. 63 if you add the stickers.

Overall, the feel is fantastic. The buttons are very well tuned. Extremely crisp/ responsive. Doesn't have that lingering feel that leaf hinges typically have, it feels like a whole big button, well balanced.

Eqi-distant flaps is more noticeable than you'd think. Alot of ergo shapes have very different feeling left right clicks.
 


tp should find a deal on a used mouse like me.. I have a GPX 2 and DA v3 that I bought for ridiculously cheap used. I still think the Viper V3 Pro is one of the best choices rn but they're so expensive, new and used.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 April 2025, 00:35:33
tp should find a deal on a used mouse like me.. I have a GPX 2 and DA v3 that I bought for ridiculously cheap used. I still think the Viper V3 Pro is one of the best choices rn but they're so expensive, new and used.

This is how you catch the cooties, aka Measles/birbfloo.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 08 April 2025, 00:52:09
tp should find a deal on a used mouse like me.. I have a GPX 2 and DA v3 that I bought for ridiculously cheap used. I still think the Viper V3 Pro is one of the best choices rn but they're so expensive, new and used.

This is how you catch the cooties, aka Measles/birbfloo.


but can tp4 resist the temptation of a $35 DA v3 pro? i guess maybe i put too much trust into lysol wipes  :-[ :(
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 April 2025, 01:01:49
Tp4 is fine with logitech because their software actually works.

Razer software is iffy. so, if we can get 3950 sensor in other mice and cheaper, might as well try some other makers.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 08 April 2025, 05:28:26
Couple more days with the rapoo pro max.

Overall, the feel is fantastic. The buttons are very well tuned. Extremely crisp/ responsive. Doesn't have that lingering feel that leaf hinges typically have, it feels like a whole big button, well balanced.

The shape is kind of meh (left side especially) and it's very slippery, but overall, not bad especially for the money.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 April 2025, 07:57:09
Couple more days with the rapoo pro max.

Overall, the feel is fantastic. The buttons are very well tuned. Extremely crisp/ responsive. Doesn't have that lingering feel that leaf hinges typically have, it feels like a whole big button, well balanced.

The shape is kind of meh (left side especially) and it's very slippery, but overall, not bad especially for the money.

Did you put the stickers on it ?  It's designed around the stickers. Because the rubber coat on older mices degrade and start to peel or turn sticky. So with the stickers, you can always refresh when the time comes.

That's why it's slippery and clean when naked.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 April 2025, 15:29:45
Just ordered another Rapoo pro max, figure, with 104% tariffs, we might not see good prices on peripherals for a while.

If you guys need monitors/ Tvs, PC fans, power supplies,  get them TODAY. Like right now, ORDER IT.



Prices are sticky,  so even if they re-balance, you will still have what's kind of like super-inflation.



Don't think about it, just order,  you have 1 month to return it and mull it over.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 April 2025, 18:40:14
Big question all day had been, Should people go out and Buy an Overpriced or Scalped GPUs right now...

Because it's going to get even MORE Overpriced tomorrow. This is a toughy .
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 09 April 2025, 05:35:28
Did you put the stickers on it ?  It's designed around the stickers. Because the rubber coat on older mices degrade and start to peel or turn sticky. So with the stickers, you can always refresh when the time comes.

That's why it's slippery and clean when naked.
Hmm. Other than including the stickers, which I missed, there's nothing on the Amazon page or in the box telling you there even is stickers. I'll have to clean it and put them on and see how it goes.

Also those are probably where your extra 3 grams came from, which definitely makes 59g a lie if you're expected to use them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 April 2025, 11:14:41
So current inventory seems not blowing up.

This is momentarily comforting.


Although, probably because no one could afford it had it gone any higher.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 April 2025, 12:02:12
3 of top 10 mobo on amazon is b550. Seems like people still slinging AM4.

Doesn't make alot of sense though, a 5800x is $170. You can get used 7700 for $160.

Used 5800x isn't cheap either, $130ish.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 April 2025, 12:18:30
This is confirmed by ddr4 being 30 kits of top 50 kits sold .

These guys are making a huge mistake. They should not be building AM4s.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 10 April 2025, 05:06:35
3 of top 10 mobo on amazon is b550. Seems like people still slinging AM4.

Doesn't make alot of sense though, a 5800x is $170. You can get used 7700 for $160.

Used 5800x isn't cheap either, $130ish.

The chips are cheap used.
It's a good way to upgrade and for many, a cheap way to Win11 vs a new system (about $160).


Mouse update:
Better with stickers (and some tuning, needed mroe liftoff), still not as nice as my Logitech but pretty nice, especially for the money.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 April 2025, 09:15:50
Lies,  logitech software is its only redeeming feature....  :p

Pixart sensors are superior to logitech hero, for a long time now.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Thu, 10 April 2025, 10:35:27
I have Logi Pro Superlight and I like it, but recently after 2 years of use it started to do double-click with side button, pisses me off, cause it does "Back" twice...
Now I like that newwer version, non-simetric one, but £150 is a lot for mouse I would say...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 10 April 2025, 21:01:28
Pixart sensors are superior to logitech hero, for a long time now.
Too bad most companies couldn't make decent software (Logitech included), firmware and wireless if their life depended on it.
Seems they may have finally caught up.



Good.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 10 April 2025, 21:16:53
Firmware is definitely more spotty on the off brand mice. But they've come a long way.  Rapoo is a major oem, so they have the labs for it. Their customized firmware is well tested (at this point). Lots of issues initially when they switch used the Nordic SOC like everyone else. But with the new Realtek one in the new pro max, they've nailed it, they had used it since the vt9pro air. It's got great battery life and stable connection quality.   

I have the dongle tied right under the table where the mouse usually is. Wood table.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 11 April 2025, 06:04:40
What is best mouse nowadays - I mean I have Logi Pro Superlight - what is next best mouse on market now?
Alternative to Logitech. Wireless with software that will let me storage a sign in mouse's memory, like Logitech does (I need this f**ing pound sign recorded in mouse as I use ANSI keybaords but need that symbol).
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 April 2025, 09:04:24
Only logitech has a decent profile on mouse system.

Most other companies don't bother nowadays outside of the few MMO mouse.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 11 April 2025, 09:19:23
Only logitech has a decent profile on mouse system.

Most other companies don't bother nowadays outside of the few MMO mouse.


I see. So I have no choice, then get new Logi mouse :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 12 April 2025, 07:08:09
So.. like, what we're hearing is, they can't even react to tariff collection so quickly.

But the retailer has jacked up prices anyway.  In the meantime it's just extra profit.  Long run, I guess we'll have a crunch.


Monitors/TVs are probably the big things to get.


If an entry lvl $500 tv is suddenly $1000, That's a big deal, because you're getting less than half the performance. These things are pretty flaky already, if they reduced board costs/ drivers/ psu, TVs would become even more unreliable.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 12 April 2025, 08:01:05

jacked up prices anyway.

it's just extra profit.


Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 12 April 2025, 17:53:57
The exemptions. This saves nasdaq, buhhhhh there's so much more than nasdaq, and cascade failures are still possible.

People forget, you need a strong jobs market so people can afford to buy all them electronax.


If we're getting to the point where people are being priced out of eating  @ MikeyD.  Hrrrm..?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 13 April 2025, 05:20:01
Ya'll see Marathon?  Is that fun? 


Tp4 can't tell anymore, he plays starcraft 1 and quak3arenr.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 14 April 2025, 04:27:11
Ya'll see Marathon?  Is that fun? 


Tp4 can't tell anymore, he plays starcraft 1 and quak3arenr.


