Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 is official  UN-recommending the 7600x3d.

Devs have fully adapted to 8-core.

[Leslieann]

Still a good CPU and a good way to get into AM5 as opposed to going with AM4 or Intel.

You get decreased benefits the higher cores you get.

[tp4tissue]

Older titles might do alright, but 9700 is a better stop gap than 7600x3d, unless someone has very specific games that are known to leverage x3d to great effect.

On some modern titles, the loss of 2 cores is far more detrimental than the gains from x3d though.  This is really just the result of developers being lazy. But we can't stop that.

[tp4tissue]

People don't understand the 4090 is only 22% faster than a 7900xtx at 300% the cost.  The Ray tracing performance is Abysmal, the shadows/ reflections look grainy and noisy. Ray tracing is still pretty much an unusable function outside of 1080p.

[tp4tissue]

120fps is the minimum gaming framerate. 60hz is flat out unplayable outside of turnplay/4X games.

[Leslieann]

120fps is the minimum gaming framerate. 60hz is flat out unplayable outside of turnplay/4X games.

You're spoiled, plain and simple.

[tp4tissue]

You're spoiled, plain and simple.

..proclaims LLann while playing her 7800x3d borderlands @ 300+ fps 

[phinix]

I'm planning to get 5070 FE when it comes out, to retire my 3070 FE.

[tp4tissue]

I'm planning to get 5070 FE when it comes out, to retire my 3070 FE.

NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Leslieann]

You're spoiled, plain and simple.

..proclaims LLann while playing her 7800x3d borderlands @ 300+ fps 

@ 60hz

[tp4tissue]

@ 60hz

240hz 4K oled soon ?

[Sniping]

my pc is finally starting to show its age a little on marvel rivals, I'm only getting 70-80fps during the action in the game, 4k low settings. setup still remains the same as it did since 2021 or so, a 5900x 6900xt pc and an LG C2. the setup holds up pretty well in most games but think marvel rivals is the first competitive title where I need the frames and it's not putting up a full 120fps. I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet (minus the coil whine on mine  ). My next refresh would likely involve the 4080, but I'd probably only pick one up for an insane steal, otherwise I just don't need it yet for another while. recently found a GPX 2 locally for cheap so have been using that and been really happy with it. I still think the viper v3 pro is even nicer but they're really pricey, even used.

[tp4tissue]

I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet

Sniping is a bot, Tp4, an owner of 6950xt,  it's none of those descriptors, and could never be mistaken as such.

[tp4tissue]

Kinda of a Ripoff situation. Input lag goes way up when the GPU approaches 90%+ utilization.

So essentially, to achieve lowest average input latency 70-80% utilization is the maximum.

Sacrifice 20-30% of your GPU. That's not alot of GPU left for "most" GPUs.

[Sniping]

I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet

Sniping is a bot, Tp4, an owner of 6950xt,  it's none of those descriptors, and could never be mistaken as such.

damn you don't agree? it's around 300w under load and its quite quiet. i remember reading some reviews in the past that basically say the same kind of thing: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt/33.html

[tp4tissue]

I enjoy the 6900xt for being efficient on power, runs cool and quiet

Sniping is a bot, Tp4, an owner of 6950xt,  it's none of those descriptors, and could never be mistaken as such.

damn you don't agree? it's around 300w under load and its quite quiet. i remember reading some reviews in the past that basically say the same kind of thing: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt/33.html

TIL, 300watt isn't alot of power to young people. The card also has 600watt peaks, 400 watt sustained if you got AIB verisons.

Supr-Nintendi, 17watts peak rated.

[tp4tissue]

The perfect armored core GPU would be able to render this 8K screenshot quality at 120fps.

Approximately requiring 1.1*4*4090gpu.

33.18 Megapixels. 

[phinix]

I'm planning to get 5070 FE when it comes out, to retire my 3070 FE.

NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

why not tp? phinix no like AMD, phinix prefers green, but its so expensive.. can only go xx70 cards now.

[tp4tissue]

why not tp? phinix no like AMD, phinix prefers green, but its so expensive.. can only go xx70 cards now.

