Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[fohat.digs]

or even real-girls

That made me laugh, tp

This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"

[phinix]

or even real-girls

That made me laugh, tp

This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"

Yeah, I remember, haha!

[tp4tissue]

or even real-girls

That made me laugh, tp

This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"

Yeah, I remember, haha!

Come on guys, that IS mid-tier in developed cities, you can't compare rural with urban, the prices are different..

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 looks up 10gbit router prices in 2024.

/Foams@mouth.

[noisyturtle]

or even real-girls

That made me laugh, tp

This from a guy who, a couple of years ago, referred to $1500 call girls as "mid-level"

Yeah, I remember, haha!

Come on guys, that IS mid-tier in developed cities, you can't compare rural with urban, the prices are different..

tp got dat affluenza

[fohat.digs]

Decided that I needed to clean house on my computer and reinstall a fresh new OS, as I do about every 3-5 years. So my new Samsung 990 EVO Plus just arrived. I figure that will be enough to see me through the next few years, and $87 delivered to my front door seemed like a fair price.

Now I have to summon the courage and energy to do it ....

I generally keep all my old drives as backups anyway.
 

[tp4tissue]

Windoz elleben 24h2 g4mn' performance is pretty gud'.

[tp4tissue]

The Indiana Jones game. Yea the graphics look great. It's a sight seeing game. Odd specular aliasing flickers, other than that, pretty much perfect.

[phinix]

The Indiana Jones game. Yea the graphics look great. It's a sight seeing game. Odd specular aliasing flickers, other than that, pretty much perfect.

Cool, I'm going to play that once I get 5070

[tp4tissue]

Apparently people actually do buy Windows like this.

[Sniping]

tp getting into sim racing?

[tp4tissue]

Not tp's, just foto from internet.  Tp4 never knew who bought those little windows boxes, apparently they're out there.

[TomahawkLabs]

FlareX ram isn’t something I’ve seen in a long time. That was THE kit back during ryzen 1000/2000. I assume everyone kinda popped over to crucial.

[noisyturtle]

An acquaintance of mine just picked up what looks to be an unused boxed Voodoo 3 card at a yard sale for $15
I am so beyond jealous. Got some sweet Roland speakers too.

[tp4tissue]

Flarex is the default for microcenter bundles.

[phinix]

An acquaintance of mine just picked up what looks to be an unused boxed Voodoo 3 card at a yard sale for $15
I am so beyond jealous. Got some sweet Roland speakers too.

Oh, sounds good. Roland speakers are also amazing.

[tp4tissue]

GPU @ 430watt sustained,

Top ssd slot, Above GPU, 36 C goes to 49 C

Middle slot, @ exactly GPU heatsink lvl, 30 C goes to 44 C


This could in theory cause problems nearing the SSD's TBW limit.  They're specced for data retention for 1 year @ 40C.

We'd be literally cooking the data out of the SSDs.

[tp4tissue]

Ok,   in order to use VRR, you have to

- Turn VRR on, on tv and in drivers,
- vsync OFF in the Game's own settings,
- Limit game framerate with RTSS to 141 or 142
- Force vsync ON in DRIVERS (both nvidia/amd),  hn? what?

If the vsync isn't forced on in driver, the tv will not properly push the scan line off the screen, you will see it near the bottom.

This makes no sense, totally not intuitive, probably 99% of gamers don't even have their VRR setup properly, how could they POSSIBLY-guess that this is how it's supposed to work ?

Tp4 just tested this, the procedure is correct.

[tp4tissue]

You know, AIO kind of feels like the incandescent light bulb at this point in time.

- 99% of workloads won't use the capacity,
- costs more to manufacture,
- has slightly more noise in quiet rooms,
- is less durable,
- provides no additional performance uplift in gaming.

[tp4tissue]

Vertical GPU mounting.

Thoughts.. ?

[tp4tissue]

This is the kind of computer that is ruining people's lives.

9800x3d + 4060ti.

The performance is Terrible.  They should've gotten Used 7700/7700x for $150, used mobo $100, Take the $350 add to gpu, $750, that's a 7900xtx or 4070ti (sale).  Obviously take the 7900xtx.  But if they're sheep, they're still way better off with 4070ti.

Roughly DOUBLES the performance for the same price w/ 70ti,  2.5x w/ 79xtx.

[TomahawkLabs]

Vertical GPU mounting.

Thoughts.. ?