Q3 is better than marathon watching :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 14 April 2025, 11:53:40
Ya'll see Marathon?  Is that fun? 


Tp4 can't tell anymore, he plays starcraft 1 and quak3arenr.


Q3 is better than marathon watching :)

The new marathon "shooter", LOL, of course actual marathons are not fundamentally spectator sports.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 14 April 2025, 16:26:54
Jesus christ, the Final boss,  turning down resolution to 1080p 144hz for maximum responsiveness.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 15 April 2025, 19:09:30
Classic movie mode.
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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 April 2025, 14:16:04
5060ti.

Just Yuck.. $650-700 for that?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 April 2025, 19:19:36
So, we've witnessed a few spotty events of $430 for the 5060ti.

Let's compare 9070xt is 166% as fast as 5060ti.

9070xt, $750 + $600 pc, = $1350   $8.13 per % performance
5060ti, $430 + $600 pc, = $1030     $10.30 per % performance

Absolutely ridiculous even at MSRP.

But at the street price of $600-700. tssss.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 April 2025, 10:02:45
Tp4 extremely tempted by sale on AIO, arctic 360 for $90.

If only these things were (easily) refillable.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 April 2025, 18:22:07
Let's talk about power phases.

24 phases for vCore in the form of 110 A Renesas R2209004 SPS,

870e Taichi, a $400 motherboard.

If you have a motherboard capable of 24x110A, 2640 amps. 

The most power hungry CPU you can possibly put into the socket is only 200 amp.

Then you're using at maximum 7.5% of the VRM capacity. This is inefficient utilization because Powerstages like to be around 20-30% utilization, giving its highest efficiency. Even assuming they might have a mechanism to turn off phases, it's A huge waste of money for the end user.

They also put a big expensive heatsink on there when with so many phases, they can run completely passive.

Powerstages around 88% + efficient, in the 15-30% range they are 95%+.

Motherboard market is stupid, when VRMs are entirely Decorative, and you can't even see them, because they're under a heatsink.

You realistically only need 8 of those 110sps chips, so assuming they can get these at $8 a pop, that's 16x$8 + cap + inductor + route, conservatively $150-170 worth of "decorative components."
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 April 2025, 08:42:26
5060ti what an awful card. Tp4 hates 5060ti only slightly less than maximum hate for 4060ti.

But he hates 8gb vram most of all.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 April 2025, 09:00:13
Big scandal. Latest crop of Asrock 8series motherboards apparently Overvolts and kills people's cpus.

It's probably not overvolt, as volts don't kill cpus, Amps kill cpus.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 April 2025, 17:03:10
Ohhh hohohohoho... Intel going new socket. Surprise Surprise, The ol' new socket every CPU architecture. Here we go..


But they must be pretty confident of the performance, since it's a big ask.   Everyone that got 285 and 265 got scrood.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 April 2025, 23:33:21
Don't understand it, AM4 doesn't make any sense, why are people buying it. It's not cheaper by nearly enough.

>:D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 20 April 2025, 11:09:44
Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 21 April 2025, 05:24:31
Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.
They all visit the same truck stops which is where they get them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 April 2025, 07:29:06
Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.
They all visit the same truck stops which is where they get them.

This evil heatset monopoly must be stopped.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 April 2025, 11:09:13
Just checked Hisense u9n review. //Rekt,  IPS ? Are they insane. why Hisense, Whhyy.

TCL qm7k, qm6k,  soooooo apparently they "Didn't" get wide angle. It's the same damn front end, but with better backlight drive.

Kinda bummed now. /max disappoint
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 22 April 2025, 02:57:13
Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.
They all visit the same truck stops which is where they get them.

This evil heatset monopoly must be stopped.



BlueParrott or Eksa? :) Good noise cancelling etc
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 22 April 2025, 16:49:05
Wharm weather setting in.

Flip on pc gamn' for 30 minutes,  room goes to 89 degrees.

Whole rig + display + sound, 700watts. :-X


We should go back to 10watt supernintendis.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 22 April 2025, 17:45:45
Beige old pc cases are going for $150-300 on ebay. "Vintage" pc case.

Internet is a stupid place.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 April 2025, 15:18:41
Man, where are those new Arctic pro fans. Why haven't they released them yet.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 April 2025, 17:36:58
Someone with 5800x3d should benchmark Tempest Rising. :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 25 April 2025, 20:51:08
Someone with 5800x3d should benchmark Tempest Rising. :D
Woot new Command And Conquer!!!
Definitely going to buy it once it comes down in price soon.

edit: corrected
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Sat, 26 April 2025, 01:53:12
Highly doubt anybody here gives a rat's ass about Alienware pre-builts (for good reason), but I thought this was cool.


TLDW: Dell finally made an Alienware desktop with regular ATX mounting, a cooling solution that doesn't suck, and mostly a inoffensive chassis design. But they opted to chuck in a mobo and PSU with non-standard power connectors - so you have to replace both if you decide to change one or the other in the future. It's still a Dell product after all!

I wouldn't buy one, but it's at least nice to see they're finally listening to criticism and moving the brand in a better direction than it was on post-acquisition.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Sat, 26 April 2025, 01:57:48
Woot new Command And Conquer!!!

Tempest Rising

Crud, you had me really excited there for a minute. I still want to check it out though. Been dying for a new C&C ever since they stupidly cancelled Generals 2.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 April 2025, 17:48:16
Tp4 just got dat logitech g535, pretty gud sound. Very tame bass, smooth and even. Treble follows harmon, no surprises. Functional, comfort pretty good. Earpads are removable. They sell the gel kind for it.

Range is gud, you don't need extension cords or nothing, the antenna module is big enough just by itself behind the pc.

Was onsale for $40, prolly can't do better for $40.  Wouldn't get it full price, prolly get sennheiser wired at the $100+ lvl.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 26 April 2025, 21:46:54
Crud, you had me really excited there for a minute. I still want to check it out though. Been dying for a new C&C ever since they stupidly cancelled Generals 2.

One of the devs from C&C is involved and calls it a spiritual successor. Only played a short time but I would say that's accurate. And with no Naval (naval is hard according to the devs) it mimmics Generals a bit as well.

Keep in mind it was accidentally released early with some bugs and people were happy enough they let it go and are patching as fast as they can so early reviews shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt. For example some reports said only 30 gigs was needed, it's now 50. On the other hand, it shows the devs are working hard on it.

It's nice, but I'd wait for a sale before buying.
And embrace the jank, remember the original didn't really take itself too seriously.



But they opted to chuck in a mobo and PSU with non-standard power connectors - so you have to replace both if you decide to change one or the other in the future. It's still a Dell product after all!
I was reading all of that and waiting for that part. It figures, they just can't help themselves.
I wonder if aftermarket ram still burns up after a year of use like it used to as well.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 April 2025, 21:55:51
Most people buy new boards with new CPUs. It's not a huge huge problem. But the goal of alienware is to sell a commodity product at luxury pricing, and THAT has not changed.

There's nothing mechanically premium about their machine.  With computers, they're usually obsolete before they "break" for most users. So, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to build a bullet proof mission critical machine.

With the casing, they have the opportunity to go premium, but they don't have the right artists, their industrial design is very bland..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 April 2025, 23:09:17
One of the devs from C&C is involved and calls it a spiritual successor. Only played a short time but I would say that's accurate. And with no Naval (naval is hard according to the devs) it mimmics Generals a bit as well.

Keep in mind it was accidentally released early with some bugs and people were happy enough they let it go and are patching as fast as they can so early reviews shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt. For example some reports said only 30 gigs was needed, it's now 50. On the other hand, it shows the devs are working hard on it.