Society mustn't endorse the disgraceful gatekeeping of Ngreedia.

[tp4tissue]

Last one Tp4's going to buy, Tp4 swears it.

For the price of a single 4090, Tp4 now haz 2x 7900xtx for upstairs + downstairs.

[phinix]

Last one Tp4's going to buy, Tp4 swears it.

For the price of a single 4090, Tp4 now haz 2x 7900xtx for upstairs + downstairs.

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Nice

[tp4tissue]

This card is only 6% faster than Tp4's Sapphire Pulse 7900xtx.  Efficiency is technically horrible, but it does clock faster. LOL.

[tp4tissue]

It's pretty cool we can now play marvel vs capcom 3, @ 7840x4380 w/ 4xSSAA @ 120fps on a 7900xtx, so it's internally rendering at 16K, 15680x8760 @ 120fps.

A 4090, might be able to do 8xSSAA, but probably not.

Tp4 is going to miss living on a viable planet earth. Humanity would go so much further, if not for the hamburgers, sigh.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 always feels bad for the motherboard chipset.

Modern GPUs blows hot air directly on them.

>photo, Tp4's



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[phinix]

Tp4 always feels bad for the motherboard chipset.

Modern GPUs blows hot air directly on them.

>photo, Tp4's

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I remember the days when we had active coolers on them.. North chip, south chip...
phinix used to mount cool Zalman blue heatsinks on those

[tp4tissue]

Iconic

[phinix]

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Yep:)
This one was an updated version of that vertical one. This fan shaped heatsink was so good, I remember it dropped north bridge chip temps like in half.
Also, during those times, Zalman round and TT Orb cpu coolers were popular. liked them too.

[tp4tissue]

The cpu orb only cooled slightly better than the stock cooler because it was bigger.

The chipset orb was pretty good but hit or miss in terms of fitting the mobo.

[tp4tissue]

Overwatch, you can turn on 8K rendering equivalent to 4xssaa of 4K, turn on their SMAA,

And you'll still see aliasing. Look at the middle of screen, where the floor tiles are. 

Turns out, this game won't render past 4K, so the render scale doesn't work right.

[tp4tissue]

Microsoft forcing people to update to windows 11, 24H2 build to get the most fps on that new amd cpu scheduler.

 

[phinix]

Microsoft forcing people to update to windows 11, 24H2 build to get the most fps on that new amd cpu scheduler.

 

Really? So I cannot keep 10?

[Leslieann]

Really? So I cannot keep 10?

You can, with some caveats.
Some people will tell you that you can use whatever OS you want as long as you want but the truth is you're not as in control of what OS you use as much they think. At some point support ends, new features start becoming an issue and new hardware lacks drivers. This was less an issue pre-internet but these days you need to stay at least somewhat up to date.

Anyhow, MS wants $25 a year (per system) to keep getting updates, though that may be only for businesses.

If you don't care about updates you can keep using it and you'll probably fine for a year or two, just don't count on Defender. After that threats will start to build up and you will spend more and more time fighting threats. Also driver support will start to wane, give it 5 years and you'll probably start to really feel the strain as you struggle to update hardware. At some point after that you'll struggle to find a good browser. However, all of this ignores Win12, once that drops you're going to be pushed out faster and faster as companies hate having to maintain so many drivers.

[phinix]

Really? So I cannot keep 10?

You can, with some caveats.
Some people will tell you that you can use whatever OS you want as long as you want but the truth is you're not as in control of what OS you use as much they think. At some point support ends, new features start becoming an issue and new hardware lacks drivers. This was less an issue pre-internet but these days you need to stay at least somewhat up to date.

Anyhow, MS wants $25 a year (per system) to keep getting updates, though that may be only for businesses.

If you don't care about updates you can keep using it and you'll probably fine for a year or two, just don't count on Defender. After that threats will start to build up and you will spend more and more time fighting threats. Also driver support will start to wane, give it 5 years and you'll probably start to really feel the strain as you struggle to update hardware. At some point after that you'll struggle to find a good browser. However, all of this ignores Win12, once that drops you're going to be pushed out faster and faster as companies hate having to maintain so many drivers.

