Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[Leslieann]

Pixart sensors are superior to logitech hero, for a long time now.

Too bad most companies couldn't make decent software (Logitech included), firmware and wireless if their life depended on it.
Seems they may have finally caught up.



Good.

[tp4tissue]

Firmware is definitely more spotty on the off brand mice. But they've come a long way.  Rapoo is a major oem, so they have the labs for it. Their customized firmware is well tested (at this point). Lots of issues initially when they switch used the Nordic SOC like everyone else. But with the new Realtek one in the new pro max, they've nailed it, they had used it since the vt9pro air. It's got great battery life and stable connection quality.   

I have the dongle tied right under the table where the mouse usually is. Wood table.

[phinix]

What is best mouse nowadays - I mean I have Logi Pro Superlight - what is next best mouse on market now?
Alternative to Logitech. Wireless with software that will let me storage a sign in mouse's memory, like Logitech does (I need this f**ing pound sign recorded in mouse as I use ANSI keybaords but need that symbol).

[tp4tissue]

Only logitech has a decent profile on mouse system.

Most other companies don't bother nowadays outside of the few MMO mouse.

[phinix]

Only logitech has a decent profile on mouse system.

Most other companies don't bother nowadays outside of the few MMO mouse.

I see. So I have no choice, then get new Logi mouse

[tp4tissue]

So.. like, what we're hearing is, they can't even react to tariff collection so quickly.

But the retailer has jacked up prices anyway.  In the meantime it's just extra profit.  Long run, I guess we'll have a crunch.


Monitors/TVs are probably the big things to get.


If an entry lvl $500 tv is suddenly $1000, That's a big deal, because you're getting less than half the performance. These things are pretty flaky already, if they reduced board costs/ drivers/ psu, TVs would become even more unreliable.

[fohat.digs]

jacked up prices anyway.

it's just extra profit.

Same as it ever was.

[tp4tissue]

The exemptions. This saves nasdaq, buhhhhh there's so much more than nasdaq, and cascade failures are still possible.

People forget, you need a strong jobs market so people can afford to buy all them electronax.


If we're getting to the point where people are being priced out of eating  @ MikeyD.  Hrrrm..?

[tp4tissue]

Ya'll see Marathon?  Is that fun? 


Tp4 can't tell anymore, he plays starcraft 1 and quak3arenr.

[phinix]

Ya'll see Marathon?  Is that fun? 


Tp4 can't tell anymore, he plays starcraft 1 and quak3arenr.

Q3 is better than marathon watching

[tp4tissue]

Ya'll see Marathon?  Is that fun? 


Tp4 can't tell anymore, he plays starcraft 1 and quak3arenr.

Q3 is better than marathon watching

The new marathon "shooter", LOL, of course actual marathons are not fundamentally spectator sports.

[tp4tissue]

Jesus christ, the Final boss,  turning down resolution to 1080p 144hz for maximum responsiveness.

[tp4tissue]

Classic movie mode.

[tp4tissue]

5060ti.

Just Yuck.. $650-700 for that?

[tp4tissue]

So, we've witnessed a few spotty events of $430 for the 5060ti.

Let's compare 9070xt is 166% as fast as 5060ti.

9070xt, $750 + $600 pc, = $1350   $8.13 per % performance
5060ti, $430 + $600 pc, = $1030     $10.30 per % performance

Absolutely ridiculous even at MSRP.

But at the street price of $600-700. tssss.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 extremely tempted by sale on AIO, arctic 360 for $90.

If only these things were (easily) refillable.

[tp4tissue]

Let's talk about power phases.

24 phases for vCore in the form of 110 A Renesas R2209004 SPS,

870e Taichi, a $400 motherboard.

If you have a motherboard capable of 24x110A, 2640 amps. 

The most power hungry CPU you can possibly put into the socket is only 200 amp.

Then you're using at maximum 7.5% of the VRM capacity. This is inefficient utilization because Powerstages like to be around 20-30% utilization, giving its highest efficiency. Even assuming they might have a mechanism to turn off phases, it's A huge waste of money for the end user.

They also put a big expensive heatsink on there when with so many phases, they can run completely passive.

Powerstages around 88% + efficient, in the 15-30% range they are 95%+.

Motherboard market is stupid, when VRMs are entirely Decorative, and you can't even see them, because they're under a heatsink.

You realistically only need 8 of those 110sps chips, so assuming they can get these at $8 a pop, that's 16x$8 + cap + inductor + route, conservatively $150-170 worth of "decorative components."

[tp4tissue]

5060ti what an awful card. Tp4 hates 5060ti only slightly less than maximum hate for 4060ti.

But he hates 8gb vram most of all.

[tp4tissue]

Big scandal. Latest crop of Asrock 8series motherboards apparently Overvolts and kills people's cpus.

It's probably not overvolt, as volts don't kill cpus, Amps kill cpus.

[tp4tissue]

Ohhh hohohohoho... Intel going new socket. Surprise Surprise, The ol' new socket every CPU architecture. Here we go..