It's nice, but I'd wait for a sale before buying.
And embrace the jank, remember the original didn't really take itself too seriously.

The performance of the game is excellent. They've optimized it well, not inputting any useless fluff that just eats framerates.

Digitalfoundaries recommend playing at 120fps as some of the unit animations run at half framerate.  Tp4 guess it's prolly because UE5 has alot of physics bugs when you go above 100fps.

Seems like the in game upgrade perks revolve around the hero units and buffing the "comms" ability.  So it's like Warcraft 3 AOE.  This makes it a bit more control intensive.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 27 April 2025, 09:33:24
Tempest Rising supports FSR3 and Framegen.

Not that you'd need it, 4K native looks very good and runs very well already.

Guess someone could turn it on at higher than native res, and it would work like additional antialiasing, but this particular game isn't hampered by aliasing in general. Tp4 can barely notice any aliasing at real viewing distances. It has internal AA, which is prolly some sort of fx/smaa.

The trees end up looking weird with Framegen, it's like they're all glued together and not as Leafy.  That does come down to personal taste, as some people prefer different tree looks.

Higher than native incurs a loss in sharpness for some textures (and text) as it invokes the downscaler, which uses cheaper methods (to be fast, and not eat resources).
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 27 April 2025, 13:53:23
The performance of the game is excellent. They've optimized it well, not inputting any useless fluff that just eats framerates.

They really did.
My GPU was at 99% and getting high 170, low 180s (1440p epic), with 1% lows still in the low 170s.

I just wish I could zoom out a bit more. Not sure why that is always such an issue on RTS games. Less detail (I don't need to see name tags on the troops) and more eye in the sky, please.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 27 April 2025, 21:04:02
Trebuchet tanks. Love um'

They deploy for big range.  All you need is to kite the enemy into them, and everything is destroyed. Works well with any stealth unit as spotter during pushes.

The drone guys are really powerful, but very micro intensive.  Depending on playstyle, alot of the smaller units are very squishy.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 28 April 2025, 01:48:39
I may try it out, was waiting for it, phinix = big fan of old school RTS :D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 April 2025, 18:40:36
Omg, it's true, Unkillable carriers.  Put 12 drones in 2 riot vants, put 2 riot van and 2 engineers into a Skycrane transport.  It turns into a Terran Carrier + self healing, the AI is not setup to deflect these.   Against a human player, these would be useless, as they would be focused down, and they're too expensive to lose, they're not fast units.  But against AI, they only attack the drones.

Don't beat missions with them. Too OP.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 29 April 2025, 11:39:37
Jesus Christ.  Tp4 playn' dat Tempest Rising for 1 hour emits 0.5 lbs of CO2 @ 700watts/hour

Equivalent to burning 0.25lb of coal.

This isn't even accounting for the cost of the machine, the content, the delivery infrastructure.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 April 2025, 11:10:08
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Internet was triggered today.

But realistically, you only need the 2x zips Tp4 circled.

Everything else is a waste, because they don't impede or improve airflow.  The next time you need to change something, you'll have to waste more zip ties, ONTOP of the hassle.

This is not proper cable management, this is inexperience. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 April 2025, 22:07:34
I mean.. the 5090 is kinda of a Good Deal.

If you think, well, they could sell an AI card for 30,000 to 100,000.  You're getting roughly the same die area for $3500.

That's like, almost a steal.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 01 May 2025, 08:31:54
Tp4 is thankful that switching audio device is so easy now. Just 3 clicks.

Back in the day, OMG
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 01 May 2025, 17:12:24
There is something deeply biological.

Tp4 love these siege tanks more than anything else in this world. You build too many, it's a recipe for shelf-ownage, because one misstep you nail all of your own dudes.


So much fun, the campaigns are short, but it's well crafted and not boringly drawn out, and heck it's also not $80.  It's about a 20-25 hour campaign length if you play slowly, learning the units for the first time.  Maybe another 10 hours of playing through the highest difficulty, worthy challenge, the challenge makes it fun.

Then of course there's the Online.  Though Tp4 handily gettn' Noob Stomped by Smurfs.


GDF definitely seems like the stronger faction, because they have so many abilities that mingle well. Whereas the Russian guys pretty much just has Distribution mode, the powerplant speedbuffs the production building, but it doesn't produce fast enough to offset the GDF unit stats and cheeses, as the maps are large enough such that the rate doesn't radically change your time to engage.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 02 May 2025, 22:09:05
Been playing with the gpu capture functions.

Honestly 100mbit for 4K 60 is not enough. They chose this probably because that's more than any streaming service/youtube would allow you to push anyway.

But still, maybe for personal use, they should allow higher.

If you think about Blurays being ~100mbit, at 24fps 4K, with uber quality encoding. At 60fps, it'd be 250mbit. And blurays already have quite alot of sharpness loss.

Raw 4K PC output to 24hz of movies, it's still 6.17 Gigabit, smooshed into 100mbit is already insane.

Korea has 10Gigabit internet, they could pretty much send you raw 4K, although no service can do that at scale.


THEN AGAIN, Korea won't be a country in 30 years, so maybe it's a good thing America doesn't have 10Giga.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 03 May 2025, 00:37:03
What kind of sucks is. If you render more than 60fps, then you can't really record 60 properly, as the frame pacing is off, and it looks juddery.

So, you need multiples of 60. But then alot of games can't reach 120. So you can't play your max fps while recording.

It' doesn't matter if it's many many multiples, for example 316+ fps because then the pacing is only offset by much smaller fractions.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 03 May 2025, 09:04:32
SSDs  are getting a bit too power hungry.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 03 May 2025, 17:21:35
Intake fans. Most cases have holes that make alot of extra noise due to wind sheer.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 03 May 2025, 20:25:58
SSDs  are getting a bit too power hungry.
*3 months from now*
You guys can afford SSDs?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 03 May 2025, 21:28:04
I think the pause on tariff was the surrender. They're probably indicating, well, politically, we'll say China's still on the fritz, but we're not going to do anything about the south asia trans-ship situation, which they were already setting up since before the announcements.


Then again, if it's accurate that 30% of truckers are losing their jobs.  LOL, this is full on collapse.  The scoreboard might be frozen, but it means little if nothing's moving.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 04 May 2025, 22:43:45
Dirt Rally 2,

Nope, turns out Tp4 doesn't know how is drive car. The tracks are supposedly highly realistic, which comes down to them being quite narrow (for racing games).  Really hard to play on controller.

The way the realism is set up, kind of have to memorize the track because you can't react to some fairly blind corners, especially if the pitch of the road changes unexpectedly.

Hrrrmm.. Guess Tp4 just wasn't ready for this. 
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 05 May 2025, 06:35:51
Interesting, Tp4 was just doing another psu fan replacement on an old hx620, classic PSU.

It has a classic style wire fan grill.  Without the grill, there is less wind noise. easily confirmed, just move the fan grill over the spinning fans, and it makes cchhhhhhh sounds.

So it seems grills in general, be it from the case itself or on the psu natively, if removable, WHEN removed, will always reduce noise.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 05 May 2025, 12:26:49
No m0ar skype , thoughts?

Tp4 wasted $20 in skype bux never used. .
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 06 May 2025, 11:01:16
You ever look up a graphics setting, no one knows what it does, but then everyone has an opinion about turning it on or off.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 06 May 2025, 16:15:55
Clair Obscur,

This is just 700 watts of paper mario.

/Old man noises.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 06 May 2025, 18:20:48
Well.... the soundtrack's pretty gud'
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 06 May 2025, 20:36:43
Why is Lune not wearing shoes?