With GPUs being as heavy as they are, and with PC cases being increasingly ornamental, yes. It is realistically the best choice. I'd love to see a redesign of the GPU form factor for a better mounting location. Even as something as minimal as a additional mounting locations for the GPU instead of just the PCI slot and the 2-3 screws that hold the GPU to the rear of the case. Something like an additional B bracket on the back side of the PCB of the GPU to mount to the motherboard.

The other thing I saw recently was a case where the GPU's "face" was flush with the exterior allowing it to intake 100% ambient air. The lack of filtering mesh would cause an issue downstream, but I love the concept.

Used hardware will always have greater buying power, but I would never buy used hardware unless it was from someone I personally know.

[tp4tissue]

Latest Rumors.  Priced to be $480 vs $550 for 5070.

Tp4 believes this is not the right price for AMD, they should be running $400.  BE DISTINCT, make a statement. No one is going to be impressed by $70 off the-ngreedia price of the 5070.

[tp4tissue]

Why are pcie risers so expensive?

[phinix]

Latest Rumors.  Priced to be $480 vs $550 for 5070.

Tp4 believes this is not the right price for AMD, they should be running $400.  BE DISTINCT, make a statement. No one is going to be impressed by $70 off the-ngreedia price of the 5070.

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I dont know.. I still feel like I prefer 5070. its hard to switch to red after 35 years being with green.

[phinix]

Why are pcie risers so expensive?

If you are for one, make sure you get high quality piece. This is one of those items you dont want to save money on.
I always wondered that too - its just a socket on small pcb with lots of wires.

[tp4tissue]

People need to stop buying the 9800x3d.  The inflated price is egregious.

It's an enormous waste of money.  A 7700 for $167 off aliexpress will give you 92-95% the gaming performance outside of esports titles. The difference of $300-350 on GPU far outweighs the benefit of x3d.

Outside of wealthy individuals, used 7700 all the way.

[Leslieann]

Vertical GPU mounting.

Thoughts.. ?

Good in a sense for structure, but there's other ways to solve that and is a manufacturer problem that is not insurmountable. My 9700 came with a support rod which works well (when it fits) but they should be designing support in to the cards themselves. There's plenty of room under the plastic.

As for why vertical isn't the solution, besides putting the fans up against the window on most cases (or mesh which generates more noise than the fans), you need a riser cables which move the card further and further from the cpu and memory. This creates more opportunities for cross-talk and timing problems and is one of the reasons Apple silicone is so darn fast. It's why the memory timing was moved onto cpus, it's why Dell invented the new laptop memory standard... Don't forget you need to carry voltage over it as well.

Why are pcie risers so expensive?

For the reasons above, you need to insulate it better to avoid problems with cross-talk and voltage degradation and pray it doesn't mess too much with timing. This is why gen 4 (and 5) risers are so fickle.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 considering the new lian li sup 01 case.  It uses a long riser to move the gpu to the front.  Bad idea?

[Leslieann]

Tp4 considering the new lian li sup 01 case.  It uses a long riser to move the gpu to the front.  Bad idea?

Oh Joy, more noise!
Yes, bad idea. It may work, it also may experience issues now and then. Is it a game issue, driver issues, OS issue, or timing issue? You may never know.


Nice looking case but they made some strange design decisions.
One thing that always gets me about these sideways cases, they never make any effort to to hide the cables in back? It's like once outside the case it's no longer their concern.

[tp4tissue]

The thing is, the 430 watt gpus these days hots up the motherboard/ssd/pch fiercely.

Tp4 has always been befuddled with this problem, and there weren't many good solutions other than water blocks. This new case is the only way to solve it cheaply.

[TomahawkLabs]

The only case that does that well is that $500 ProArt case. I think having a standardization of exposed GPU faces to allow the GPU to grab ambient air is the solution. It offers additional mounting points from the GPU to the chassis as well.

[tp4tissue]

Bought this monstrosity. Arriving today, Hope it works.

It's the only option that keeps the pcie short, and is reasonably priced "considering" you get the bracket and the riser which sell for $30 alone.

[tp4tissue]

There was this other one, but Tp4 thought about it, if you tilt the gpu back, you'd get that 450watt hot air right into the cpu cooler/vrm/ram area.

Don't see how that makes sense performance wise, that hot hair dryer is already the problem, and now you've pointed it at exactly the wrong spot.

Agree it kinda looks cool.