But they must be pretty confident of the performance, since it's a big ask.   Everyone that got 285 and 265 got scrood.

[tp4tissue]

Don't understand it, AM4 doesn't make any sense, why are people buying it. It's not cheaper by nearly enough.

[tp4tissue]

Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.

[Leslieann]

Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.

They all visit the same truck stops which is where they get them.

[tp4tissue]

Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.

They all visit the same truck stops which is where they get them.

This evil heatset monopoly must be stopped.

[tp4tissue]

Just checked Hisense u9n review. //Rekt,  IPS ? Are they insane. why Hisense, Whhyy.

TCL qm7k, qm6k,  soooooo apparently they "Didn't" get wide angle. It's the same damn front end, but with better backlight drive.

Kinda bummed now. /max disappoint

[phinix]

Have you guys noticed all truckers use the same headset? WHuddupw/dat.

They all visit the same truck stops which is where they get them.

This evil heatset monopoly must be stopped.

BlueParrott or Eksa? Good noise cancelling etc

[tp4tissue]

Wharm weather setting in.

Flip on pc gamn' for 30 minutes,  room goes to 89 degrees.

Whole rig + display + sound, 700watts.


We should go back to 10watt supernintendis.

[tp4tissue]

Beige old pc cases are going for $150-300 on ebay. "Vintage" pc case.

Internet is a stupid place.

[tp4tissue]

Man, where are those new Arctic pro fans. Why haven't they released them yet.

[tp4tissue]

Someone with 5800x3d should benchmark Tempest Rising.

[Leslieann]

Someone with 5800x3d should benchmark Tempest Rising.

Woot new Command And Conquer!!!
Definitely going to buy it once it comes down in price soon.

edit: corrected

[YALE70]

Highly doubt anybody here gives a rat's ass about Alienware pre-builts (for good reason), but I thought this was cool.

TLDW: Dell finally made an Alienware desktop with regular ATX mounting, a cooling solution that doesn't suck, and mostly a inoffensive chassis design. But they opted to chuck in a mobo and PSU with non-standard power connectors - so you have to replace both if you decide to change one or the other in the future. It's still a Dell product after all!

I wouldn't buy one, but it's at least nice to see they're finally listening to criticism and moving the brand in a better direction than it was on post-acquisition.

[YALE70]

Woot new Command And Conquer!!!

Tempest Rising

Crud, you had me really excited there for a minute. I still want to check it out though. Been dying for a new C&C ever since they stupidly cancelled Generals 2.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 just got dat logitech g535, pretty gud sound. Very tame bass, smooth and even. Treble follows harmon, no surprises. Functional, comfort pretty good. Earpads are removable. They sell the gel kind for it.

Range is gud, you don't need extension cords or nothing, the antenna module is big enough just by itself behind the pc.

Was onsale for $40, prolly can't do better for $40.  Wouldn't get it full price, prolly get sennheiser wired at the $100+ lvl.

[Leslieann]

Crud, you had me really excited there for a minute. I still want to check it out though. Been dying for a new C&C ever since they stupidly cancelled Generals 2.

One of the devs from C&C is involved and calls it a spiritual successor. Only played a short time but I would say that's accurate. And with no Naval (naval is hard according to the devs) it mimmics Generals a bit as well.

Keep in mind it was accidentally released early with some bugs and people were happy enough they let it go and are patching as fast as they can so early reviews shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt. For example some reports said only 30 gigs was needed, it's now 50. On the other hand, it shows the devs are working hard on it.

It's nice, but I'd wait for a sale before buying.
And embrace the jank, remember the original didn't really take itself too seriously.

But they opted to chuck in a mobo and PSU with non-standard power connectors - so you have to replace both if you decide to change one or the other in the future. It's still a Dell product after all!

I was reading all of that and waiting for that part. It figures, they just can't help themselves.
I wonder if aftermarket ram still burns up after a year of use like it used to as well.

[tp4tissue]

Most people buy new boards with new CPUs. It's not a huge huge problem. But the goal of alienware is to sell a commodity product at luxury pricing, and THAT has not changed.

There's nothing mechanically premium about their machine.  With computers, they're usually obsolete before they "break" for most users. So, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to build a bullet proof mission critical machine.

With the casing, they have the opportunity to go premium, but they don't have the right artists, their industrial design is very bland..

[tp4tissue]

One of the devs from C&C is involved and calls it a spiritual successor. Only played a short time but I would say that's accurate. And with no Naval (naval is hard according to the devs) it mimmics Generals a bit as well.

Keep in mind it was accidentally released early with some bugs and people were happy enough they let it go and are patching as fast as they can so early reviews shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt. For example some reports said only 30 gigs was needed, it's now 50. On the other hand, it shows the devs are working hard on it.

It's nice, but I'd wait for a sale before buying.
And embrace the jank, remember the original didn't really take itself too seriously.

The performance of the game is excellent. They've optimized it well, not inputting any useless fluff that just eats framerates.

Digitalfoundaries recommend playing at 120fps as some of the unit animations run at half framerate.  Tp4 guess it's prolly because UE5 has alot of physics bugs when you go above 100fps.