There's all the fallen people's shoes around, she couldn't find a pair?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 07 May 2025, 08:04:11
$830-1000 5070ti
$750-830 9070xt

Buy now, or wait 1-2 years. Could be ruff.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 08 May 2025, 09:24:06
Clair Obscur, Tp4 recommended settings.

Use TSR upscaling.  It preserves the "context" of the game best. For example, the magical sparkly stuff, both dlss and xess will consider this noise, and make them nearly matte/invisible.   TSR preserves the intent the best.

TSR looks great all the way down to 50% output to 4K.
Xess has this weird blur.
DLSS too flat.

Oversharpening: There's a mod, to remove sharpening. download it. it works gud.

Antialiasing: Med
- Not worth on high/epic, huge performance tank. Most of the game's aliasing comes from specular aliasing, which this function doesn't even help. It's more worth it to turn up the render resolution.

Shadow:  High
-Epic increases draw distance, unnecessary, get a good chunk of performance back using high, still looks great.

Global Illumination:  Epic
-It changes the complexity/accuracy of lighting/ ambient occlusions, this really showcases the lumines lighting engine.
-Set to high if you're strapped

Reflections: High or Epic
-Makes very little performance difference
-Low, Med basically removes ScreenSpace reflections,  not recommended, you lose depth,

Post Processing: Low or High
-The perf. difference between High Epic is alot
-Use Low to disable DOF (Tp4's recommended)
-Separate toggles available for, Motion blur (disable), Filmgrain (disable), Chromatic Aberration (disable), Vignette (enable)
- Blur is bad, you got lcd/oled blur, no need for more blur.
- Filmgrain is a camera effect, but it's too noisy in this game, clashes with the busy textures, just a sandy mess
- Chromatic Aberration, always turn off, it keeps the center in focus, blurs the outer 50% of your visual field, BAD BAD BAD
- Vignette, darkens the corners. You can keep this on if you like the look, again a lens effect.

Texture: Epic
- Engine is well optimized, no need to turn it down unless you have less than 8gb vram. If you have 8 and up, you're fine with Epic.

Visual Effects: Med or Epic
- Affects complexity of effects, surfaces, explosions, speculars.
- Not a huge performance hog, Medium to keep the look of the game intact, Epic if you've got spare. 2-3% performance diff, not much.

Foliage: Do this one last (to taste). The how much grass setting.
- Turn it up and down to get a few more frames at the very end of tweaking.

Shading: High
- Just high. Leave it.
- Epic increases distance, waste


Render resolution: Set to 50% looks fine. 

100% increases blurring for most "effects", it does however reduce aliasing, but again, not that bad in this game.

The upscaler is well tuned, 50% looks sharper in most cases when it comes to texture,

100% resolution (3840x2160)

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50% resolution (slightly higher than 2560x1440ish, )

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 09 May 2025, 22:34:25
Clair Obscur,

The battle system becomes a bit convoluted later in the game. These mechanics don't really seem necessary with the parry system.


And people "praising the writing," real headscratcher here, the writing is pretty bad, barely-not-awful. What are people smoking, what exactly do people like about this plot.

There's no depth, allegories, it's entirely a stagnant fishy tub of cloudy rainwater..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 10 May 2025, 04:30:24
Update on Rapoo vt3Pro Max.

Tp4 getting approximately 200hr battery life on 1000hz, confirmed on the 800mah battery.

Gladly pay the weight difference, those Stooopid 200mah mice just to save 8-10g are insanity.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 10 May 2025, 21:46:32
This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.

Everywhere, just Fog...  Other than Fog, the game, aka silent hill,  can't think of another one with this much "obscur."

Swear to god, 60% of the Gpu usage is this fog.

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 11 May 2025, 18:36:28
Got to act 3,

Yup, was right about the story, AI could write better.

After all the AI generated assets, they've gone and ruined it all with human written story. >:D
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 11 May 2025, 23:22:37
So, who's this game for.

If you "enjoy" magic the gathering, but you hate the concept of card collections.

This is a very palatable version of the make-numbers-bigger mental exercise.

Overall:

B+ gameplay (of genre),
C- story,
B- graphics (UE5 AI generated Assets).
C- music (Heavy use of AI)
B- UI, for the genre, it's not the worst, but they need to add a storage system for configurations. Fire build, Ice build, Ice Break, Dark Quick, Light Turn-1 etc.



Replayability, If you've replayed any super robot wars, you can replay this.

Works ok on keyboard, but best on controller.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 11 May 2025, 23:47:47
9070 GRE,  Thoughts?


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 13 May 2025, 03:19:50
I guess it depends on usage - if you play 4K, then I would nto go with GRE. 1440 is fine, same as 5070.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 May 2025, 09:59:49
The 9070xt is the new 7900xtx

The 9070 is the new 7900xt

9070gre is the new 7900gre


They're within 1-3% of each other. So, the prices and performance are basically the same (+12% raytracing), but THEY make more money because of smaller silicon.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 May 2025, 12:44:52
Wachn' Dooom Annihilation getting ready for, The Dark Ages.

It's gud' enuff decent for a B-mewvy. At least the sets look pretty good, simple but convincing.


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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 14 May 2025, 08:22:28
Wachn' Dooom Annihilation getting ready for, The Dark Ages.

It's gud' enuff decent for a B-mewvy. At least the sets look pretty good, simple but convincing.


(Attachment Link)

I didnt know there is one after original Doom from 2005 - I liked that one, remember I went to cinema and loved the end bit when they switched to FPP view for a minute, all peeps in the room were laughing and shouting :)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 14 May 2025, 20:39:57
Wonder if it'll be easier to buy a 9070gre.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 15 May 2025, 04:43:05
Wonder if it'll be easier to buy a 9070gre.

have you been able to find fair pricing on 9070xt/5070ti? there's a local retailer to me that's been restocking 9070xt for $750, which is good enough. good enough to just get one and not have to think about getting scammed for a GPU anymore. It seems that the GRE might not be too far behind the XT in price so not sure if it's worth waiting for
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 15 May 2025, 06:52:42
This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.
Fallout 4 Far Harbor DLC, which was almost as large as a full Fallout game, had just as much fog or more.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 15 May 2025, 07:28:51
This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.
Fallout 4 Far Harbor DLC, which was almost as large as a full Fallout game, had just as much fog or more.


Did LL play dat clair obscur yet?  It's all about the turn based rpg combat.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 16 May 2025, 21:21:47
This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.
Fallout 4 Far Harbor DLC, which was almost as large as a full Fallout game, had just as much fog or more.


Did LL play dat clair obscur yet?  It's all about the turn based rpg combat.

No but it looks interesting.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 May 2025, 10:19:15
Seems like the 9070xt is in a big stocking round.

Getm' before Trade War++

You'll be playn' dat Tempest Rising in the last few days of the apocalypse @ 150fps
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 19 May 2025, 09:26:19
No more cheap gud' LCD TVs.

This is terrible for daytime use..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Tue, 20 May 2025, 17:16:40
Hardware Unboxed managed to review an RTX 5060 (despite getting blacklisted from Nvidia themselves, I'm guessing).

No surprises here: it's crap. 8GB VRAM and the 3060 Ti and 3070 regularly throw punches with or surpass it.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 May 2025, 12:45:19
If it was $150 cheaper, maybe.


In reality, 9070xt is still profitable at $500. It's just jacked because of AI taking up all supply.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 May 2025, 20:30:14
Know a couple peeps who have bought used gamrn' laptops.

Don't, almost all of them have CPU+GPU solder problems from the thermal stress.

