Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[tp4tissue]

Intake fans. Most cases have holes that make alot of extra noise due to wind sheer.

[Leslieann]

SSDs  are getting a bit too power hungry.

*3 months from now*
You guys can afford SSDs?

[tp4tissue]

I think the pause on tariff was the surrender. They're probably indicating, well, politically, we'll say China's still on the fritz, but we're not going to do anything about the south asia trans-ship situation, which they were already setting up since before the announcements.


Then again, if it's accurate that 30% of truckers are losing their jobs.  LOL, this is full on collapse.  The scoreboard might be frozen, but it means little if nothing's moving.

[tp4tissue]

Dirt Rally 2,

Nope, turns out Tp4 doesn't know how is drive car. The tracks are supposedly highly realistic, which comes down to them being quite narrow (for racing games).  Really hard to play on controller.

The way the realism is set up, kind of have to memorize the track because you can't react to some fairly blind corners, especially if the pitch of the road changes unexpectedly.

Hrrrmm.. Guess Tp4 just wasn't ready for this. 

[tp4tissue]

Interesting, Tp4 was just doing another psu fan replacement on an old hx620, classic PSU.

It has a classic style wire fan grill.  Without the grill, there is less wind noise. easily confirmed, just move the fan grill over the spinning fans, and it makes cchhhhhhh sounds.

So it seems grills in general, be it from the case itself or on the psu natively, if removable, WHEN removed, will always reduce noise.

[tp4tissue]

No m0ar skype , thoughts?

Tp4 wasted $20 in skype bux never used. .

[tp4tissue]

You ever look up a graphics setting, no one knows what it does, but then everyone has an opinion about turning it on or off.

[tp4tissue]

Clair Obscur,

This is just 700 watts of paper mario.

/Old man noises.

[tp4tissue]

Well.... the soundtrack's pretty gud'

[tp4tissue]

Why is Lune not wearing shoes?

There's all the fallen people's shoes around, she couldn't find a pair?

[tp4tissue]

$830-1000 5070ti
$750-830 9070xt

Buy now, or wait 1-2 years. Could be ruff.

[tp4tissue]

Clair Obscur, Tp4 recommended settings.

Use TSR upscaling.  It preserves the "context" of the game best. For example, the magical sparkly stuff, both dlss and xess will consider this noise, and make them nearly matte/invisible.   TSR preserves the intent the best.

TSR looks great all the way down to 50% output to 4K.
Xess has this weird blur.
DLSS too flat.

Oversharpening: There's a mod, to remove sharpening. download it. it works gud.

Antialiasing: Med
- Not worth on high/epic, huge performance tank. Most of the game's aliasing comes from specular aliasing, which this function doesn't even help. It's more worth it to turn up the render resolution.

Shadow:  High
-Epic increases draw distance, unnecessary, get a good chunk of performance back using high, still looks great.

Global Illumination:  Epic
-It changes the complexity/accuracy of lighting/ ambient occlusions, this really showcases the lumines lighting engine.
-Set to high if you're strapped

Reflections: High or Epic
-Makes very little performance difference
-Low, Med basically removes ScreenSpace reflections,  not recommended, you lose depth,

Post Processing: Low or High
-The perf. difference between High Epic is alot
-Use Low to disable DOF (Tp4's recommended)
-Separate toggles available for, Motion blur (disable), Filmgrain (disable), Chromatic Aberration (disable), Vignette (enable)
- Blur is bad, you got lcd/oled blur, no need for more blur.
- Filmgrain is a camera effect, but it's too noisy in this game, clashes with the busy textures, just a sandy mess
- Chromatic Aberration, always turn off, it keeps the center in focus, blurs the outer 50% of your visual field, BAD BAD BAD
- Vignette, darkens the corners. You can keep this on if you like the look, again a lens effect.

Texture: Epic
- Engine is well optimized, no need to turn it down unless you have less than 8gb vram. If you have 8 and up, you're fine with Epic.

Visual Effects: Med or Epic
- Affects complexity of effects, surfaces, explosions, speculars.
- Not a huge performance hog, Medium to keep the look of the game intact, Epic if you've got spare. 2-3% performance diff, not much.

Foliage: Do this one last (to taste). The how much grass setting.
- Turn it up and down to get a few more frames at the very end of tweaking.