What would be the best choice nowadays to buy OS, if I have to now? And what source?

[tp4tissue]

People like Tp4 with zero-self-control should NOT go to dat mic0(entare..

[tp4tissue]

Microsoft forcing people to update to windows 11, 24H2 build to get the most fps on that new amd cpu scheduler.

 

Really? So I cannot keep 10?

Not if you want dat latest amd scheduler gaming performance. Intel can stay on win10.

[tp4tissue]

Motherboard vendors do not take SSD Cooling seriously.

They almost universally put no supports under the SSD, which means whatever cover heatsink they give you, will BEND the ssd downwards and create a pressure void in the middle as it bananas down.

The only way to fix this is to have 2 soft silicone posts in 1/3 length of the ssd to keep it from banana-ing.

[tp4tissue]

@ 430watts the GPU dumping heat increases the upper ssd temp by 11 c, lower ssd by 12 c, chipset by 7 c .

[phinix]

Jensen showed us good stuff, 5070 for $549, yep, one will go to me

[Leslieann]

What would be the best choice nowadays to buy OS, if I have to now? And what source?

As always you really only have 3(?) choices:
Windows 11 - If you need Windows this is where you need to go no matter how bad it is unless you want to tough it out until 12. keep in mind there is no guarantee 12 will be anytime soon or even an improvement and for every step forward Microsoft makes they take 2 steps back in terms for privacy, repairability and usability. And no, I do not subscribe to the every other version theory about how every other version is good/bad.

Mac - if you need or want Mac. Mac has its good and bad points but if you're leaving one walled garden why go behind an even taller wall and smaller garden. Keep in mind that Apple really controls when you upgrade, not just software, but also hardware and they can be rather brutal about it. They care very little about backwards compatibility, something Windows users are used to. You can still get Windows 10 (and a lesser extent 11) running on some VERY old devices, not so with Mac. Also,  Apple, like Microsoft is not your friend. They may play the privacy game better but it's not all rainbows as Apple users think it is.

Linux - pick a distro (or variant), for someone new I'd recommend Linux Mint for the first year or so, then re-evaluate each year. SteamOS is coming and will be great for new converts but for now the best distro depends on the person and use case though once you learn enough the distro becomes less of an issue and just a preference. Download Virtualbox and install it there until you get the hang of it a bit, there is a learning curve and what you know about Windows can both help and hurt you. Remember this is a different operating system, NOT a Windows replacement, so you will need to re-learn how to do a lot of things and accept that you may not be able to do all the same things, although those things are shrinking and a LOT of people now use it (30% growth in 2-3 years, for about 3% market share). It's still got a lot of catching up but it is catching up to Mac and SteamOS will very likely push it past that goalpost at some point in the near future. Will it catch Windows on the desktop, probably not any time soon (Windows is too entrenched in the office) but it could take over a lot of gaming machines. Linux gives a lot of freedom but it comes at the cost of too many yet too few choices and a somewhat steep learning curve.

Wild card
IOS - Apple is really trying to push this as a desktop OS and push Mac out/towards professionals. Personally I hate this idea but Apple really is pushing this to those who grew up in front of Ipads. Every year I wonder how much time Mac has left to live. Keep in mind that like Mac systems, IOS devices typically live longer than a Windows OS, once they get phased out they really become almost useless.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 very skeptical of the claims.

The slides compare "DLSS + RT" performance. Which might be an attempt to hide that the raster isn't up-ed by much.


The other thing is, if you look at their slide, 29fps 73ms latency to 245 fps 34ms latency w/ dlss4.

34ms of latency. 

So their performance claim is really mostly Interpolation.  What they've done mainly is relying further on the interpolation engine to make the frame counter higher.   But there's no reduction in input latency from dlss 2 to 4.

Interpolation is fine, but if you still feel the input lag, what's the point of having 245 fps.  Trading input for smoother blur.


For example, Play a game at 60fps, then at 120 fps. the visual smoothness is better, but ALSO, the tightness of the control.

