Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[noisyturtle]

Why, back in 2016 my computer was just about the best money could buy! You could play Witcher 3 on almost max settings!

now it can barely run multiple Firefox tabs 

[phinix]

Why, back in 2016 my computer was just about the best money could buy! You could play Witcher 3 on almost max settings!

now it can barely run multiple Firefox tabs 

This is something that I don't get either - looking at new games, why they always so demanding? I don't really see improvement in graphics compared to games from last 2 years.
My beloved Witcher 3 can now run at 100fps in 4K, yes, but its 10 years old game!  Why every new generation of GPUs, lets take mid range **70 cards from nvidia always strugle at 4K level, barely going over 40fps in newest games? Are those games not optimised properly? Why do we have to constantly upgrade GPUs to keep new games running at decent level?

[tp4tissue]

Developers don't optimize their Enthusiast settings.

They just take their medium settings parameters, then multiply by 4-10x, the only thing they check is that it's just barely playable on the newest GPU.


Firefox issue is mainly just their internal spy-on-the-user updates. Surveillance Capitalism is what they call it. 1984's Big.

[tp4tissue]

Best Tp4 can describe,  the Nova sounds like, shheeeeh, Arctic sounds like, hhhrrrrreenhnmmm

[tp4tissue]

Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

[phinix]

...and I'm still trying to catch 5070, only Palit left, but shop was flooded and couldn't buy it, now they waiting with activating BUY button

[YALE70]

Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

Single digit percentage points from a 4080 Super (outside of RT) for - the people who are lucky and/or quick enough - $600. That's pretty enticing.

[Sniping]

Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

Single digit percentage points from a 4080 Super (outside of RT) for - th, people who are lucky and/or quick enough - $600. That's pretty enticing.

I think the $600 part will be a bit of a pipe dream, but only time will tell. I'm assuming most will end paying between the $700-$800 mark.

[TomahawkLabs]

GPUs are like any other good. The price will reflect the performance. Unless they are legally held liable to sell MSRP cards, every single manufacturer will price them for profit. GN did a report yesterday specifically calling out the 5070Ti MSRP of $750 as a crock and how every board partner was charging between high 800s low 900s, except for a single SKU which was not found at online retailers. If Nvidia actually cared we would have these cards available and available for MSRP, but greed is gonna greed.

[tp4tissue]

RGB fans.    Yes o' No.

[noisyturtle]

I've never cared for the RGB trend. Give me a super clean, high-quality build any day of the week.

I have seen some clean builds using white leds though, but it has to be restrained and classy 

[Leslieann]

Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

They won't put the XT on sale any time soon, but they will do the non-xt and both 7900. If they do drop the 7900 much at all they too become pretty really good choices as well )not that they weren't before.

[phinix]

I'll try to catch XT today, 2 hours from now... all prepared on website, payment pre-set, basket empty and cleaned up, F5 keycap shiny as hell, polished, switch lubed and ready to be abused

[tp4tissue]

Internet gnna' blow up when 9070xt goes on sale.

They won't put the XT on sale any time soon, but they will do the non-xt and both 7900. If they do drop the 7900 much at all they too become pretty really good choices as well )not that they weren't before.

Internet says the Big Heatsink 9070xt ones will be $730.  Which is reasonable.  Hopefully we get some $600 though. Because you put ptm on it, you don't need too huge a heatsink for 350watts.

The 7900xt and xtx are pretty much fully dried up.

[phinix]

For last 45 minutes I've been trying to get through cart to checkout...
Time-outs, 1000s of *******s sitting in that shop...

[phinix]

Went through to payment...

[tp4tissue]

Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations

[phinix]

Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations

Not yet tp, time-outs all the time, for last hour...
I keep refreshing to payment...

[tp4tissue]

Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations

Not yet tp, time-outs all the time, for last hour...
I keep refreshing to payment...

F5 working hard!

[tp4tissue]

Tp00r4 went to the outside this morning, and bought a used 2024 christmas walmart Grail PC off facebook . Talked him down to $800. Pretty decent deal.  7700 (nonx-cpu), xfx 7900gre, 2tb westernD blue 580, 32gb hynix teamgroup, 5 argb fans (2000rpm), 850w power supply, 240mm AIO.

Hell of a time figuring out how to configure the RGB. If the pump rgb is connected with the fans, the mobo detects a different standard for the pump, and the fans tweak out.

So gotta remove the pump RGB, detect, then put pump back. It was wired from the factory all to 1 single ARGB header. Probably because of this configuration problem with mismatched rgb controls between hardware.


Tp4 usin' dat Cybrpnk' Edgerunner color scheme.

Kind of slightly upset, that the color management on either the fans or the mobo skews the white point so much such that you can't get a very good yellow. It's far more green than yellow.    The Purple looks pretty decent.