Shading: High
- Just high. Leave it.
- Epic increases distance, waste


Render resolution: Set to 50% looks fine. 

100% increases blurring for most "effects", it does however reduce aliasing, but again, not that bad in this game.

The upscaler is well tuned, 50% looks sharper in most cases when it comes to texture,

100% resolution (3840x2160)



50% resolution (slightly higher than 2560x1440ish, )

[tp4tissue]

Clair Obscur,

The battle system becomes a bit convoluted later in the game. These mechanics don't really seem necessary with the parry system.


And people "praising the writing," real headscratcher here, the writing is pretty bad, barely-not-awful. What are people smoking, what exactly do people like about this plot.

There's no depth, allegories, it's entirely a stagnant fishy tub of cloudy rainwater..

[tp4tissue]

Update on Rapoo vt3Pro Max.

Tp4 getting approximately 200hr battery life on 1000hz, confirmed on the 800mah battery.

Gladly pay the weight difference, those Stooopid 200mah mice just to save 8-10g are insanity.

[tp4tissue]

This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.

Everywhere, just Fog...  Other than Fog, the game, aka silent hill,  can't think of another one with this much "obscur."

Swear to god, 60% of the Gpu usage is this fog.

[tp4tissue]

Got to act 3,

Yup, was right about the story, AI could write better.

After all the AI generated assets, they've gone and ruined it all with human written story.

[tp4tissue]

So, who's this game for.

If you "enjoy" magic the gathering, but you hate the concept of card collections.

This is a very palatable version of the make-numbers-bigger mental exercise.

Overall:

B+ gameplay (of genre),
C- story,
B- graphics (UE5 AI generated Assets).
C- music (Heavy use of AI)
B- UI, for the genre, it's not the worst, but they need to add a storage system for configurations. Fire build, Ice build, Ice Break, Dark Quick, Light Turn-1 etc.



Replayability, If you've replayed any super robot wars, you can replay this.

Works ok on keyboard, but best on controller.

[tp4tissue]

9070 GRE,  Thoughts?

[phinix]

I guess it depends on usage - if you play 4K, then I would nto go with GRE. 1440 is fine, same as 5070.

[tp4tissue]

The 9070xt is the new 7900xtx

The 9070 is the new 7900xt

9070gre is the new 7900gre


They're within 1-3% of each other. So, the prices and performance are basically the same (+12% raytracing), but THEY make more money because of smaller silicon.

[tp4tissue]

Wachn' Dooom Annihilation getting ready for, The Dark Ages.

It's gud' enuff decent for a B-mewvy. At least the sets look pretty good, simple but convincing.

[phinix]

Wachn' Dooom Annihilation getting ready for, The Dark Ages.

It's gud' enuff decent for a B-mewvy. At least the sets look pretty good, simple but convincing.

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I didnt know there is one after original Doom from 2005 - I liked that one, remember I went to cinema and loved the end bit when they switched to FPP view for a minute, all peeps in the room were laughing and shouting

[tp4tissue]

Wonder if it'll be easier to buy a 9070gre.

[Sniping]

Wonder if it'll be easier to buy a 9070gre.

have you been able to find fair pricing on 9070xt/5070ti? there's a local retailer to me that's been restocking 9070xt for $750, which is good enough. good enough to just get one and not have to think about getting scammed for a GPU anymore. It seems that the GRE might not be too far behind the XT in price so not sure if it's worth waiting for

[Leslieann]

This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.

Fallout 4 Far Harbor DLC, which was almost as large as a full Fallout game, had just as much fog or more.

[tp4tissue]

This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.

Fallout 4 Far Harbor DLC, which was almost as large as a full Fallout game, had just as much fog or more.

Did LL play dat clair obscur yet?  It's all about the turn based rpg combat.

[Leslieann]

This is probably the #1 or #2, foggiest games ever.

Fallout 4 Far Harbor DLC, which was almost as large as a full Fallout game, had just as much fog or more.

Did LL play dat clair obscur yet?  It's all about the turn based rpg combat.

No but it looks interesting.

[tp4tissue]

Seems like the 9070xt is in a big stocking round.

Getm' before Trade War++

You'll be playn' dat Tempest Rising in the last few days of the apocalypse @ 150fps

[tp4tissue]

No more cheap gud' LCD TVs.

This is terrible for daytime use..