Seems like the in game upgrade perks revolve around the hero units and buffing the "comms" ability.  So it's like Warcraft 3 AOE.  This makes it a bit more control intensive.

[tp4tissue]

Tempest Rising supports FSR3 and Framegen.

Not that you'd need it, 4K native looks very good and runs very well already.

Guess someone could turn it on at higher than native res, and it would work like additional antialiasing, but this particular game isn't hampered by aliasing in general. Tp4 can barely notice any aliasing at real viewing distances. It has internal AA, which is prolly some sort of fx/smaa.

The trees end up looking weird with Framegen, it's like they're all glued together and not as Leafy.  That does come down to personal taste, as some people prefer different tree looks.

Higher than native incurs a loss in sharpness for some textures (and text) as it invokes the downscaler, which uses cheaper methods (to be fast, and not eat resources).

[Leslieann]

The performance of the game is excellent. They've optimized it well, not inputting any useless fluff that just eats framerates.

They really did.
My GPU was at 99% and getting high 170, low 180s (1440p epic), with 1% lows still in the low 170s.

I just wish I could zoom out a bit more. Not sure why that is always such an issue on RTS games. Less detail (I don't need to see name tags on the troops) and more eye in the sky, please.

[tp4tissue]

Trebuchet tanks. Love um'

They deploy for big range.  All you need is to kite the enemy into them, and everything is destroyed. Works well with any stealth unit as spotter during pushes.

The drone guys are really powerful, but very micro intensive.  Depending on playstyle, alot of the smaller units are very squishy.

[phinix]

I may try it out, was waiting for it, phinix = big fan of old school RTS

[tp4tissue]

Omg, it's true, Unkillable carriers.  Put 12 drones in 2 riot vants, put 2 riot van and 2 engineers into a Skycrane transport.  It turns into a Terran Carrier + self healing, the AI is not setup to deflect these.   Against a human player, these would be useless, as they would be focused down, and they're too expensive to lose, they're not fast units.  But against AI, they only attack the drones.

Don't beat missions with them. Too OP.

[tp4tissue]

Jesus Christ.  Tp4 playn' dat Tempest Rising for 1 hour emits 0.5 lbs of CO2 @ 700watts/hour

Equivalent to burning 0.25lb of coal.

This isn't even accounting for the cost of the machine, the content, the delivery infrastructure.

[tp4tissue]

Internet was triggered today.

But realistically, you only need the 2x zips Tp4 circled.

Everything else is a waste, because they don't impede or improve airflow.  The next time you need to change something, you'll have to waste more zip ties, ONTOP of the hassle.

This is not proper cable management, this is inexperience. 

[tp4tissue]

I mean.. the 5090 is kinda of a Good Deal.

If you think, well, they could sell an AI card for 30,000 to 100,000.  You're getting roughly the same die area for $3500.

That's like, almost a steal.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4 is thankful that switching audio device is so easy now. Just 3 clicks.

Back in the day, OMG

[tp4tissue]

There is something deeply biological.

Tp4 love these siege tanks more than anything else in this world. You build too many, it's a recipe for shelf-ownage, because one misstep you nail all of your own dudes.


So much fun, the campaigns are short, but it's well crafted and not boringly drawn out, and heck it's also not $80.  It's about a 20-25 hour campaign length if you play slowly, learning the units for the first time.  Maybe another 10 hours of playing through the highest difficulty, worthy challenge, the challenge makes it fun.

Then of course there's the Online.  Though Tp4 handily gettn' Noob Stomped by Smurfs.


GDF definitely seems like the stronger faction, because they have so many abilities that mingle well. Whereas the Russian guys pretty much just has Distribution mode, the powerplant speedbuffs the production building, but it doesn't produce fast enough to offset the GDF unit stats and cheeses, as the maps are large enough such that the rate doesn't radically change your time to engage.

[tp4tissue]

Been playing with the gpu capture functions.

Honestly 100mbit for 4K 60 is not enough. They chose this probably because that's more than any streaming service/youtube would allow you to push anyway.

But still, maybe for personal use, they should allow higher.

If you think about Blurays being ~100mbit, at 24fps 4K, with uber quality encoding. At 60fps, it'd be 250mbit. And blurays already have quite alot of sharpness loss.

Raw 4K PC output to 24hz of movies, it's still 6.17 Gigabit, smooshed into 100mbit is already insane.

Korea has 10Gigabit internet, they could pretty much send you raw 4K, although no service can do that at scale.


THEN AGAIN, Korea won't be a country in 30 years, so maybe it's a good thing America doesn't have 10Giga.

[tp4tissue]

What kind of sucks is. If you render more than 60fps, then you can't really record 60 properly, as the frame pacing is off, and it looks juddery.

So, you need multiples of 60. But then alot of games can't reach 120. So you can't play your max fps while recording.

It' doesn't matter if it's many many multiples, for example 316+ fps because then the pacing is only offset by much smaller fractions.

[tp4tissue]

SSDs  are getting a bit too power hungry.