Play a game at 60fps, Frame-gened up to 120fps, yea the panning looks smoother, but it still PLAYS like 60fps. You can feel the chugging when you try to move.  The interpolation also adds latency of its own, on top of reducing image quality.


The 5070 sounds like it's probably only 10-20% faster than 4070 raster.

[Leslieann]

5070 for $549

Good luck with that.
You'll fight scalpers at launch and shortly after (probably) tariffs.

So expect closer to $900.

[phinix]

5070 for $549

Good luck with that.
You'll fight scalpers at launch and shortly after (probably) tariffs.

So expect closer to $900.

I'll try to hunt one down at the start. I did that with 1080Ti, 3070, but I now, it may be hard...

[tp4tissue]

5070 for $549

Good luck with that.
You'll fight scalpers at launch and shortly after (probably) tariffs.

So expect closer to $900.

Tp4 has hurd at least 20% tariff is a done deal at this point.

Tp4 is not convinced 5070 offers enuff perf0man(e for general use.

[fohat.digs]

at least 20% tariff is a done deal at this point.

No amount of screaming in pain from the American public will have any consequence.

Once enshrined in orifice, Republicans will be free to inflict any policy they dream up with impunity.

Plus, once Drumpf has passed his final "use by" date, James Donald Bowman aka James David Hamel aka JDVance is waiting to begin it afresh.

And MAGA is heavily armed and eager to use up the ammunition that they have stockpiled - especially against the people who are trying to help them.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 ranks 7th 7900xtx score on Passmark.  LOL, kinda cuz no one uses passmark anymore. If you count people making multiple submissions, Tp4 technically has the 4th fastest 79xtx. Most of those high scores are all 1 guy.

Passmark is so problematic nowadays, you have to set amd settings for Vsync off in the main driver, otherwise for whatever reason, it's going to limit the framerate on even if technically the framerates are above your refreshrate. Weird, Makes no sense. For example, if Tp4 doesn't set vsync off, gets 180 in the dx12 test, set vsync off gets 293, the refreshrate is 144.

And the CPU makes a big difference in the dx9,10,11 tests, which also makes this benchmark kind of inaccurate.

[TomahawkLabs]

@Tp4, at what price point or situation to people reject modern PC gaming (the upgrade cycle) and scale back to just playing ROMs on emulators? I recently have been archiving some content I feel that needs to be saved because I fear that the way game distribution/licensing rights, etc are going we won't have access to these games. Doubly so for games that artificially tethered to the dev's servers. Ubisoft's CEO is already trying to shift the market into leasing games only and getting gamers "comfortable" with not owning their games. The industry is moving to make sure you never own the game and even if you do, they control how or if you can play it.

Right now you can build a Mini ITX pc with a Ryzen 5700g and it would play upscaled versions of the PS2/Gamecube generation of games at a consistent 60hz. The idea of creating a forever console running emulators on Linux has been very tempting.

[tp4tissue]

Gaming hasn't changed much since back in our day, we're all essentially playing reskinned-SAME-games from 40 years ago.

I don't think the upgrade cycle will be rejected. There's simply nothing else you can put "disposable income" into. What would you buy? The entertainment value of $2000 a year from video games is still far more than say, a 1-2 week cruise.

The poorer among us won't even have that much, might be around $300-800.

The only "challenge" to the video game industry might be the uprise in cam-e-girl services, and AI driven e-girls. This is a major new money sink for the traditionally lonely gamer nerds.

Tp4 is among the few Older gen Hardened Gamer #Roneries who would never trade GPU-money for E-girls, or even real-girls.

[fohat.digs]

Games. Never understood 'em

I find a couple of rounds of Solataire to be relaxing - occasionally - but the last thing I want to do is get my blood pressure and cortisol levels up and wasting my time by competing with a computer that I spent good money on making fast and efficient.

[Leslieann]

I don't think the upgrade cycle will be rejected.

People will wait, especially now that hardware is so good.

The biggest threat to low end PC gaming is consoles.
Specifically Nintendo.

[phinix]

...or even real-girls.

That made me laugh, tp, good one