[YALE70]

Hardware Unboxed managed to review an RTX 5060 (despite getting blacklisted from Nvidia themselves, I'm guessing).

No surprises here: it's crap. 8GB VRAM and the 3060 Ti and 3070 regularly throw punches with or surpass it.

[tp4tissue]

If it was $150 cheaper, maybe.


In reality, 9070xt is still profitable at $500. It's just jacked because of AI taking up all supply.

[tp4tissue]

Know a couple peeps who have bought used gamrn' laptops.

Don't, almost all of them have CPU+GPU solder problems from the thermal stress.

Virtually no one properly take care of laptops. The higher the wattage the more risky the purchase.

[tp4tissue]

Japanese Drift Master, it's... well.. the streets are so narrow and with the incoming cars, feels weird.

It's simcade to an extent, and Tp4 is reminded just how "less fun" more realistic drifting actually is, because of spin outs and how the high inertia of the car means it feels like steering a big brick.  So, this ain't RidgeRicer.

Performance wise, lots of stutter because of UE5, not sure this was the right call, even though it "looks great."

[tp4tissue]

4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

Wait for the class action = Profit ?

[Leslieann]

Hardware Unboxed managed to review an RTX 5060 (despite getting blacklisted from Nvidia themselves, I'm guessing).

No surprises here: it's crap. 8GB VRAM and the 3060 Ti and 3070 regularly throw punches with or surpass it.

They're trying to do similar to Gamers Nexus, they're just scared to pull the trigger and really anger Steve.

Nvidia keeps telling us they hate us (gamers and youtubers) and don't want to deal with us and how we're such a drag on their bottom line, so don't buy from them and you can make everyone happy.

4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

This connector is actually the first reason I went AMD instead of Nvidia (second being Nvidia itself).

That connector is bad, it was a poor design (in a lot of ways) with little headroom and then they did poor implementation of it as well (middle of the card aimed at glass). The fact that they implemented a check to make sure it was in all the way (which doesn't work well enough obviously) tells you they knew it was an issue.

I won't argue, PC power doesn't need a makeover but get a consortium of the people involved to do it (power supply, motherboard, video card, and cpu manufacturers), this way you get something that you all agree on, can spot problems early, and will become a functional standard for the next 20 years. Side note, they actually are working on this now, it will be a second slot behind the pcie slot that will provide power through the motherboard and provides up to 800 watts (I think).

[Sniping]

4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

Wait for the class action = Profit ?

not a terrible idea.. I bought a macbook about 10 years ago, so many class actions on it that I basically got the whole thing refreshed for free (I dropped it onto pavement a year or two into my ownership so this was perfect lol). though, if you ask me, the ship has sailed for good 4090 deals. a lot of people were dumping their cards after the 5090 announcement in jan and that was the perfect time to buy one. prices have swung up higher than they were before the 5000 series was announced now.

[Sniping]

4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

This connector is actually the first reason I went AMD instead of Nvidia (second being Nvidia itself).

That connector is bad, it was a poor design (in a lot of ways) with little headroom and then they did poor implementation of it as well (middle of the card aimed at glass). The fact that they implemented a check to make sure it was in all the way (which doesn't work well enough obviously) tells you they knew it was an issue.

I won't argue, PC power doesn't need a makeover but get a consortium of the people involved to do it (power supply, motherboard, video card, and cpu manufacturers), this way you get something that you all agree on, can spot problems early, and will become a functional standard for the next 20 years. Side note, they actually are working on this now, it will be a second slot behind the pcie slot that will provide power through the motherboard and provides up to 800 watts (I think).

I know that exists in some form already, Asus has this thing called BTF but you need a specific motherboard and GPU that won't work on boards that don't have this feature (so like every motherboard except a few). It's a much more steady solution if you ask me, but this whole idea just reminds me how archaic this whole concept of having separate components coming from all different manufacturers is. apple taking the move to just bake in the motherboard, cpu, gpu and storage into one big component is way closer to what I'd like to see. runs so much faster and more efficient, and would be way easier to optimize unified hardware packages for gaming and other applications. AMD and maybe intel are poised to make the same leap that apple did, but no idea why it hasn't been mentioned yet.

[YALE70]

Nvidia keeps telling us they hate us (gamers and youtubers) and don't want to deal with us and how we're such a drag on their bottom line, so don't buy from them and you can make everyone happy.