Virtually no one properly take care of laptops. The higher the wattage the more risky the purchase.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 22 May 2025, 09:17:55
Japanese Drift Master, it's... well.. the streets are so narrow and with the incoming cars, feels weird.

It's simcade to an extent, and Tp4 is reminded just how "less fun" more realistic drifting actually is, because of spin outs and how the high inertia of the car means it feels like steering a big brick.  So, this ain't RidgeRicer.

Performance wise, lots of stutter because of UE5, not sure this was the right call, even though it "looks great."
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 22 May 2025, 09:21:43
4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

Wait for the class action = Profit ?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 22 May 2025, 10:08:30
Hardware Unboxed managed to review an RTX 5060 (despite getting blacklisted from Nvidia themselves, I'm guessing).

No surprises here: it's crap. 8GB VRAM and the 3060 Ti and 3070 regularly throw punches with or surpass it.

They're trying to do similar to Gamers Nexus, they're just scared to pull the trigger and really anger Steve.

Nvidia keeps telling us they hate us (gamers and youtubers) and don't want to deal with us and how we're such a drag on their bottom line, so don't buy from them and you can make everyone happy.



4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?
This connector is actually the first reason I went AMD instead of Nvidia (second being Nvidia itself).

That connector is bad, it was a poor design (in a lot of ways) with little headroom and then they did poor implementation of it as well (middle of the card aimed at glass). The fact that they implemented a check to make sure it was in all the way (which doesn't work well enough obviously) tells you they knew it was an issue.

I won't argue, PC power doesn't need a makeover but get a consortium of the people involved to do it (power supply, motherboard, video card, and cpu manufacturers), this way you get something that you all agree on, can spot problems early, and will become a functional standard for the next 20 years. Side note, they actually are working on this now, it will be a second slot behind the pcie slot that will provide power through the motherboard and provides up to 800 watts (I think).
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 22 May 2025, 12:22:11
4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

Wait for the class action = Profit ?


not a terrible idea.. I bought a macbook about 10 years ago, so many class actions on it that I basically got the whole thing refreshed for free (I dropped it onto pavement a year or two into my ownership so this was perfect lol). though, if you ask me, the ship has sailed for good 4090 deals. a lot of people were dumping their cards after the 5090 announcement in jan and that was the perfect time to buy one. prices have swung up higher than they were before the 5000 series was announced now.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 22 May 2025, 12:28:54

4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?
This connector is actually the first reason I went AMD instead of Nvidia (second being Nvidia itself).

That connector is bad, it was a poor design (in a lot of ways) with little headroom and then they did poor implementation of it as well (middle of the card aimed at glass). The fact that they implemented a check to make sure it was in all the way (which doesn't work well enough obviously) tells you they knew it was an issue.

I won't argue, PC power doesn't need a makeover but get a consortium of the people involved to do it (power supply, motherboard, video card, and cpu manufacturers), this way you get something that you all agree on, can spot problems early, and will become a functional standard for the next 20 years. Side note, they actually are working on this now, it will be a second slot behind the pcie slot that will provide power through the motherboard and provides up to 800 watts (I think).

I know that exists in some form already, Asus has this thing called BTF but you need a specific motherboard and GPU that won't work on boards that don't have this feature (so like every motherboard except a few). It's a much more steady solution if you ask me, but this whole idea just reminds me how archaic this whole concept of having separate components coming from all different manufacturers is. apple taking the move to just bake in the motherboard, cpu, gpu and storage into one big component is way closer to what I'd like to see. runs so much faster and more efficient, and would be way easier to optimize unified hardware packages for gaming and other applications. AMD and maybe intel are poised to make the same leap that apple did, but no idea why it hasn't been mentioned yet.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Thu, 22 May 2025, 12:44:12
Nvidia keeps telling us they hate us (gamers and youtubers) and don't want to deal with us and how we're such a drag on their bottom line, so don't buy from them and you can make everyone happy.

I'm at the point where I'd feel better if Nvidia just pulled out of the "gamer GPU" market entirely - or at least just dropped all pretenses of them actually caring. Preferable to them continuing to rip people off and smile when "AI" is their actual money-maker.

4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

I'm riding this 3090 KINGPIN until it turns into a paperweight for that reason. The design of that connector (especially the lack of proper overcurrent protection) is so baffling that I'll never buy a card with one for fear of it self-immolating. Next card is probably going to be AMD, or Intel if they ever make a comparable GPU. I'm guessing - since buying new has been such a crapshoot for the past several years - it's going to be a 7900XTX, and hopefully I can still get an AiO or waterblock for it whenever the hell that happens.

Also, whales are dumb and don't care about hardware news.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 23 May 2025, 00:33:47
Extremely frustrated with JDM.

So, there are 2 control schemes, 1 arcade, 1 simcade.

But both are counter intuitive because it "holds" the drift for you to some extent, this causes problems because where you want to transition out of the curve is very awkward, it's essentially sticky to the direction of the existing drift line. So the normal reflexes you'd have for shifting the weight of the car doesn't behave the same, and it feels like you have to dump in an extremely early maneuver which "feels" very wrong because you're losing so much speed/momentum to change direction, and the setup for the next line makes no sense.

Cornering speed isn't the point of this game, so yea, we get it, but hrrrm... it hurts your brain to play around this.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 24 May 2025, 08:59:28
I'm at the point where I'd feel better if Nvidia just pulled out of the "gamer GPU" market entirely
They can't, that's the funny part, they need us more than they let on and they know it.

We're a good way to dump binned GPUs that failed to make top spec but even more important is Nvidia knows every new tech like A.I. goes through booms and busts. Crypto came and went (Bitcoin), then came and went again (Etherium) A.I. will come and go once the hype comes crashing down. There could also be a surge in specially made A.I. ARM systems just like for Bitcoin that wipes out GPU based A.I. rendering, which I fully expect within 4 or 5 years. Once it does those cards will be worth pennies on the dollar for what corporations paid for them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 24 May 2025, 10:20:22
Even if the data center money dries up, it has made more than 10x what the g4m3r money made. I really don't think Nvidia cares much at all anymore.

As for the AI bubble. Hard to predict. 

-If AGI is achieved, then nothing matters for humanity, humanity will be irrelevant.  Everything that exists in AGI's periphery are just atoms it can use for "whatever" the AGI decides to do.

-If AGI is not achieved, then we've just blown our carbon budget way sooner, and pretty much stuck with the "famine and feudalism" part next.


Eitherway, Enjoy your AMD GPUs, because life will "probably" never get better than this.  This is the Last-mile. We've pretty much don' killed the planet at this point.  You can stop yourself, but you can't stop the stupid habits and energy wasting momentum of the rest of mankind. 


For example, VeggieP4 can eat 2000 calories of Potato. If MeatloverPizzaGuy eats 2000 calories of "Beef" that's about 10-25x feed conversion, so it's the same 2000 calories, but it cost the Planet 50,000 in feed-stock. Chicken about 2-5x, pork is 6-8x.

PizzaGuy is eating 25x what P4 eats.   Scale that across "the 1st world countries" + the "Aspiring meaty 3rd worlds".

And the only thing you get out of MEAT is heart disease, cancer, + diabetes.


Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 26 May 2025, 07:50:57
Even if the data center money dries up, it has made more than 10x what the g4m3r money made. I really don't think Nvidia cares much at all anymore.
Kind of hard to run a company with zero income (if A.I. dries up).
They care, we're just the backup.


As for the AI bubble. Hard to predict. 
No it's not.
Every tech has a bell curve to it with hype at the top, and for Nvidia it's even worse because every company is looking at alternatives to over priced GPU's. It's not just the card price, it's housing, powering and cooling them, same as Bitcoin was. Once they get a dedicated ARM system (or similar) that works for it, they will drop Nvidia like a rock.