Water pump is blech, brrrr noise.  The reviews about the powersupply are right, it's way too loud. It's a 140mm fan, but Tp4 don't have any extras, so just swapped it with a 120 from the thermalright c12 5pack. Set it to respond to GPU+CPU temp sensors using fancontrol. Way quieter.

Testing the Board power Mosfets now. Seeing if it can overheat.

[phinix]

Sapphire is the best 9070xt. Congratulations

Not yet tp, time-outs all the time, for last hour...
I keep refreshing to payment...

F5 working hard!

Website is down...

I may have lost my basket item.. F5 F5 F5!!! 

[phinix]

Clicked PAY NOW.
timed out...
Trying again...

[tp4tissue]

Clicked PAY NOW.
timed out...
Trying again...

The market is crazy.

[YALE70]

Clicked PAY NOW.
timed out...
Trying again...

Fingers crossed!

The standard 9070 is apparently quite good too. Also sounds like in-person stock - at least at Microcenter - seems to be decent. Online is the same old story.

[tp4tissue]

This pc can pull pretty hard.

79 watt during memory training (boot)
140 watt boot
72 watt desktop idle
110 watt youtube 4K playback
225 watt CPU full load
600 watt CPU + GPU full load, 7700+7900gre, full overclock.

It is slightly thermal throttling when in furmark + cpu burner.

This low tier 850w PSU should handle it, so the margin is there, buhh.. Tp4 would call it tight.

[tp4tissue]

Sigh.. now trying to find the "right shade of purple" cables to match the lights.

God damn it, there aren't that many purples available and they're all wrong.

Guess maybe go with pink, but.. hrrrm...

[tp4tissue]

NoPe, Black is the only color that matches at all.

[tp4tissue]

Certified by Tp4, Double PHD in Jank and Poortitude.

-1 directional-airflow from removing clear plastic air-guide
-1, 400 fewer rpm
+1 flow-turbulence
+2 silent
+1 motherboard pwm control
+0.5 no grill (flow obstruction)
+0.5 no ball bearing noise
= +3 Mod performance.

Stock fan is horrible. Idle rpm too high + sloppy bearings

[phinix]

Jeeeez... spent whole day in front of PC trying to get that card...
Last batch of 9070XT was released after 10pm. 300 cards went out in about 30 seconds.
...
but I got one

Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB

Daaaaaiiiiimmmm! My first RED card. 3070 is going out on ebay now.


P.S.
I need a new psu... :/

[tp4tissue]

The only difference between PSUs in reality is whether or not they increase coil whine with a specific GPU.  Trial and error unfortunately.

[noisyturtle]

I'm a bit worried about not being able to run GTA6 when it comes out. But then again, if I had $5k laying around I'd get a car, not a new pc.
It seems like pc prices have increased over the past couple years, do you think lower income people will eventually get priced out of being able to afford computers and internet?

[YALE70]

Jeeeez... spent whole day in front of PC trying to get that card...
Last batch of 9070XT was released after 10pm. 300 cards went out in about 30 seconds.
...
but I got one

Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB

Daaaaaiiiiimmmm! My first RED card. 3070 is going out on ebay now.


P.S.
I need a new psu... :/

Congrats! I think you're gonna really like it.

Surprised Sapphire went with 12VHPWR for their cards. Especially not shunting them properly in regards to overcurrent protection (though I guess an ATX 3.0 PSU would handle that). Don't imagine it would be an issue at that power draw though.

[TomahawkLabs]

I'm a bit worried about not being able to run GTA6 when it comes out. But then again, if I had $5k laying around I'd get a car, not a new pc.
It seems like pc prices have increased over the past couple years, do you think lower income people will eventually get priced out of being able to afford computers and internet?

Good news, it won't come out for PC for 6 months to a year after it releases on the first batch of consoles.

[phinix]

Jeeeez... spent whole day in front of PC trying to get that card...
Last batch of 9070XT was released after 10pm. 300 cards went out in about 30 seconds.
...
but I got one

Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB

Daaaaaiiiiimmmm! My first RED card. 3070 is going out on ebay now.


P.S.
I need a new psu... :/

Congrats! I think you're gonna really like it.

Surprised Sapphire went with 12VHPWR for their cards. Especially not shunting them properly in regards to overcurrent protection (though I guess an ATX 3.0 PSU would handle that). Don't imagine it would be an issue at that power draw though.

This one has 2x8pin sockets. I have SFX 600W PSU, but going to swap it with SFX Antec SF850X 850 Watt

[phinix]

tp, you are the RED side specialist - please tell me what should I know about those AMD cards.
What apps do I need to install?
So their DLSS is called FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 4 with AI Upscaling?
FreeSync is nvidia's Gsync, for vrr.

Drivers - I bought Sapphire, but for drivers I go to AMD here?
Should I go with Adrenalin Edition 770MB file?