I'm at the point where I'd feel better if Nvidia just pulled out of the "gamer GPU" market entirely - or at least just dropped all pretenses of them actually caring. Preferable to them continuing to rip people off and smile when "AI" is their actual money-maker.

4090 and 5090 have guaranteed long term 12vhpwr burnout. Why are people still buying?

I'm riding this 3090 KINGPIN until it turns into a paperweight for that reason. The design of that connector (especially the lack of proper overcurrent protection) is so baffling that I'll never buy a card with one for fear of it self-immolating. Next card is probably going to be AMD, or Intel if they ever make a comparable GPU. I'm guessing - since buying new has been such a crapshoot for the past several years - it's going to be a 7900XTX, and hopefully I can still get an AiO or waterblock for it whenever the hell that happens.

Also, whales are dumb and don't care about hardware news.

[tp4tissue]

Extremely frustrated with JDM.

So, there are 2 control schemes, 1 arcade, 1 simcade.

But both are counter intuitive because it "holds" the drift for you to some extent, this causes problems because where you want to transition out of the curve is very awkward, it's essentially sticky to the direction of the existing drift line. So the normal reflexes you'd have for shifting the weight of the car doesn't behave the same, and it feels like you have to dump in an extremely early maneuver which "feels" very wrong because you're losing so much speed/momentum to change direction, and the setup for the next line makes no sense.

Cornering speed isn't the point of this game, so yea, we get it, but hrrrm... it hurts your brain to play around this.

[Leslieann]

I'm at the point where I'd feel better if Nvidia just pulled out of the "gamer GPU" market entirely

They can't, that's the funny part, they need us more than they let on and they know it.

We're a good way to dump binned GPUs that failed to make top spec but even more important is Nvidia knows every new tech like A.I. goes through booms and busts. Crypto came and went (Bitcoin), then came and went again (Etherium) A.I. will come and go once the hype comes crashing down. There could also be a surge in specially made A.I. ARM systems just like for Bitcoin that wipes out GPU based A.I. rendering, which I fully expect within 4 or 5 years. Once it does those cards will be worth pennies on the dollar for what corporations paid for them.

[tp4tissue]

Even if the data center money dries up, it has made more than 10x what the g4m3r money made. I really don't think Nvidia cares much at all anymore.

As for the AI bubble. Hard to predict. 

-If AGI is achieved, then nothing matters for humanity, humanity will be irrelevant.  Everything that exists in AGI's periphery are just atoms it can use for "whatever" the AGI decides to do.

-If AGI is not achieved, then we've just blown our carbon budget way sooner, and pretty much stuck with the "famine and feudalism" part next.


Eitherway, Enjoy your AMD GPUs, because life will "probably" never get better than this.  This is the Last-mile. We've pretty much don' killed the planet at this point.  You can stop yourself, but you can't stop the stupid habits and energy wasting momentum of the rest of mankind. 


For example, VeggieP4 can eat 2000 calories of Potato. If MeatloverPizzaGuy eats 2000 calories of "Beef" that's about 10-25x feed conversion, so it's the same 2000 calories, but it cost the Planet 50,000 in feed-stock. Chicken about 2-5x, pork is 6-8x.

PizzaGuy is eating 25x what P4 eats.   Scale that across "the 1st world countries" + the "Aspiring meaty 3rd worlds".

And the only thing you get out of MEAT is heart disease, cancer, + diabetes.

[Leslieann]

Even if the data center money dries up, it has made more than 10x what the g4m3r money made. I really don't think Nvidia cares much at all anymore.

Kind of hard to run a company with zero income (if A.I. dries up).
They care, we're just the backup.

As for the AI bubble. Hard to predict. 

No it's not.
Every tech has a bell curve to it with hype at the top, and for Nvidia it's even worse because every company is looking at alternatives to over priced GPU's. It's not just the card price, it's housing, powering and cooling them, same as Bitcoin was. Once they get a dedicated ARM system (or similar) that works for it, they will drop Nvidia like a rock.

-If AGI is achieved, then nothing matters for humanity, humanity will be irrelevant.  Everything that exists in AGI's periphery are just atoms it can use for "whatever" the AGI decides to do.

AGI is a VERY, VERY different monster, to the point that almost everything they've done with current A.I. is irrelevant.