-If AGI is achieved, then nothing matters for humanity, humanity will be irrelevant.  Everything that exists in AGI's periphery are just atoms it can use for "whatever" the AGI decides to do.
AGI is a VERY, VERY different monster, to the point that almost everything they've done with current A.I. is irrelevant.

You can't just make current A.I. better and reach AGI, you have a completely different path. Yes, the core tech (fuzzy logic) is finally unlocked but it's got a ton of issue preventing it from doing what they want such as lying, making things up and even scarier, refusing to shut down when told (https://slashdot.org/story/25/05/25/2247212/openais-chatgpt-o3-caught-sabotaging-shutdowns-in-security-researchers-test).
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Mon, 26 May 2025, 18:42:49
Gamers are the backup, but steadily pissing away years of goodwill over the span of 2-3 hardware generations is a pretty baffling move no matter how you swing it. They're effectively running the same playbook that Intel did with CPUs, and look where that got them. Like, even if Nvidia's intent is to sell products with stagnant gen-to-gen uplift among other questionable design decisions, the least they could've done is price them fairly and not let the drivers go to hell - especially if it's not even your primary moneymaker at the moment. The sheer amount of greed is just laughable.

I think the only reason why Nvidia would even come out of an AI bubble burst with a largely intact consumer base is that people are generally still starving for consumer GPU options, and they know it. Ultimately, they're going to get away with this minimally scarred, so long as Intel and AMD maintain a distant second and third in the market.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 May 2025, 16:34:44
Your thoughts on "Speed Holes?"

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Wed, 28 May 2025, 20:29:20
Your thoughts on "Speed Holes?"

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I haven't tried but I feel that most should be neutral on it. probably saves a bit of weight yet might not be a noticeable amount to most, slightly harder to keep clean, maybe slightly more uncomfortable than a smooth shell, can look cool? the lamzu atlantis I had had lots of cutouts on the underside, but none on the top shell. that's a good way to save some weight while avoiding some of those drawbacks.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 May 2025, 21:36:30
Feels like these companies are straight up lying to people.

And, perhaps people are just that dumb (kidz), or have become so desperate to buy a "Luxury" they can afford, even if it's merely a cheap ad campaign for a commodity.


Most of these makers use stock firmware with almost no tuning whatsoever.

Even with tuning, the drift that happens on typical cloth pads is upwards of 30%  vs 8-15% on sensor matched optical glass.


If the drift is that high, you're not getting what you pay for.  Glass pads are pretty hard to use and impractical.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 28 May 2025, 21:56:46
meanwhile, my PC will be turning 14 this year

It certinally feels like the bumps in power each generation of hardware has increasingly diminishing returns. I remember when the difference between the 700 and 900 series actually meant something, and was reflected in the software publishers were putting out.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 29 May 2025, 05:53:51
Your thoughts on "Speed Holes?"
You aren't saving any weight when your mouse reaches that point, not to mention longevity (and grossness).

Personally, dumbest trend in a while, you aren't going to feel a 1-2% difference in mouse weight.



Feels like these companies are straight up lying to people.
Most of these makers use stock firmware with almost no tuning whatsoever.
Complain about Logitech pricing, but the mice work, can't say the same for others. The Rapoo was pretty good, but the tracking and connection was not as good as my old and tired G900.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 May 2025, 07:29:58
Complain about Logitech pricing, but the mice work, can't say the same for others. The Rapoo was pretty good, but the tracking and connection was not as good as my old and tired G900.

Did you turn off angle snapping in windows mouse setting?  Logitech software does it for its mouse by default, but other mice you have to do it manually.

I've had great connection because my transmitter wire goes right under the wooden table top where the mouse is.

In CNC validated testing, the 3950 sensor greatly outperform the latest hero sensors.

Largest straight line deviation
Average straight line deviation
Largest Circular deviation
Average Circular deviation.

-3950, + latest 54L nordic chip,  This is the latest Tier 1 release (rapoo vt3 max, they dropped the pro from the name)
-3950, + realtek (the rapoo we got, vt3 pro-max)
-3398 (3395), high tune, + latest 54L nordic chip, (vt1 max) This is the latest tier 2 release.
-Logitech Hero 2 sensor.

Don't know where to buy the latest vt3 max yet, on the new 54L chipset, it's got 109hr battery at 8000hz vs 63hr on the Rapoo vt3promax we got right now.

Ad material says 500hr 1000hz performance on the 54L, not sure if Believe, but the 8000hz 109 is verified, so maybe yes.

Video link__ cnc testing.


https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1JFLmzXEpi/?spm_id_from=333.1387.upload.video_card.click

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Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 29 May 2025, 08:19:15

Glass pads are pretty hard to use and impractical.


What ?

I have been using my Steelseries glass pad for over 20 years and it still looks and feels like new. I wash it in the kitchen sink with warm soapy water about once a month.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 May 2025, 08:35:14
It's fine for day to day

When, you're moving and clicking fast,  the mouse twists inward as you click because of low friction. Gaming where the precision "is the point." glass is very difficult to master, and you need the wrist sleeve to not bunch up when you start to sweat.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Thu, 29 May 2025, 12:15:38
I've largely switched to a trackball for everything, but I still don't like my mice to feel like chintzy garbage. The handful of superlight mice I've handled - including from the big names - just feel plain icky to me. Lightening holes are even worse.

I do get the intent. Reduced inertia = better precision, yadda, yadda, yadda. It's still funny how we went from mice with interchangeable weights to mice that look like they'll float away if you turn on your ceiling fan.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 May 2025, 08:43:16
The new vt3 max with 3950 + 54L chipset, 500hr battery life 1000hz, is $74 on aliexpress.

The reduced tier 2, 3398 + 54L chipset is $54.

Tempppting, buhhhh. Gonna wait for another $30 sale.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 30 May 2025, 09:01:21

fine for day to day


I bought it for accuracy when I was doing quite a bit of CAD work.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 May 2025, 10:05:16

fine for day to day


I bought it for accuracy when I was doing quite a bit of CAD work.



I don't know that cad requires ultimate precision, but if you're into that, the latest micro-etched glass are tuned specifically for the latest group of mice sensors.

These things have to be matched, they don't work just willy nilly.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 30 May 2025, 10:14:58

I don't know that cad requires ultimate precision


AYFKM?

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 May 2025, 10:20:04

I don't know that cad requires ultimate precision


AYFKM?



Tp4 has wurked in cad heavy environments most people use cheap office mice, even seen ball mouse use on older pcs running win-xp cads.

If you can't grab an edge, just zoom in until you can, that's been a reflex in all the cad users Tp4 has seen.

The majority of lines are drawn through hotkeys and offset tools though.

What kind of cad are you doing where clicking requires absolute precision?

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 30 May 2025, 10:42:47

where clicking requires absolute precision?


Kind of reminds of the guy a couple of years ago who argued that the gear shift lever required greater precision than the steering wheel.

For one example, almost anything that is not a straight line or perfect angle or radius ....

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 May 2025, 14:33:47
Shifting does require alot of precision because if you fall out of the power band the car will over or understeer, and you will miss the ideal apex.

IDK if it requires more/less precision than the steering wheel, that's too loose a statement without knowing the constraints.


But Tp4 has done plenty o' solidwrk and mastercam on generic mice,  not sure what fohat means you need mice precision for cad.

For angles and radius, that goes to hotkey, at least that's how tp4 were taught.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 May 2025, 06:03:36
Tp4 used to play dat sonic on peeays3 controller with really laggy drivers. Couldn't beat this 1 traffic attack lvl after 50 retries.