[phinix]

Wow, prices just went up now, after initial batch of cards went out for MSRP £569.99
Now its £629.99

[tp4tissue]

tp, you are the RED side specialist - please tell me what should I know about those AMD cards.
What apps do I need to install?
So their DLSS is called FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 4 with AI Upscaling?
FreeSync is nvidia's Gsync, for vrr.

Drivers - I bought Sapphire, but for drivers I go to AMD here?
Should I go with Adrenalin Edition 770MB file?

Ngreedia used AI to bad-mouth AMD.

Everything works exactly like you'd expect. Drivers are stable. Some very old games might be badly supported but, mainly because they were bad from the getgo, like cnc4 tiberium twilight.

Yes get the Adrenalin drivers.

VRR works as well as Gsync.

FSR4 just like DLSS is hit or miss because it requires game engine support from developers. It's spotty on both sides outside of BIG studios with bigger support group.

[tp4tissue]

Staring @ dat rjibii all day. 

Some reflections.

The main problem which occurs when rjibii looks bad, is when young people fill up all the slots.

Shadow is its own color.  Without contrast, the rjibii looks bawdy.

The light should provide Accent/Highlight, without calling too much attention to itself.


All computers dress themselves up to _Be attractive, but Restraint is the line between elegance and prostitution.

[Leslieann]

The only difference between PSUs in reality is whether or not they increase coil whine with a specific GPU.  Trial and error unfortunately.

A lot of older and cheaper PSUs had some issues with 30 and 40 series GPUs due to how they handle transition loads (low power to high power suddenly), so you do need a new-ish design and enough power. At this point there's enough people with newer cards and PSUs that reviews should cover if there's an issue but it can be a problem.

[phinix]

The only difference between PSUs in reality is whether or not they increase coil whine with a specific GPU.  Trial and error unfortunately.

A lot of older and cheaper PSUs had some issues with 30 and 40 series GPUs due to how they handle transition loads (low power to high power suddenly), so you do need a new-ish design and enough power. At this point there's enough people with newer cards and PSUs that reviews should cover if there's an issue but it can be a problem.

Leslieann, would me problem be related to what you just said - my daughter got 4070Super year ago and we've been having strange problem with it since installed it.
Randomly, monitor does not get signal from pc. Sometimes, it doesnt get signal from the moment pc is turned on, sometimes it doesn't get it when rebooted, or when waken up.
I need to turn it off and many times, unplug the gpu to get it sorted.
We changed everything, reinstalled windows, drivers, changed monitor, Displayport cable, PSU, gpu 12pin adapter, mobo, then whole new PC was bought.
Card went back to shop, but they sent it back as couldn't not find a fault

[tp4tissue]

If you tested the card in a whole other pc, then it's probably the card. Try a different displayport and pcie.

If you're using high refresh, set it to 8bit instead of 10 or 12 see if that helps. 

[tp4tissue]

okokok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?

[phinix]

If you tested the card in a whole other pc, then it's probably the card. Try a different displayport and pcie.

If you're using high refresh, set it to 8bit instead of 10 or 12 see if that helps. 

I did all that.
Today noticed something in BIOS - thee is setting to pick PCIe gen, it was on Auto, so changed it to 4, will see if that helps...

[tp4tissue]

Today noticed something in BIOS - thee is setting to pick PCIe gen, it was on Auto, so changed it to 4, will see if that helps...

Might even change it to 2-3 just in case.

[tp4tissue]

The scythe Grand tornado just arrived.

RPM matched. Within 1degree of the Arctic.

However, one of the fans came with a busted bearing, very loud churning noise.   It seems quality control on these isn't great.  Otherwise, aesthetically the build quality is fine, not as rigid as the Nova, but pretty rigid..

The Arctic also has one fan with a slightly louder bearing, but not nearly to the extent as this Thoroughly busted one.


Kinda bummed that all these expensive fans are Mehhh...

[tp4tissue]

Cable combs makes Tp4 wnt to kill himself.

[Sniping]

okokok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?

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are you trying to go for a clean look? I'd just order a custom cable so you can get exactly what you want.

I was eyeing the 9070 release yesterday a bit, and looks like one of my local stores didn't even sell out of their more expensive 9070xt model. Newegg also didn't sell out of a mislabeled 9070xt for $800 last time I saw. I gave it some thought the night before and decided to stick with the 4080S I just got despite all this.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 bough dat sleeved extensions w/ the combs, the 8pin is reasonable enough to work with, but it's very difficult to artistically-Pose the 24pin, it just kinda looks bad no matter how you fanaggle it.

The 180 adapter seems the only way to clean it up.

[tp4tissue]

8pin looks good,

The 24pin looks awful Tp4, just kill yourself.  

[tp4tissue]

What happened to RGB power supplies?