You can't just make current A.I. better and reach AGI, you have a completely different path. Yes, the core tech (fuzzy logic) is finally unlocked but it's got a ton of issue preventing it from doing what they want such as lying, making things up and even scarier, refusing to shut down when told.

[YALE70]

Gamers are the backup, but steadily pissing away years of goodwill over the span of 2-3 hardware generations is a pretty baffling move no matter how you swing it. They're effectively running the same playbook that Intel did with CPUs, and look where that got them. Like, even if Nvidia's intent is to sell products with stagnant gen-to-gen uplift among other questionable design decisions, the least they could've done is price them fairly and not let the drivers go to hell - especially if it's not even your primary moneymaker at the moment. The sheer amount of greed is just laughable.

I think the only reason why Nvidia would even come out of an AI bubble burst with a largely intact consumer base is that people are generally still starving for consumer GPU options, and they know it. Ultimately, they're going to get away with this minimally scarred, so long as Intel and AMD maintain a distant second and third in the market.

[tp4tissue]

Your thoughts on "Speed Holes?"

[Sniping]

Your thoughts on "Speed Holes?"

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I haven't tried but I feel that most should be neutral on it. probably saves a bit of weight yet might not be a noticeable amount to most, slightly harder to keep clean, maybe slightly more uncomfortable than a smooth shell, can look cool? the lamzu atlantis I had had lots of cutouts on the underside, but none on the top shell. that's a good way to save some weight while avoiding some of those drawbacks.

[tp4tissue]

Feels like these companies are straight up lying to people.

And, perhaps people are just that dumb (kidz), or have become so desperate to buy a "Luxury" they can afford, even if it's merely a cheap ad campaign for a commodity.


Most of these makers use stock firmware with almost no tuning whatsoever.

Even with tuning, the drift that happens on typical cloth pads is upwards of 30%  vs 8-15% on sensor matched optical glass.


If the drift is that high, you're not getting what you pay for.  Glass pads are pretty hard to use and impractical.

[noisyturtle]

meanwhile, my PC will be turning 14 this year

It certinally feels like the bumps in power each generation of hardware has increasingly diminishing returns. I remember when the difference between the 700 and 900 series actually meant something, and was reflected in the software publishers were putting out.

[Leslieann]

Your thoughts on "Speed Holes?"

You aren't saving any weight when your mouse reaches that point, not to mention longevity (and grossness).

Personally, dumbest trend in a while, you aren't going to feel a 1-2% difference in mouse weight.

Feels like these companies are straight up lying to people.
Most of these makers use stock firmware with almost no tuning whatsoever.

Complain about Logitech pricing, but the mice work, can't say the same for others. The Rapoo was pretty good, but the tracking and connection was not as good as my old and tired G900.

[tp4tissue]

Complain about Logitech pricing, but the mice work, can't say the same for others. The Rapoo was pretty good, but the tracking and connection was not as good as my old and tired G900.

Did you turn off angle snapping in windows mouse setting?  Logitech software does it for its mouse by default, but other mice you have to do it manually.

I've had great connection because my transmitter wire goes right under the wooden table top where the mouse is.

In CNC validated testing, the 3950 sensor greatly outperform the latest hero sensors.

Largest straight line deviation
Average straight line deviation
Largest Circular deviation
Average Circular deviation.

-3950, + latest 54L nordic chip,  This is the latest Tier 1 release (rapoo vt3 max, they dropped the pro from the name)
-3950, + realtek (the rapoo we got, vt3 pro-max)
-3398 (3395), high tune, + latest 54L nordic chip, (vt1 max) This is the latest tier 2 release.
-Logitech Hero 2 sensor.

Don't know where to buy the latest vt3 max yet, on the new 54L chipset, it's got 109hr battery at 8000hz vs 63hr on the Rapoo vt3promax we got right now.

Ad material says 500hr 1000hz performance on the 54L, not sure if Believe, but the 8000hz 109 is verified, so maybe yes.

Video link__ cnc testing.


https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1JFLmzXEpi/?spm_id_from=333.1387.upload.video_card.click

[fohat.digs]

Glass pads are pretty hard to use and impractical.

What ?

I have been using my Steelseries glass pad for over 20 years and it still looks and feels like new. I wash it in the kitchen sink with warm soapy water about once a month.