But now with gud' controller,  only took 4 tries.  Stick latency is everything, forget button latency, STICK LATENCY is king, (for driving games at least).
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 May 2025, 18:44:15
aoc 32" monitor, va-lcd, 165hz 1440p, wide gamut, pfs-phospor, $160, walmart.

Pretttttty decent considering it's wide gamut, not quantumdot, but better than vanilla. It's 93% dci-p3, vs 97-98% for QD.

Samsung won't get you anywhere near this for $160.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 May 2025, 21:47:03
People still building AM4,  this is an outrage,  perf/price ratio horribad.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 02 June 2025, 06:07:45
Did you turn off angle snapping in windows mouse setting?  Logitech software does it for its mouse by default, but other mice you have to do it manually.

I've had great connection because my transmitter wire goes right under the wooden table top where the mouse is.
No, I didn't notice that setting and not sure it would help anyhow.
Under certain twitch or very slow movements it just wouldn't always start to move, taking up a 1/4in or more of travel before it started tracking. 1/4in of travel at my DPI (about 6800k) is about 1/3rd of my screen. At lower DPI it seemed okay, but at high DPI it just seemed to have issues. I thought maybe it was a sleep issue but sitting for 30 seconds or less shouldn't send it into low power mode.

I had the sensor just below and in front of the mouse (under the desk).
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 June 2025, 09:22:18
6800 dpi? or 2267dpi?

What is 6800K ?

Tp4 has 2 units, no issue with latency or stopped movements. Could it be interference, if it gets stuck for 1/3 of the screen.

Ok, tested very high dpi, sees what you're talking about.  This is probably a mouse mat issue. Will have to finally get the optical glass to know for sure.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 June 2025, 11:11:40
Did some research.

This is not due to mousepad, This is due to DPI downshifting.

Basically the sensor is "so good" that if it didn't downshift, there would be too much jitter. This is implemented on virtually all 3395 and 3950 mice.

This is a kind-of mouse smoothing. It actually happens at all dpi-setting, not just 6800.

It has a slow ramp then moves into your target dpi.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 June 2025, 16:58:11
Pretttty much nothing jumped out this year's computex.  Mehs... all around.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 02 June 2025, 17:03:27
Do I spend $600-700 upgrading my existing system to the best it can be now, staving off getting a new comp for another couple years? Good to maybe to the end of '26
Or wait to spend $2000+ building an entire new system much later?
Is it worth spending $600 to slightly upgrade and max out my system this Summer? It would probably take me a year to save the 2k for a new build.

Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 June 2025, 17:05:17
I would wait until the next card refresh at least.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 02 June 2025, 17:09:05
I would wait until the next card refresh at least.

I wouldn't be getting the newest GPU anyway, I'm not spending the entire cost of the rest of the computer on a single part, that's stupid.
I'd probably get a 4070-TS if I were building a new one now.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 02 June 2025, 17:59:16
I have been upgrading incrementally for 30 years. I get a large simple solid case and upgrade 1 or 2 major components every year or so with a new motherboard about every 3-5. When I was running Windows I moved up a version every 1-2 motherboards. Running Linux, and with hardware generally cheaper than it was historically, I have been updating SSD boot drive and OS about every 2 years.

When I was living with a wife and kids, old gear could cascade downward (me - wife - kid 1 - kid 2) and remain in service for quite a long time. But now none of them have any desire for anything bigger than a laptop ....

And yes, I was always behind the leading edge on the pricey stuff!
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 02 June 2025, 19:53:54
Do I spend $600-700 upgrading my existing system to the best it can be now, staving off getting a new comp for another couple years? Good to maybe to the end of '26
Or wait to spend $2000+ building an entire new system much later?
Is it worth spending $600 to slightly upgrade and max out my system this Summer? It would probably take me a year to save the 2k for a new build.

I think you should consider how much gaming you're doing and how much better your experience would be with new parts, and go from there. If you're gaming a bunch and your setup is holding you back, then yeah you should throw some money at it. It's not that great of a time to upgrade right now if you ask me. everyone wants X3D cpus but they're really expensive. If you want a better GPU, I feel that the 6900xt and 6950xt are exceptionally good value on the used market right now. otherwise, I'm sure you know the 9070xt is a solid value at retail, but you really have to lock in to find one at a good price.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 June 2025, 21:44:30
X3D waste of money unless you're RICH like Leslieann.

9070xt is worth buying right now around $700 lowest seen retail. $730-750 possible, $850 average.

But I would wait for the 5090 competitor.

Used 7700 + b650 $325 together, is really all you need for general gaming, but I wouldn't buy right now. The economy might drop a few more points, and everything might get cheaper by holiday.

But who knows, 9999% tariffs. Invade Mexico. Annex Greenland.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Mon, 02 June 2025, 23:59:43
I've been buying used 1-2 generation old hardware for close to the past decade now and generally been pretty happy with the results.

Granted, I'm a huge tinkerer so a lot of my upgrades over the years weren't exactly necessary (ie. I could've gotten a whole lot more mileage out of my old i7-5960X had I just paired it with a half-decent mobo and cooler) but I still don't feel any real incentive to be on the current bleeding edge of things either - especially with how diminishing the returns are as of late. I can get last years top-tier or near-top-tier, save some money (or used to anyway), and be set for probably the next five if I can quell my addiction to buying **** for fun.

That's probably where I'm at now that I've dumped Intel after my 13600KF started acting up. Assuming the hardware market doesn't improve, the only thing I see myself buying in the next five years is a case. This one has gone as far as I can push it.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 03 June 2025, 01:18:48
anyone else fantasize about doing a max'ed out retro build?
like a build using the absolute peak parts available up to 1999, like a Win '98 machine running a PIII, GeForce 256, & a whopping 512mb of RAM
Man that would be so sweet...
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 June 2025, 06:12:44
P3, 98 Not practical, unless you can find cheap salvage parts for nearly free.

Something like Opteron 185 (socket 939) + x1900xtx is more useful, and not painfully slow and will be compatible with old games through XP. 

Then there's right next to it Wolfdale.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 June 2025, 08:56:40
Microcenter 9800x3d + msi pro b650-p + 2tb + 32gb ddr6000 + 9070xt for $1600.

So...... they're making around $150-250 on these boxes,  There's no way you can match it "retail" on your own. Decent motherboard too.

Solid deal. They're gonna sell out fast.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 03 June 2025, 09:01:13

anyone else fantasize about doing a max'ed out retro build?


I have a couple of boxes on the attic with about Windows 7 level gear, and I have contemplated wiping them and setting them up as DOS rigs - I have several DOS discs, up until about 6 they came on a single floppy.

Unfortunately I think that DOS was not even able to recognize more than some X number of megs ....
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 03 June 2025, 14:06:41
anyone else fantasize about doing a max'ed out retro build?
like a build using the absolute peak parts available up to 1999, like a Win '98 machine running a PIII, GeForce 256, & a whopping 512mb of RAM
Man that would be so sweet...

there's some guy on tiktok that has his PC in an old alienware case (I recently discovered the cases alone go for a few hundred nowadays..) and uses a biege HHKB and CRT. probably the closest thing I've seen to a GHer setup on that app. I like the idea too but I would think it'd be tough to find a cool looking retro system that actually still works well and doesn't need elbow grease to get up and running again.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Tue, 03 June 2025, 15:14:48
Like one of the old "Alien head" towers? Those are super cool, although I can only imagine the airflow kinda sucks because of the closed off front (old case, so no surprises there) and the case lighting being a pain to get working with a new mobo. It was bad enough on my Area 51 R2, although I have Dell to thank for that stupidity by that point in time.