[tp4tissue]

Didn't work, sigh.. Went from hotting up the SSD to hotting up the CPU, because the 450watt air stream now points directly at the big cpu heatsink.

This would probably work ok with AIOs, but in this case, no bueno with air cooled cpu.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4, why you so poor, stop all this jank, and just buy alienwares like the cool kids.

Hahahahaha. Utilizing Tp4's poortitude. Fully external gpu.

Modified the bracket, 3x m4 bolts, onto an older case edge.

The bracket is attached to a piece of plywood with 2 screws and the other end is ziptied. COULD bolt it there too, but it's really hard to get pliers behind the u shaped strut in the middle.

4 Celcius drop on gpu edge temp + hotspot temp.

SSD no longer heats up to 51 C slot1, 45 C slot2. Stays completely cool at 35/29 C

[TomahawkLabs]

That's a lot of hard drives TP4, what perchance is filling that many drives 

[tp4tissue]

That's a lot of hard drives TP4, what perchance is filling that many drives 

Lies, all lies. Those are not harddrives.

[fohat.digs]

Why bother with an enclosure at all?
If you live alone and don't entertain, then just let them live free out in the open.

[tp4tissue]

The test bench frames cost more than cases, but in general you need to move things around in one piece even for cleaning.

[phinix]

That's a lot of hard drives TP4, what perchance is filling that many drives 

Loads of uncompressed 4K blueray movies downloaded from PB

[Leslieann]

I think having a standardization of exposed GPU faces to allow the GPU to grab ambient air is the solution.

That was how the NCase N1 works, except it's sucking from underneath, giving a buffer on the noise compared to sucking from the front and it didn't require any extension or anything.

[phinix]

I dont like this whole frame generation feature - so actual chip cannot be any faster now, so they create algorithms to generate following frames artificialy?
Even that quality setting looked weird for me when played CP2077.
Is FSR = DLSS on red side?

I'm planning to buy 5070 to replace my 3070, which should be around 45-50% increase from my card, but overall I feel cheated by nvidia by selling me card with 15-20% increase against prev generation 4xxx
I dont know what to do. I know its not out yet, but rumors tell almost 100% truth, so I know I must upgrade now, but 5070 or that 9070xt is my only choice in price range I can afford.

[tp4tissue]

I dont know what to do. I know its not out yet, but rumors tell almost 100% truth, so I know I must upgrade now, but 5070 or that 9070xt is my only choice in price range I can afford.

You can afford m0ar Gpu phinix, wifu and kiz can eat less expensive food. Put them on the Tp4 GPU Saver's diet, rice beans cabbage potato. 

Frame generation, it's so-so, for games where you don't really care about input latency, it's fine. Anything else, 120fps native is the bare minimum.

[phinix]

I dont know what to do. I know its not out yet, but rumors tell almost 100% truth, so I know I must upgrade now, but 5070 or that 9070xt is my only choice in price range I can afford.

You can afford m0ar Gpu phinix, wifu and kiz can eat less expensive food. Put them on the Tp4 GPU Saver's diet, rice beans cabbage potato. 

Frame generation, it's so-so, for games where you don't really care about input latency, it's fine. Anything else, 120fps native is the bare minimum.

I'm happy when I get 40+ fps.

[tp4tissue]

I'm happy when I get 40+ fps.

Phinix never left the Y2K. We like it there, that's where the heart is.

[TomahawkLabs]

I am somewhere in the middle. I want more than 60hz, shooting for 90, but won't turn town settings to get from 90 to 120. 3440x1440 is rather demanding on newer titles and I can't justify a new GPU for at least another 2-3 cycles.

[tp4tissue]

I am somewhere in the middle. I want more than 60hz, shooting for 90, but won't turn town settings to get from 90 to 120. 3440x1440 is rather demanding on newer titles and I can't justify a new GPU for at least another 2-3 cycles.

That's because you haven't yet seen 5090 do the thing.

[TomahawkLabs]

I am somewhere in the middle. I want more than 60hz, shooting for 90, but won't turn town settings to get from 90 to 120. 3440x1440 is rather demanding on newer titles and I can't justify a new GPU for at least another 2-3 cycles.

That's because you haven't yet seen 5090 do the thing.

Can’t jones for heroin if you never shoot up in the first place.

[tp4tissue]

Can’t jones for heroin if you never shoot up in the first place.

That's good policy.