I'm still kicking myself for not buying a silver Predator 2 case off one of my friends for a hundred bucks many years back.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 03 June 2025, 17:41:42

cases alone go for a few hundred nowadays


Wow! I have at least 2 massive towers that are beastly heavy and just plain straight up rectangular beige boxes - pure "brutalist" design. One (I think it's a Maxxtech) has probably half a dozen fans (the little old-school ones), and both probably are near complete on the inside. I would be shocked if shipping alone to the West Coast was be under $100.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 June 2025, 11:44:20
WTH are you guys buying on TEMU?

Tp4 has only bought 2 heatsinks in the 3 years it's been out.


(https://i.imgur.com/ce251eW.png)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 June 2025, 12:17:18
Best selling PC on Temu

STG-aub brand.

i7 4770
16gb ram
512gb ssd
AMD RX 580
6 RGB fans
Case
RGB alu-block heatsink (doesn't look like heatpipe).


Together this is about $150 worth of parts.  Price is $360+ free shipping.

That GPU if (New) would probably be a mining salvaged card, meaning they desoldered the gpu/ram, reball, new board.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 June 2025, 11:16:41
9060xt at $350 is NOT a good deal.

9070xt is still a better deal at $750. Even at $900 it's a better deal.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 05 June 2025, 12:50:46
Best selling PC on Temu

STG-aub brand.

i7 4770
16gb ram
512gb ssd
AMD RX 580
6 RGB fans
Case
RGB alu-block heatsink (doesn't look like heatpipe).


Together this is about $150 worth of parts.  Price is $360+ free shipping.

That GPU if (New) would probably be a mining salvaged card, meaning they desoldered the gpu/ram, reball, new board.


at low budgets used is definitely the way to go. I helped my friend secure an 8700k and 1080ti computer and it was well assembled for 350, like two years ago. who knows how long these temu parts were running for
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 June 2025, 13:38:11
Complaints about the switch 2 screen.

So, it's a commodity lcd, 450nits, doesn't seem like it has any dimming zones.

Why would anyone expect HDR quality to be good.

The nits is actually not the problem, Most HDR highlights would not exceed 450. The problem is just that it has no dimming zones, so a screen that small relative to any "creator" making games,  they have to treat it like SDR.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 June 2025, 16:09:37
Bought ebay used ram. DOA /crying.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: YALE70 on Thu, 05 June 2025, 19:24:27
Hope the seller takes returns.

Not like it matters anyways. It is eBay.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 06 June 2025, 07:36:13
6800 dpi? or 2267dpi?

Ok, tested very high dpi, sees what you're talking about.  This is probably a mouse mat issue. Will have to finally get the optical glass to know for sure.

6800 dpi, sorry.
Considering it's a common and very popular Steelseries if it's the mat that's an issue, that's a big issue for them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 06 June 2025, 07:47:51
Do I spend $600-700 upgrading my existing system to the best it can be now, staving off getting a new comp for another couple years? Good to maybe to the end of '26
Or wait to spend $2000+ building an entire new system much later?
Is it worth spending $600 to slightly upgrade and max out my system this Summer? It would probably take me a year to save the 2k for a new build.
You almost never need a whole new system if you upgrade in steps but there are times where waiting just a little too long means it's better to just do it all at once.

At the moment it all depends on where you live and how your favorite games run. I did my entire system, first time in a LOOOOONG time but I did it because prices were reasonable for the first time in a while and parts were available and I knew tariffs were coming. I knew if I didn't do it then it could be several years before I could and at far greater cost. Which if you live in the U.S. you now have that very problem. In which case I would HIGHLY recommend doing as little as you can get away with for the time being and wait till things calm down. Or buy used.


Side note,
I would avoid any 60 series cards (Nvidia or AMD), and nothing with only 8 gigs Vram, all are outdated now (even if brand new!) and that also means you need a system capable of handling a modern current gen 70 series. A 60 series can run pretty much anything at 1440p, but not well, and that leaves little room for future proofing. It's now bottom of the barrel and not a good option, which is just insane.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 06 June 2025, 07:52:30
Apparently SteamOS has gotten so good (it neat Windows on a bunch of games in a recent side by side test) MS is scared enough that they feel they need to now fix Win11 gaming performance.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 06 June 2025, 20:57:56
Watching this professor of energy economy / research talk about how he uses a 17yr old computer + windows 7, how it's still crazy fast, and running flawlessly.

Stares at Tp4's closet full of PC parts. >:D


17 years from date of video, would be the beginning of Core2Duo.  Scratchyscratch, IDK, on Win7, even with SSD, early C2D didn't clock that high. I doubt this professor had a decent GPU, even if he did say his PC was top of the line, 17 years ago.

This would be around the 7900gtx x1900xtx years. Let's assume he has a 7900gs or something. Can you daily drive this, probably not.


For all practical uses, Sandybridge is probably the bare minimum.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 06 June 2025, 21:15:49
Watching this professor of energy economy / research talk about how he uses a 17yr old computer + windows 7, how it's still crazy fast, and running flawlessly.

Stares at Tp4's closet full of PC parts. >:D


17 years from date of video, would be the beginning of Core2Duo.  Scratchyscratch, IDK, on Win7, even with SSD, early C2D didn't clock that high. I doubt this professor had a decent GPU, even if he did say his PC was top of the line, 17 years ago.

This would be around the 7900gtx x1900xtx years. Let's assume he has a 7900gs or something. Can you daily drive this, probably not.


For all practical uses, Sandybridge is probably the bare minimum.


I'd say around 2012 is the current cut-off. You can still run top of the line Ivy Bridge tech and barely squeeze by with current games and software, even though MS is killing off Ivy soon by axing it from Win11 upgrades
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 07 June 2025, 07:53:33
I feel that Windows peaked with version 7
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 07 June 2025, 08:18:51
XP was more than anyone ever needed.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 08 June 2025, 19:50:37
Watching this professor of energy economy / research talk about how he uses a 17yr old computer + windows 7, how it's still crazy fast, and running flawlessly.

{cut}
Can you daily drive this, probably not.
No, you cannot daily it.
No modern CPU/GPU drivers, no Steam, No browser...

Sure you can sort of get by using older systems for office tasks and retro gaming but anything web based or gaming is dead on something that old. And as for putting it online, NO. As I've aid before, contrary to what people think, you actually have limited choice on what OS you can run.


I feel that Windows peaked with version 7
Pretty much. though I know some who would say it peaked with 98SE and some who would say Win2k. Both of those were great for their time, but the internet really altered how we use computers making those rather obsolete. You could use the internet with them, but Win7 really brought us into the modern internet age.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 08 June 2025, 20:09:28
XP can do all the old stuff, and has little to no bloat, don't see the need to go as far back as 98, NT.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 June 2025, 06:34:51
Why would you get a 9060xt for $350 when we've seen 6900xt for $400ish.

9070xt for $600-850 is a better deal than all of them.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 09 June 2025, 15:42:07
We are at the turning point where new games run smoother with RTX on at 4k than at 1080 with no RTX
I feel like this is the new baseline for the next 4 years or so.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 June 2025, 20:13:56
We are at the turning point where new games run smoother with RTX on at 4k than at 1080 with no RTX
I feel like this is the new baseline for the next 4 years or so.

What? Which game is that?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 10 June 2025, 10:20:47
Anything slower than 5070ti/9070xt/7900xt/gre shouldn't exist. They should just not make or sell them.

All it does is funnel the benefits upward where the poorer gamers subsidize the rich ones.